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Title: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: whenyournex2me on July 31, 2010, 08:26:41 am
I have decided to buy this mother board as soon as possible as my families budget allows, and I have a list of the items I want to use, built around the motherboard. Since I am new to building computers I am looking for support and hope to build a relationship within the community. :)

do please comment:
corsair obsidian 700
corsair 750hx
x58a-ud5
i7 930
corsair 1600 Dominator 6gb 3x2gb ddr3
2 x gigabyte gtx 460 fermi
2 x 6 gb/s 1 tb hd
M-Audio Delta 1010 LT PCI Digital Audio Computer Interface or newer...
dark knight air cooler, till I get koolance or danger den liq cooling.
cd/dvd writer
blueray
and some minor customizations... ?

Id love to overclock this machine, and I'm aware of the risks. But it would be nice though to turn on the power once and a while, while playing battlefield or eve or mirrors edge. This build will become the families source of entertainment as we don't use a tv or have a tv for that matter. I'm looking at monitors and possibly a hdtv. at least at 1900x1200 or 1980 x 1080. Id like full hdmi for dvd or blueray and video games, or anything graphic on the computer ie pictures or art work. Also, alot of music will be made on this machine as well. Id like to take care of this and customize a bit of it and show it to the world. thanks for reading. please comment@!  
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: absic on July 31, 2010, 08:39:07 am
Hi there and welcome to the forum.

As I tend to go for the AMD platform I will leave others with more experience to comment on your choice of PC components.

What caught my eye however was the choice of a Delta 1010 LT. I actually use the Delta1010 and although it is a really solid sound card the support from M-Audio with regard to drivers is appalling. If you are planning on using this sound card for multi-track recording then I would throw a note of caution into the idea of Overclocking as the two don't really go together that well.

ATB
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: Dark Mantis on July 31, 2010, 10:41:03 am
Hi and welcome, As far as the muisic side of things goes absic is the forum god around here and so I would take notice of his suggestions and I would agree with his point on overclocking. Your machine is going to be very fast anyway and you have a good set of specs for it. TYhe only one i would query is the PSU. Corsair I can't fault but the size  for waht you are planning to run is a little on the conservative side. I would sufggest going up to the HX850W. Excellent PSU and a 7 year warranty thrown in. Should be a good machine when you have built it and later as you commented you can add a bit of bling and liquid cool it to boot ;)
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: whenyournex2me on September 29, 2010, 11:52:50 pm
Thank you very much, I have updated the list, please comment again, I changed the memory, the power supply, the cpu, case, and the graphics card.

And thank you, for looking into this thread! I have a budget of 1600$ atm for a computer. I have an Asus vw266 monitor and would like to use three, of the same model, eventually soon I hope. Also I plan on using two of the same graphics cards in SLI. (but plan to use one for now)

With that said, Ill state the purpose for the computer:
Music production, gaming, some minor graphic art/work and drafting, watching movies, surfing web, and basically serves as a home entertainment computer.

So, my list of parts is as follows, please comment on any and all thoughts relating to anything really, just let it out. I value all opinions here.
(Prices are from new-egg and they are rounded just for simplicity)

The case will be purchased last, and the benchmark will be purchased first.

160.00
LIAN LI PC-A70F Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case

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100.00
LIAN LI PC-T60B Black Aluminum ATX / Micro-ATX test benchmark


410.00 (combo)
GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD5 LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit 1-Pack for System

329.00 (combo)
Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366
XIGMATEK Intel Core i7 compatible Dark Knight

free:
XIGMATEK PTI-G3606 thermal grease

250.00
CORSAIR DOMINATOR-GT 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2000 (PC3 16000) Desktop Memory Model CMT6GX3M3A2000

^will this be compatible with my mobo?

170.00
CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-850HX 850W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply

260.00
EVGA 01G-P3-1377-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) FTW 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

Grand total is $1720.00
With out case and benchmark
total is $1430.00
with the benchmark only
total is $1520.00

This I can afford in one shot. Whatcha think?

Any thoughts to what kind of hard drive system I should use? I am new to computer building, and lack experience, all help is welcome, thank you again! I cant wait to show you all pics!!!

