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oppp7

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GIGABYTE+ AMD  very disappointing
With support for RAID 0 with SSD
http://mushkin.com/Digital-Storage/SSDs/MKNSSDCL60GB.aspx


See how the new board with SB850 barely able to give 200 MB with RAID 0 2XSSD
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3420#ov
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/331/1520101145.png
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/677/39558770.png




Look RAID 0 with 2 disks simple mechanical
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=299

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/4146/hdtunebenchmarkamd20str.png



Look at tests on Intel boards with RAID 0 + SSD
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=258891
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/printthread.php?t=258891&pp=25


Are the board has a problem?
Does the board amd RAID 0 speed limits?
How can I improve speed?
How Intel's board gives good  results

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Re: GIGABYTE+ AMD very disappointing With support for RAID 0 with SSD
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2010, 01:25:54 pm »
Hi oppo7,

I don't have your motherboard or the SSD's that you are using so I can't give you a reason or a solution to this problem.

I know from my own experience that the stated speeds obtainable from RAID0 on the SATA3 interface are not what I expected to see and have been bitterly disappointed by this. As my board uses the Marvell 9128 Chip for SATA3 I can't give a direct comparison but I know that Gigabyte advised not to set up a RAID array using SATA3 SSD's on this particular chip. They didn't give a reason, only that it wasn't recommended. (if you go to page 6 of this thread http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,2336.90.html you will find what I'm talking about.)

Because your own PC set-up is probably not very common among other members of the forum you might struggle to get a good response with this query and I would advise you to raise your question with Gigabyte Technical support here: http://ggts.gigabyte.com.tw/tech.asp?ClassID=2&Country=Israel&SourceWeb=B2C as they will have the necessary resources to duplicate your situation and to offer the best solution for you.
Remember, when all else fails a cup of tea and a good swear will often help! It won't solve the problem but it will make you feel better.

oppp7

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Re: GIGABYTE+ AMD very disappointing With support for RAID 0 with SSD
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2010, 01:48:55 pm »
thank you very much
on  the  serious  written

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Re: GIGABYTE+ AMD very disappointing With support for RAID 0 with SSD
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2010, 02:52:57 pm »
You are using the blue SATA ports?

Does AMD have a write-back cache option you can enable?
« Last Edit: October 15, 2010, 02:58:22 pm by Peteruk »

oppp7

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Re: GIGABYTE+ AMD very disappointing With support for RAID 0 with SSD
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2010, 03:22:24 pm »
YES  I AM

SATA  0 AND 1

AND I TRY  SATA  4 AND 5

WITH  WIN  7 64 BIT

« Last Edit: October 15, 2010, 03:23:21 pm by oppp7 »

Peteruk

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Re: GIGABYTE+ AMD very disappointing With support for RAID 0 with SSD
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2010, 07:00:43 pm »
After looking at this I think AMD don't do good RAID...
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/ich10r-sb750-780a,review-31653-13.html

So much for AMD's SATA 3 support...

You can try changing/checking some settings like NCQ, write cache...in AMD RAIDXpert by http://127.0.0.1:25902/amd if you installed the software... never used AMD RAID so I think thats what you have to do.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2010, 07:03:30 pm by Peteruk »

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Re: GIGABYTE+ AMD very disappointing With support for RAID 0 with SSD
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2010, 07:52:54 pm »
HD Tune Pro and/or AS SSD may not be a good benchmark test for that Mushkin Calisto drive.

 HD Tune Pro 4.60 released.
Changes:
Improved support for SSD
Health
added support for more SSDs

Mushkin recommends ATTO Disk Benchmark.
http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/1749/ATTO%20Disk%20Benchmark%20v2.46.html
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Re: GIGABYTE+ AMD very disappointing With support for RAID 0 with SSD
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2010, 07:53:53 pm »
When I installed WIN 7 64
He did not ask me to install  BOOTDRV


AMD SATA RAID Driver (Preinstall driver, press F6 during Windows * setup to read from floppy)

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3420#dl

 Sata raid driver
Not installed
 IN Device Manager
How do I install  THAT

oppp7

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Re: GIGABYTE+ AMD very disappointing With support for RAID 0 with SSD
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2010, 07:55:11 pm »
HD Tune Pro and/or AS SSD may not be a good benchmark test for that Mushkin Calisto drive.

 HD Tune Pro 4.60 released.
Changes:
Improved support for SSD
Health
added support for more SSDs

Mushkin recommends ATTO Disk Benchmark.
http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/1749/ATTO%20Disk%20Benchmark%20v2.46.html

no i try  3 software
What THIS  A  joke
« Last Edit: October 15, 2010, 09:58:19 pm by oppp7 »

Re: GIGABYTE+ AMD very disappointing With support for RAID 0 with SSD
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2010, 03:51:09 am »
Give this a read. http://www.anandtech.com/show/2973/6gbps-sata-performance-amd-890gx-vs-intel-x58-p55
You may need a updated bios as it looks like AMD's in house boards perform much better than most retail boards do.
Also are you using AMD’s latest SB850 AHCI drivers? I doubt you will get the speeds you expect but you may get more out of it. Also keep in mind Intel has always had the best storage controllers and they have had years to tweak and tune their SATA 2 controllers.AMD just came out with their first SATA 3 controller. Bios and driver updates will surely improve performance but it may take a revision of the southbridge to get full speed out of it.
Have you tried staggering the drives on the SATA ports, 0 and 3 or 1 and 4. It could make a difference. I'm sure I read somewhere it does on the Intel controllers. I could be wrong though.

