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Title: BIOS Flashing - Lessons Learned
Post by: KEP on November 30, 2010, 05:38:09 am
I've just flashed the BIOS for the second time, in this new build, and thought I needed to share what I've learned all in one place.  I know I would've appreciated this collection myself, and probably will again next time around.  For background, I'm running the GA-880GA-UD3H (v2.1) motherboard, but it seems these may be fairly generic instructions?


My thanks to absic and Dark Mantis for helping me through this the first time.  Many of the hints above originated with them.  It was my need to go searching for them again, and so soon no less, that prompted me to write all this up in a single post.

Question: Had I saved my CMOS to HDD (or flash) the first time around, would have have saved me from having to reset all the settings manually?  If so, that'd be an important edit for this thread!
Title: Re: BIOS Flashing - Lessons Learned
Post by: babdi on November 30, 2010, 08:14:04 am
KEP
@BIOS would have made your life simpler. Just run the program it does what you had described. I always use this.
Title: Re: BIOS Flashing - Lessons Learned
Post by: absic on November 30, 2010, 10:26:29 am
KEP
@BIOS would have made your life simpler. Just run the program it does what you had described. I always use this.

Sorry Babdi, I can't agree with you on this.
QFlash is a much safer method than @BIOS , just do a search on this forum to see how many have run into problems using @BIOS.
Title: Re: BIOS Flashing - Lessons Learned
Post by: Dark Mantis on November 30, 2010, 12:01:52 pm
KEP
@BIOS would have made your life simpler. Just run the program it does what you had described. I always use this.

I would like to add that I too would not advise anyone to use this program ( @BIOS ) as it is far more likely to go wrong during the BIOS flash process and leave you with an unusable board. The thing is by it's very nature it is more dangerous as it runs on top of the operating system adding another layer to go wrong and as we all know Windows isn't always perfect. We see quite a lot of dead motherboards on this forum because of this program.

Use QFlash not @BIOS even though it is a little more trouble.
Title: Re: BIOS Flashing - Lessons Learned
Post by: Wonderwrench on November 30, 2010, 01:04:46 pm
Before flashing the bios load optimized defaults, then save and reboot back into the bios and run Qflash. This is a must if you are overclocking and an all around good idea all the time just to play it safe.

Bill
Title: Re: BIOS Flashing - Lessons Learned
Post by: Dark Mantis on November 30, 2010, 01:34:52 pm
Before flashing the bios load optimized defaults, then save and reboot back into the bios and run Qflash. This is a must if you are overclocking and an all around good idea all the time just to play it safe.

Bill

Yes definitely a must if you have anything overclocked at all otherwise it could be a disaster.
Title: Re: BIOS Flashing - Lessons Learned
Post by: KEP on November 30, 2010, 03:02:17 pm
Before flashing the bios load optimized defaults, then save and reboot back into the bios and run Qflash. This is a must if you are overclocking and an all around good idea all the time just to play it safe.

Ouch!  Okay, this is why I created the thread.  Glad I haven't started messing with the timings yet!  

(Hmmmm, it appears the option to "Modify" a post is gone once someone responds to it?)
Title: Re: BIOS Flashing - Lessons Learned
Post by: Dark Mantis on November 30, 2010, 03:52:26 pm
No it disappears after about four hours.
Title: Re: BIOS Flashing - Lessons Learned
Post by: Smitty on December 02, 2010, 06:29:52 pm
Before flashing the bios load optimized defaults, then save and reboot back into the bios and run Qflash. This is a must if you are overclocking and an all around good idea all the time just to play it safe.

Bill

Yes definitely a must if you have anything overclocked at all otherwise it could be a disaster.

I recently upgraded from F2 to F6, but am now second-guessing myself and don't remember if I loaded optimized defaults first!  As I definitely plan on tinkering with over clocking for the first time with this board, would it make sense to re-flash F6 again, or would this potentially cause problems?  For peace of mind, I just want to make certain that it's done right.
Title: Re: BIOS Flashing - Lessons Learned
Post by: absic on December 02, 2010, 06:48:10 pm
Hi Smitty,

you shouldn't have any problems as the guidance given by DM is more for those who have been O/C'ing and tweaking BIOS.
If you have any doubts you can reload Optimized Defaults from within BIOS and re-set your SATA controllers and other bits before you start tweaking. But, once you get going you'll probably have to clear CMOS a few times and load Optimized Defaults several times too!
Title: Re: BIOS Flashing - Lessons Learned
Post by: CanUK on December 02, 2010, 10:33:27 pm
This is a great guide, thanks so much for posting it.  I will be re-flashing my BIOS for the first time when I get home.

