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Questions about GIGABYTE products => Motherboards with AMD processors => Topic started by: scjet on November 23, 2010, 04:35:27 pm
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This is more conversational, and probably more against ALL the Memory-manufacturing companies who are "still" so obviously biased towards Intel-based (P55,...) memory contorllers. In fact, we all know they "tweak" their memory crap for Intel....
In fact, most of theses manufactures obviously "LIE" about any of their DDR3's, ..., being "AMD ready" -huh?
-ya right !
Maybe AMD should do what they did (to a Memory-chip maker) when they decided it is time to BUY a Video-chip maker, namely "buy/own" ATI.
In other words, I wish AMD would do the same and buy a a mempry-chip maker, or better yet, design/make their own DDR3/4/5/.... Memory modules
Then we would NOT have this problem, (Lieing memory chip-makers and their products) EVER AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If nuthin' else it would scare the crap outta these mem-chip makers, who OBVIOUSLY forgotten about how to build memoty DIMM's properly.
(that was a pun BTW, get it ? Memory and "forgetting" ? )
;)
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And, the reason I am saying this is becuase I also own a:
MB: GA-890FXA-UD5 (Hardware Revision 2.0), yes with latest useless BIOS (F5)
CPU: Phenom II 1090T Black Edition -and this CPU Rocks ! -I'm very happy ;D
Memory: 2-Kits of Patriot Viper II Sector 5 (2 x 4GB per Kit) -8 Gig Kit, "PVV38G1600LLK-DDR3-1600Mhz"
(all 4 Banks are filled for a total of 16 Gigs)
Anwyay, what a waste of $%#!!!@$ money on Patriot ram, I cannot even get that Ram to clock at 1333, in fact,
it is "locked" at 1066 MHz. wow, I paid for DDR3-1600MHz Ram that can only run at 1066MHz ??
I have checked dozens of OC'ing techniques and all to no avail.
I am definitely NOT pleased with AMD memory contollers or this Patriot memory.
>:(
AMD should have solved this Memory-contoller issue a long time ago _ I blame AMD
why?, becuase in the end its the "coach" who has to burden blame and not pass it off to his players' !!!
Anway, Hey Gigabyte and AMD, would you people mind getting all this fixed soon ?
Thankyou.
Rick.
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Don't hold your breath.
AMD decided to set the Memory Controllers on the AM3 for 1333 MHz or slower (depending on CPU and motherboard) at the design stage because they noticed issues with RAM running above that speed. Only hope is that the new AM3+ Processors, when they come along, will have this particular issue sorted out, but I'm not convinced that they will.
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Don't hold your breath.
I was hoping not to hear that, but ya, u're right -> @absic "...don't hold breath...". ;)
The 1090T is the best bang-for-buck hands down, I know, 'cause I own Both types, and I need to run Adobe Premiere Pro CS5-64bit, for 1080P video editing/encoding. and ya, So you might think, well then, what 'da heck is my problem ?
I got none,
except, why should we "The CONSUMER" pay for memory that can't even run at it's rated speed,.... ???
It's just a shame to make this AMD 6-Core "Ferrari" race on country roads with potholes <-like these MEMORY issues are !!!!
But this is an extremely important issue for amd to deal with (U would think eh ?!). And, as long as Intel is top-dog then Intel will "pay" memory manufactureers to make Ram work on their controllers better than on AMD memory-controllers -like DUH !!!
Like I said, I'm sry for going politically/conversational on this issue, but AMD will have to do "1" of 2 things.
Either they work, more tightly with mem-makers along the AMD mem-controller issues,...
Or,
AMD designs/builds/ and makes Mem modules for us.
I actually hope for the latter, 'cause then that will END the final "IBM/Intel/...PC" stronghold on the "x86" architecture-based PC's ....
And, lets face it, Its a Home-"Server"-based world now, and NOT just a "Windows-only-subservient" client-based PC world.
Cheers,
Rick.
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So do any of the AMD Guru guys/gals here have a "GOOD" DDR3/memory recommendation for me, other than trying to call the CEO of AMD and/or Gigabyte ? ;)
It's For this setup:
MB: GA-890FXA-UD5 (Hardware Revision 2.0), yes with latest BIOS (F5)
CPU: Phenom II 1090T Black Edition (-and this CPU Rocks ! -I'm very happy)
(Right now, I have this crap): Memory: 2-Kits of Patriot Viper II Sector 5 (2 x 4GB per Kit) -8 Gig Kit, "PVV38G1600LLK-DDR3-1600Mhz"
(all 4 Banks are filled for a total of 16 Gigs) trouble is -it only runs at 1066 MHz ?
Anyway, I will NEED to fill ALL 4 DDR3-memory banks, for the maximum of 16-Gigs.
Should I go for this ? :
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/configurator_new/partsinfo.asp?root=us&LinkBack=http://www.kingston.com&ktcpartno=KVR1333D3N9K2/8G
( this is according to Kingston ram recommendations for the GA-890FXA-UD5 MB, but, I mean who can you trust right ?)
;)
Any suggestions at all, will of course be greatly apreeciated.
