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Title: GA-EP45-UD3R will not boot - NEED HELP
Post by: prioris on May 13, 2011, 11:25:01 pm
I am having a terrible time trying to figure out what is wrong. My system does not boot up.

My system has the following components

MB GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3R
Memory G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) DR2 800
CPU Intel Pentium Dual-Core E6300
HDD1 WD 1TB Black Caviars
HDD2 WD 1TB Black Caviars
Graphics Sapphire HD4650 1GB Radeon Video
Power Supply SILVERSTONE ST56ZF 560W
Case Antec 200
OS Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
DVD-RW SamSung DVD RW
Optical Drive LITE-ON Black 4X BD-ROM Blu-ray

I will keep it short and just tell you the current state

I have memory cards plugged in slot 1 and 3.

When I power up, this is what I observe

All lights on MB go on and just stay on
The power supply fans go on
The Antec fans go on
The CPU fan momentarily wiggles and that's it

When I try to power off, I get no response so I need to click the power supply off.


I have taken MB out and reassembled it again. I made sure all the wires from Antec are properly plugged into MB. Usually when it boots up I see the MB lights blink a lot and then it boots and I see boot up on screen. Since the lights stay on and don't blink, I assume the graphic card is not relevant to problem but that and Antec box is the only thing really left. I don't notice anything being shorted out either.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: GA-EP45-UD3R will not boot - NEED HELP
Post by: Aussie Allan on May 14, 2011, 08:20:19 am

 there's always the chance someone on this site will put there finger right on the problem, ... until then, you have to start somewhere, download MemTestx86 or 64 on to your boot media (USB or Burn an ISO to disc) and try to boot into this environment attempting to test your memory.

 Just getting to the test will tell you oodles, Try this and come back with a result.

 Aussie Allan
Title: Re: GA-EP45-UD3R will not boot - NEED HELP
Post by: Dark Mantis on May 14, 2011, 08:43:28 am
Hi

You haven't said if this is a new build or has been running alright for a while.

Firstly follow Allan's advice and see if any of you memory is faulty. If that doesn't get you anywhere I would suggest going back to basics and try only the essentials.

The next thing is to remove the motherboard form the case and test it on the workbench.

Make sure that you observe anti-static precautions.

Lay some cardboard or use the motherboard box that is non-conductive on the worktop and remove the motherboard/CPU/heatsink/fan/buzzer/one stick of memory and PSU from the case and put it on the cardboard. Add the keyboard and now I know you haven't got any graphics but try and boot. The system should try and then fail emitting a series of beeps. Please post what sounds it makes.
Title: Re: GA-EP45-UD3R will not boot - NEED HELP
Post by: prioris on May 14, 2011, 02:56:45 pm
I built the machine about 16 months ago and ran fine and long story on how I reached this point but I am at this point.

I am getting NO BEEPS to help me diagnostically.

I even had the MB and Power Supply replaced.

Before I replaced MB, I just plugged in the power cord and 4 wires (HD,RES,POWER,....) while it was out of Antec chassis
and still no beep. I haven't tried this with replacement yet. Gigabyte even told me the original board worked.

There are cases where faulty power supply could cause problems.

I unplug the Graphics card and memory completely and st6ill no beeps to indicate missing memory or graphics.

THEN

I tried just putting in only first memory stick in slot 1 and still no beep.
I tried just putting in only second memory stick in slot 1 and still no beep.

I think the CPU fan should only start up if the CPU reaches higher temperature and should turn on and off accordingly.
The CPU fan is plugged in.

In the old MB board, I tried re-seating the CPU.

Without any memory or graphics card on board, I am down  to focusing on

1) CPU seating
2) Trying MB out of the chassis and unplugging everything except power cord and 4 wires (HD,RES,POWER,....)
3) Power supply

I've came across a 2009  post on tom's hardware where more than a few people SEEM to have somewhat similar problem  of NO BEEP although no solution was posted. Their computers worked fine for a year or more and then all of a sudden theyt stopped working and NO BEEPS. One guy had it happen to two different computers in home around same time.

I've been at my wits end.

