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Title: Some info on Intel's 22nm 3D Ivy Bridge Processors
Post by: absic on May 05, 2011, 10:44:44 am
Anyone interested in the design of Intels new 22 nm 3D Ivy Bridge Processors should take a look at this article on the BBC website: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13283882
Title: Re: Some info on Intel's 22nm 3D Ivy Bridge Processors
Post by: Dark Mantis on May 05, 2011, 12:58:05 pm
Thanks absic that was a well written article and very interesting. ;)
Title: Re: Some info on Intel's 22nm 3D Ivy Bridge Processors
Post by: Aussie Allan on May 05, 2011, 01:22:29 pm
Anyone interested in the design of Intels new 22 nm 3D Ivy Bridge Processors should take a look at this article on the BBC website: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13283882

 I wish I was my eight year old son!   what he will enjoy in the next 40yrs...........14 nano-metres....might start looking into Cryo-storage!

 Aussie Allan
Title: Re: Some info on Intel's 22nm 3D Ivy Bridge Processors
Post by: Dark Mantis on May 05, 2011, 01:46:06 pm
I never like the thought of Cryo as it always seems a bit cold to me and I am definitely a summer person! ;D Besides in 40 years I don't even think they will still be using silicon it will more likely be biological.
Title: Re: Some info on Intel's 22nm 3D Ivy Bridge Processors
Post by: Aussie Allan on May 05, 2011, 02:53:15 pm


 You worm Fud guy you......I intend to be asleep first!

 Aussie Allan
Title: Re: Some info on Intel's 22nm 3D Ivy Bridge Processors
Post by: Dark Mantis on May 05, 2011, 02:56:21 pm
No wurms where I am going. Far too hot! They would be crispy! ;D

And you won't be so happy when they wake you up and all your appendages drop off through frostbite! :o
Title: Re: Some info on Intel's 22nm 3D Ivy Bridge Processors
Post by: Aussie Allan on May 05, 2011, 03:43:11 pm

 Hasn't worried the wife for the last ten years!.....OOOOOHHHHHHHHH! bellow the belt that one!
Title: Re: Some info on Intel's 22nm 3D Ivy Bridge Processors
Post by: Dark Mantis on May 05, 2011, 04:15:54 pm
I don't think we  had better go down that road but it does add a new meaning to stiffie! ;D
Title: Re: Some info on Intel's 22nm 3D Ivy Bridge Processors
Post by: bytheway_r on May 07, 2011, 03:05:04 pm
I don't even want to think how you guys went from talking about new CPU architecture to this ::).

The idea seems interesting, wonder if it'll work on the first gen, though. Seems like a big change. AMD said they won't be pursuing 3D transistors for now and I hope it won't be a mistake on their part.
Title: Re: Some info on Intel's 22nm 3D Ivy Bridge Processors
Post by: Dark Mantis on May 07, 2011, 03:12:20 pm
Chinese whispers!

I do think that whilst it is a chance to take as with all new innovations AMD are taking more of a chance by not embracing it. From  the little I know about it that does seem to be the way forward.
Title: Re: Some info on Intel's 22nm 3D Ivy Bridge Processors
Post by: bytheway_r on May 07, 2011, 03:29:51 pm
I have this inkling that AMD may want to milk the 32nm for longer than Intel so that could be their reason for saying that they won't go this way just yet. I'm assuming that "enhanced" Bulldozer will still be 32nm as they probably can't afford jumping production processes like Intel.
Title: Re: Some info on Intel's 22nm 3D Ivy Bridge Processors
Post by: Dark Mantis on May 07, 2011, 03:48:28 pm
Yes that would make a lot of sense as to why they are not looking that interested at the moment.
Title: Re: Some info on Intel's 22nm 3D Ivy Bridge Processors
Post by: Aussie Allan on May 07, 2011, 04:33:57 pm

 With just 19% of the market, AMD just don't have the R&D budget to toy around with like Intel......They need a phenomenal Processor in the next five years or 19% is going to look good in retrospect..........It might not be the financial climate for gambling but they do need "Something" soon to set them apart and kick start what they had .....Unfortunately....... Unless something happens soon, they could be ripe for a merger or a bullish takeover. ...........could you imagine something like........AppleMD.........that would get Intel watching there "6"

