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Title: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Bad2theBone on January 13, 2011, 10:40:53 pm
Hardware/Software:

GA-890GPA-UD3H rev 2.1
BIOS FF
CPU AMD Phenom II 965 x4
RAM AData 2 x2GB DDR3 1333
PSU Corsair HX650W 650 Watt
ODD1 Sony DVD-ROM DDU1621 IDE Master
ODD2 LG DVD-RAM GSA-H55N IDE Slave
HDD1 WDC WD6401AALS SATA2 1st Port
HDD1 WDC WD1001FALS SATA2 2nd Port
HDD1 WDC WD1001FALS SATA2 3rd Port
HDD1 WDC WD1002FAEX SATA3 4th Port

OS Fedora 14
Kernel 2.6.35.10-74.fc14.x86_64
Drivers both OSS radeon and also currently using the ATI Catalyst 10.2

Primary Display is ViewSonic VA2250w-wm-LED
Alternate Display is VIZIO VA220E FHDTV 22"

I decided that I wanted to be able to watch videos from my hard drives on my VIZIO TV which is ~30feet from my desk/PC. It is not recommended to use the analogue signal for that distance and I wanted to keep my ViewSonic on the DVI cable, I was unable to use the integrated video for the dual display. I purchased a HIS HD 5770 PCIe x16 card from Newegg. I installed the board and connected the ViewSonic to it and the VIZIO via HDMI to the integrated video. I changed the BIOS to initialize the x16 slot 1st (PEG) and saved it. The BIOS part of the boot (Post ) went fine and my bootloader's menu (GRUB) came up fine on the ViewSonic. I selected my kernel to boot and the screen blanked out as normal, but when it came back it sat there for a while before it displayed the following error messages:

boot device found

boot device found

Boot has failed, sleeping forever.

I also have received various other errors. I have tried moving the card to the x8 slot (changing BIOS to PEG1) with same results. I also had a Diamond HD 3650 PCIe x16 card that had worked on my old Gigabyte MoBo, on both PCIe slots. I even dug up an old nVIDIA PCI video card with same results. I then tried to boot from different Distro's and version LiveCDs and install DVDs. I even disconnected the 3 1TB HDDs just leaving the boot drive hooked up. I have switched back in forth between the proprietary and opensource drivers with no change.

1.Is anyone else running Fedora 14 on this board?
2. If so, what video setup are you using?
3. Anyone have any ideas?
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Christoph on January 14, 2011, 10:51:53 pm
few things I don't get

1. you bought I video card and then you're using the integrated video on your board?

    if you use either video device the other one gets disable

2. did you have Fedora running on your computer before this problem?
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Bad2theBone on January 15, 2011, 03:30:36 am
few things I don't get

1. you bought I video card and then you're using the integrated video on your board?

    if you use either video device the other one gets disable

2. did you have Fedora running on your computer before this problem?

1. I originally was going to use just the HD 5770 with 2 Digital outputs, since the onboard only allowed the use of one digital and the analogue for dual monitors. That is when I first encountered the problem. I am able to use both the onboard and the PCIe x16 card once the system is booted. I can only boot up from the onboard video.

2. I had originally installed F 14 about a few days after release on my old Gigabyte MoBo. About a weak later my monitor died, so I replaced my old ViewSonic 19" with the current 22". When I started the system with the new monitor the MoBo blew several caps. Had originally replaced it with an ASUS board and new RAM and CPU. Found out the PSU was also bad replaced that. (altogether 3 trips to the store). New MoBo was flaky not booting consistently so I exchanged that one for the same model which had the same problem. Exchanged that one for a different model ASUS which also had problems, this was even after reinstalling F 14. I finally took everything back and started all over with the now Gigabyte (Returned home to the Big G) mentioned in my OP and new CPU, RAM and PSU. Reinstalled F14 again even though it ran fine  without the reinstall. About a week ago my wife said it would be nice if we could watch our DVD collection that I have loaded onto my hdd on our TV in the room. So that is where it all started. Once I get started on something I usually don't give up too easily, I become obsessed with the "project".
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Christoph on January 15, 2011, 11:49:37 pm
so the problem seems to be the video output, I don't see why you only can boot up with the onboard video card