Thanks.
Rick.
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http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3519#ov
Click on memory support list and you'll know what will run for sure. Mind you, most RAM out there should run on your board fine. I mean, I have OCZ Intel XMP DDR3 sticks running in an AMD build. Overclocked, actually.
Now that I thought about it - I'm not sure about Thuban but, at least early on, the max speed for 4 sticks of RAM was 1066Mhz for AM3. If it still holds true then it'd be normal for your RAM to clock down.
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thanks for the reply "byetheway_r"
I'm deciding to go for the "stable"-recommended Kingston DDR3's, 'cause I'm filling all banks. But, this crap better work at atleat 1333 MHz !!!?
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Sadly, I actually followed Gigabyte's so-called OVL Memory list, which is why I bought those crappy Patriot Ram in the 1st place.
Gigabyte, is unfortuantely, no better than all the other "Lieing" MB maker's as far as memory compatability for "AMD"-based MB's go.
and SHAME on Gigabyte for this !!! yep, that's all I can say.
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Personally I think you have been going about this in the wrong way. I would have used the Crucial or Corsair websites and found what memory they guarranteed to work with the motherboard and then if there is any problem you have more recourse.
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Sadly, I actually followed Gigabyte's so-called OVL Memory list, which is why I bought those crappy Patriot Ram in the 1st place.
Gigabyte, is unfortuantely, no better than all the other "Lieing" MB maker's as far as memory compatability for "AMD"-based MB's go.
and SHAME on Gigabyte for this !!! yep, that's all I can say.
This is actually making it even more likely that there's a bios caused limit for 4 slots filled. Try taking one or 2 sticks out and see if it'll be possible to run it at it's rated spec. You may need to set it in bios but it should be able to run at 1600Mhz.
I'll agree that all 3 - RAM, MB and CPU makers should be up front about these things but that's just how it is in this world. You have to do your own research before buying things or be prepared to have problems later on.
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I do agree that there is a lot of underhanded work going on especially from AMD regarding the capability of their chips to handle speeds in excess of 1333. Even now they do not make it clear to prospective purchasers.
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Thanks for the tips, and ya, I guess now I am not going buying this:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/configurator_new/partsinfo.asp?root=us&LinkBack=http://www.kingston.com&ktcpartno=KVR1333D3N9K2/8G
I have to fill ALL banks (I need the 16 Gigs for Adobe Premiere Pro CS5 64-bit application....)
even with these Kingston 1333's, I am now afraid with all 4 banks filled it will clock down to 1066, just like my present Patriot Rams.
I guess the best thing is stick with my (4x4Gig-1600Mhz) Patriot Ram
AMD's am3-memory controller can work at 1333 with 2 sticks, but if you put 4 sticks (ala fill all banks) then it will clock down to 1066 ?
ahh well, It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. ?
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Hi there,
If you are using 1600MHz RAM then it should default to 1333MHz that's what my 8Gig Corsair Dominator has done and I'm using all 4 slots on my Motherboard. I think you should be able to run at that speed even if using 16 Gig.
Have you tried manually setting the speed to 1333MHz? You may need to up the voltage a bit on the RAM to get it stable but the 1090T CPU should be able to handle all your RAM without a problem.
If not, do what I did and telephone AMD directly and speak to one of their Technical guys. They are very helpful and also you can tell them exactly what you think of AMD's advertising strategy! :P
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MB: GA-890FXA-UD5 (Hardware Revision 2.0), yes with latest BIOS (F6)
CPU: Phenom II 1090T Black Edition
Memory: 2-Kits of Patriot Viper II Sector 5 (2 x 4GB per Kit) -8 Gig Kit, "PVV38G1600LLK-DDR3-1600Mhz"
(all 4 Banks are filled for a total of 16 Gigs) trouble is -it only runs at 1066 MHz ?
-ok, I removed DDR3 banks 1/2, and left the 3/4 installed.
I was able to set Mem/clk to 1333MHz,and it booted fine,
but if I fill all the banks again, bios complains (hit F1 / Del) and I have to let it Auto-set back to 1066Mhz ?
I haven't tried turning up the DDR voltage, but in Bios right now it is 1.51 Volts, and my Patriot memory is rated at 1.65V. Is it fairly safe to crank that up to say 1.6 Volts ?
Anyway, you have 8 Gigs of Ram when all 4 banks are filled on your MB. The reason I ask is becuase I'm wondering if that may be partially my problem, Maxed out memory on this board is 16 Gigs. ?
Thanks again
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I only have 8Gig of ram 4X2Gig sticks.
Voltage can be cranked quite safely up to 1.64V and even a little higher although you shouldn't need to.
If still having trouble try loosening the timings. My RAM is rated at 8,8,8,24 but is actually running at 9,9,9,27.
Make sure you're running in Unganged Mode
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I only have 8Gig of ram 4X2Gig sticks.
Voltage can be cranked quite safely up to 1.64V and even a little higher although you shouldn't need to.
If still having trouble try loosening the timings. My RAM is rated at 8,8,8,24 but is actually running at 9,9,9,27.
