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Questions about GIGABYTE products => Motherboards with Intel processors => Topic started by: Gejodi on October 18, 2010, 11:22:20 pm
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Hi all:
New to this forum and can use some help. I built a new system and am still in bios setup...I have not installed an os yet. I have an x58a-ud5 mb with an i7-950 and 3 1tb sata hdd which I do not intend to raid. I will be installing win7 64bit. I believe im going to go with IDE mode for my hdd's. But I have a question that relates to the board being defective. If I set the mode to IDE the three drive show up in the Bios. If I change the mode to ahci I dont see the drives in the bios! Is this normal and will only be seen when the os/driver is installed or is there a problem/defect in the MB?? I am using the onboard intel southbridge controller in sata0, 1 and 2. Also do you need a driver disk for ahci non raid or does win7 have the driver built in for this controller?
Thanks much
Gejodi
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Hi and welcome to the Gigabyte Forum.
What you have put is correct and there is nothing wrong(hopefully) with the board this is just a normal situation. Gigabyte deals with the drives differently to most other motherboard manufacturers in the way it shows IDE and SATA drives in the BIOS. They are there though and as you summised they will show up in Windows when you look. You do not need to load special drivers for AHCI if you decide to use that mode as they are already there.
Hope that all makes sense. ;)
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If I set the mode to IDE the three drive show up in the Bios.
The AHCI drives do not show up in the BIOS setup screen but you will see them being detected as BIOS boots. You can install Windows 7 with the SATA drives in the AHCI mode. If you install Windows in the IDE mode however, you will need to do a small registry edit to use them later in AHCI mode.
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Hi
I am using this build for music recording/production and as DM has stated I probably will not notice a great difference in performance. IM gonna go with the ide setup because Im told its more stable? I also think that besides backup I wont get that much from Raid1 or 0. With 6gb of ram and 3.0 gb hdd I should be fine. Thanks for your help this is a new build and didnt want to go further if there was a problem with the mb ....or....maybe im just paranoid!!! :o Thanks all
Gejodi
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No problem Gejodi. It always pays to be careful and do plenty of research first. I agree with you about the RAID it would probably be more problem to you than it's worth. Just make sure that you carry out a good backup regime if your music is important. ;)
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DM:
Ok so here is an update with more questions >:( To recap I am running the UD5 with an intel i7-950, sbo730, asus 8800gtx, 2 lite on dvd drives, one floppy, and three seagate 1 tb sata drives. I am using win7-64bit as an OS. I am configured for ide mode and have native 0-3 disabled. I made a few changes in Bios but not many and did not and dont think im going to oc....maybe a few tweaks for performance if needed. All is up and running but............upon boot the screen after the logo comes up with verifying dmi pool data....it doesnt hang but it almost looks like its an error but continues to boot. Is this normal? If I use quick boot will this help? Also and this is a biggy for me at least. I have no conflicts but when I go to device manage my IEEE 1394 port, which is the main point of transmision for my music equipment, is sharing an irq with 3 usb controllers. Is it possible to get the 1394 on a dedicated irq? Maybe by disabling items in bios? I havent tried the equipment yet but I think this may be a problem when I record. I tried resources but it doesnt give me the option to uncheck use automatic settings. At a loss other than just trying the equipment :-\
Thx ....Gejodi ps the 1394 port is on the mb and not an addon card.
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There could be several reasons for the"verifying DMI pool data" message.
First check that your two BIOS chips have the same BIOS version on them. If they don't update the backup BIOS.
Secondly if you updated the main BIOS did you keep the DMI data from previously?
Did you clear the CMOS properly first?
The questions about the audio are not my subject really so I will see if my collegue can have a look and help as he is an audio wizard( and superstar).
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It will always say Verifying DMI Pool.........................
