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Questions about GIGABYTE products => Graphic cards => Topic started by: barn3rd on November 15, 2010, 05:32:31 pm

Title: Video card BIOS
Post by: barn3rd on November 15, 2010, 05:32:31 pm
In a moment of insanity I built a new system based on an Crossfire setup of 2 gigabyte 5970s. One of the cards is an older card that I bought a while ago that has an older bios. The new one appears to have a bios that is current. I downloaded the @bios tool but displays bios information of unknown for the version. I would like to upgrade the older bios but I am unsure of the process. Some of the questions I have are " where do I get the correct version" " can I do the upgrade while they are set up in Crossfire" by the way I scored nearly 30,000 in 3DMark
Title: Re: Video card BIOS
Post by: Dark Mantis on November 15, 2010, 07:58:49 pm
Hi and welcome to the Gigabyte Forum.
Can you give us the model number of the GPU please?
Title: Re: Video card BIOS
Post by: barn3rd on November 15, 2010, 09:31:42 pm
Thank you for the reply.

GPUs are GV-R597D5-2GD-B

I am running an I7 950 on an Asus Rampage 3 Formula with 6 gig of mem. I have a 1200 watt true power Quatro from Antec Right. Everything is running at stock speeds.
One bios has a 2009 date and the other a 2010 date. Interestingly when I built the system the initial load of the Drivers from Gigabyte caused a blue screen related to an ATI issue. I downloaded the Latest ATI drivers which worked but have some issues in a couple games I play. For instance while the 3D Mark test is certainly better in game (Battlefield BC2) FPS is not what it was with a single 5970 as measured with Fraps. I thought that I should fix whatever discrepencies the were most apparent i.e. the bios. Before I started to poke my finger into that, I thought I should check with some others.
Title: Re: Video card BIOS
Post by: Dark Mantis on November 16, 2010, 08:53:40 am
If you follow this link it will explain the process of actually doing the update:

http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,2439.0.html

I have not been able to locate any new firmware for this card at present but I will look into it and post back.
Title: Re: Video card BIOS
Post by: Dark Mantis on November 16, 2010, 10:40:22 am
I have just received a reply and they have suggested that you ask GGTS directly for the update. I really don't understand why one is not available on the website as per normal.

You can either go direct to GGTS at: http://ggts.gigabyte.com.tw/Default.aspx

or through the local UK website at: http://www.giga-byte.co.uk/support-downloads/technical-support.aspx
Title: Re: Video card BIOS
Post by: barn3rd on November 16, 2010, 02:35:50 pm
Thank you for the research on this question. I think the question at this point is whether the bios upgrade is advisable? Will the diparity of the bios versions affect performance in XFire? I have to comment as well that the installation of CCC has been anything but smooth and I think may be contributing to anomolies in my performance.
Title: Re: Video card BIOS
Post by: Dark Mantis on November 16, 2010, 02:41:31 pm
I am afraid that I don't feel competent to answer regarding the two cards with different BIOSes question as it is not something I have personally come across before. I think the best place for that question would be the ATI forum. I can enquire from our tech support but I am not sure if they would know either. I will post back if I can find something of interest out.
Title: Re: Video card BIOS
Post by: barn3rd on November 16, 2010, 03:15:35 pm
Thanks for the answer I will go to the ATI forums and ask the Bios question. I think though that the primary issues I am dealing with are related to the drivers. At this point I am thinking about doing a reinstall of the system to get a new start on the whole thing. One last question though. What is the difference between the drivers on the CD that comes with the Gigabyte card and the ATI drivers.
Title: Re: Video card BIOS
Post by: Dark Mantis on November 16, 2010, 03:23:16 pm
Probably very little in reality. The ATI drivers are for the chip that they develop and sell, so they will work with any card that uses that chip. However the different manufacturers like Gigabyte then try and customise the board to make it better and so customise the driver set too. But as I just said there is probably not a lot of difference.

