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Title: Help with new build, won't boot (again) GA-870A-UD3
Post by: evilferret on December 20, 2010, 11:00:37 am
Put all the parts together, booted up fine. Installed Win 7 was fine. Installed motherboard drivers and was fine. Ran prime for another an hr. I forgot to check temps but checking the motherboard during first boot CPU was reading 25 degree's C. The i7 with the Zalman was running around 35 degrees C.
 
Plugged in ethernet cable and system went down.

Tried starting it back up and motherboard doesn't seem to get power. CPU fan doesn't blow.

Put in motherboard speaker and nothing. Tried another PSU and nothing.

I'm hoping I don't have to RMA so any other suggestions will be great. I also tested the motherboard with a GT430 and no go either. Swapped RAM around and even tried running off one.

I'm going to try to reseat the CPU and reinstall the 212+ again but I'm at my wits end.

I breadboxed the system and can get into bios. The first PCI-E slot seems to kill the motherboard. So far no problems on the 2nd PCI-E slot.

Tested with two video cards GTS 430 and ATi 6870.

Does this mean the mobo is bad?

Specs below

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277

GIGABYTE GA-870A-UD3 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128443

Sony Optiarc CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model AD-7260S-0B - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118039

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065

Enzotech MST-88 C1100 Forged Copper Heatsink
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835708016

XFX HD-687A-ZNFC Radeon HD 6870
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150506

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Advanced
Title: Re: Help with new build, won't boot (again) GA-870A-UD3
Post by: Dark Mantis on December 20, 2010, 11:46:18 am
Hi and welcome to the Gigabyte Forum.

So what is the state of play at the moment?

Are the parts still outside of the case and on a non-conducting surface?
Title: Re: Help with new build, won't boot (again) GA-870A-UD3
Post by: evilferret on December 20, 2010, 12:00:39 pm
Currently on the cardboard box.

I can get it to bios on the 2nd pci-e but as soon as I try any other card on the 1st it just hangs.
Title: Re: Help with new build, won't boot (again) GA-870A-UD3
Post by: Dark Mantis on December 20, 2010, 12:07:10 pm
Exactly what is connected at the moment?

Have you fully run Memtest86+ ?

In the BIOS what have you got listed as the primary graphics slot?
Title: Re: Help with new build, won't boot (again) GA-870A-UD3
Post by: evilferret on December 20, 2010, 12:15:21 pm
Motherboard, CPU, HSF, RAM, GTS 430  

running it off my backup PSU (didn't want to unattach it from my case yet)

Thats it, currently running memtest with video card in pci-e slot 2.

Can not get to bios with any of my cards on slot 1.

I'm going to get another PSU tomorrow just in case.

I hate when theres hiccups in new builds.

EDIT: Original PSU is dead, tested it on backup system. Still weird why I can only get to bios from slot 1.

Original PSU Cosair TX 650, backup PSU random Cooler Master 500w.

Thanks for the speedy responses, I really needed a sounding board.
Title: Re: Help with new build, won't boot (again) GA-870A-UD3
Post by: Dark Mantis on December 20, 2010, 12:38:54 pm
Quite understand the feeling as you start going round in circles after a while.

Main problem is did the PSU take out something else when it went?

The Corsair TX650 should have been plenty big enough for what you have mentioned unless there is a lot of mother devices in hte build that you have not said about.

Have you got all your memory in or just one stick?

Is it in slot 1, the first white slot?
Title: Re: Help with new build, won't boot (again) GA-870A-UD3
Post by: evilferret on December 20, 2010, 01:10:31 pm
I got both ram to boot so running memtest on both.

I'm using the 2nd blue pci-E slot from the top down.

Aside a DVD burner and the HD nothing else on the system. I'm passing out and testing tomorrow with a friend's PSU.

Title: Re: Help with new build, won't boot (again) GA-870A-UD3
Post by: Dark Mantis on December 20, 2010, 01:27:20 pm
Well keep in touch and let us know how it goes. ;)
Title: Re: Help with new build, won't boot (again) GA-870A-UD3
Post by: evilferret on December 20, 2010, 07:15:46 pm
Woke up and system seems fine.

PCI-E 1 still having issues, hopefully picking up a new PSU tonight to test that before I RMA the motherboard.
Title: Re: Help with new build, won't boot (again) GA-870A-UD3
Post by: Dark Mantis on December 20, 2010, 08:46:04 pm
You didn't say what BIOS you are running at the moment but if it is not the latest one it would be an idea to update it.
If you are unsure of the procedure just post again. Make sure that you use QFlash not @bIOS and disable the Keep DMI Data on the QFlash homepage.
Title: Re: Help with new build, won't boot (again) GA-870A-UD3
Post by: evilferret on December 20, 2010, 09:29:42 pm
When I get home and the PSU I'll try updating the bios.