As for the audio card, I really dont need it. I use Reason, Ableton live and a few other audio programs... And I have yet to need to record anything live in house. Till then I dont need any interface in/out of my computer other than whats supplied by the motherboard.
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: Fatman on September 30, 2010, 01:13:51 am
Nice!
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: Dark Mantis on September 30, 2010, 08:18:36 am
Well firstly you memory won't work with your motherboard. For a list of compatible memory see here:

http://www.corsair.com/configurator/product_results.aspx?id=1498847#other_modules

The heatsink is ok but I would recommend ARCTIC SILVER 5 for the thermal compound.

Personally I liked your Corsair Obsidian choice for the case but that is purely personal.

I would also recommend the Radeon 58xx series of cards they are more stable and have less problems than the nVidia cards. Also you have the added benefit of the Eyefinity technology allowing you to use three monitors in a surround view configuration.
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: whenyournex2me on September 30, 2010, 09:41:39 am
Interesting,

I found this article and the second review has Dominator GT 2000 mhz memory modules in a x58-ud5 mobo....
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145318
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128422&cm_re=ud5-_-13-128-422-_-Product
maybe I need the original x58-ud5 mobo?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=210641

I see the compatibility page shows only the dominator modules 1866, 1600 or 1333 mhz.; How can I get Dominator GT memory?
I have my reasons to stick with nvidia, I feel stability comes to settings and Ive have Nvidia for like ever, The gtx 460 hits the spot perfect.
The antec case has much better air flow and isnt too much case, Where the Obsidian is too much case for me. Lian li cases are professional imo and They get my vote this time around.

So the rest is ok then, I have to get to the bottom of this memory issue it seems. Id like to overclock the snot out of this, and I do plan on mputting mostly everything under liquid as well, including n bridge and s bridge, mosfets, gpu's, and cpu.

Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: Dark Mantis on September 30, 2010, 10:11:52 am
Well when you have built it make sure you post some nice pics in our Pictures of Members Computers section.
The page shows two lots of Dominator GT modules that fit your criterior CMG6GX3M3A2000C7 and   CMG6GX3M3A2000C8
If you can get hold of the GA-X58A-UD5 rev 1.0 motherboard I would do so as in  my opinion it is a better board. The rev 2.0 is a slightly cut down version.
I have all my system under water as well and it cerainly makes a difference. I tend not ot overclock mine but have a play around sometimes.
Anyway good luck with the build. ;)
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: whenyournex2me on September 30, 2010, 07:00:18 pm
thank you for your help. see there is a c7 and c8 for the 2000 mhz modules, and one c7 for the 1866 mhz modules. I wasnt meaning to be snappy and I am fully aware that you folks are much much more experience and educated than I when it comes to computers.... I take all of your advice to heart :)

I just really want dominator gt memory for the extra performance. Which I hope is a good ammount over the regular modules (dominator).

I am at a loss here though, now searching for different rev of the x58 ud5 platform. Idk what to get, whats the differences are, and  can I even still buy any of the variations of the ud5 motherboard? if so where? I simply, want a rock solid computer, not from best buy.... :)

I am also considering the gtx460 from Gigabyte... 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125333
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: Dark Mantis on September 30, 2010, 08:46:02 pm
thank you for your help. see there is a c7 and c8 for the 2000 mhz modules, and one c7 for the 1866 mhz modules. I wasnt meaning to be snappy and I am fully aware that you folks are much much more experience and educated than I when it comes to computers.... I take all of your advice to heart :)

Hey, no problem here! Just trying to be accurate.
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I just really want dominator gt memory for the extra performance. Which I hope is a good ammount over the regular modules (dominator).
All the Dominator memory is excellent. Personally I have never used the GTs but I think they do have tighter timings.

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I am at a loss here though, now searching for different rev of the x58 ud5 platform. Idk what to get, whats the differences are, and  can I even still buy any of the variations of the ud5 motherboard? if so where? I simply, want a rock solid computer

Don't worry about trying to get hold of the X58 board as the X58A is just the updated version. I think what you are getting confused about is hte different revisions of the motherboard. It came out as the rev 1.0 and was later "improved" to the rev 2.0. Obviously where you can get the various boards depends on what they have in stock but at least you can ask the question now. I would recommend rev 1.0 if possible although there is nothing wrong with the later version.