Make sure you're running in Unganged Mode
Hey Thanks buddy :)
as you might have guessed I ain't much of an OC'er. I assumed if I tried to set my Memory (ie: the Memory clk to 1600MHz ?) it would automatically adjust all else including Voltages if need be.... ?
But ya, I increased the DDR Voltage to 1.61 Volts (but NOT any other Voltages) and it appreasr to be running stable at 1333Mhz, I also verified this with CPU-Z, and Sandra-benchmarkers). I'm gonna run some more heavy load testing just to be sure it id stable.
So, Do you think If I crank the Voltage up to around 1.65 <-> 1.7 I could get 1600 MhZ ? ;)
BTW: with your settings/tweaks are you able to achieve 1600MHz with your Corsair Dominators ?
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Hi,
yes I can get 1600MHz from my RAM but I have kept it at 1300MHZ. I don't want to ruin the CPU and I have had a lot of e-mails, PM's and seen so many threads where people think they can run 1600MHz and do so for a period of time, then have their CPU's fall over that I won't risk it.
With your particular set-up and what you are using the PC for (I do similar work by the way) you are better off leaving your RAM at 1333MHz and then looking to up the speed of the CPU, if you have a good cooler, not the stock AMD one. Remember though O/C'ing the CPU isn't supported by AMD so you do so at your own risk.
You should be able to get it to run at 3.8GHz without too much trouble, just by upping the CPU Clock multiplier to 19X and leaving everything else alone. I have achieved this with the F5 BIOS but haven't tried yet with the new F6 version.
If you do go down this path though, you will also need to disable the Turbo Control feature in BIOS under M.I.T. and also the Core Boost too. I am still playing with this motherboard and haven't done much in the way of overclocking yet but I have struggled to get my CPU above the 3.8GHz and am planning on pushing it further later on, to see what I can actually get. On my old motherboard I did have it up to 4.2GHz so I know it should reach that.
EDIT:
Just tried with the F6 BIOS and it works too. This is on the Rev2.1 motherboard.
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I also noticed that with the F6 BIOS my RAM Timings have changed to 9,9,9,24
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I'll run some more tests, it kinda "burped" under a load, , However, when I increased V -> 1.65, it passed the stress test, however, as you mentioned, I will have to adjust some timings as well.
I tried 1600MhZ (with 1.65 V) and it cycled up but froze when Win7 was coming up. I'll have to leave it at 1333, or 1066.
So this really confirms our AMD's AM3 controller limitations, and also the fact that Memory rated at 1.5V (more headroom) is much better than memory rated at 1.65 Volts.
- I'm pretty sure that might help as well. I'd like to know if anyone with 1.5V DDR3's has been successful ?
But, as far as OC'ing the CPU - yup, that has no problems, like you said, as long as I leave everything else default's/AUTO (and disable the CPU turbo-core stuff as well).
It has only been when I tried to bring the memory to its rated 1600 MHz that I've been going NUTZ !
-Hey, thanks again, for the very handy tips though.
:)
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Well, with all slots filled you may need up to 1.7v to run stable at 1600Mhz.
and also the fact that Memory rated at 1.5V (more headroom) is much better than memory rated at 1.65 Volts.
This is only partially true. Sure, it's better to have RAM rated at lower volts but it doesn't mean it'll have more headroom than higher voltage RAM. Good example being G.Skill's Eco series. They're rated at ultra low 1.35v but it doesn't mean you can overclock them to insane values with voltage of 1.7v+. From what I've seen they reach best results around 1.5-1.6v and upping volts any higher actually decreases stability.
But, as far as OC'ing the CPU - yup, that has no problems, like you said, as long as I leave everything else default's/AUTO (and disable the CPU turbo-core stuff as well).
It has only been when I tried to bring the memory to its rated 1600 MHz that I've been going NUTZ !
Ahhh, the joys of overclocking, right? ;D
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http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/phenom-ii-x6-memory.html
The above article based on the "Best DDR3 SDRAM for AMD Phenom II X6" is prety good, it goes into some important details regarding memory timings, north-bridge freq. limitations, ..., with some interesting benchmarks tests.
-a good read.
Of course, I still don't know how he got his Patriot Ram running stable at "1600Mhz" ??? but with some more patience we'll get her.
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Of course, I still don't know how he got his Patriot Ram running stable at "1600Mhz" but with some more patience we'll get there.
Only trouble is if you do get there you are likely to fry your CPUs memory controllers! :o
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Of course, I still don't know how he got his Patriot Ram running stable at "1600Mhz"
He's only using 2 sticks of RAM 1 per Channel. Easy when you know how. Wonder how he would get on with 8 Gig or 16 Gig of RAM though?
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I've been successfully running 16GB of RAM on the 890FAX-UD5 for a few days now. They're G.Skill Ripjaws F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL DDR3-1333 PC3-10666 1.5v from Newegg. I also need all that RAM for Adobe CS4. I plan to eventually do some mild overclocking of the 1090T BE, but my rig is air-cooled, and this is also my only PC, so I can'r risk going too crazy.