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Questions about GIGABYTE products => Motherboards with Intel processors => Topic started by: kristoffer on November 03, 2011, 08:58:20 am
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Anyone have a clue how I could "silence" my Velociraptors (I have a 4 HD setup - SSD for OS, 2x Velociraptors in Raid0 for Audio and a 7200rpm for samples)
I've located my most noisy part of the computer to the Velociraptors, anyone have a clue if it is possible to reduce the noise of these in a way?
It is in a fairly good sound dampened case (see signature) and they have a rubber dampening of some kind also (case standard). It is not resonance noise, I'd say.
Would this item might be worth it?
http://www.quietpc.com/gb-en-gbp/products/harddrivesolutions/smartdrive-neo (http://www.quietpc.com/gb-en-gbp/products/harddrivesolutions/smartdrive-neo)
Or should I replace my velociraptors?
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Welcome kristoffer
To give a balanced, informed reply...........I need to know the size of the Raptors ....GB.?
Aussie Allan
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::) ah, they are 150GB each.
So the raid array is 300GB.
I really dont need that much though - atleast not yet.
I'd rather exchange them for a 120GB SSD if that makes more sense.
But AFAIK SSDs for Audio is not reccomended.
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kristoffer
At £80 a pop.........spending £160 + ship to have 2 ageing Rators running quieter just doesn't make good sense to me!
When you consider you can buy say 2 x 120 GB OCZ Agility 3s for about £60-£70 more and get....
Silent running with less Amp draw
Maybe up to 1000Mb/s read and write speeds in Raid0
And claw back some real-estate inside your case
or
Buy 1 x 240Gb unit of the above......which will still outperform the Raptors ......then add the second at a later date for 480Gb of lightening quick SSD under Raid0
.......Your Money......Your call ;)
Aussie Allan
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yes, but is SSD for audio a good thing? ;D
I've seen several treads which claims that this is not reccomended.
(dont remember if that was because of the file size or what)
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Hi kristoffer,
Not sure what kind of audio files you are using but I do a lot of multi-track recording using Cubase. The OS is installed onto a an SSD and I use another couple of SSD's as my main recording disks. These have presented no problems for me and the only real difference is the speed at which everything is accessed and utilised.
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The INTERNET is only as good as the person that posts on it......data is data......zero's and one's.......whether it comes from an memory stick, a SSD or a spinning glass platter......the computer does not differentiate .
If your lucky enough to look at any modern DJ console......all the music is on SD cards.......if this was the case, every DJ worth his salt would still be using Bakelite or Vinyl :o
Aussie Allan
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Absic and Allan: I'm using Sonar as my DAW, so Cubase would be just the same.
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Hi again kristoffer,
I don't see there being any problems with Sonar and working with your recorded audio files on SSD's. As AA has said this is one way of keeping the noise of the computer down and you know, as well as I do, how important that is in a recording environment.
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kristoffer
At £80 a pop.........spending £160 + ship to have 2 ageing Rators running quieter just doesn't make good sense to me!
When you consider you can buy say 2 x 120 GB OCZ Agility 3s for about £60-£70 more and get....
Silent running with less Amp draw
Maybe up to 1000Mb/s read and write speeds in Raid0
And claw back some real-estate inside your case
or
Buy 1 x 240Gb unit of the above......which will still outperform the Raptors ......then add the second at a later date for 480Gb of lightening quick SSD under Raid0
.......Your Money......Your call ;)
Aussie Allan
Just a comment to this one:
Isn't SATA 6GB/s a must to get those speeds?
I've looked for a Agility 3 now, but I think to get about 550MB/s you have to use the 6GB/s ports.
And those are on my UD3R 2.0 the Marvell 9128 chip :o
Isnt that the one we are trying to avoid? :P
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There's always alternatives..... most people forget that Sata2 is good for 500Mb/s per channel on the ICH10R theoretical .... you wont get 550 , but you'll be close.
