AMD Phenom II X4 960T Black Edition o/c

[japuaa]

Iam concentrated enought   seems our understanding of each other english language  is the major problem

u mean the highest voltage limit for CPU? AMD says its around 1,5V...


u wrote:
"....(I tried )your first numbers
P0 - 3,4 Ghz CPU 1,27V CPUNB 1,05V
P1 - 3 Ghz CPU 1,15V CPUNB 1,025V
P2 - 2,3 Ghz CPU 1,025V CPUNB 1V
P3 - 1,6Ghz CPU 0,88V CPUNB 0,975V
P4 - 0,8 Ghz CPU 0,7V CPUNB 0,975V

and after a couple of seconds a bsod came...."

so....  these are unstable, so u tried second values and....

"3,4Ghz - 1,3V - 1,15
3Ghz   - 1,2V - 1,15
2,3Ghz - 1,1V - 1,15
1,6Ghz - 1V - 1,15
0,8Ghz - 0,9V - 1,15

and yes!... Works. I m all the time at 0.9V  Grin"

from here it seems all of ur questions were aswered before... I cannot give u the best/highest/lowest/most stable clocks  setting for ur CPU at 1,3V for obvious reasons... u HAVE TO figure em out on ur own....

please be specific, what EXACTLY do u want?

[agros]

Although I explained u several times the point, for some reason seems u cannot get it.
Ok I ll tell it once more and I hope it will be the last.

U dont have to give the highest limit. This is specific. Standard. Defacto. It is 1.35V (1.47 if turbo boost). So we do not discuss about it. We must not discuss about it. It is out of the negotiation. Because if we dont have 1.35(1.47 if turbo boost) then we r undervolting our cpu and this is not what we want. We want get the full power when need.

Yes u gave me
3,4Ghz - 1,3V - 1,15
3Ghz   - 1,2V - 1,15
2,3Ghz - 1,1V - 1,15
1,6Ghz - 1V - 1,15
0,8Ghz - 0,9V - 1,15
and works, I have 0.9V most of the time. But  the scale is only 0.90-1.30, right? How can I have 0.90-1.35/1.47 ?

BTW ur from Greece, how does ur fanless cooling manages hot summer days?

Yes, lately summer came and I added another slipsteam 120'' fan 700rpm on Scythe Mugen II(theres also one in the exhaust position at 500rpm).
I guess I ll disable it when I ll start my room's air-condition
Its good that Gigabyte's mobos r able to control the rpm s, so they start fans in slow rythm.

[japuaa]

How can I have 0.90-1.35/1.47 ?

Easily... just set it in K10stat... but u dont have to, because, I am afraid u r misunderstanding... u have full power even at 1,3V, voltage does not affect CPUs raw compute power
CPU at 1,3V/3,4Ghz has the same compute power as CPU at 1,45V/3,4Ghz (or 1,2V/3,4Ghz etc. etc.) = voltage affects power efficiency, not compute power -> u do not need to raise voltage for stock clocks, and if u do, u only raise ur CPUs temperatures and power consumtion NOT the performace in games/aplications ;-) did u get it?
 

[agros]

I feel like I ll shoot myself with your posts...

I m not talking about raise voltage for stock clocks. I m talking about stock voltage for stock clocks.
3Ghz need 1.35V in 960T. You cannot have 3 Ghz with just 1.2V, I m sure you already know this.

[japuaa]

3Ghz need 1.35V in 960T. You cannot have 3 Ghz with just 1.2V, I m sure you already know this.

Nope I dont know.... I have been running my 960T already for 4 weeks at 3,4Ghz/1,225V - 3Ghz/1,125V -  0,8Ghz/0,725V. No problem at all   -> Stock voltage settings sux hard -> Forget `em!  

[agros]

If your cpu works up to only 1.22V then u dont use all of its power. Tell me your full scale. From xxx to yyy. Minimum must be as low as posibble. But maximum should be the default maximum. If your default maximum(which u ll get ONLY when need) is 1.35V then why u would reduce it???

[japuaa]

If your cpu works up to only 1.22V then u dont use all of its power. Tell me your full scale. From xxx to yyy. Minimum must be as low as posibble. But maximum should be the default maximum. If your default maximum(which u ll get ONLY when need) is 1.35V then why u would reduce it???