You never boot up with the PCI card? not even once?

if you can, why don't you use the second output of the pci card connected to the tv and use the TV as extended desktop?


but actually it seems that the problem is the HDD cuz the error you're getting (boot has failed, sleeping forever)


try checking the HDD for bad sectors, and try using the SATA controller on AHCI fro the HDD


as you can see, there's a few different things that seems to be the problem, so try to isolate the main problem


another thing you can keep in mind, is it possible that you can stream Video/audio over the LAN?
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Bad2theBone on January 16, 2011, 03:19:22 am
so the problem seems to be the video output, I don't see why you only can boot up with the onboard video card


You never boot up with the PCI card? not even once?

if you can, why don't you use the second output of the pci card connected to the tv and use the TV as extended desktop?


but actually it seems that the problem is the HDD cuz the error you're getting (boot has failed, sleeping forever)


try checking the HDD for bad sectors, and try using the SATA controller on AHCI fro the HDD


as you can see, there's a few different things that seems to be the problem, so try to isolate the main problem


another thing you can keep in mind, is it possible that you can stream Video/audio over the LAN?

I have never been able to boot with PCIe card in either the x16 or x8 slots as well as an old PCI card in either PCI slots. The hard drives are fine and I have also gotten other types of errors, just can't find my notes on what they were at this time. I have also gotten that error when trying to boot a LiveCD or an Install DVD as well as the other errors.

As far as streaming A/V over the LAN, I would need another PC or network ready TV or BD which I don't have right now. My plans for the future to do a set-up where I'm streaming, but being on disability does not allow the expense to be worked into my budget right now. I'd love to build a micro box system to do that.
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Christoph on January 16, 2011, 05:25:01 am
what's the power supply you got in your computer?
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Bad2theBone on January 16, 2011, 08:35:04 pm
what's the power supply you got in your computer?

PSU Corsair HX650W 650 Watt. I tend to not feel that it is a PSU issue in that once I boot up and login the PCIe card works at that point once xorg.conf is read and setsup the video. I'm not totally sure what I have, but that is something that can be later defined and refined at a later time.
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Christoph on January 17, 2011, 04:03:29 am
well, don't know what others errors you get too, but one of those may be your HDD, try and check IF NCQ and Cache are enable for the HDD.
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Bad2theBone on January 17, 2011, 01:20:14 pm
NCQ & Write Cache are both enabled on all 4 drives. None are reporting errors.
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Christoph on January 17, 2011, 09:48:36 pm

when you installed your pci card, you deleted the onboard video drivers and then install the right one for the pci video card right?
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Bad2theBone on January 17, 2011, 10:39:15 pm

when you installed your pci card, you deleted the onboard video drivers and then install the right one for the pci video card right?

I had disabled the onboard video totally and had modified the kernel boot line to use nv the OSS driver, and essentially got the same errors that I was getting with the ATI cards. Not just the boot found device as mentioned before.
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Bad2theBone on January 17, 2011, 10:53:19 pm
Just found some of my other errors on another post on a different list as follows:

[2.0269701] general protection fault 0000[#1] SMP
last sysfs file: /sys/bus/pci/drivers/radeon/uevent
. a whole bunch of stuff
. scrolled off the screen
. paused at this point
worker 147 failed while handling '/devices/pci 0000:00/2222:00:03.010000 - fast scrolling started again so was not able to get rest of line

I also got once;
[.6182001] Fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed

Please note these were random and sporadic at best, interspersed with the 3 lines that I mentioned on my OP.
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Christoph on January 18, 2011, 06:35:07 am
well

one is the video card


is the system stable? did you check the RAM for stability?