Or you can go the Raid card route ....even here it's a double edged sword......I have a raid card with TWO 9128 chips embedded in it but it performs well, Go figure! .... I think in hind sight it's what the 9128 chip is configured with (hardware wise) that governs weather it performs or not!
Aussie Allan
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Ah. 500mb/s would be nice enough :D (to start with, ofcourse.... I suppose after two weeks it is not ::))
It was one of the auctions I saw, where it stated about 250mb/s with SATA II, and 525mb/s with SATA III.
Cant find this somewhere else, so probably not correct :)
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The details absic and Allan have given you regarding the drives are quite correct and don't believe all that you read on some of these other sites. Personally I think that a couple of the OCZ drives in a RAID0 would be your best bet especially now that they have managed to get TRIM working on them in a RAID configuration now it saves having to break the RAID every so often to do a secure erase and then reconfigure it again.
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250 does sound a little low.....Maybe on a rather poor controller this might be true......the Marvel 9128 controller although SataIII gave these types of numbers but this was just one controller out of many.
The Intel ICH10R controller is a very mature Controller with over a decade of development to back them up.
Aussie Allan
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So I have a plan then :)
Get a Agility 3 and use my ICH10R for now, and when I get the second drive I'll upgrade my raid controller ;D
(I suppose a Raid0 with SATA II also is limited to 500mb/s?)
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Not necessarily......the stated theoretical limit of 500Mb/s is per Channel/port you'll just have to give it a whirl .
Aussie Allan
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Not necessarily......the stated theoretical limit of 500Mb/s is per Channel/port you'll just have to give it a whirl .
Aussie Allan
utterly incorrect - each port on the ICH10R will do the max of SATA2
& ICH10R will do a max of ~600MB/s
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4159/ocz-vertex-3-pro-preview-the-first-sf2500-ssd/5
^ notice in the graphs that some SSDs are shown twice: once with (6Gbps) behind name, & once without (thus SATA2 port / 3Gbps) - are hence the different numbers for the exact same benchmark.. you'll also find that any benchmark done with SATA2 (so no brackets behind name etc) will never be over ~250MB/s - the max of SATA@
so 2x SATA2 SSD = close to the max of the ICH10R
& 2x SATA3 SSD = bandwidth limited by ICH10R
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utterly incorrect - each port on the ICH10R will do the max of SATA2
& ICH10R will do a max of ~600MB/s
Wow!.....your pretty eloquent with words and what size shoe do you have ?
Because I must be better with computers then I thought, ........the Raid5 array I just retired 7 months ago use to get 682Mb/s over the ICH10R :D
Using a single source to quote data from is a recipe for a foot sandwich ;)
Aussie Allan
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utterly incorrect - each port on the ICH10R will do the max of SATA2
& ICH10R will do a max of ~600MB/s
Wow!.....your pretty eloquent with words and what size shoe do you have ?
Because I must be better with computers then I thought, ........the Raid5 array I just retired 7 months ago use to get 682Mb/s over the ICH10R :D
Using a single source to quote data from is a recipe for a foot sandwich ;)
Aussie Allan
better to quote one reliable source than none ::)
R5 = minimum 3 drives - you said you got 682MB/s over ICH10R - sounds about right
but ~550MB/s from a single SATA2 port? never
quit the arrogant & ignorant posts mate - doesn't bode well for you nor clear & good info
edit: another link for you - http://www.anandtech.com/show/2973/6gbps-sata-performance-amd-890gx-vs-intel-x58-p55/5
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Fair enough mate ( tiro_uspsss ) but where both Australians and perceived to have skin as thick as Queensland Bush pigs..... ;)
There was no o fence intended this end...... just a taking the pith sense of humor that gets me into trouble over hear continuously !
Never said 550mb/s .....did say 500 theoreticall......not physical.......best Ive seen was on a mates rig with 486Mb/s off a single port...and the best Ive seen on a fairly reputable review was a 706Mb.s .....
http://blog.whitesites.com/SSD-RAID-0-Benchmarks-for-Intel-ICH10R-ASUS-P6T-Deluxe__634257865192650000_blog.htm..