Unless it says Updating DMI Pool ;D
As long as it does not hang there you are fine
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Yes of course you are right Lsdmeasap. I was thinking it was hanging there. :-[
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DM:
Ok so here is an update with more questions >:( To recap I am running the UD5 with an intel i7-950, sbo730, asus 8800gtx, 2 lite on dvd drives, one floppy, and three seagate 1 tb sata drives. I am using win7-64bit as an OS. I am configured for ide mode and have native 0-3 disabled. I made a few changes in Bios but not many and did not and dont think im going to oc....maybe a few tweaks for performance if needed. All is up and running but............upon boot the screen after the logo comes up with verifying dmi pool data....it doesnt hang but it almost looks like its an error but continues to boot. Is this normal? If I use quick boot will this help? Also and this is a biggy for me at least. I have no conflicts but when I go to device manage my IEEE 1394 port, which is the main point of transmision for my music equipment, is sharing an irq with 3 usb controllers. Is it possible to get the 1394 on a dedicated irq? Maybe by disabling items in bios? I havent tried the equipment yet but I think this may be a problem when I record. I tried resources but it doesnt give me the option to uncheck use automatic settings. At a loss other than just trying the equipment :-\
Thx ....Gejodi
Normally sharing IRQ's causes no problems on newer OS's. In the old days this was not the case. I would give it a shot the way it is and see what happens. Other thoughts: It seems that Gigabytes X58 boards bios post is slow compared to other boards I have owned. I have a GA-X58A-UD3R and see the verifying dmi pool data on post also. This is normal as far as I know. One thing I do is disable hardware in the bios I know I will not be using. This speeds bios post and opens up more IRQ's. I'm only using SATA drives connected to the Intel storage controller so I disabled the Gigabyte SATA2 controller and the Marvell SATA3 controller. This cuts bios post time in half or more. Not a big deal but I find AHCI mode works perfectly on newer hardware when running Vista or Windows 7. Also having SATA port 0-3 native mode disabled forces windows 7 to use certain IRQ's for those ports. This may or may not cause problems. I prefer to give windows full control of hardware IRQ assignments so I enable SATA port 0-3 native mode. So just a heads up, don't change anything and see how it goes. Once you see how the new system acts you may or may not want to play around with some stuff.
Bill
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Hello Again!
Ok so I installed all music software...Cubase 5, Halion 3 and the mr816csx audio interface. All with no tweaks to the win 7 system. It worked fine for a while and then I had some audio dropouts. I changed the utility buffer in the yamaha driver as recommended for the MR816 and it seems to have worked but im not sure it wont return. I didnt want to do any tweaks to win 7 and im not sure if it will help. So getting back to my question...I am using the onboard fire wire port , which is a TI chipset, but its IRQ is shared with 3 usb controllers. Does anyone know If I can place the 1394 controller on its own dedicated IRQ? I know I can buy a pci board ...but the reason I got this board was because it had an integrated 1394 with a TI chipset. Why this is important is that Yamaha tells me that it must be a TI chipset and dedicated IRQ to work with the Audio Interface. Anyone help?
Im not even sure this will work my gut is that it is a Yamaha driver problem.
Gejodi
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I don't think that what you want to do is possible but it is definitely possible to disable the USB3 ports which would have the same effect. Only downside is you lose the USB3 capability.
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DM:
First let me again thank you for your quick response and help!!!!!
I spoke to Yamaha today and was told to install a separate 1394 card in a pci 2 slot as some problems may occur with onboard chipset config?? I am still having problems with audio dropouts. Im thinking its a driver fault or audio interface problem but I need to prove them wrong to get the unit replaced/refunded. Do you think if I get a separate addon card that I will be able to get it on a dedicated IRQ? Also it has been recommended that I should disable EIST,C1E, and Turbo Boost...with the idea for keeping the system stable which is important in audio production. I dont like to tweak these things for one because I dont know enough about them and two because the system is designed to work as specced...however if I try these tweaks..Is there any other things I need to change and do you think I will screw anything up by changing them?
Thanks for you help again
Gejodi
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Hi, DM has asked me to look in and see if I can help at all.
I'm running Cubase5 on my AMD System along with an M-Audio Delta1010 Audio Device. I also have an M-Audio 2X2 Anniversary USB Midi Interface linked to a Roland XV5050 and Yamaha CS6R and an Axiom49 USB Keyboard.
The issue of shared IRQ's is not something that has caused me a problem and My Delta1010 is using a shared IRQ quite happily. However, initially setting the Audio buffer size incorrectly did cause a problem with drop-outs and crackling.
Have you disabled the on-board audio chip? Experience has taught me that this is a good option as it removes the chance of audio conflicts.
The advice to disable the Energy Saving features, in BIOS, is also good and is something I do as a matter of course.
Do not even think about Overclocking your system, unless you want to have a lot more grief.
If you are not actually using the Floppy Drive this is another thing you could safely disable.
It would be better if DM or someone else advised you on the features you can safely disable in BIOS, as I'm not familiar with the Intel Platform but the more things that you can disable the better, especially if you are using this PC as a DAW.
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Thanks a lot for your input absic, much appreciated by us both I am sure, but please keep an eye on this thread as there will probably be more audio queries that you are better qualified to handle.
As far as disabling the power saving modes as long as you keep an eye on the temperatures especially the CPU then you can disable the C1E, C3, C6, C7 support and EIST at least. There may be more but I would have to check through the BIOS manual.
The other thing I would recommend as you are making everything run at full speed in effect is to run your fans all off the PSU for maximum efficiency.
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DM
I do appreciate all the help I get here you guys are the best!! I have two case fans that are on direct ps but the cpu and hdd fans are on MB is this ok you think...also how long should i monitor cpu for besides a now and again check at least for the first time I change settings?