... u have full power even at 1,3V, voltage does not affect CPUs raw compute power
CPU at 1,3V/3,4Ghz has the same compute power as CPU at 1,45V/3,4Ghz (or 1,2V/3,4Ghz etc. etc.) = voltage affects power efficiency, not compute power -> u do not need to raise voltage for stock clocks, and if u do, u only raise ur CPUs temperatures and power consumtion NOT the performace in games/aplications ;-) did u get it?
 

my stable pstates (in use 2-4 hours/day)

b0 3,4Ghz/1,225V
p0 3Ghz/1,125V
p1 2,3Ghz/1,025V
p2 1,6Ghz/0,875V (or 0,9V dont remember exactly)
p3 0,8Ghz/0,725V

CPU temp max 42°C (22°C ambient room temp, scythe Katana III cooler - 65W TDP CPU recomended) after 1 hour prime95 test...

[agros]

As I said, I dont talk about raise voltage for stock clocks. Stock voltage for stock clock.

You use your pc only 2-4 hours per day? U r a green user

So, if I understand u well, u run your cpu from 0.72V to 1.22V real time?
No o/c, no c&q, turbo core on?

But when u run a game or something powerful like that, then u disable K10stat and u have 1.47V, right?
This sounds bad. Seems K10stat is not so auto.

So u claim that u can run default 960T's frequency(3.0GHz) at only 1.12V instead of 1.35... stable.
I tried once to reduce from 1.35V to 1.27V from bios, and a BSOD came.
Can u set 1.12V for 3GHz though bios, or you  can only set it through K10stat?

Is your room temp only 22oC? Its summer here and I have 25oC with my air-condition on
What do u mean 65W TDP? who?

[japuaa]

oh maaaaan, THIS is debilitating, every single question of yours has been answered before, I cannot figure out if u r such a noob, or cannot read, or just stupid... no offence  

So, if I understand u well, u run your cpu from 0.72V to 1.22V real time?
No o/c, no c&q, turbo core on?

yep 0,725-1,225V realtime
no o/c, cnq on, turbo on, C1E on, no cores unlocked, all voltage settings in BIOS auto/default

But when u run a game or something powerful like that, then u disable K10stat and u have 1.47V, right?
This sounds bad. Seems K10stat is not so auto.

no, K10stat is always running -> 0,725-1,225V in game, when idling, constantly, stable and ready till the end of time itself

So u claim that u can run default 960T's frequency(3.0GHz) at only 1.12V instead of 1.35... stable.
I tried once to reduce from 1.35V to 1.27V from bios, and a BSOD came.
Can u set 1.12V for 3GHz though bios, or you  can only set it through K10stat?

yes I claim it
as I already said before, voltage setting below 1,225V  in BIOS (even in K10stat 1.225V/3.4Ghz ) is unstable for me, I leave all voltage settings in BIOS auto/default  -> all voltage changes are set in K10stat
(and again as I already said many times before, your CPU`s lowest stable voltages is different from my CPU`s lowest stable voltage, for obvious reasons)

CPU voltage settings in BIOS is only for "B0" Pstate, so u cannot set other Pstates voltage in BIOS...
if u still dont understand it, pls read very carefully again and again and again  first Krisbee`s posts in this discusion...

Is your room temp only 22oC? Its summer here and I have 25oC with my air-condition on
What do u mean 65W TDP? who?

we have loooong winters here   600 meters above sea level...
my CPU cooler Scythe Katana III is recomended for CPUs with max 65W TDP... so I wanna proof u that this coooler can easily handle  undervolted 95W TDP phenom II 960T...

[agros]

oh maaaaan, THIS is debilitating, every single question of yours has been answered before, I cannot figure out if u r such a noob, or cannot read, or just stupid... no offence

I m sorry but u r not  concentrate, u dont answer my questions so u force me repeat myself all the time. Plus that I m afraid u r the noob. No offence, too...
Just yesterday I repeated to u that  i m not talking about raise voltage for stock clock, but u still write to me that "u do not need to raise voltage for stock clocks"... Who is the stupid then?

no, K10stat is always running -> 0,725-1,225V in game, when idling, constantly, stable and ready till the end of time itself

The advice in the given link is, when we play games to turn K10stat OFF.

yes I claim it
as I already said before, voltage setting below 1,225V  in BIOS (even in K10stat 1.225V/3.4Ghz ) is unstable for me, I leave all voltage settings in BIOS auto/default  -> all voltage changes are set in K10stat
(and again as I already said many times before, your CPU`s lowest stable voltages is different from my CPU`s lowest stable voltage, for obvious reasons)

CPU voltage settings in BIOS is only for "B0" Pstate, so u cannot set other Pstates voltage in BIOS...
if u still dont understand it, pls read very carefully again and again and again  first Krisbee`s posts in this discusion...