But arguing about nothing really......would rather have a decent pissing competition / discussion about something worth while
So where are you anyway .....and what cha running.......are prices still OK in OZ or getting stupid like here?
PS I work pretty Hard for my Karmas.......1500 posts takes a lot of hard work and happy customers.....do you think it fair to knock around my Karmas when I wasn't even working on anything you asked ? ..... Definitely not Australian......and if it wasn't you .....who ever....not nice!
Aussie Allan
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Fair enough mate ( tiro_uspsss ) but where both Australians and perceived to have skin as thick as Queensland Bush pigs..... ;)
There was no o fence intended this end...... just a taking the pith sense of humor that gets me into trouble over hear continuously !
Never said 550mb/s .....did say 500 theoreticall......not physical.......best Ive seen was on a mates rig with 486Mb/s off a single port...and the best Ive seen on a fairly reputable review was a 706Mb.s .....
http://blog.whitesites.com/SSD-RAID-0-Benchmarks-for-Intel-ICH10R-ASUS-P6T-Deluxe__634257865192650000_blog.htm..
But arguing about nothing really......would rather have a decent pissing competition / discussion about something worth while
So where are you anyway .....and what cha running.......are prices still OK in OZ or getting stupid like here?
Aussie Allan
no offence taken.. & I mean not to be argumentative but the numbers you state for a single SATA2 port are unbelievable - I'd *love* to see some HDTune screenies/whatever - the above link you gave is for a 3x SSD R0 - which would get close to the max of the ICH10R obviously, which I agree with you is.. 600MB/s or something ridiculous like that... like I said, not a chance there is such a thing as going beyond ~250MB/s from *any SATA2 port - it'd be out spec! ;D
in Perth.. noticed your OH in contrast to your local ??? :P you bloody traitor! :P hope it rains cats & dogs on you! :D what do you do when the cricket is on now?!? :P :D
I'm running nothing, cause nothing is working (thank you UD7 for not liking my E5640 ES >:( )
prices? for SSDs? same ol' same ol' - europe's always been an expensive place to live :( I feel for ya - seriously :(
its HDDs that cost an arm & a leg - but I suspect that's world wide anyway (floods..thailand..etc)
:thumbup:
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Don't worry Allan's always bemoaning the fact that he is stuck over here in this refridgerator and it isn't even winter yet! I can't imagine what dragged him kicking and screaming all the way from sunny oz, I must admit there is no way I would have left there to come to rip off England!
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Wow.
I had no idea I would start a war...
(http://www.improvresourcecenter.com/mb/images/smilies/popcorn.gif)
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Not necessarily......the stated theoretical limit of 500Mb/s is per Channel/port you'll just have to give it a whirl .
Aussie Allan
I'll probably try one Agility 3 first - I think 450 mb/s probably is enought for audio DAW work :D
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Wow.
I had no idea I would start a war...
No Kristoffer ... we like to think of it as a slightly warm, technically motivated discussion, heavy weapons and tactical Nukes are not permitted.
;D
Aussie Allan
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Wow.
I had no idea I would start a war...
No Kristoffer ... we like to think of it as a slightly warm, technically motivated discussion, heavy weapons and tactical Nukes are not permitted.
;D
Aussie Allan
BAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA :D
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Damn, just when it was starting to look interesting...... ::)
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??? I didnt even have the time to reach out for my 3D glasses?
And its over? :o
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Stay tuned.....just reloading! 8)...........AA
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and diggin' in!
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Wow.
I had no idea I would start a war...
No Kristoffer ... we like to think of it as a slightly warm, technically motivated discussion, heavy weapons and tactical Nukes are not permitted.
;D
Aussie Allan
BAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA :D
Credit where it's due tiro_uspsss.......the best I could dig-up was a paltry 269.88Mb/s off a singe Sata II port .....
http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Solid-State-Drives-SSD/Marvell-Vs-ICH10R-Vs-Highpoint-640-Single-RAID/td-p/18454
But also covers the Highpoint 640 and what a good work around it turned out to be for me and many other with suckish Sata III performance boards.