and as you mentioned in the first post, Fedora was trying to boot but just got to half way, in some point couldn't keep reading from the HDD, you gonna have to make sure that the RAM is good as the HDD

and then the drivers, or even the SATA cable cuz you were unable to boot form live CDs right?
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Dark Mantis on January 18, 2011, 07:37:16 am
Often there are problems when IDE and SATA are mixed on the one board. I think it would be worth trying a SATA optical drive and disconnect the IDE ones.
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Bad2theBone on January 18, 2011, 12:22:09 pm
well

one is the video card


is the system stable? did you check the RAM for stability?

and as you mentioned in the first post, Fedora was trying to boot but just got to half way, in some point couldn't keep reading from the HDD, you gonna have to make sure that the RAM is good as the HDD

and then the drivers, or even the SATA cable cuz you were unable to boot form live CDs right?

Video card works once I've logged in.

System normally runs fine once I'm logged in and using the onboard video as my primary. I have run Memtest86+ for 3 passes, I might try letting it run overnight and see how it does.

Haven't tried changing SATA cables, the IDE is new, but then I don't seem to have any video related issues as long as the onboard is enabled and is the primary controller.
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Bad2theBone on January 18, 2011, 12:28:39 pm
Often there are problems when IDE and SATA are mixed on the one board. I think it would be worth trying a SATA optical drive and disconnect the IDE ones.

Don't have a SATA ODD, but I could just boot without the ODDs connected to see if that changes things.
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Dark Mantis on January 18, 2011, 08:38:16 pm
Well that would be the next best thing. ;)
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Bad2theBone on January 18, 2011, 09:37:26 pm
Well that would be the next best thing. ;)

Just tried first removing 3 of my harddrives which did not change anything which was something Gigabyte support wanted me to do. And then I tried diconnecting both ODDs, also no change just sat there without getting to the prompt for passPhrase.
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Christoph on January 19, 2011, 05:58:26 am
ohhhhhhhhh


ok

now we are getting somewhere, you gonna have to install everything again

the thing here is Fedora's actually breaking everything up, this happened to me twice

you gonna have to Install first Fedora with Grub to handle the installation of Windows


I tried installing first Windows and then Fedora which everything was working fine at the beginning, but (this is just my guess) in some point along the way Fedora recognize the installation of windows and try to handle it from the Grub and breaking up the MBR written first to the motherboard by windows
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: babdi on January 19, 2011, 09:34:27 am
Is your BIOS version FF ?.
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Bad2theBone on January 19, 2011, 05:11:42 pm
Is your BIOS version FF ?.

Yep, updated a couple of weeks ago.
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Bad2theBone on January 19, 2011, 05:21:40 pm
ohhhhhhhhh


ok

now we are getting somewhere, you gonna have to install everything again

the thing here is Fedora's actually breaking everything up, this happened to me twice

you gonna have to Install first Fedora with Grub to handle the installation of Windows


I tried installing first Windows and then Fedora which everything was working fine at the beginning, but (this is just my guess) in some point along the way Fedora recognize the installation of windows and try to handle it from the Grub and breaking up the MBR written first to the motherboard by windows

Uhh,,, Windows does not come into play in my case, as I do not have it installed, strictly Fedora 14 lives all alone on HDD and that's the way I plan on keeping it. I believe I mentioned Windows on an earlier post just after starting communicating with Gigabyte Support. They at first insisted that I install windows and see if all works at that point and that's as far as they were going to go. When I came back with the fact that the newest version on Windows I had in my possession (if I could find it) was Win2K and I had no intention of spending $200.00 just for Windows, not on disability income. I told them I'd rather put my money into better hardware such as Gigabyte than in software that chokes you. They are now on daily communique with me.
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Christoph on January 19, 2011, 08:36:30 pm
my bad


this is really strange

did you updated Fedora or installed some application before the problem?


I just tried Fedora 14 for a few hours after get it to install, so didn't get to know it quite well

is that the latest Kernel for Fedora? is it stable? you don't know if it has any known bugs?


have you check this post?

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=1432695
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Bad2theBone on January 19, 2011, 09:22:56 pm
my bad


this is really strange

did you updated Fedora or installed some application before the problem?