Thanks, updating the bios totally slipped my mind. Figured didn't need to check bios since I got the system running.

Title: Re: Help with new build, won't boot (again) GA-870A-UD3
Post by: Dark Mantis on December 20, 2010, 09:33:32 pm
No it only just occurred to me that it was something we hadn't tried.
Title: Re: Help with new build, won't boot (again) GA-870A-UD3
Post by: evilferret on December 21, 2010, 03:45:43 am
Put in different PSU.

I can boot into bios with pci-e slot one now.

Now I get a CPUID something Patch ID during post. *edit* found out this is normal, I think?

I got back into windows and one of my Raid drivers can't seem to initialize.

Going to do bios as soon as I find the gigabyte instructions (and finding a extra usb).
Title: Re: Help with new build, won't boot (again) GA-870A-UD3
Post by: evilferret on December 21, 2010, 06:26:47 am
After getting new PSU was getting hangups with RAM. Put ram in a different system and it works.

Updated to the newest beta F5a and hangups with RAM disappeared and Sata5 was enabled again.

After bios update though things seem fine. Passed 1 hr of memtest, going to do it overnight.

Guess the lesson is 90% of the time the problem is the PSU. Though the bios issue freaked me out. Anychance the bios reverted during a short? I redid my IO shield since thats the only other thing I can think of.

Well will stress test till it dies or I know its a good system.

Thanks for all the help.
Title: Re: Help with new build, won't boot (again) GA-870A-UD3
Post by: evilferret on December 21, 2010, 08:07:23 am
I have one last q, does anybody know what tmpin2 is reading?

I'm getting 80 degrees C for it and I'm 99% sure that can't be right.

Searching says it might be a stuck/missing sesnor, but can anybody give me a definite answer?

Also anybody know the size of the northbridge heatsink? I'm going to just order one and put it on if the system stays up. Peace of mind is worth the extra hassle.
Title: Re: Help with new build, won't boot (again) GA-870A-UD3
Post by: Dark Mantis on December 21, 2010, 05:28:41 pm
So it was the PSU then.

The message on boot up is normal it is just you don't normally notice it especiallly if the splash screen ids enabled.

I don't think you shorted it out or anything personally.

tmpin2 I am not sure about because they seen to swap them around on different boards but I do know that one is not usually used.
Title: Re: Help with new build, won't boot (again) GA-870A-UD3
Post by: evilferret on December 23, 2010, 04:53:40 pm
I'm worried about the MOBO being bad.

Stress testing and its hit or miss.

I stress tested overnight two days and no problems. Tried one more time yesterday and my TMPIN2 went over 125 C recorded in CPUID and my computer had an error message something about not enough memory. Not sure if they are related since I left it over night. Computer didn't crash but everything was running extremely slowly.

Ran memtest and the ram seems fine but scared yet again.

Going to try try to reseat the NB heatsink or find an aftermarket one.

Also anybody notice NB temps rise as network usage increases?
Title: Re: Help with new build, won't boot (again) GA-870A-UD3
Post by: Dark Mantis on December 23, 2010, 05:01:19 pm
The thing is nearly everything runs through the Northbridge so it is bound to get hotter with more or less any use. They do run a bit hot on some models though and I always recommend adding a small extra fan to blow directly onto the Northbridge. It can make all the difference.
Title: Re: Help with new build, won't boot (again) GA-870A-UD3
Post by: evilferret on December 23, 2010, 07:29:23 pm
prime95 doesn't seem to bomb the system but heavy network usage drives my tmpin2 upwards to 125 C.

Reseated stock NB and added some MX-2. TMPIN2 still now starts at 79 and stays around 80 but network usage doesn't raise temps as high as before.

Blah might just buy a NB heatsink, forum searching tells me my tmpin2 is probably stuck. It does go higher if the temps exceeds the stuck of 80. At 125 I can't touch the NB.

Is this normal? I can't tell, different forums say different things. One guy said my tmpin02 is reading something else and isn't even connected to the NB.
Title: Re: Help with new build, won't boot (again) GA-870A-UD3
Post by: evilferret on December 24, 2010, 06:47:43 pm
System seems stable overnight memtest + 1 day of prime95.

I would still feel better if I had the correct temp but I guess I'll have to live with it.

Ordered a new NB aftermarket cooler, hopefully it'll fit with the 6870 + the Hyper 212+ CPU cooler I have.

I wish I could buy the upgraded Gigabyte coolers for the NB.

Stupid NB and stupid PSU. These two gave me errors up the wazoo. Mem errors due to the NB and boot issues due to PSU.

Thanks all for the help.
Title: Re: Help with new build, won't boot (again) GA-870A-UD3
Post by: evilferret on December 24, 2010, 10:16:25 pm
Hahaha system became unstable as soon as I closed the case.

My current airflow setup seems to bypass the NB HS completely.

Should have used the stock HSF.

Ah must find a good NB cooler.