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Title: Speakers queries
Post by: agros on December 28, 2011, 11:03:45 am
Lately I m looking to buy a new speakers system for my pc(2.1 or 5.1)... There are some questions

1. I heard that its better to connect earphones directly into soundcard's port, is it true?

2. Is it necessary for the subwoofer to be on the floor? What if I put it on the table?

3. What do I earn if I connect speakers digital way instead of analogue?

4. What speakers do u suggest me to buy? My soundcard is a SB X-Fi Extreme Audio pci_xpress_x1.
Must be a model silent when pc is off, no any fffsssss... :)
Title: Re: Speakers queries
Post by: Dark Mantis on December 28, 2011, 08:26:21 pm
Hi


Obviously the most important aspect is your spending power. Speaker sets can vary a great deal and run from literaly a few pounds to many hundreds. I like the Logitech Z906, they are what I use. They don't come cheap but do a good job for most things as long as you don't need real high quality monitors. You can pick them up for around £250 although the full price is £350.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=logitech+z906&tag=mh0a9-21&index=aps&hvadid=38691622&ref=pd_sl_22hfcb6oyn_e

Subwoofer should be on the deck as the low frequency sound it produces travels better there than on a desk or higher up.

Analogue is better than digital if you listen to an audio buff because it doesn't get changed from analogue top digital and then back to analogue etc but to be honest either will work fine for normal use.
Title: Re: Speakers queries
Post by: agros on December 29, 2011, 07:39:18 pm
Well, point is not the money but the right device :)
Usually, much money means more W, I dont want volume but quality.

So, u say that subwoofer must be on the floor(deck). Even in a 2.1 system?
I  prefer not to put it on the floor, so that the downstairs neighbor wont hear.
And no any "fffsssss" when pc closed.

Analogue connection is better than digital? Then why digital exist?
Title: Re: Speakers queries
Post by: Dark Mantis on December 30, 2011, 06:36:47 am
You dont have to put the sub woofer down on the floor as you are correct about it using the floor as a medium for transmitting the sound Under normal circumstances that is one of the main reasons why it is recommended to put them there. Obviously in your sort of environment the desk would probably be a better option but you will lose some of the very low frequencies and need to turn it up a bit more to get the most out of it. There should be no sound at all when nothing is being played through the speakers.
Title: Re: Speakers queries
Post by: agros on December 30, 2011, 11:13:47 pm
There are some speakers that play a "fffssss..." even when pc is closed, thats what I want to avoid.
I m thinking of buying a 2.1 set and put subwoofer on the desk, I know that I ll lose the surround dimention (till now I had creative T7900) but anyway I dont have the space to spread them. Do u know any  2.1 speakers, not 500w, with good sound? The music I use to hear is classic. Not many games and not movies on pc.
Is it true that Logiteck<Creative?

Someone told me that subwoofer must be on the floor because its vibration can damage pc.
Title: Re: Speakers queries
Post by: Dark Mantis on December 31, 2011, 07:47:22 am
No I have my sub on the desktop at the far end from me but it won't do any damage even when turned up. You might at worst find a bit of vibration going through the desktop at volume but not enough to do any damage.

To be honest in general you get what you pay for with speakers so I would set yourself a realistic budget and thenm see what is available for that.

Logitech and Creative are seperate entities if that is what you were asking.
Title: Re: Speakers queries
Post by: absic on December 31, 2011, 07:52:32 am
Just to add my bit into the mix: The "hissing" noise from PC speakers when they are not running is usually due to the volume being set to high or from using cheap low end speakers whose internal amplifier components are not that good.
Title: Re: Speakers queries
Post by: geekyadz on December 31, 2011, 01:11:56 pm
Just to add my bit into the mix: The "hissing" noise from PC speakers when they are not running is usually due to the volume being set to high or from using cheap low end speakers whose internal amplifier components are not that good.
Or a "bad earth"
Title: Re: Speakers queries
Post by: agros on December 31, 2011, 01:33:46 pm
To be honest in general you get what you pay for with speakers so I would set yourself a realistic budget and thenm see what is available for that.

Its not so simple, as I said usually big prize is for many watts, for example that system u suggested me(350€ in my country) is 500watts, I dont want to disturb the whole neighborhood  :)

Logitech and Creative are seperate entities if that is what you were asking.

 ;D the "<" is a mathematician symbol. Is Logitech worse than Creative?

Just to add my bit into the mix: The "hissing" noise from PC speakers when they are not running is usually due to the volume being set to high or from using cheap low end speakers whose internal amplifier components are not that good.