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I am also considering the gtx460 from Gigabyte...

We see a lot of problems on hte forum and from experience I would advise you to go for the ATI Radeon based cards over the nVidia ones. There are quite a few issues at the present time with them.
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: whenyournex2me on September 30, 2010, 09:00:33 pm
Thank you for the re assurance Dark Mantis, :) You are very helpful. Thanks for the heads up on the Nvidia cards. I see a lot of problems in the forums too, relating to these cards. I will once more compare. One thing is for certain though, I am excited and sold on the Gigabyte mobo and the corsair power supply and memory.





Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: Dark Mantis on September 30, 2010, 09:08:11 pm
As you can see from my signature I am running the X58A-UD7 motherboard and it is a very stable and overclockable board not dissimilar to the UD5. I am sure that you would be happy with that choice and the Corsair PSU and memory should all play well together. If I can help any more you know where to come.  ;)
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: whenyournex2me on September 30, 2010, 09:11:17 pm
If I may comment on the gigabyte gtx 460, Im aware of the heat issues and the causes. And I will be liquid cooling everything, maybe within a full year of buying the computer. Anyways, I am planning to keep the computer on a benchmark table while I adjust any settings and such, testing, and adjusting, basically while I learn about the computer.

 (http://p.gzhls.at/539543.jpg)

I do not want to air cool in a case letting the top card get hot, on avg 15 degrees more than the bottom card. that makes me uneasy, Id like to have them both at the same low temp of cool, liquid cool that is. when I get a liquid cooling setup I think Ill buy the case and enclose the package. maybe do some mods on the case itself as well.

But changing the radiator heat sink from the open dual fan design, to an enclosed design, so the cool air in the case coming from outside, gets pulled and sucked into the gpu, and brushes against the heat sink and carries the heat waves away out the back of the case. Like the gtx 480 design or the evga 460 design I posted. The fans are in different location, One design I seen takes up three slots, I think it was a galaxy gtx 480 special OC edition... but I believe that was an open enclosure design...

"Enter the new refined ‘Tank’, the Galaxy GTX 480 SuperOverclock, which Galaxy calls “the fastest GTX 480 card in the world” which is already the “fastest single GPU video card” in the slower-clocked reference version. Best of all, the new Galaxy GTX 480 SOC is not just super-fast, but it is also 30 dBA quieter than the reference version and also 30C cooler thanks to its impressive and well-engineered 3-slot design and Arctic-Cooling VGA cooler.


The Galaxy GTX 480 SOC is a massive 3-slot design:


Now check the heavy backplate of the Galaxy GTX 480 SOC version:


The Galaxy GTX 480 SOC comes with a MSRP of $489. So we need to answer the question: Is it worth the $30 premium over the $450 or so dollars that one would currently spend for AMD’s top single-GPU video card – an overclocked HD 5870?"

Full article here: http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=20800&all=1

However it claims, " it is also 30 dBA quieter than the reference version and also 30C cooler" than the reference version...

So idk, Im no engineer by any means of paper.....

Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: Dark Mantis on September 30, 2010, 09:33:58 pm
Sorry. No weapons of torture allowed on this forum!  :o
Seriously though the temperstures are not the only problems with these cards. There has been a lot of driver problems and various hardware faults also. I just feel that they are not stable enough wheras the Radeons are much better. Liquid cooling is definitely a better bet for multiple GPU setups. I am only running one GPU but I tried stress testing it the other day and couldn't get it above 50 degrees no matter what I threw at it and practically silent too. 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: F5BJR on September 30, 2010, 09:43:40 pm
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I have this configuration with 2 * HD5770 Single Slot XFX for the 2 in CrossFire PCI-e X16 and use only 2 * Slots  !!
+ one PCI HD4350 for HDTV

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Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: Dark Mantis on September 30, 2010, 09:49:39 pm
Ah, but with all those adapters and extension cards etc Pierre your computer must look like a mechano set. :o
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: whenyournex2me on September 30, 2010, 10:19:35 pm
I am looking at comparing price wise only here, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129141&cm_re=ati-_-14-129-141-_-Product

now I will see the performance difference with some more research.
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: Dark Mantis on September 30, 2010, 10:34:17 pm
The 5850 is the first 5xxx series card that is 256 bit.  Before that they are all 128 bit and that makes a big difference. They are good all round cards though.
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: whenyournex2me on September 30, 2010, 10:52:19 pm
I like it. Its described as a little bit stronger... in several places I've looked. Interesting.