Thanks for the motivation as well.......the above link has a nice little explanation as to why the Marvell 88SE9128 never performed and never will
Quite an interesting read.......still might have to try sticking 4 Vertex3s on the 640 an see what it can do!
As to the lovely weather you wished upon me.......I'll have you know we had not 2 but 3 sunny days this summer..... and the heatwave had T.V updates every half hour reminding people to keep up there fluids...........it hit 27C
Your Mate.....Aussie Allan
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Well, Agility 3 SSD on the way then...
Just hope its not using too long time from the US :P
Anyone interested in 2x of 160BG Velciraptors? ;D
They perform very well:
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l223/kristoffer10/diverse/31-juli-2011_11-55VraptorRaid.png)
But since I am actually seated on top of my computer and a project studio is all about silence, they are too noisy (as all mechanical HDDs) for me.
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Hi kristoffer and friends,
Just note that the MLC Nand Flash chips SF-2281 SSD that equip, are problematic.
So watch out for Vertex and Agility 3 that have them.
Vertex II models have problems with the output of S3 sleep. Many BSOD.
The 5400 rpm drives are quieter. Like the Samsung EcoGreen F4. 29dB.
Disks Western Digital Caviar Green WD20EARS have a 25-26dB.
This latter seems better than the Samsung.
If not 7200rpm, there is the Caviar Black WD have a 34dB.
Please note that a difference of 10dB is perceived as two (2) times stronger.
Gloup
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Hi kristoffer and friends,
Just note that the MLC Nand Flash chips SF-2281 SSD that equip, are problematic.
So watch out for Vertex and Agility 3 that have them.
Vertex II models have problems with the output of S3 sleep. Many BSOD.
The 5400 rpm drives are quieter. Like the Samsung EcoGreen F4. 29dB.
Disks Western Digital Caviar Green WD20EARS have a 25-26dB.
This latter seems better than the Samsung.
If not 7200rpm, there is the Caviar Black WD have a 34dB.
Please note that a difference of 10dB is perceived as two (2) times stronger.
Gloup
I will look out for the BSOD after installing the Agility 3, how do you know if you have the given MLC flash chips?
spinning discs are unfortunately not an option, both due to speed and noise.
If you have ever worked with a DAW, you'd known 5400rpm is not an option at all :D
othervise, your input is apreciated. I'll look for the MLC cips
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I will look out for the BSOD after installing the Agility 3, how do you know if you have the given MLC flash chips?
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othervise, your input is apreciated. I'll look for the MLC cips
Hi kristopher,
I view my model of chips on my hardware by by different ways.
I read aspecialized magazines about computer hardware.
I search with keyword on google. like chips, circuit, firmware, etc about hardware.
I search .pdf files on google about topic.
I visit a official homesite of brands. Like OCZ, Gigabyte, etc.
I participate on the forum for help person.
Gloup_Gloup.
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if you want a SSD, there are a Crucial M4 Series. They are very interesting.
Gloup_Gloup
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Anyone have a clue why I'm only getting about 250/250 write/read on the agility 3?
Have it in ahci, connected to the intel controller.
https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=54535dfadf5e09b9&resid=54535DFADF5E09B9!933&parid=54535DFADF5E09B9!173 (https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=54535dfadf5e09b9&resid=54535DFADF5E09B9!933&parid=54535DFADF5E09B9!173)
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Hi all and of course Kristoffer,
I noted in this Topic, Kristoffer do not give infos about Case (Tower case, by exemple) .. Brands and model.
Web link is appreciate.
Exemple of situation implicate Case and trouble speed...
Re: GA-Z68X-UD7-B3 BIOS and SATA 3 Issues. Need some advice please.
http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,7486.msg59500.html#msg59500
Gloup_Gloup.
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See my signature?
First item. Fractal.
There is a direct connection from the mobo to the SSD.
I'm trying different cables tomorrow, and different ports as well.