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Questions about GIGABYTE products => Motherboards with Intel processors => Topic started by: F5BJR on June 18, 2010, 05:25:54 pm
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* exist an option in BIOS for startup with a PCI graphic card *
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5 possible options if i remenber :
PCI
PCI-e X16-1
PCi-e X16-2
PCi-e X8-1
PCi-e X8-2
i have installed in my computer
- one PCI-express ATI/SAphire HD4850X2
- one PCI ( old bus model as PCI not PCI-express ) also ATI but CLUB3D / PCI / HD4350
bug is this
i program in BIOS first screen to PCI ( HD4350 Club3D )
i reboot and BIOS not start with screen connected to the Club3D / PCI but start screen connected to the HD4850X2 ( PCI-Express )
test with anothers Graphics VGA / PCI cards ( old S3 , NVIDIA MX440 , Matrox ) same problem
computer start always with PCI-*express card
my BIOS is F5 , tested beta F6i exactly same problem
before i have this 2 cards connected to ASUS P5E WS PRO or P5K Premium WIFI or old P5B WIFI AP PRO and not this problem , i start fine the screen connected to the PCI ( not PCI-Express card )
i use this configuration because with add-on RAID cards i have problem OPTION ROM ( normal if computer start with PCI-Express first Graphic card )
i have contacted Gigabyte France ... ????
** why this option exist if i cannot use ? **
Pierre
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Hi Pierre
What happens if you remove the PCIe card and the reboot? Does it find the PCI card ok? The default setting in the BIOS is for PCI as the first display.
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hello , thanks for reply ,
yes, sure , i use this configuration a long time with HD4850X2 ( 4 * DVI ) and MX440 NVIDIA ( old PCI card )
with ASUS motherboard P5E-WS PRO before P5K PREMIUM and also P5B WIFI AP
no problems i can start BIOS with the screen connected to the PCI card if i program in BIOS ...
not a long time i have updated with HD4350 PCI Club3D because i cannot mix NVIDIA and ATI card with WIndows 7
no problem, no problem ...
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some days i have updated my computer with new motherboard GA-X58A-UD5
and problem
also if i remove PCI-EXpress card , computer sart with the screen connected to the PCI card
with the 2 * cards , i use choice to start with PCI and not ok , always start with PCI-Express card
** why this option exist if i cannot use ? **
Pierre
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It sounds like a BIOS update is needed, Pierre. If there is no newer release yet it may be just a case of contacting Gigabyte Technical Department and waiting for one to be written.
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i add this :
with motherboard ASUS P5K Premium WIFI AP I have not this PROBLEM
i have tested this night with P5K and this graphics cards ; all is ok , i can start with screen connected to the PCI add-on card and notto PCI-e :
HD4850X2 PCI-e and card PCI Matrox Mystique
.............................................Matrox G2-QUAD CPI
.............................................S3 Virge DX
.............................................Cirrus Logig CL-GD5446
.............................................NVIDIA MC440
.............................................Club3D / ATI HD4350
.....................................i have not others cards for test , sorry !!!!
Pierre
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mayby try to contact gigabyte france:
http://www.gigabyte.fr/Company/ContactUs.aspx?CompanyWebPageID=6&ID=19#sel_country
they also have french language forum:
http://forum.gigabyte.fr/
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Hi Pierre
Well as far as I can see you have managed to prove it as an issue with this board. It may well be down to the BIOS but without and update it is hard to prove. As has already been suggested you might be more comfortable dealing with your local dealership although your use of English is very good. Feel free to continue this thread if you wish however.
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STUPID REPLY : test compatibility before acquire GigaByte product !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dear Sir,
Thank you for your kindly mail and inquiry. About the issue you mentioned, due to there are many VGA card in the market, we might recommend user to test the VGA card with your motherboard before you buy it to avoid H/W compatible problem. And sometimes because high performance VGA cards requires additional power input, so please make sure that your power supply unit fits the power requirement.
In addition, please kindly notice that we would not test other brand VGA card on our motherboard, we could only guarantee GIGABYTE VGA card can work properly on our motherboard. If your problem still remains, we suggest you to test with GIGABYTE VGA card and see if it is compatible problem or motherboard issue.
At last, if you still have any further question to this issue or suggestion about our products/service, please do not hesitate to contact with us. If you have any issue different from original, make sure you issue a new form in order to get proper assistance and it may be response faster as well. We will try our best to help you resolve the problem ASAP.
Best Regards,
GIGABYTE TECHNOLOGY
Pierre
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Perfect logic! Test it before you buy it, yeah, right! ::) This is why there are standards so that certain cards will work on any board that adheres to those standards. ???
Not much help there than Pierre? The only bit of sense was regarding the power supply.
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HI
but run with all my motherboards ASUS with same power supply EnerMax !!
P5E WS PRO
P5K PREMIUM WIFI AP
P5B WIFI AP
Pierre
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Yes I think they were just saying(in their own way) that you must have a power supply with the PCIe output leads to be able to use a power huingry PCIe graphics card. ;)
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a person could it test with this kind of chart as this : Gigabyte GV R487X2-2GH-B ?
I think problem is with all graphics cards with single PCI-e connector with 2 GPU
Pierre
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I am not sure that I understand you there Pierre but I think what you are saying is that PSUs only have one pCIe power lead. If i am right then there are plenty of better PSUs that have more than one.
