AMD Phenom II X4 960T Black Edition o/c

[agros]

I have given you the answer already with references, use the k10stat program.  

I'm sure you could unearth more/better refs with Google.

But we already discussed about that.
You said that your capability is to have a scale from 1.12 to 1.27... This is not what we want, 1.27V means that you downgrade your cpu.

I have checked google but no results.
Most of the people have not yet known about 960T.

[Krisbee]

You said that your capability is to have a scale from 1.12 to 1.27... This is not what we want, 1.27V means that you downgrade your cpu.

Can you please explain in what way you think I have downgraded my CPU by running it at 3.4GHz with a voltage of 1.275V instead of 1.475V.

Near the very beginning of this thread you said:

Yes, I m also more interested in undervolting for lower power consumption, but so far I was much disappointed.
The default core voltage(turbo boost disabled) is 1,35V. Never drops down 1,35. Even with c&q enabled. Thats bad. My previous 720 dropped down to 1.1V, my Sempron 140 drops down to 1,0V... Why 960T can't drop down?

And after everything I have written you are still asking this question:

If c&q is unable to work as it works on 720 then we need another application which can auto lower voltage to at least 1.0V when idle.
I unquired(asked) already here and also in a couple of other forums, but no any answer.

So let's be absolutely clear, do you still wish to operate your CPU so it idles at 800MHz with a low voltage or not?

As far as I am aware, I am only the only person on this forum, or any other forum you may have visited, who has bothered to explain why the 960T behaves as it does.  I have also suggested ways to deal with this, and the most flexilbe option is to use the k10stat program which will enable you to run your 960T CPU at lower voltages than the default settings.

As to google, a search on k10stat returns 132,000 results, it' also  easy to find others who think CnQ doesn't work with a 960T using  a google search. E.g:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1184943/cool-n-quiet-on-960t

You are in abetter position than some, you've been given the answer, whether you choose to act on it is up to you.  I really have no more to say on this issue.

[agros]

Can you please explain in what way you think I have downgraded my CPU by running it at 3.4GHz with a voltage of 1.275V instead of 1.475V.

The amount of frequency is matter of o/c. If I o/c then I ll raise to 3.7-4.0GHz. Lets focus to the voltage.
Btw, I/you can o/c 960T easily to 3.4GHz with default voltage and turbo boost disabled

So let's be absolutely clear, do you still wish to operate your CPU so it idles at 800MHz with a low voltage or not?

As far as I am aware, I am only the only person on this forum, or any other forum you may have visited, who has bothered to explain why the 960T behaves as it does.  I have also suggested ways to deal with this, and the most flexilbe option is to use the k10stat program which will enable you to run your 960T CPU at lower voltages than the default settings.

Ok ok, I ll try this k10stat, can u give a download link?
I dont think u explained me why 960T behaves as it does because in the other thread seems u have same queries with me. You know not more things than I do. The "ways u suggested me" are not important. You miss the point, plus that u avoided answer in many questions I did to u.
If k10stat wont give 1.4-1.5V in full cpu load then I guess it wont be useful. But I ll check that with bench.

As to google, a search on k10stat returns 132,000 results, it' also  easy to find others who think CnQ doesn't work with a 960T using  a google search

We talked about k10stat several times, I meant other programs.
Its obvious that c&q wont work on 960T the way it works on 720.

[agros]

And for o/cing 17x225 should be better than 19x200 as a higher htt allows a higher memory bandwidth..

I enter bios to set it but if I change frequency (from default 200) and then choose manual vcore, theres a blinking msg "system voltage not optimized"... What this suppose to mean?

[DarkstaR]

And for o/cing 17x225 should be better than 19x200 as a higher htt allows a higher memory bandwidth..

I enter bios to set it but if I change frequency (from default 200) and then choose manual vcore, theres a blinking msg "system voltage not optimized"... What this suppose to mean?

It means that Gigabyte warns the end user that raising cpu & mainboard voltages is dangerous for hardware and doing that will desactivate the guarantee... I won't use k10stat software because i'm satisfied of my settings and i think that 1,26v (1,275v in bios) in idle and 1,36v (1,375v in bios) are very acceptable voltages for me 
Here are the screens of my three "states" of the settings i've made on my config' :
IDLE-->
CHARGE TBC NOT ACTIVE-->
CHARGE TBC ACTIVE-->

[agros]

It means that Gigabyte warns the end user that raising cpu & mainboard voltages is dangerous for hardware and doing that will desactivate the guarantee...

lol yes, this is the obvious meaning. My question is why there's this message while there isn't if you only change the multiplier.

I won't use k10stat software because i'm satisfied of my settings and i think that 1,26v (1,275v in bios) in idle and 1,36v (1,375v in bios) are very acceptable voltages for me  

But the point is the auto adjustment.