Title: Re: GA-EP45-UD3R will not boot - NEED HELP
Post by: Dark Mantis on May 14, 2011, 03:26:48 pm
As a matter of interest what have you got installed so that you can hear the BIOS beeps, a speaker or a buzzer ?
Title: Re: GA-EP45-UD3R will not boot - NEED HELP
Post by: Aussie Allan on May 14, 2011, 03:34:56 pm
 Bingo!........Sorry for my dry Aussie humour but DM might have nailed it .........Most assumed the speaker is integrated on the motherboard or they can just die........check!.........is there anyway you can check the CPU.....another board/setup or a mate.......with what you've already checked, there not that much more it could be except a infected or corrupt bios...............did you load anything on to your system immediately pri to it going tits-up???

 P.S you stated you got no beeps trying to go into memtest......did it actually boot into the interface ???

 Aussie Allan
Title: Re: GA-EP45-UD3R will not boot - NEED HELP
Post by: prioris on May 14, 2011, 03:50:24 pm
I have always heard the beeps on boot up

I got the HDD Audio hooked in

even if it was an audio problem, it would likely still boot

correction
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Without any memory or graphics card on board, I am down to focusing on

1) CPU seating
2) Trying replacement MB out of the chassis and unplugging everything except power cord, cpu stuff and 4 wires (HD,RES,POWER,....)
3) Power supply

I figure with just these involved I should get at least some BEEPS


I think the CPU fan should only start up if the CPU reaches higher temperature and should turn on and off accordingly. Maybe I am wrong.

The CPU fan has been checked and rechecked over and over.
Title: Re: GA-EP45-UD3R will not boot - NEED HELP
Post by: Aussie Allan on May 14, 2011, 03:54:17 pm


 Are you seeing anything other then a black screen!

 Aussie Allan
Title: Re: GA-EP45-UD3R will not boot - NEED HELP
Post by: prioris on May 14, 2011, 04:00:02 pm
screen is black
no screen output
Title: Re: GA-EP45-UD3R will not boot - NEED HELP
Post by: prioris on May 14, 2011, 04:05:02 pm
As far as where beep comes from

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Motherboards either have a small speaker on the motherboard or have pins on the motherboard that connect to a small speaker on the case to make the beep. It is independent of whatever audio controller is on the motherboard.
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Title: Re: GA-EP45-UD3R will not boot - NEED HELP
Post by: Aussie Allan on May 14, 2011, 04:09:02 pm


  Wo,Wo,Wo ... go back a step......You have a black sceen when your computer is off / on / booting up / shutting down / you see nothing no matter what you do or power up ?

 Aussie Allan
Title: Re: GA-EP45-UD3R will not boot - NEED HELP
Post by: Dark Mantis on May 14, 2011, 04:20:48 pm
Please can you just answer the original question of what you have installed on the board to hear the beeps. HDD audio doesn't count!
Title: Re: GA-EP45-UD3R will not boot - NEED HELP
Post by: prioris on May 14, 2011, 04:27:06 pm

always black screen no matter what

I read in manual where it uses Award BIOS
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Q: What do the beeps emitted during the POST mean?
A: The following Award BIOS beep code descriptions may help you identify possible computer problems.
(For reference only.)
1 short: System boots successfully
2 short: CMOS setting error
1 long, 1 short: Memory or motherboard error
1 long, 2 short: Monitor or graphics card error
1 long, 3 short: Keyboard error
1 long, 9 short: BIOS ROM error
Continuous long beeps: Graphics card not inserted properly
Continuous short beeps: Power error
=======

even with no graphics or memory, it should indicate something
Title: Re: GA-EP45-UD3R will not boot - NEED HELP
Post by: Aussie Allan on May 14, 2011, 04:58:27 pm

 Your lucky enough to have the ear of the moderator of this site.....when he asks....what- do- you- have- installed- on- the- board-(or case)- to- hear- the- beeps,........ he has good reason for asking....AA
Title: Re: GA-EP45-UD3R will not boot - NEED HELP
Post by: prioris on May 14, 2011, 05:16:17 pm
The only installed stuff on MB are the CPU, MEMORY and GRAPHICS CARD.

There is the BIOS and CMOS but they are hard soldered into board.
This replacement board is brand new so I have to assume they work OK.

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The BIOS on the motherboard contains the instructions on how the computer boots and is only modified or updated with BIOS updates, the CMOS is powered by a CMOS battery and contains your system settings and is modified and changed by entering the CMOS Setup.
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I have heard people removing CMOS battery for 30 minutes to erase CMOS and then reinstalling and putting it back in and then trying to reboot.