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no
HD4850X2 or HD4770X2 are cards with only one PCi-express
2 * GPU with only one PCI-e slot used
not as similar configuration with 2 graphics cards / 2 * GPU
if i plug 2 cards as HD4850 or HD4770 in the same computer , cards use 2 PCI-e slots
functionnality are the same but hardware is different
Pierre
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Yes I understand what you are saying now. The x2 series of cards. As you say double cards using one PCIe slot.
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possible problem
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i have tested my HD4850X2 and my PCI ( old model ) HD4350 with GPU-Z
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HD4350 is not know as PCI but as PCI-e X16 @x1
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Pierre
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That's because it is a PCIe card. Why it is only saying 1x I am not sure but usually it is because something else is sharing the bandwidth.
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no
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my HD4350 is a PCI card not PCI-express
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http://www.ldlc-pro.ch/fiche/PB00095503.html
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Pierre
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My mistake Pierre. Sorry I wasn't aware that they made any of the 4xxx series as PCI.
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tested with Catalyst Control Center
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report also PCI-Express card and not PCI !!
If i have a little time , i remove this card and i test with another computer
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tested with another computer , exactly same report
but with an old S3 / PCI card CPU-z report normal old PCI card
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possible BUG because HD4350 is PCI-e capable ??
Pierre
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That would be my thinking.
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i have receive this day new BIOS F6j ... no change !!
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request to gigabyte in france is closed ... no response ...
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Pierre
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i have receive this day new BIOS F6j ... no change !!
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request to gigabyte in france is closed ... no response ...
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Pierre
Are you saying that Gigabyte France wouldn't give you an answer? If so that's not right. I would advise you to contact the manager of the establishment directly.
I am fairly sure that you were right about Catalyst Control Centre reporting it as PCIe2.0 capable because the chipset is even though it isn't running on a PCIe bus.
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response :
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Bonjour,
Cela signifie que nous clôturons le dossier.
Cordialement,
Le Service Technique GIGABYTE.
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in English : request closed !!
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yes , i prepare a letter for Gigabyte France and also for the problem marvell SATA3
i search postal address ..
i have found :
‧ GIGABYTE France Office
Name: GIGABYTE TECHNOLOGY France
Address: 3 rue de Rome Batiment Robert Schumann 93110 Rosny Sous Bois,France
Tel: +33-1-48129800
WEB Address: http://www.gigabyte.fr
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Pierre
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Hi F5BJR
I have passed your contact details to my colleagues from technical team of Gigabyte France asking them to help you.
Have you tried to ask through French Forum: http://forum.gigabyte.fr ?
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French yes , i know , but cannot help because problem is sure with a BIG BIOS BUG
look the first page of this topic :
http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,2131.0.html
i have writed in RED characters !!
before using the new GigaByte motherboard ( GA-X58a-UD5 ) i have absolutly not this problem with my 3 * old motherboards ASUS
P5E WS PRO , P5K PREMIUM WIFI and P5B WIFI AP , i have used this configuration a long time without this problem
i have reinstalled this configuration some day and run always fine
Pierre
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GA- X58A-UD5 Bios F6 released ..
http://station-drivers.com/page/gigabyte/ga-x58a-ud5.htm
but not solve PCI graphic card problem for startup first screen
Pierre
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Hi Pierre
Did you get an answer back from the French Gigabyte site on this problem? If I remember correctly runn3R contacted them directly and asked them to contact you.
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Hello
Response for Gigabyte France , we send info to taiwan .. !!
Pierre
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Always not solved ...
Finnaly i have 2 new cards --> 2 * HD5770 GFX Single slot functionnality similar to HD4850X2
and no problem i can start with the screen connected to my third card HD4350 old PCI bus
STUPID , STUPID , STUPID
that my motherboard GA-X58A-UD5 cannot run correctly with my beautiful old card HD4850X2 2GO
Pierre
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I certainly wouldn't call the 4850x2 an old card to be honest. What does amaze me is that the system will work alright with the two new cards but presumably they are using the same ATI driver set as the original card. ???
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Hello
YES , a very OLD Graphics Card !!
I have plugged the 2 new HD5770 cards and ... same drivers .. no problem
Remember : BUG is not with OS but with only the BIOS functionnality !!
Pierre
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I have plugged the 2 new HD5770 cards and ... same drivers .. no problem
Remember : BUG is not with OS but with only the BIOS functionnality !
I must admit I forgot it was a problem with booting.
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I have tested this day with an new exchanged Club3D PCI HD4350 graphic card and BIOS F7D and
surprise i have the PCI card ok at boot
Pierre
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I knew you were trying the new BIOS version but that is good news that it has worked. Is everything else ok with it?
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Yes no problem with also F7E version just installed at this time
and ... all my PCI ( old bus ) graphics cards ... Matrox , S3 , NVidia , ...
Pierre
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Well that must be a relief Pierre! It has been dragging on for some time now. ;)
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Srory , i am bad , i remember not that the problem is with the HD4850X2 2GO - dual GPU and only single PCI-e slot connector !
I use at this time 2 * HD5770 single slot but the 2 * cards use 2 * PCI-e slots ..
Pierre
* I reinstall my old HD4850X2 card i i look with F7E BIOS ...
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This is the problem when things go on for a long time it is easy to lose track of the original problem. :-\
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With F7E Bios always the same problem !!
Pierre
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With F7 Final Bios always the same problem !!
I cannot start the PCI card HD4350 with HD4850X2 installed in my computer
Start always the PCI-e card and not the PCI card ( programmed to first in BIOS )
Pierre
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It's got to be a BIOS fault then Pierre as it should use whatever is nominated as the default option at boot up.