Those images say that u have TDP 160W...
What is your wei cpu score? Mine is 7.5 with 4 cores if 4GHz.

[DarkstaR]

It means that Gigabyte warns the end user that raising cpu & mainboard voltages is dangerous for hardware and doing that will desactivate the guarantee...

lol yes, this is the obvious meaning. My question is why there's this message while there isn't if you only change the multiplier.

I won't use k10stat software because i'm satisfied of my settings and i think that 1,26v (1,275v in bios) in idle and 1,36v (1,375v in bios) are very acceptable voltages for me  

But the point is the auto adjustment.

Those images say that u have TDP 160W...
What is your wei cpu score? Mine is 7.5 with 4 cores if 4GHz.
X4 960T is for the moment not entirely recognized by cpuid softwares...before unlocking my 960T cpu-z said that it had "107w of tdp" whereas in fact it only has 95w... jut let see hwmonitor it says that my X5 has 115.5w of tdp changing till 177w in charge whereas in fact X6 thuban cores have only 125w of tdp even the 1090T & 1100T
Here is my screen just see the wattage -->
Otherwise the cpu score is 7,4 on my WIN7-64 home premium with the unlocked 5th core @ 3,26Ghz @ 1,26v and when i let it on 4 cores @ 3,5ghz...
Before my X3 720 had 6,9 with 3 cores @ 15x230 @ 1,40v cool and quiet ON 1,075v

[agros]

Otherwise the cpu score is 7,4  on my WIN7-64 home premium with the unlocked 5th core @ 3,26Ghz @ 1,26v and  when i let it on 4 cores @ 3,5ghz...
Before my X3 720 had 6,9 with 3 cores @ 15x230 @ 1,40v cool and quiet ON 1,075v

So you have 7.4 with 5 cores @3.2GHz. I also have 7.4 in about that or more frequency but with 4 cores.
I had  6.9 in 720 too, with 3 cores in about same freq(3.4-3.6GHz). C&Q doesnt effect wei score, I quess.
Do u also get 7.5 if 4GHz?

Any pcmark05 score?

[DarkstaR]

I should reach 7,5 with 4ghz but now i don't want to check it as i don't want to mess in bios with my actual good settings 
Concerning pcmark05 it isn't set in my pc and...i don't want it except there's a portable version...
If you want benchmark results here are 2 screens of 3d mark vantage which is much better than your pcmark 05 in order to see what is able one pc: the 1st screen shows 960T 4 cores @ 4ghz and the other shows X5 @ 3,8ghz...let's compare 



Concerning your 960T could you tell us what is your stepping ? Mine is ccbbe cb 11 38 and you ?

[agros]

Before that Vantage,
theres something strange, I made 17x225 but gave 3.4GHz instead of 3.8...
And ram was 1499MHz instead of 1333.
Is this normal?

[DarkstaR]

Yes for the ram frequency it is normal: 225x6.66= 1498,5Mhz but for your cpu frequency: 17x225 should give you 3,82ghz... it's very odd  
You've forgotten to have give us your 960T batch/stepping...read my previous post i've given mine  

[agros]

So, with this way u also o/c the ram?

What is batch/stepping?
Anyway, heres a cpuZ image if I o/c to 4GHz(20x200, +1,25V)

[DarkstaR]

Good overclock !! Mine requires a superior voltage to reach this famous 20x200 (1,525v) and yes this way you also o/c the ram, otherwise the stepping/batch allows the user to check if his cpu has been manufactured in the good fab during a good period.... here is one example of a x2 555: what i mentionned in red concerns what i asked you...of course you should (as i made for my own cpu) have written this stepping on a piece of paper before the assemblage of your config'  

[agros]

What do u mean "good fab"?..."good period"?
You mean that there are good models and bad models
Too strange to be real. AMD admits that?

Mine requires a superior voltage to reach this famous 20x200 (1,525v)

You mean that u tried 1.475 but crahed?
Well, I  did. Some webpages+some music+online chess and... restart took place
I then made 19,5x200(3.9GHz) and seems to be stable.

[DarkstaR]

Yest it crashed at 1,475v but was stable at 1,525v  And yes it is known since first A64 based on socket 754 that batch/step allows users to know (with good inquiry of course) whether their cpus have been manufactured in a good fab (Global foundries have several sites of production indeed) and in a good period --> often last weeks of production in a year are the best as manufacture proceeds are better mastered by Amd/Globalfoundries...it's for this reason i've asked you to remove your scythe mugen in order to check this batch and tell us what it is about... take your time to do this 
And 19,5x200 it's good but don't forget that it won't lower its voltage and will remain at 1,475v...it's for this reason i've been obliged to make a compromise and lower my own voltage but nevertheless overclock the frequency a little bit in order to be above stock specifications