Title: Re: GA-EP45-UD3R will not boot - NEED HELP
Post by: Aussie Allan on May 14, 2011, 05:46:05 pm

 

       Do YOU have ANY of THESE in the Tower, case, computer.........AA
Title: Re: GA-EP45-UD3R will not boot - NEED HELP
Post by: prioris on May 14, 2011, 06:29:58 pm
I can't find where it explicit comes from but it always sounded like MB
Below are the specs for MB and chassis - so I have to figure audio beep is on MB


ANTEC 200 specs

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CPU cut-out allows for easy installation of CPU coolers
Bottom-mounted power supply isolates heat and noise
Perforated front bezel delivers maximum air intake
Cable management compartment organizes cables discreetly
Front-loaded HDD cage for up to 6 hard disk drives
Cable management ties help keep your case tidier

10 drive bays:
- 6 x internal 3.5" HDDs
- 3 x external 5.25" HDDs
- 1 x external front-loaded hot swap 3.5" SATA hard drive caddy
7 expansion slots for plenty of flexibility

Cooling system:
- 1 x top special 140mm TwoCool™ fan
- 1 x rear 120mm TwoCool™ fan
- 2 x front 120mm fans for HDDs (optional)
- 1 x side 120mm fan for graphics cards (optional)

Front ports:
- 2 x USB 2.0
- Audio (AC'97 and HDA compatible) In and Out

Washable air filters for quick, easy cleaning
Maximum video card size: 11.5"/292mm (Note: some video cards may require removal of the adjacent hard drive cage)
Motherboards: Mini-ITX, microATX, Standard ATX
Power supply not included

Unit dimensions:
- 17.7" (H) x 7.9" (W) x 18.5" (D)
- 450mm (H) x 200mm (W) x 470mm (D)
Box dimensions:
- 21.3" (H) x 20.6" (W) x 11.2" (D)
- 541mm (H) x 523mm (W) x 284mm (D)
Net weight:
- 13.9 lbs / 6.3 kg
Gross weight:
- 16.8 lbs / 7.6 kg

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Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R spec


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General

    Product Type Motherboard - ATX
    Cache Memory None
    Chipset Type Intel P45 Express / Intel ICH10R
    Max Bus Speed 1600.0 MHz
    Processor Socket LGA775 Socket
    Max Processors Qty 1.0
    Compatible Processors Pentium Dual Core,
    Celeron 400 sequence,
    Celeron Dual Core,
    Core 2 Duo,
    Core 2 Quad,
    Core 2 Extreme

Memory

    Max Supported Memory 16.0 GB
    Supported RAM Technology DDR2 SDRAM
    Supported RAM Speed 667 MHz,
    800 MHz,
    1066 MHz
    RAM Features Dual channel memory architecture

Audio

    Type High Definition Audio (8-channel)
    Audio Codec Realtek ALC889A
    Compliant Standards High Definition Audio

LAN

    Network Controller Realtek RTL8111C
    Network Interfaces Gigabit Ethernet
    Modem None

Expansion / Connectivity

    Expansion Slot(s) 1.0 x Memory ( 1.8 V ) - DIMM 240-pin,
    3.0 x PCI Express x1 - LGA775 Socket,
    3.0 x PCI Express 2.0 x16,
    1.0 x PCI,
    4.0 x Processor
    Storage Interfaces Intel ICH10R : ATA-133 - connector(s): 2 x 7pin Serial ATA - 6.0 device(s) - RAID 0 / RAID 1 / RAID 10 / RAID 5,
    Serial ATA-300 - connector(s): 1 x 40pin IDC - 2.0 device(s) - RAID 0 / RAID 1 / JBOD,
    Serial ATA-300 - connector(s): 6 x 7pin Serial ATA - 2.0 device(s)
    Interfaces 1.0 x IEEE 1394 (FireWire) - Line-out (center/subwoofer) - Mini-phone 3.5 mm,
    1.0 x Audio - Generic - TOSLINK,
    1.0 x IEEE 1394 (FireWire) - Line-out (side surround) - Mini-phone 3.5 mm,
    1.0 x Network - SPDIF output - Mini-phone 3.5 mm,
    1.0 x Keyboard / mouse - Generic - Mini-phone 3.5 mm,
    1.0 x Hi-Speed USB - Floppy interface - RCA,
    1.0 x Audio - Ethernet 10Base-T/100Base-TX/1000Base-T - 34 pin IDC,
    1.0 x Audio - Line-out - 4 pin USB Type A,
    1.0 x Audio - SPDIF output - 4 pin FireWire,
    8.0 x Audio - Line-in - 6 pin mini-DIN (PS/2 style),
    1.0 x Microphone - Line-in - Mini-phone 3.5 mm,
    1.0 x Audio - Input - 4 pin MPC,
    1.0 x Audio - Line-out (rear) - 6 pin mini-DIN (PS/2 style),
    1.0 x Mouse - Mini-phone stereo 3.5 mm,
    1.0 x Storage - RJ-45,
    1.0 x Audio - 6 pin FireWire
    Additional Connectors (Optional) 4 x Hi-Speed USB,
    1 x IEEE 1394 (FireWire)
    Power Connectors 8-pin ATX12V connector,
    24-pin main power connector