I just tried Fedora 14 for a few hours after get it to install, so didn't get to know it quite well

is that the latest Kernel for Fedora? is it stable? you don't know if it has any known bugs?


have you check this post?

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=1432695

I could try 2.6.35.9-64 as that is still on my drive, but I don't think that that is my problem as I would think that would mean I would be able to boot from the Install DVD or LiveCD for F 14 or even F 13. I am currently running 2.6.35.10-74.
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Christoph on January 20, 2011, 10:03:13 pm
and what kernel does it have your live cd?


my ubuntu server does the exact thing with kernel 2.6.35-24

but if I boot with 2.6.35-22 it works perfectly
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Bad2theBone on January 21, 2011, 03:41:08 am
and what kernel does it have your live cd?


my ubuntu server does the exact thing with kernel 2.6.35-24

but if I boot with 2.6.35-22 it works perfectly

Whichever was the current version for Fedora 14 when it was first released. I can check it tomorrow and let you know. I had also tried a LiveCD for Fedora 13 which I believe was a 2.6.33 -xx and got the same results. I may try downloading Ubuntu's LiveCD and see if the problem goes away. All of my Ubuntu and other distros are probably too old for this MoBo as the chipset came out last March. I did have a RescueCD which is based on Knoppix that was within the last 9 months and that gave me similar results.

It'll be easier to test this on the fly later tomorrow when I get my 35ft DVI-HDMI cable from MonoPrice so I don't have to be moving my TV back and forth to hook up to my PC.
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Christoph on January 21, 2011, 05:20:26 am
ok

take your time to make it easy

we'll be here
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Bad2theBone on February 12, 2011, 04:54:20 pm
Latest Update.

A friend/acquaintance brought up a copy of both the 32bit and 64bit Win7Pro. We installed 1st the 32Bit on a spare drive and that seemed to work with booting the HD5770 and onboard disabled. We then installed the 64bit and on the 1st reboot from hdd it froze. Later I tried at Gigabyte's support request booting with just the one hdd (which is the way I had been, I wasn't going to take the chance of Win7 taking over control of my other drives), removing at least 1 ODD which I just removed both, removing 1 stick of RAM, and disconnecting all fans except CPU. When I booted that way I got the infamous BSOD. I am able to run 32bit versions of either WIN or Linux. If I boot 64bit through the onboard video, I can use the PCIe card once logged in. I still believe that it is hardware and the failure occurs on initializing it full 64bit. It can be initialized after the boot in a 64bit environment.
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Dark Mantis on February 12, 2011, 07:57:44 pm
When you installed the 64 bit version did you change the HPET in the BIOS to 64 ?

What was the Stop Code on the BSOD ?
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Bad2theBone on February 13, 2011, 02:18:08 am
When you installed the 64 bit version did you change the HPET in the BIOS to 64 ?

What was the Stop Code on the BSOD ?

HPET enabled, also used in Linux kernels 2.6 and above, it's also the default setting in the BIOS for this board.

STOP: c000021a [FATA7 System Error]
The windows subsystem process terminated unexpectedly with a status of 0xc0000005 (0x77163a37 0x0021e990)
The system has been shut down.

That's with just one hdd, no optical drives, 1 stick of memory and the PCIe x16 video card. On board video disabled.
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Dark Mantis on February 13, 2011, 03:36:32 pm
Quote
status of 0xc0000005

Are you sure it was this code and not 0x00000050 as it is missing one digit ?

If I am correct then you need to check your memory timings and frequency.
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Bad2theBone on February 13, 2011, 09:18:54 pm
Quote
status of 0xc0000005

Are you sure it was this code and not 0x00000050 as it is missing one digit ?

If I am correct then you need to check your memory timings and frequency.

Nope it's not 50 it's 5. I took a picture of my display with my cell phone. I can send you the image if you want.
Title: Re: GA-890GPA-UD3H boot problems
Post by: Dark Mantis on February 13, 2011, 11:28:45 pm
No as long as it wasn't just a typo!