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Questions about GIGABYTE products => Motherboards with Intel processors => Topic started by: XLR on November 17, 2011, 04:30:11 pm
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Another problem with X58A-UD3R_rev2.0 and i7-980X:
I have 6 sticks of Corsair CMV4GX3M1A1333C9 (http://www.corsair.com/cmv4gx3m1a1333c9.html) memory. Each stick works fine individually and passes the Memtest, but when i install 4 or 6 sticks (in the right slots according to the manual) - i get random restarts freezes and Memtest errors. In 1333Mhz it's a total nightmare - freezes all over the place, and in 1066Mhz when the system boots it seems to work, but 8 out of 10 boots i get black screen right after BIOS and before the OS starts loading.
Tried updating and resetting BIOS, replacing the memory with Kingston KVR1333D3N9/4G (http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/configurator_new/partsinfo.asp?ktcpartno=KVR1333D3N9/4G), removing all PCI cards, replacing the ATI 5770 with ATI 5450, but nothing helps... Is there a way to diagnose the RAM slots or something? Is there anything else i can do?
(http://i.imgur.com/39R2b.jpg)
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Glancing a little into your issue raised a few questions from me.
First off. Corsair Memory — 4GB DDR3 Memory (CMV4GX3M1A1333C9). It comes in a 4 pack. Where did you get 2 extra to make 6?
Secondly. Did you look at your motherboard's recommended RAM list before purchasing the RAM?
Link: http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList/Memory/mb_memory_ga-x58a-ud3r_v2.0.pdf (http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList/Memory/mb_memory_ga-x58a-ud3r_v2.0.pdf)
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Hi XLR,
I check here : http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3449#sp
GA-X58A-UD3R (rev. 2.0) Specifications
6 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets supporting up to 24 GB of system memory(Note 1)
Dual/3 channel memory architecture
Support for DDR3 2200/1333/1066/800 MHz memory modules
Support for non-ECC memory modules
Support for Extreme Memory Profile (XMP) memory modules
So you are right with your number of stick of ram.
I imagine you place 4 sticks on Dual Channel. And 6 sticks on 3 Channel...
EDIT01:
I see this:
http://www.valueram.com/datasheets/KVR1333D3N9_4G.pdf
but I do not have a similar information about your Corsair RAM.
About corsair:
I just view in the specs : Size 4GB Kit (1 x 4GB)
Probably a mistake. Correct me if possible ... but I think it's 4x1GB.
If you mix a sticks ram, with different brands and model, you have many possibility to have problem.
By exemple, if a ram have a number of chips different. Or model of chip like 256M x 8-bit.
Gloup_Gloup
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Wait wait wait. You mean to say he has 6 kits of 4 GB memory sticks in all of his RAM slots?
No wonder he's having problems.
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Hi Azure Prower,
I am just surprise by the price for the Corsair'Ram. Our Price: $34.99 showing in the page web.
You find normal this price for a 1x4Gb module. Or so, the price is mistake.
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About corsair:
I just view in the specs : Size 4GB Kit (1 x 4GB)
Probably a mistake. Correct me if possible ... but I think it's 4x1GB.
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Gloup_Gloup
Or just one stick of 1x1Gb...
Another problem with X58A-UD3R_rev2.0 and i7-980X:
I have 6 sticks of Corsair CMV4GX3M1A1333C9 (http://www.corsair.com/cmv4gx3m1a1333c9.html) memory. Each stick works fine individually and passes the Memtest, but when i install 4 or 6 sticks (in the right slots according to the manual)
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So wait en see a answer from XLR...
Gloup_Gloup
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Glancing a little into your issue raised a few questions from me.
First off. Corsair Memory — 4GB DDR3 Memory (CMV4GX3M1A1333C9). It comes in a 4 pack. Where did you get 2 extra to make 6?
No, it comes like this: http://i.imgur.com/2VVJV.jpg
Secondly. Did you look at your motherboard's recommended RAM list before purchasing the RAM?
Link: http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList/Memory/mb_memory_ga-x58a-ud3r_v2.0.pdf (http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList/Memory/mb_memory_ga-x58a-ud3r_v2.0.pdf)
Yes, just to realize that it's so outdated that it doesn't includes any 4GB sticks...
Wait wait wait. You mean to say he has 6 kits of 4 GB memory sticks in all of his RAM slots?
No wonder he's having problems.
OMG, why? :o
Then how can i get this board to work with 24GB?
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If you mix a sticks ram, with different brands and model, you have many possibility to have problem.