I have asked  the question by the way.
Title: Re: Video card BIOS
Post by: barn3rd on November 16, 2010, 11:39:29 pm
Mantis, I figured that the drivers might be the issue but uninstalling and reinstalling did not seem to work. I reinstalled the operating system and tried the Drivers from Gigabyte supplied with the disk. They failed to load with an ATI.MDAG.SYS blue screen. This is the same error I had with the 10.6 drivers from ATI. Frustrated with the results, I downloaded the last drivers that I knew worked with my old system from ATI. The 10.4 drivers worked and the frame rates are where they should be for a single card. Gotta tell ya this was frustrating. I do not know if anyone else has reported problems like this but at least I found a temporary work around. I am going to add the second card and test for Xfire.
Title: Re: Video card BIOS
Post by: Dark Mantis on November 17, 2010, 09:40:17 am
To be honest there have been quite a lot of issues with the later drivers for these cards. I don't know why but there seem to be many problems surfacing and often the only recourse is to roll back to previous versions. By the way the nVidia drivers are just as bad if not worse.
Title: Re: Video card BIOS
Post by: barn3rd on November 17, 2010, 03:32:35 pm
I agree about the drivers. Thank you for the help, it will certainly be a key point in my next purchase. BTW I increased my 3DMark score by 2500 at stock speeds with the old driver
Title: Re: Video card BIOS
Post by: Dark Mantis on November 17, 2010, 03:47:27 pm
Ok thats a good result then. I can't say I am suprised but no doubt they will get the new drivers sorted out soon and you can look for another boost.
Title: Re: Video card BIOS
Post by: Wonderwrench on November 17, 2010, 05:18:51 pm
Have you tried the 10.10 hot fix drivers? http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/GPU86AMDCat1010dHotfix.aspx
Its worth a shot.

Bill
Title: Re: Video card BIOS
Post by: barn3rd on November 17, 2010, 07:40:25 pm
I believe they are up to hot fix 10.10e. I tried all of them and they did not work. I think I am going to wait a bit for the next ones to be released. It seems that the uninstall process does not remove everything. For that reason an OS reinstall seems to be the best bet. The cards are great ahh but those drivers fall a bit short. If you hear any news about this let me know.
Title: Re: Video card BIOS
Post by: Wonderwrench on November 17, 2010, 08:34:59 pm
Looks like the 10.11's are out! http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloads/Pages/radeon_win7-64.aspx
Strange, the release notes do not list the new 6xxx series cards. If you look for drivers for the 6xxx series all you get is the 10.10's

Bill
Title: Re: Video card BIOS
Post by: barn3rd on November 17, 2010, 09:16:30 pm
Maybe I will step off the deep end on this one. I will see shortly
Title: Re: Video card BIOS
Post by: Dark Mantis on November 18, 2010, 09:43:11 am
Thank you for the research on this question. I think the question at this point is whether the bios upgrade is advisable? Will the diparity of the bios versions affect performance in XFire? I have to comment as well that the installation of CCC has been anything but smooth and I think may be contributing to anomolies in my performance.

This is the explanation I received back from our Technical Support:

"The perfect situation assumes both cards in Crossfire or SLI to have exactly the same specs including bios. As bios holds some information about for example internal timings, then if user has 2 different bioses then driver picks up the slower one card as the base and slows down the faster one. This way some percentage gain maybe lost."

So it definitely would be worth flashing the BIOS on the older card. I still haven't received an answer as to where it can be obtained from but I will post here when I have the information.

Title: Re: Video card BIOS
Post by: barn3rd on November 18, 2010, 03:00:01 pm
I will try it then
Title: Re: Video card BIOS
Post by: barn3rd on November 18, 2010, 10:10:50 pm
Let me know where I can get the BIOS and I will try it. Thanks again
Title: Re: Video card BIOS
Post by: Dark Mantis on November 18, 2010, 10:12:37 pm
I am still waiting for an answer to that question.
Title: Re: Video card BIOS
Post by: barn3rd on November 18, 2010, 10:14:07 pm
Thank you Mantis you are a busy dude
Title: Re: Video card BIOS
Post by: barn3rd on November 23, 2010, 01:09:37 am
any word on the Bios
Title: Re: Video card BIOS
Post by: Dark Mantis on November 23, 2010, 10:17:32 am
I have been told we don't have direct access to the graphics card BIOSes here so I can only advise you to go direct to GGTS for that information. Sorry.


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