 Allan Thomson 
Title: Re: Some info on Intel's 22nm 3D Ivy Bridge Processors
Post by: Dark Mantis on May 07, 2011, 04:41:21 pm
That would certainly make for a more even playing field and would be interesting to see what would be put forward. As long as they didn't follow A**le's idea of not being able to do your own repairs etc!
Title: Re: Some info on Intel's 22nm 3D Ivy Bridge Processors
Post by: Aussie Allan on May 07, 2011, 07:44:21 pm

 I'm pretty active in the photographic field from club circuit to reviews in imaging hardware/software......Just about every man and his dog in this area are viciously ardent MAC fans , and presently to tell the truth for the average Joy Blogs with deep pockets, and moderate computing needs there really not that bad at all!

   Photographic software (CS5/CaptureOne/HDR and Plugins) are becoming more and more demanding outstripping "Moore's Law" for Apple and PC,.......... why do you think they slashed there wrists and got into bed with Intel over the G5 fiasco! .... and it's only going to get better/worse depending how it effects you and I.

 CUDA and Mercury support was/is a major step forward in combining GPU/CPU to perform a given function and was really done out of necessity as the software is now being held back by the hardware.......the performance tab in CS5 (PhotoShop) with the right hardware connected can accelerate your workflow to a considerable margin , but that a whole different story.

 I would love to see some of the hardware innovation that Apple has implemented over the years across more platforms......ever seen how a iMac (Laptop) connects to it's power supply?.........no real jack per-say but a bloody magnet catch!! How cool is that!.......ever had to replace a whole laptop just because the jack socket has come away from the mainboard, ... a very frustrating repair at the least.

 Going from 32nm to 22nm is really academic........there fast reaching the self imposed  limit , not with die-shrink but with currently used materials, architecture and thermal dissipation of the physical die......"Prediction".... Who ever cracks Diamond layer depositing (DLD) who knows! but this will see the biggest advancement in miniature chip manufacturer against performance we'll see in our lifetime.

 Because of the electrical nature and density of diamond , layers of just a few atoms theoretically can work with less gate leakage then is present in processors we use today.....then there's the biggie!....Ability to dissipate heat..........measured in Thermal conductivity (W·m−1·K−1) we are all familiar with copper, has a rating of about 385...........Pure glass (Silica) has a rating of just"1"... which is one of the reasons why we cook our processors so easily..........synthetic diamond defies belief clocking up...........3,300K .....do you know how fast this could eject heat to the heatsink?? or because of the vastly superior electrical nature what sort of speeds where talking about ???   Again who really knows but a processor running at 6 times the temp, ...8x the speed and even all the memory you could possibly need is thermodynamically and theoretically possible...........Wow! that was a mouth full but gets the point across nicely

 Aussie Allan

 
Title: Re: Some info on Intel's 22nm 3D Ivy Bridge Processors
Post by: absic on May 07, 2011, 08:01:31 pm
So bang goes my home built rubber band driven jobby then!

Anyone want a steam engine?
Title: Re: Some info on Intel's 22nm 3D Ivy Bridge Processors
Post by: Aussie Allan on May 07, 2011, 08:29:07 pm
So bang goes my home built rubber band driven jobby then!

Anyone want a steam engine?

  Let your grand kids take it to the Antique fair on Mars!.........Some Noob on the OCZ forum posted a "Errrrrrrr Don't really know what I'm looking at but are these benches OK?".......Two new Vertex3s in raid 0......1200 read, 1100 write!......... Booga eating Ice hole!....hahahahahahahahah!

 Allan Thomson
Title: Re: Some info on Intel's 22nm 3D Ivy Bridge Processors
Post by: absic on May 07, 2011, 08:55:27 pm
Some people shouldn't be allowed near PC components!!!  ;D

Funny thing is though, no matter how fast the PC, after using it for a few weeks, it always appears to be slow.

That's what I tell my wife when she complains that I'm slow........ Funny 'cos my 1st wife always complained that I was too quick! :o
Title: Re: Some info on Intel's 22nm 3D Ivy Bridge Processors
Post by: Aussie Allan on May 07, 2011, 09:19:56 pm

 Yes!...  unfortunately there all rather similar, .. My first wife complained about my computer habit consistently....sadly she fell off a bridge in 98, ... my second wife complained about my photography...........she fell off a boat and drowned in 2003.........my present wife complains about both but won't let me stand behind her!

 Aussie Allan