I didnt compare my lowests with your lowests, u use to go out of the main point all the time.
Try focus to the point, be straight and clean--> U say that u can get low numbers with K10stat while u cannot get them through bios, right?
And dont recall that Krisbee, you have already great confusion with your own posts, believe me u dont need 3rd person to confuse furthemore yourself.

so I wanna proof u that this coooler can easily handle  undervolted 95W TDP phenom II 960T

Never asked u to proof me about that, but I remind that my cooler is fanless.

[japuaa]

I m sorry but u r not  concentrate, u dont answer my questions so u force me repeat myself all the time. Plus that I m afraid u r the noob. No offence, too...
Just yesterday I repeated to u that  i m not talking about raise voltage for stock clock, but u still write to me that "u do not need to raise voltage for stock clocks"... Who is the stupid then?

maybe I overwrited myself, or u still dont understand, really dunno
with raising voltage I mean, that u do not need to raise voltage above ur custom lowest stable voltage settings at all Pstates.... -> why u would burn ur CPU at 1.4V/3.4Ghz when it could perfectly work at 1.225V/3.4Ghz..... Is it clear now?

The advice in the given link is, when we play games to turn K10stat OFF.

yep It is written there, but I do not turn off K10stat in games and till now i did not observe any lags or stuttering in ETQW, Demigod, Stalker, GTA4 etc...

I didnt compare my lowests with your lowests, u use to go out of the main point all the time.
Try focus to the point, be straight and clean--> U say that u can get low numbers with K10stat while u cannot get them through bios, right?
And dont recall that Krisbee, you have already great confusion with your own posts, believe me u dont need 3rd person to confuse furthemore yourself.

Krisbee just did not have such a patience with u    

YES, I CANNOT GET SUCH A LOW VOLTAGES IN BIOS, IN BIOS I CAN ONLY GET 1.225V for "B0" Pstate, but every other Pstates will be set by BIOS to 1,1V or so.....

ur last question was also answered here

agros,

If you read my post you'll find out the reason why the voltage does not drop at idle frequency. My  Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H rev 1.4 board does a better job than yours.  With Turbo Core enabled and set to 3400Mhz, the CPU voltage can go as low as 1.275V  and is stable.  This is the voltage that is applied for the boosted freq of 3.4GHz, all others operate at 1.125V.

The only way you get you system to act more like your old CPU is to use a program like K10stat.  Thsi article will give you a start:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/processor-power-management,2453.html

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I really do not know what is wrong with u... with first 2 Krisbee`s post I was able to manage my CPU voltages almost immediately, with no other questins from my side... try to understand the meaning of our words... I am afraid I cannot help u more, beacause..... my vocabulary is not large enough, or Greek english is different from  Czech english, or there are some sun disrutpions, really dont know how to satisfy u...   I always wondered why ur karma is -5, now I know why   no not really   Iam a very calm man, but u just trying to drive me crazy  

[DarkstaR]

Well spoken japuaa and don't worry your english is very comprehensive... i've always wondered why Agros had less 5 at his karma and i'm beginning to understand it now too...just see my previous posts in order to help him (it's in this topic a few pages earlier) and you will see... it's just like he's never satisified with our answers and advises for helping him  Otherwise my changing from my previous 960T to my new 1055T 95w edition is worthful and now i don't encounter any problem for auto lowering vcore in idle mode  whereas my 960T wasn't able at all to make it even with cool and quiet enabled...    I think it's proper to the zosma core as i had callisto core, heka core and now i have thuban core and none of those cores did encounter such a problem 

[agros]

maybe I overwrited myself, or u still dont understand, really dunno
with raising voltage I mean, that u do not need to raise voltage above ur custom lowest stable voltage settings at all Pstates.... -> why u would burn ur CPU at 1.4V/3.4Ghz when it could perfectly work at 1.225V/3.4Ghz..... Is it clear now?

lol, did I ever told u that I prefer to be burned at 1.4V and refuse to be at 1.22 ?