They told me that fffssss exist even in not cheap speakers. Some Logitech models I dont remember right now.
Low or high volume, point is not to hear anything. Otherwise u have to shut off speakers. In my previous speakers that was not easy, because the button was down of the desk.


Is it better to connect earphones directly to the soundcard hole?
Title: Re: Speakers queries
Post by: Dark Mantis on December 31, 2011, 02:35:13 pm
To be honest in general you get what you pay for with speakers so I would set yourself a realistic budget and thenm see what is available for that.

Its not so simple, as I said usually big prize is for many watts, for example that system u suggested me(350€ in my country) is 500watts, I dont want to disturb the whole neighborhood  :)


You are missing the point a bit there. Just because the speaker system is capable of outputting a lot of watts doesn't mean that you have to run it at full volume al the time. In fact you will find that there is normally less distortion at lower levels on most audio equiptment so something powerful does have it's benefits.

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Logitech and Creative are seperate entities if that is what you were asking.

 ;D the "<" is a mathematician symbol. Is Logitech worse than Creative?


I am quite well aware of what the symbol means but you wouldn't normally use it in standard speech. It would be better to use normal words so that the meaning is clear.  I wouldn't say that either one is much better or worse than the other as they tend to concentrate on differing areas albeit audio.
Title: Re: Speakers queries
Post by: agros on December 31, 2011, 07:36:20 pm
You are missing the point a bit there. Just because the speaker system is capable of outputting a lot of watts doesn't mean that you have to run it at full volume al the time.

And why pay for something that I wont use? Its better for the money to go to the quality and the better sound.
Title: Re: Speakers queries
Post by: Dark Mantis on December 31, 2011, 09:24:36 pm
I am afraid that you are quoting me out of context and it loses it's point. If you are such a expert on audio components why are you asking for advice on the forum ? If you don't want to hear the suggestions there is not much point asking in the first place. :-\
Title: Re: Speakers queries
Post by: agros on January 02, 2012, 11:23:00 am
I made specific questions (that still are unanswered).
I also explained u that I dont want an expensive set with many watts. What I need is quality, and silence when pc is off.
I m not audio expert, as I guess u r not too ::)
Title: Re: Speakers queries
Post by: Dark Mantis on January 02, 2012, 11:52:01 am
I m not audio expert, as I guess u r not too ::)

I would have to agree with you on both counts  ;) I was just trying to pass on the bit of knowledge that I have on this subject albeit not a lot. I am surprised that nobody else has posted any useful information or answers to your question either.

Anyhow good luck with finding the right setup for you as it is one of those areas where there is so much to choose from and what one person thinks is the dogs danglies another will think is rubbish.
Title: Re: Speakers queries
Post by: Ben on January 06, 2012, 01:59:28 am
Thought I would put my $2 worth in.

Are you into Creative/ Logitech or will any brand do?

Sony make pretty good speakers (SRS-A3/BLK) being one type, should be ideal for classical music. It has no sub woofer but from what I hear the bass is pretty good, it is a 2 speaker set-up.

Another possibility is the "Cyber Acoustic" CA-896.

These are pretty good speakers & not very expensive.

I use to have some Bose & Harmon Kardon speakers years ago & found they where pretty good.

PS,

I read a lot of magazines & this where I get some of my info from.

Ben.




Title: Re: Speakers queries
Post by: agros on January 06, 2012, 06:15:48 pm
I heard that 5.1 systems are mostly for games and movies. I watch movies on my plasma TV and I m not so much into gaming.
So I go for 2.0/2.1, right? If I can put subwoofer on the desk then I prefer to go for 2.1

The brand is not important. Exept if there are speakers designed for my soundcard(Creative SB X-Fi Extreme Audio pci_xpress_x1).

The two 2.0 speakers u suggested me, look like cheap and s**t :)
They look like this one system, which I already have --> http://reviews.logitech.com/7061/214/logitech-x-140-speakers-reviews/reviews.htm
(no link form in this forum?)
Until now I had this system --> http://www.google.gr/search?q=creative+t7900&hl=el&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ADoHT7eOB6eK4gTS3Z3hBA&ved=0CCsQsAQ&biw=1536&bih=716
which was very good, so I woudnt get something cheaper and weaker.
Title: Re: Speakers queries
Post by: Ben on January 06, 2012, 09:59:16 pm
Sorry thought you were looking for cheap (inexpensive).

I have AWA speakers 7.1 system my monitor is LCD 27' plus an amplifier you ought to hear the sound.

Another speaker system is the JBL Creature lll, not to everyone's taste but I almost bought them myself,( my partner hated them) there about $160 (AUS) over here.

The main problem is there are many speaker system's out there, & really it comes down to you in the end, everyone has their preferences.

2.1 is the better for what you want as I use mine mainly for music/videos.