Absic thx for help...I have onboard sound disabled in bios...I will try floppy disable and will try buffers again but Steinberg/Yamaha seems to believe that the FW Mr816csx needs a dedicated irq which even if i get a separate card im not sure I can set a dedicated irq for on this MB. Ive tried DPC latency but get no spikes to speak of when I experience dropouts.....I try latencyMon but cant pinpoint problem other that pagefaults with usbport.sys...ill try speed step and such and get back to you guys.
Gejodi
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Firstly have you disabled the USB3 ports as I suggested?
Secondly you would need to move you CPU fan especially to a direct connection with the PSU. Just run a few programs or something like Prime95 and make sure the temps are ok If they are fine for an hour they should be ok during normal use.
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DM
Just a quick update ...I tried to disabe the 3 usb controllers after putting mu usb connections ont the usb 3.0 ports. WOO shut down and BSOD and then froze....had to restore and still frose ..did a hard boot and everything appears to be back as it was ...scary...I guess it didnt like that....
im not sure about speedstep and such I really dont want to change that...I guess Ill try a pci card and hope I can get it on a dedicated irq.
Gejodi
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HaHa ;D
Obviously you cannot use the USB3.0 ports if you disable them in the BIOS. ;) Clear the USB3.0 ports first and then disable them.
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DM
Misunderstanding ...I cleared the usb 2.0 ports by placing my usb components on the usb 3.0 ports ...then I disabled the usb 2.0 ports after making sure nothing was on them. And when I went to restart ...BSOD! Well anyway i ordered a pci 1394 card and when it comes I hope I can get it on a dedicated IRQ. Thanks much
Gejodi
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Please let us know how you get on with this problem. ;)
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DM:
Update..... Well didnt make out so good. I got the new PCI 1394 card no matter what I did I couldnt get it on a separate IRQ! I disabled both Lan's and such but it stayed on IRQ 16 ...which is shared by like 8 other items including the Vid card. I only have one PCI slot as you know ....I called Gigabyte and they helped me try to arrange but to no avail. I was told that it is a hardware setup and cannot be changed. I tried to call Microsoft to find if there was any way to change in win 7 but I have oem and would have to pay 60 bucks for their help ??? Any ideas? Also Do you think the UD3r or another board would allow for the ability to put a addon card to a dedicated irq or is this with every new design with the new Win 7 archietecture...and not the hardware of the manufacturer?
Gejodi
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Where are you located Gejodi?
Which Gigabyte centre did you call?
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DM
I called here 1-626-854-9338 In manual USA
Gejodi
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It's just I wasn't sure which region you were in so maybe you would change your Profile details to show USA please.
I think this is one time where a question to GGTS is called for as I am not sure if you had more than one PCI slot it would help with the IRQ situation. Sorry. :-\ I will also try and find out tomorrow locally.
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I am afraid that we don't have that information to hand locally so you will have to take the question to GGTS and they should be able to provide an answer. :-\
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DM:
Update..... Well didnt make out so good. I got the new PCI 1394 card no matter what I did I couldnt get it on a separate IRQ! I disabled both Lan's and such but it stayed on IRQ 16 ...which is shared by like 8 other items including the Vid card. I only have one PCI slot as you know ....I called Gigabyte and they helped me try to arrange but to no avail. I was told that it is a hardware setup and cannot be changed. I tried to call Microsoft to find if there was any way to change in win 7 but I have oem and would have to pay 60 bucks for their help ??? Any ideas? Also Do you think the UD3r or another board would allow for the ability to put a addon card to a dedicated irq or is this with every new design with the new Win 7 archietecture...and not the hardware of the manufacturer?
Gejodi
As far as I can see the UD3R is very similar so I doubt it would be any different. I still can't see sharing IRQ's as being a problem but anything is possible. Is the software you are using 100% compatible with windows 7 64 bit? Do you have the very latest versions installed?
Bill
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Bill:
Im told that Cubase 5 is completely compatible with win 7 and yes all drivers are up to date.... I called Yamaha support and told them I wasnt able to get the card on a dedicated IRQ I am waiting to hear back from them for either an exchange or refund for this audio interface. I believe this issue I am having is there for lots of people and I need to prove I did everything I could to make this interface work. It is the norm today to point fingers at each other if a driver ie is causing a problem....leaving it up to the consumer to try and figure things out. Fact is its been that way for a while. I really appreciate the help I received here from all you folks......Ill let you guys know how this finally gets resolved!!!
Gejodi
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Thanks Gejodi. As you say it's a pass the buck attitude that makes it very difficult to pin down the problem. The more information we can gather the better off we all are. ;)
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You can try adjusting some IRQ's in the BIOS by using the hotkey.
To use the hidden setting hotkey, on the MAIN page of the BIOS press" Control + F1" then the screen will flash.
Then look for a hidden PCI IRQ Setting, I know it used to have it's own page on older P35/P45 models, but not sure if it's even included on the new models or not.
Worth a look though, when I next reboot I'll see if I can find it on my UD7