However, benchmarks are showing that the 460 give apx 10 fps more avg, than the 5850....  It seems the 5870 is directly comparable to the gtx460. but there is a huge difference in price here, Which is again, why I chose to focus at the gtx 460. I think I will still go with EVGA gtx 460 and h20 them. The drive issues will prolly be solved soon anyway. Im not afraid to get my fingers dirty. If there is a problem, their will be a solution. I jsut hope that It wont cost me too much if it turns sour, hahaaha  has faith in Nvidia...
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: Fatman on October 01, 2010, 01:08:00 am
Hi there whenyournex2me, if you do go with this Corsiar GT Memory Model CMT6GX3M3A2000 (8/7) would you post back here and let us know if you have any issues? Thanx.
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 01, 2010, 09:14:08 am
I like it. Its described as a little bit stronger... in several places I've looked. Interesting.

However, benchmarks are showing that the 460 give apx 10 fps more avg, than the 5850....  It seems the 5870 is directly comparable to the gtx460. but there is a huge difference in price here, Which is again, why I chose to focus at the gtx 460. I think I will still go with EVGA gtx 460 and h20 them.

I think that you will find the 5870 is more powerful than the 460 and is more comparible to the 470. Your choice anyway.
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: whenyournex2me on October 01, 2010, 03:50:32 pm
meh. I Dont need the best of the best, I find results similar to a friends online, to be rather impressive.

(http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/7892/vantage885.png)

And I hope to model similar results.

(http://www.overclock.net/attachments/nvidia/164850d1279653001-playing-my-fosix-tee-gtx460onwatermodfc2.png)

(http://www.overclock.net/attachments/nvidia/164913d1279692066-playing-my-fosix-tee-gtx460onwatermodavp.png)

Besides debating the min differences in the performance of the gpu, Id like to keep focus to the build overall, and mainly to the Gigabyte products being used.

Fatman, If there is something you know about the memory and that model mobo, will you please let me in, but of course, I will be back to follow up with a review of the build. Im not sure if there is something you are not telling me, and that is sarcasm, or, you guy really dont have too many geeks installing the dominator gt modules nad really want to get in with the install or at least know if there are any issues, Both I respect, and thanks for looking into the thread. I hope I wont have any problems, Ill call Gigabyte and talk to some of their engineers before I do go out and buy the memory. Like I said, Im a first time builder, The reading Ive been doing for three years, doesnt make up for the lack of experience by any means. Im jsut looking for a lightning fast computer that wont become twice a mortgage payment...
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: Fatman on October 02, 2010, 07:20:13 am
whenyournex2me..............I have a I7 965 extreme sitting inside my desk draw alongside a set of Dominator-GT CMT6GX3M3A20008 set of ram. Now I have been waiting to purchase a x58 board like the UD7 but I am waiting for something with the USB 3 and marvel issues to be sorted so I can utlise them without the thought of running a bastardized version. So that is why i was asking for feedback regarding if the ram is ok. I think it will be fine, but I can't find anyone with it. So if you buy it let me know if it is fine. I do know that you won't be able to run it 24/7 at it's rated speed, but to 1600 would be excellent or even @ 1800. So plz let me know :-)
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: whenyournex2me on October 02, 2010, 04:20:08 pm
whenyournex2me..............I have a I7 965 extreme sitting inside my desk draw alongside a set of Dominator-GT CMT6GX3M3A20008 set of ram. Now I have been waiting to purchase a x58 board like the UD7 but I am waiting for something with the USB 3 and marvel issues to be sorted so I can utlise them without the thought of running a bastardized version. So that is why i was asking for feedback regarding if the ram is ok. I think it will be fine, but I can't find anyone with it. So if you buy it let me know if it is fine. I do know that you won't be able to run it 24/7 at it's rated speed, but to 1600 would be excellent or even @ 1800. So plz let me know :-)

Understood. I have found not too many posts or blogs or articles with any of the new x58 1366 mobo's using Dominator gt memory modules, so that sort of info atm is scarce. I have done some more research, quoted from a senior member on another forum, "2000mhz ram wont run at that speed without huge qpi/vtt voltages and will put alot of heat through the nb, its just not worth it imo, i would try and get 1800 or maybe 1866mhz ram."