You can spend anything from$2 to $$$$$$$ for a speaker system but in the end you have to decide.

Hopefully you find what you are looking for, if you do please let us know.

Happy speaker hunting.

Ben
Title: Re: Speakers queries
Post by: agros on January 06, 2012, 11:07:13 pm
If u had read this thread u would know that I m talking only for quality speakers.
So, u have 7.1? But do u spread them normaly? I had removed 2 from mine so that became 5.1
My monitor is LED 22" but monitor hasnt something to do with speakers or sound.
Does subwoofer damage pc when on table?
You know, there are some speakers which make a "fffssssssss" even when pc is off :) Does this JBL Creature lll makes such sound? (although its only 25w and looks like octapus, so I wouldnt buy it)
Title: Re: Speakers queries
Post by: Ben on January 07, 2012, 08:22:53 am
Yes I got the quality part, as for my monitor I use it mainly for watching movies I have a 2nd one 18' that I use primary for internet, word-processing etc.

I know that Creative do pretty good speakers ( Creative GigaWorks T3 2.1-CH PC multimedia speaker sys - 80 Watt  $250), as do Bose (Companion 20 $400), but it all comes down to aesthetics plus ease of use, do you need a remote control  or an attached controller, no controller just an on/off switch with volume control at the back of the speaker?

As to how my speakers are positioned;

I have the sub woofer to the right of my chair under the desk. (my desk is comprised of 2 glass tops 1 is about 1 metre long  while the other is 1.5 metres my wall is just under 3 metres long)

 I have shelves at the top there are 2 speakers 1 at each corner & a middle speaker in the middle, on my desk another 2 speakers L/R on my desk.

At my rear I have 2 speakers mounted on the wall corners wires going through the ceiling.

I don't have the sub woofer on my table no space, as I have my monitors,computer case,printer,amplifier/receiver,scanner, plus other items.

As for the fffsssss sound I believe this has been fixed with modern speaker systems, could be sound card related to.

Whichever brand you decide on if you are paying the big $$$$ you should get good quality plus if it does play up you still have your warranty

Ben..


Title: Re: Speakers queries
Post by: agros on January 07, 2012, 10:43:11 pm
Instead of all this description, why dont u take a photo and upload it?  :)

I dont want any remote control. It will be pc speakers. I checked that Creative GigaWorks T3 2.1-CH, the 2 satelites look like small.
So, u have your subwoofer under he desk. I ll prefer to put mine on the desk, so that the downstairs neighbor wont listen :-\
I listen every day (classical)music and, u know, usually volume must be high :)

They have told me for specific models (some new Logitech ones) which really make ffsssss.
Warranty wont cover any fffsssss :)
Title: Re: Speakers queries
Post by: agros on January 19, 2012, 07:54:57 am
I heard that this 2.0  is good...
http://www.trustedreviews.com/Creative-Gigaworks-T40-Series-II_Peripheral_review
Really expensive for 2.0 set.
Isnt the subwoofer necessary?
Title: Re: Speakers queries
Post by: Dark Mantis on January 19, 2012, 08:49:54 am
That's not expensive. Just now you were saying you were only interested in quality speakers. Please make your mind up. :-\
Title: Re: Speakers queries
Post by: agros on January 19, 2012, 10:35:40 am
120€+  are really expensive for a 2.0 system, but price is not my point.
These speakers look good but have no sub. Is this problem? What does a subwoofer offers more? I ll save space on my desk, but do I lose something without subwoofer?

The Logitech X-530 5.1 system is cheaper(about 80€). Newegg users say that its very good.
Is this T40 better than  Χ-530?
Title: Re: Speakers queries
Post by: agros on February 17, 2012, 09:44:51 am
I just bought the Creative Gigaworks T40 Series II  :)

Really good bass for a 2.0 system.

Theres indeed a small 'ffffs' if u turn the volume buttom to maximum, but noone will hear it. I can hear it because theres no any other sounds in my fanless system.
I m happy that I got rid of the subwoofer, even if I had to pay 131€  ::)
Title: Re: Speakers queries
Post by: Ben on February 17, 2012, 10:16:52 pm
Glad to hear you finally got your speakers, I did look at them (T40s) but the review I read said they had problems with a misaligned switch, could be a one off, it's just that if I hear/read about these things they make me wary about the product.

Anyway hope you enjoy them.

Ben
Title: Re: Speakers queries
Post by: agros on February 18, 2012, 11:35:59 am
In NewEgg I saw many reviews about strange buttons, annoying led, short cable etc. But major point is the performance of this too expensive set.
I had to get a 2.0 set and after many reviews I read this one seems to be the best.