Cheers!
Title: Re: BIOS Flashing - Lessons Learned
Post by: Dave76 on December 12, 2010, 09:02:26 am
Nice post.

This is a good question,
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Question: Had I saved my CMOS to HDD (or flash) the first time around, would have have saved me from having to reset all the settings manually?  If so, that'd be an important edit for this thread!

Is there a way to save preset saved BIOS settings, like your OC settings?

Or is it best to just re-do them when flashing BIOS?

I have a template made, for safety sake.
Title: Re: BIOS Flashing - Lessons Learned
Post by: KEP on December 12, 2010, 05:02:13 pm
Nice post.

This is a good question,
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Question: Had I saved my CMOS to HDD (or flash) the first time around, would have have saved me from having to reset all the settings manually?  If so, that'd be an important edit for this thread!

Is there a way to save preset saved BIOS settings, like your OC settings?

Or is it best to just re-do them when flashing BIOS?

I have a template made, for safety sake.

You can use F11 and F12 to save or load up to 6(?) sets of BIOS settings.  These on-chip profiles are wiped out when you flash, so they're really only good for tweaking it seems.  But, while you're in there, there's an option to write them to HDD.  That would seem to be a very smart thing to do!  I'll find out with the next rev whether I can use that to restore all the settings.

Still, nothing beats having a digital camera handy to record all the settings right before you flash.  Remember what a pain that used to be, using pen and paper???
Title: Re: BIOS Flashing - Lessons Learned
Post by: zaragon1 on December 12, 2010, 05:30:15 pm
As using @BIOS is apparently so troublesome to users , would it not be better for Gigabyte to stop offering it to end users ? and delete it off the site / motherboard cd etc

It would save a lot of users from making their motherboards scrap  !

also if this ( @BIOS ) is for power users / it should only be available via an email download ,and also have a very small time period embeded so once used it will not be able ot use again

leaving a very dangerous ( to your motherboard ) piece of software for all users ( newbies to experts ) free to use via download is just asking for problems.




Title: Re: BIOS Flashing - Lessons Learned
Post by: Dark Mantis on December 12, 2010, 07:12:33 pm
The thing is if everything was working perfectly then the @BIOS program should be fine but as we all know things don't work perfectly especially Windows!
(To be honest if everything was working perfectly you wouldnt be upgrading your BIOS anyway!) ;)
Title: Re: BIOS Flashing - Lessons Learned
Post by: Wonderwrench on December 12, 2010, 11:54:00 pm
Nice post.

This is a good question,
Quote
Question: Had I saved my CMOS to HDD (or flash) the first time around, would have have saved me from having to reset all the settings manually?  If so, that'd be an important edit for this thread!

Is there a way to save preset saved BIOS settings, like your OC settings?

Or is it best to just re-do them when flashing BIOS?

I have a template made, for safety sake.

You can use F11 and F12 to save or load up to 6(?) sets of BIOS settings.  These on-chip profiles are wiped out when you flash, so they're really only good for tweaking it seems.  But, while you're in there, there's an option to write them to HDD.  That would seem to be a very smart thing to do!  I'll find out with the next rev whether I can use that to restore all the settings.

Still, nothing beats having a digital camera handy to record all the settings right before you flash.  Remember what a pain that used to be, using pen and paper???


I would be very leery of saving the bios settings to a harddrive. I did some research on this and it looks like the data is saved in the small unpartitioned space at the end of the drive. If this is the case big problems may result. Especially if using a SSD as the board may be dumb enough to try to write to the spare area. Unless proved otherwise I'd stay far far away.

Bill 
Title: Re: BIOS Flashing - Lessons Learned
Post by: KEP on December 13, 2010, 04:36:44 am
I would be very leery of saving the bios settings to a harddrive. I did some research on this and it looks like the data is saved in the small unpartitioned space at the end of the drive. If this is the case big problems may result. Especially if using a SSD as the board may be dumb enough to try to write to the spare area. Unless proved otherwise I'd stay far far away.

Hmmmm, I could've swore I saw a an option to save it to a specific file.  Yeah, just checked, and there's a file called "SAVEDBIO" on the flash drive I had the BIOS update on.