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Motherboards with Intel processors / Re: Z590 D and high-speed NVMe SSD
« Last post by fonon on August 19, 2023, 06:40:12 am »
Specification:
Full PCIe 4.0 Design
1*PCIe 4.0 x16 slot
1*PCIe 4.0 x4 M.2
So only one slot except M.2 supports PCIe 4. The question is - does it really work? Has anyone tried?
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Motherboards with Intel processors / Help with GA-X58A-UD3R motherboard
« Last post by amron on August 17, 2023, 12:10:43 pm »
Hi, will appreciate your help. I have a GA-X58A-UD3R mother board. of course I've downloaded it's manual and as far as I can see, in the manual shown two USB headers while on my board there are three USB headers, one red and the other two light blue (pic attached). could you please shed some light for me explaining what is the difference between them?
if it's a newer version of the board, I wonder why Gigabyte doesn't publish an updated manual.
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Motherboards with Intel processors / Re: Z590 D and high-speed NVMe SSD
« Last post by shadowsports on August 14, 2023, 04:50:26 am »
Thank you for the extensive explanations. To sum up - a fast disk should work in the upper M2 slot at full speed. And what does the practice look like? The second thing - will the drive connected via the PCIe card not be limited by the architecture of the motherboard? Which PCIe slot should you choose?

Greetings,
I would expect PCIe 4.0 x4, x2 in the upper slot with a 11th gen CPU and compatible disk.

I'm not sure what you mean by "what does the practice look like"?

Second question regarding an expansion card.  Disk needs to be compatible with chipset on expansion card to achieve maximum speeds.  Chipset on card needs to be compatible with Z590 chipset for best performance. 

Which slot?  You can use either x4 slot for an expansion card.  PCIEX4_1, PCIEX4_2).  These slots operate at PCIe 3.0 spec x4 or x2. 
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Motherboards with Intel processors / Re: Z590 D and high-speed NVMe SSD
« Last post by fonon on August 13, 2023, 08:26:18 pm »
Thank you for the extensive explanations. To sum up - a fast disk should work in the upper M2 slot at full speed. And what does the practice look like? The second thing - will the drive connected via the PCIe card not be limited by the architecture of the motherboard? Which PCIe slot should you choose?
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Motherboards with Intel processors / Re: Z590 D & Radeon RX550 - no bios entry
« Last post by dmdilks on August 13, 2023, 05:27:06 pm »
Before the new 1200 CPU socket. You could put almost any card you want onto a board and it would boot. Yes the RX-500 series is kinda UEFI, but not true UEFI. Because if it was a true UEFI card you wouldn't be having a problem.

I have build a few 10th, 11th, 12th, & 13th gen computers. On the 10th gen is the first time I ran into a problem booting from a RX-580 8gb card. I did have a true UEFI card and it booted fine. That is then I did some research and found that when I change the CSM to enabled then it booted fine.

Your computer will still boot UEFI, but now it boots with none UEFI components. That when you enabled CSM.
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Motherboards with Intel processors / Re: Z590 D & Radeon RX550 - no bios entry
« Last post by shadowsports on August 13, 2023, 04:49:23 pm »
Why do you say the RX550 is not UEFI compatible?

Greetings,
I don't know if it is or isn't.  Older cards are sometimes non compliant and require CSM for boot.  Some older cards also had BIOS updates that improved compatibility or performance.

Its still not clear why your system is beeping 4 times at boot.   

I don't follow AMD cards any longer.  I started using nVidia based cards and today (EVGA) exclusively about 15 years.  AMD cards are great, but there were almost always some kind of driver issue, etc and I got tired of both AMD CPU's and ATi now (AMD) based video cards.

I chased the whole performance, AMD overclocking thing, priding myself on saving money and having a overclocked system with a slower CPU that performed as well or better in some cases than an higher rated intel based system.  As time passed, I stopped having the time on weekends to search and test for the right memory settings, FSB, multiplier, etc so my system would run fast, but more importantly stable.  Today, stability is the most important thing for me.  For people that have the time, AMD based systems are great.  Ryzen is a good platform.  I just prefer intel, the same way i prefer windows over MAC. 
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Motherboards with Intel processors / Re: Z590 D and high-speed NVMe SSD
« Last post by shadowsports on August 13, 2023, 04:43:47 pm »
Greetings,
You will need to look closely at how the manufacturer implemented support.  They are many factors that can affect disk performance.   Chipset type, CPU type and number of PCIe lanes, etc are examples of what might affect bus speeds of interfaces on a system.

This is why you'll see performance tables in a motherboard's user guide.  Support and performance can be determined by the type of CPU, and the number and types of disks being used.  Priority is often given to PCIe slots for GPU's, but today one good card can often perform at x16 nearly as well as 2 in SLI at x8.  I usually base the configuration on what the system will be used for primarily.

Gaming and highest frame rates.  Photo editing and video production, etc.  2D/3D modeling.  I do a lot of photo and video on my systems.  I have a few MACs too, but don't really care for them. 

If you read the fine print in your user guide, you can see the difference performance levels and how resources are allocated if using a 10th vs. 11th gen CPU.

Here is an example:



Note:

The M2_CPU (upper) slot supports PCIe 4.0 spec and x4, x2
The M2A_SB (lower) supports PCIe 3.0 Spec and x4, x2

Now see the fine print:
(Note) Supported by 11th Generation processors only.

So, the top slot will not support PCIe 4.0 spec unless you are using an 11th gen CPU.  Its also noted in the Slot naming convention used.  Clearly the M2_CPU is interfacing the "CPU" directly, whereas the M2A_SB is interfacing the bus through the integrated "SB" south bridge of the Z590. 

Be careful choosing PCIe expansion cards for adding additional M.2 drives.  Even if the card is x4 and you insert it into a x4 slot, resource availability or chipset compatibility might not allow it to run at full speed, and it might cut the speeds of an adjacent slot in half.  This is because the slots can share resources.   

Hope this helps  :)
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Motherboards with Intel processors / Re: Z590 D & Radeon RX550 - no bios entry
« Last post by fonon on August 13, 2023, 08:20:13 am »
Why do you say the RX550 is not UEFI compatible?
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Motherboards with Intel processors / Re: Z590 D and high-speed NVMe SSD
« Last post by fonon on August 13, 2023, 08:09:34 am »
that board only supports 3.0 M.2 drives. Yes you can run a 4.0 but you only get 3.0 speeds.
Grom Gigabyte Z590 D specification:
 "2* M.2 Connectors
1*PCIe 4.0 x4 M.2
1*PCIe 3.0 x4 M.2"
This data is not real?

And what's about extension cards with connections for M.2 drives?
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