Features

    BIOS Type Award
    BIOS Features DMI 2.0 support,
    ACPI 1.0b support,
    SMBIOS 2.4 support
    Hardware Monitoring Chassis fan tachometer,
    Chassis temperature,
    CPU core temperature,
    CPU overheating protection,
    System voltage,
    Power supply fan tachometer,
    CPU fan tachometer
    Hardware Features Q-Flash,
    Time Repair,
    Ultra Durable 3,
    Chassis intrusion detection,
    GIGABYTE Dynamic Energy Saver Advanced,
    DualBIOS,
    EasyTune6

Miscellaneous

    Cables Included 1.0 x Serial ATA cable,
    1.0 x IDE cable,
    1.0 x Serial ATA internal to external cable,
    4.0 x Floppy cable
    Software Included Norton Internet Security,
    EasyTune 6,
    Drivers & utilities,
    @BIOS,
    Q-Share
    Width 12.0 in
    Depth 9.6 in
==================================

Title: Re: GA-EP45-UD3R will not boot - NEED HELP
Post by: Dark Mantis on May 14, 2011, 06:32:02 pm
+1 for trying Allan but the OP doesn't have a buzzer installed. You can often tell more from what you are not told than from what you are.

The reason for not hearing any beeps is that there is no device to emit them.

Prioris

I would advise you to install a buzzer and then we can move on from there.
Title: Re: GA-EP45-UD3R will not boot - NEED HELP
Post by: Aussie Allan on May 14, 2011, 06:39:20 pm


  Breath in......breath out.........breath  in ............
Title: Re: GA-EP45-UD3R will not boot - NEED HELP
Post by: prioris on May 14, 2011, 07:21:15 pm
INSTALL BUZZER!!!!

you can't be serious

Title: Re: GA-EP45-UD3R will not boot - NEED HELP
Post by: Dark Mantis on May 14, 2011, 07:34:59 pm
Yes, very much so. With a buzzer installed we might be able to make a bit more sense of the problem. ;)
Title: Re: GA-EP45-UD3R will not boot - NEED HELP
Post by: prioris on May 14, 2011, 08:08:36 pm

I may have to resort to bringing computer on monday to place that repairs computers to see if they can diagnose it since they may be more set up to plug and play with parts. I just want to make sure I did what I could do on my end.

Title: Re: GA-EP45-UD3R will not boot - NEED HELP
Post by: Dark Mantis on May 14, 2011, 09:11:13 pm
Not being funny but that is probably the best idea as if you don't have much experience with computers it can get a bit over your head when trying to faultfind. Please let us know how you get on though. ;)
Title: Re: GA-EP45-UD3R will not boot - NEED HELP
Post by: F5BJR on May 14, 2011, 09:59:29 pm
*
For test the good functionnaly of a motherboard you can with a minimum of components  :

Only Motherboard , CPU, Cooler , one memory stick in good place and

--> connect only a good PS2 keyboard

Start on , look the keyboard LED numlock normal is ON , push key numlock , look if LED numlock change to off

If that is OK stop and continue the test

If that is not possible you have a problem with CPU / RAM or Motherboard  

Also test with another power supply

--> After

Use if possible an old VGA / PCI card ( because use few power ) , connect a screen

Start  if you have the BIOS on the screen --> GOOD

Continue with your PCI-E VGA card  ....

Reinstall the others devices one by one ...

...

Pierre



Title: Re: GA-EP45-UD3R will not boot - NEED HELP
Post by: prioris on May 14, 2011, 10:28:08 pm
will try that later on