SO thinking on this, makes me want to get a waterblock for the motherboard, so I can safely achieve faster speeds for stock performance in memory. I may get the ud7, because there is limited aftermarket parts for the ud5 atm,. Im assuming that the performance kick is at the u3, ud7 and ud9... for the x58 mobo's. Some companies are skipping the middle grade if you will, IDK, Tbh the board is so new that companies seem to maybe not have had enough time to get the ud5  AM parts in production? Idk,

I may get the ud7. But tbh the ud5 is already overkill for me.... I dont want to spend more money that I feel like I have too. The ud5 is my performance and price meeter, and tbh, I still want that board.

I am choosing to go with lower clock speed memory, if I do go with the ud5. prolly 1600 mhz for the ud5, and would go with 2000 with the ud7. But Im continuing to research.
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 02, 2010, 04:32:51 pm
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SO thinking on this, makes me want to get a waterblock for the motherboard, so I can safely achieve faster speeds for stock performance in memory. I may get the ud7, because there is limited aftermarket parts for the ud5 atm,.

Unless you are happy to void the warranty on your motherboard and strip all the Southbridge, Northbridge and power phase cooling pipes and assosiated heatsinks off, then the watercooling blocks are not going to help much. I take it when you mention the UD7 you have been looking at the watercooling block that is incorporated into the Northbridge cooler. It actually sits on top of a finned heatsink so it is not as efficient as you might expect and by pushing the memory that hard it will not be enough on it's own.
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: whenyournex2me on October 02, 2010, 04:55:07 pm
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SO thinking on this, makes me want to get a waterblock for the motherboard, so I can safely achieve faster speeds for stock performance in memory. I may get the ud7, because there is limited aftermarket parts for the ud5 atm,.

Unless you are happy to void the warranty on your motherboard and strip all the Southbridge, Northbridge and power phase cooling pipes and assosiated heatsinks off, then the watercooling blocks are not going to help much. I take it when you mention the UD7 you have been looking at the watercooling block that is incorporated into the Northbridge cooler. It actually sits on top of a finned heatsink so it is not as efficient as you might expect and by pushing the memory that hard it will not be enough on it's own.

This is very very helpful here, thank you so much!
This does raise a few more questions then.

will overclocking the cpu void the warranty on the motherboard?

What is the stock memory speed for the ud5>?

*there are a few listed with details of the mobo and Im confused I guess.
(if a mother boards details state, memory support 1066, 1333, 1600, 1866 ddr3 sdram then I assume only those freq, will work with that motherboard. if it stated 1066, 1333, 1866, then Id assume that only those freq's will work. but my question to the last example, would 1600 work though not listed my manufacturer? if its a speed in between the min and max?) realted, the ud5 detail description of the memory supported skips a few freq... but I hate to assume...






 
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 02, 2010, 05:08:53 pm
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(if a mother boards details state, memory support 1066, 1333, 1600, 1866 ddr3 sdram then I assume only those freq, will work with that motherboard. if it stated 1066, 1333, 1866, then Id assume that only those freq's will work. but my question to the last example, would 1600 work though not listed my manufacturer? if its a speed in between the min and max?) realted, the ud5 detail description of the memory supported skips a few freq... but I hate to assume...

And you would be quite right not to assume that. If you check you will find that 1600 Mhz is missing from quite a few spec sheets now. There have been problems running with it and the memory controllers on the CPU. That isn't to say that it is not possible to run 1600 but try and find a board that states it is compatible. I am running a UD7 with Corsair Dominator 1600 memory and it is rock solid.

Overclocking the motherboard/CPU will invalidate both warranties.