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Re: GIGABYTE+ AMD very disappointing With support for RAID 0 with SSD
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2010, 08:03:45 am »
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You may need a updated bios
i have  the last bios
so what to updated  ?

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Also are you using AMD’s latest SB850 AHCI drivers?
the  board  sb 850 not ask  to install   "BOOTDRV"
IN installation  WIN 7 64
BUT I UP DATE THE   RAID
GIGABYTE SATA2 Preinstall driver (For AHCI / RAID Mode)
FROM THE GIGABYT  WEB
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3420#dl
after  installation  WIN 7 64
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/792/13294641.png

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Bios and driver updates will surely improve performance
Did not help anything

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but it may take a revision of the southbridge to get full speed out of it.
what  revision  ?
this board is in the Market 6 months  !
When it works  ?

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Have you tried staggering the drives on the SATA ports, 0 and 3 or 1 and 4.
i try  sata 0 and 1
sata 4 and 5
Thesem results

 
« Last Edit: October 16, 2010, 08:45:06 am by oppp7 »

Re: GIGABYTE+ AMD very disappointing With support for RAID 0 with SSD
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2010, 05:52:17 pm »
Can we get a complete list of the components used in your system. Please confirm you are using the AMD SATA ports.  The SB850 drivers are installed or updated with each new Catalyst driver. If you are using an AMD/ATI video card you are already installing these drivers. Things get a little confusing if you are using a Nvidia video card because it looks like the SB850 drivers are not down loadable separately. I would guess the Catalyst driver would allow the installation of the SB850 drivers even if you are using a Nvidia card but I have never tested this. Hopefully a AMD guy will either confirm or deny this. By reading over your posts it sounds like you do not have a driver installed fo the AMD SATA RAID controller. In the link you posted for your motherboard did you install this driver? "AMD Chipset Driver (include chipset \ sata raid driver)"? You will never see the full potential of the SB850 with out the drivers installed. What strip size are you using as it can make or break RAID 0 performance?

Gigabyte may need to release a updated bios to improve SB850 performance. They may have already does this and you may already have it but I can't say for sure as no bios claims improved performance. There is a beta bios "FEB" that has updates for a new  RAID ROM. It also looks like the FD bios adds support for a new revision of the SB850 southbridge. What bios did your board ship with? If it was older then FD you may have a older revision of the south bridge which could possibly hurt drive performance.

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Re: GIGABYTE+ AMD very disappointing With support for RAID 0 with SSD
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2010, 05:57:03 pm »
the  board  sb 850 not ask  to install   "BOOTDRV"
IN installation  WIN 7 64
BUT I UP DATE THE   RAID
GIGABYTE SATA2 Preinstall driver (For AHCI / RAID Mode)
FROM THE GIGABYT  WEB
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3420#dl
This driver is not for the AMD SATA ports.

Re: GIGABYTE+ AMD very disappointing With support for RAID 0 with SSD
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2010, 06:30:53 pm »
the  board  sb 850 not ask  to install   "BOOTDRV"
IN installation  WIN 7 64
BUT I UP DATE THE   RAID
GIGABYTE SATA2 Preinstall driver (For AHCI / RAID Mode)
FROM THE GIGABYT  WEB
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3420#dl
This driver is not for the AMD SATA ports.

I agree if he is using the SB850 the GB driver does nothing. I find it near impossible to follow what opp7 is saying. Its partly the language barrier but the general lack of info makes it really tough. Add the wacky way AMD packages their drivers and the poor way they distribute them makes it a freaking nightmare. Gigabyte does not help the matter much as they lack complete info as well as all mother board manufactures seem to do.

Bill
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Re: GIGABYTE+ AMD very disappointing With support for RAID 0 with SSD
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2010, 08:24:22 pm »
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Can we get a complete list of the components used in your system. Please confirm you are using the AMD SATA ports.  The SB850 drivers are installed or updated with each new Catalyst driver. If you are using an AMD/ATI video card you are already installing these drivers.

Motherboard + drivers there are on site +7 64  WIN
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3420#ov

I USE  AMD SATA ports  SATA 0 AND 1     4 AND 5


Catalyst driver  10.9 +South Bridge Driver  +Raid Driver for Windows 7  FROM THIS WEB
http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloads/Pages/integrated-win7-64.aspx
HD 4290 
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(include chipset \ sata raid driver
Version  1.17.55.0  GIGABYTE SATA2 Preinstall driver (For AHCI / RAID Mode)
I installed after installing  WIN 7 64


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There is a beta bios "FEB" that has updates for a new  RAID ROM

Where  ? I have the latest BIOS
FROM THE WEB GIGABYTE



« Last Edit: October 16, 2010, 08:32:37 pm by oppp7 »