Krisbee just did not have such a patience with u    

YES, I CANNOT GET SUCH A LOW VOLTAGES IN BIOS, IN BIOS I CAN ONLY GET 1.225V for "B0" Pstate, but every other Pstates will be set by BIOS to 1,1V or so.....

Krisbee was left the dialogue when he understood that he could not answer my questions.

Dont write with capitals, dont try to give the impression that u said something several times. Just try focus in the main matter and dont turn around like before, when u told me "why do u prefer burned at 1.4V ?"....

I really do not know what is wrong with u... with first 2 Krisbee`s post I was able to manage my CPU voltages almost immediately, with no other questins from my side... try to understand the meaning of our words... I am afraid I cannot help u more, beacause..... my vocabulary is not large enough, or Greek english is different from  Czech english, or there are some sun disrutpions, really dont know how to satisfy u...   I always wondered why ur karma is -5, now I know why   no not really   Iam a very calm man, but u just trying to drive me crazy  

Theres nothing wrong with me. If u cant understand what I m talkingh about and force me to repeat all time, seems more that the wrong is in your side.
Maybe u r not enough familiar with computers or u dont care as much as I do in energy saving and cooling.
What is carma -5?

Well spoken japuaa and don't worry your english is very comprehensive... i've always wondered why Agros had less 5 at his karma and i'm beginning to understand it now too...just see my previous posts in order to help him (it's in this topic a few pages earlier) and you will see... it's just like he's never satisified with our answers and advises for helping him   Otherwise my changing from my previous 960T to my new 1055T 95w edition is worthful and now i don't encounter any problem for auto lowering vcore in idle mode   whereas my 960T wasn't able at all to make it even with cool and quiet enabled...    I think it's proper to the zosma core as i had callisto core, heka core and now i have thuban core and none of those cores did encounter such a problem  

And why would we be interested in your new 1055? This thread is for 960T.
You previous posts didnt lead to something. Someone helps only with straight and clean answers

[Dark Mantis]

DarkstaR and japuaa I think you are coming to see what is really happening here with the OP. He has gone through literally loads of other members and bored them all to death in the end. I think he just likes to post anything and it has even crossed my mind that he is going for the award for the longest single thread by one OP.  

I really wouldn't get drawn in to his games because you can never help somone who doesn't really want it and would rather argue all the time. I think his name was given a lot of thought before choosing it.  

[japuaa]

DarkstaR and japuaa I think you are coming to see what is really happening here with the OP. He has gone through literally loads of other members and bored them all to death in the end. I think he just likes to post anything and it has even crossed my mind that he is going for the award for the longest single thread by one OP. 

I really wouldn't get drawn in to his games because you can never help somone who doesn't really want it and would rather argue all the time. I think his name was given a lot of thought before choosing it. 

Well spoken japuaa and don't worry your english is very comprehensive... i've always wondered why Agros had less 5 at his karma and i'm beginning to understand it now too...just see my previous posts in order to help him (it's in this topic a few pages earlier) and you will see... it's just like he's never satisified with our answers and advises for helping him  Otherwise my changing from my previous 960T to my new 1055T 95w edition is worthful and now i don't encounter any problem for auto lowering vcore in idle mode  whereas my 960T wasn't able at all to make it even with cool and quiet enabled...    I think it's proper to the zosma core as i had callisto core, heka core and now i have thuban core and none of those cores did encounter such a problem 

TY guys, I was just wondering: where is The error? Now I am pretty sure it is not on my side

lol, did I ever told u that I prefer to be burned at 1.4V and refuse to be at 1.22 ?

several times, do u even read ur own posts?

Krisbee was left the dialogue when he understood that he could not answer my questions.

And I will do the same....

Theres nothing wrong with me. If u cant understand what I m talkingh about and force me to repeat all time, seems more that the wrong is in your side.
Maybe u r not enough familiar with computers or u dont care as much as I do in energy saving and cooling.
What is carma -5?

  suit urself 

karma -5 = other users ratings for ur usefulness here


So this is the end.... Live long and prosper