Stock memory speeds are the JEDEC standard ones and anything over them is basically an overclock ( although that won't affect your warranty as far as I know ;))
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: whenyournex2me on October 02, 2010, 08:20:42 pm
I understand that heat is a killer, but will overclocking hurt memory, cpu, mobo if its cool? what if its even cooler than running stock on air? I understood that overclocking can cause heat, and heat hurts the computer parts, but will my computers life span dec if I h2o it and overclock it?

(http://www.frozencpu.com/images/products/large/ex-blc-721_4.jpg)

The ud7 with a waterblock I like. though not in stock atm. I would 1600 dominator this ud7 and oc it if when h20's I would be still dependable and last a long time. If i need to replace it in 2 years then Please tell me, Ill keep it stock and stick with the ud5 and 1333 memory. :)
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 02, 2010, 09:14:00 pm
If done properly and with a setup like you posted there is no reason, as long as you don't go mad, that your components shouldn't last as long as normal. As you quite rightly said it is mainly the heat that kills although to a lesser extent frequency doesn't help. If you can keep the temperatures down you should be fine. The UD7 is a good solidly built motherboard with plenty of options and if you can get hold of the revision 1.0 model even better. Any other question just ask.  ;)
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: Wonderwrench on October 04, 2010, 01:33:08 pm
I like it. Its described as a little bit stronger... in several places I've looked. Interesting.

However, benchmarks are showing that the 460 give apx 10 fps more avg, than the 5850....  It seems the 5870 is directly comparable to the gtx460. but there is a huge difference in price here, Which is again, why I chose to focus at the gtx 460. I think I will still go with EVGA gtx 460 and h20 them.

I think that you will find the 5870 is more powerful than the 460 and is more comparible to the 470. Your choice anyway.

I agree. GTX 460= HD 5850, GTX 470= HD 5870. plus or minus some as it depends on the game etc. The GTX 460 is the best bang for the buck IMO.
I'm running an EVGA  GTX 460 1 gig card in the rig in my sig. I have had zero problems with it so far. Its near silent, runs cool and plays Crysis Warhead, Dirt 2 on max settings though my monitor only supports 1440x900. I would have gone ATI if Nvidia had not come out with the GTX460.
The GTX 465,470,480 suck to much power and run hot as a pistol. IMO both brands have bugs you need to pick which set of bugs you can live with.
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 04, 2010, 01:39:23 pm
Yes I would agree and it also depends on what software, games etc you are expecting to be running and the platform (Intel or AMD) that you are using.
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: Wonderwrench on October 04, 2010, 02:01:53 pm
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(if a mother boards details state, memory support 1066, 1333, 1600, 1866 ddr3 sdram then I assume only those freq, will work with that motherboard. if it stated 1066, 1333, 1866, then Id assume that only those freq's will work. but my question to the last example, would 1600 work though not listed my manufacturer? if its a speed in between the min and max?) realted, the ud5 detail description of the memory supported skips a few freq... but I hate to assume...

And you would be quite right not to assume that. If you check you will find that 1600 Mhz is missing from quite a few spec sheets now. There have been problems running with it and the memory controllers on the CPU. That isn't to say that it is not possible to run 1600 but try and find a board that states it is compatible. I am running a UD7 with Corsair Dominator 1600 memory and it is rock solid.

Overclocking the motherboard/CPU will invalidate both warranties.

Stock memory speeds are the JEDEC standard ones and anything over them is basically an overclock ( although that won't affect your warranty as far as I know ;))

Memory speed makes little real world difference on the 1366 i7 platform. 1066 is the stock speed for the 1366 i7 platform. The main reason for getting faster memory is it makes overclocking easier. First thing you need to know is how far do you want to go. 4 ghz or below or over 4 ghz. By default if you run a 200 base clock with a 20x multi you will be at 4 ghz and the memory will be running at 1600. By changing the CPU and or ram multipliers you can increase or decrease the speeds of both to some degree if needed. If your not going to exceed 4 ghz there is no need to get ram faster then 1600. If you are going for all you can get then you may want to think about ram faster than 1600.
See this article at Anandtech for more info on memory performance on the i7 platform. http://www.anandtech.com/show/2792

Bill
 
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: whenyournex2me on October 04, 2010, 07:57:54 pm
Thanks for the replies and help guys. :) 

Ok So it seems I am still confident in getting the x58a-ud5 with 1600 dominator memory modules. I dont need to buy the gt's and can save money here, I see the performance gain is only when extreme overclocking is taking place. And I dont want to overclock anything to the point where Im really risking lifespan of hardware.

I stil lwant 2 gtx 460 stock in sli, but have been thinking on adding a physx card.

Any one have experience with this technology with that motherboard? Id like to run a x16 x16 x4 or x8 for physx. if possible.

I will be playing games like battlefield bc2, bf2142, eve online, crysis, myst/riven/exile, mirrors edge ect...

Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 04, 2010, 08:04:49 pm
Well I'm glad we haven't put you off  ;)
Th1600 Doms should be fine and I am sure you will find them more than enough for your requirements. I reckon the physx card will make a difference in the games you are playing and the GPUs should work well together.
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: GoodBytes on October 05, 2010, 02:20:35 am
Do you need a monitor? 'cause I can help you there. I know quiet a bit about computer monitor. And I will be happy to explain you this complex topic very simply.
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: whenyournex2me on October 05, 2010, 04:14:19 pm
Well, we do have a 26 inch 1920x1200 lcd monitor already but tbh wed like to get a second and Id like to get a third. A three monitor setup is my ultimate desire running from two cards, and a physx. I do not know anything about how this can be achieved so If you have any tips or info or resources to share, thatd be great :)
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 05, 2010, 04:28:43 pm
If you want true eyefinity(surround view) you need to use ATI cards.
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: GoodBytes on October 07, 2010, 11:31:34 pm
Well, we do have a 26 inch 1920x1200 lcd monitor already but tbh wed like to get a second and Id like to get a third. A three monitor setup is my ultimate desire running from two cards, and a physx. I do not know anything about how this can be achieved so If you have any tips or info or resources to share, thatd be great :)

Usually it is said that if you are getting a multiple monitor setup, it's best to get them all together to have:
 - The same revision
 - Coming from the same manufacture facility
 - Same internal components used.

Why?
Because, the back light lamp of the monitor. GE lamp (let's say) is not the same white as some other company lamp's. And a manufacture usually do buisness with several lamp manufacture to always ensure they have a continuous supply. Well the back light lamp of an LCD monitor is one of the things. A new revision of the monitor could mean the panel is different or different grade of the LCD liquid was used. Which can result in not the same colors. which is fine thing for an individual monitor, but when you have 2 or 3 next to each other.. you notice that your white is not the same on all other monitors. This is important for those who cares about colors. If you don't, then you have nothing to worry about.


Anyway, for your multiple display setup, you have different options.
 - You can get an ATi/AMD Radeon 5000 series which has multiple outputs.
 - You can get 2 graphic cards on the same system, allowing you to support 2 monitors (or in the case of the Nvida GTX 400 series, 3 monitors). Obviously more graphic cards, means more displays.
 - Get a specialized card with multiple outputs like select Quadro's or Matrox (yea, they still exist) cards. Although these are usually uber expensive or provide very low performance, as they are not designed to be gaming graphic cards.

It all comes down to: what do you do, what do you expect, and do you game or not. Oh and budget.
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 08, 2010, 09:21:19 am
[It all comes down to: what do you do, what do you expect, and do you game or not. Oh and budget.

It always comes down to budget!  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: whenyournex2me on October 08, 2010, 05:25:03 pm
I can spend as much of 2 grand if I want, But Id like to get some games too, and a comfy chair, new production monitors, another lcd monitor ect.

It seems I am forced to jump off the gtx460. I would be restricted in the future if I wanted to add a third card. I have to jump up to the 465 for 3 way sli. Im not sure what to do here. I was looking at 2x5770's tbh originally, and then jumped to the gtx460

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102858

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150497 this is a 2.1 x 16 lane. what is the difference from 2.0 pci-e?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129141&cm_re=5850-_-14-129-141-_-Product
Title: Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 08, 2010, 05:43:20 pm
TBH the 5770 would be a letdown for you compared to the 256 bit cards. You really need to look at the 5850 for power performance.