By exemple, if a ram have a number of chips different. Or model of chip like 256M x 8-bit.
Gloup_Gloup
I didn't mix them, i have 6 identical Corsair sticks (4GB each one) and 4 Kingston sticks (also 4 GB each), their specs are hyperlinked in first post. Each stick individually seems to be healthy and passes Memtest.
I had no problems with 3X4 setup with both Corsair or Kingston. But when i try to use Corsair in a 4X4 or 6X4 setup, or Kingston in a 4X4 - it doesn't works and everything freezes and crashes. The thing is that i need 24GB, and i'm completely lost... :'(
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Hi XLR,
Okay, because your Corsair Ram are single sided module. And your Kingston Ram are double sided module.
So he is not good idea mix this.
What is your OS? Like Windows 7 64bit x64 for example. Please give more infos about your hardware... PSU, Graphics card, etc....
Have you tried made a change in Bios in MIT section?
Gloup_Glouup
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I just checked and this Corsair is actually double sided, but i still won't mix them unless necessary.
Here's the tech specs:
CPU: i7-980 Extreme (http://ark.intel.com/products/47932) (no overclocking)
Motherboard: (started with BIOS version FF and upgraded to the latest Fh3)
GPU: Gigabyte ATI HD 5770 GV-R577UD-1GD (http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3283#sp)
PSU: Seasonic SS-600ET (http://www.seasonic.com/product/pc_atx.jsp) 600W
HDD: 1X Samsung 502HJ and 2X Hitachi Deskstar 7K3000 2000GB
OS: Win7Pro64 and a certain distribution of FreeBSD
The only change i made in MIT is set the SPD to 8 in order to run the memory at 1066. Everything else is set by "Load Optimized Settings" defaults.
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I just checked and this Corsair is actually double sided, but i still won't mix them unless necessary.
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The only change i made in MIT is set the SPD to 8 in order to run the memory at 1066. Everything else is set by "Load Optimized Settings" defaults.
Hi XLR, ;)
hen I see your picture (http://i.imgur.com/2VVJV.jpg) it seems to me, that the memory module (computer chips or micro circuit) are only one side of the stick of memory.
In contrast, the stick of Kingston, appears to have electronic circuit (chips) on the TWO (2) side of the stick of ram.
My message is more clear, now? I hope... :P
Best regards,
Gloup_Gloup
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Nah, both sides: http://i.imgur.com/UFYJs.jpg
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Nah, both sides: http://i.imgur.com/UFYJs.jpg
Hi XLR, ;)
Okay now is clear. Your Ram have double sided circuit.
So I think the best is the remove paper on the Ram.
For the heat is dissipated better.
This is just a suggestion.
Gloup_Gloup
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What? It doesn't generates any noticeable heat, and I'm afraid this unnecessary paper removal may also void warranty.
However, the Kingston ones don't have those paper stickers - and they still don't work when i install more than 3 of them.
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Hi XLR,
Okay, for warranty raison. Keep a paper on Corsair and Kingston Ram.
I understand.
Gloup_Gloup.
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From what I understand, you have 6 DIMM RAM occupying 6 of your RAM slots?
When trouble shooting the problem for my motherboard which is newer than yours. I found out that I could only have 3 out of the 4 double-sided RAM sticks I purchased.
From what I've been told. You can only use all 6 RAM slots if your RAM sticks are SIMM (ie. chips on one side only). Since your RAM sticks are DIMMs (dual-sided), you can only have 3.
Meaning, if you want 24GB of memory. You're going to have wait to purchase 8 GB RAM sticks I'm afraid.
This is why when you put more than 3 DIMMs in your RAM slots, your PC goes on the fritz.
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Hi Azure Prower,
I read your answer.
But I also read the manual for this motherboard.
There is no mention of the use of single sided memory.
Normally this is mentioned in the documentation if it is a requirement for the single sided.
Or if Dual sided is not accepted.
Finally I've seen the manual mentioned.
But I do not know if it was from Gigabyte.
I have a suggestion, XLR have a possibility to could reduce (release) the timings of the ram in the BIOS.
He could also disable XMP profile and use the JDEC profile.
Just for see if the situation change. if situation are better.
EDIT01:
I have a comprehension about dual sided : this Ram put more of an electrical load on a motherboard.
Ohhh, I remember... sometime the chipset is a limited factor.
I search about this.
EDIT02:
About CPU:
In this source : http://ark.intel.com/compare/47932
I view :
Max Memory Size (dependent on memory type) 24 GB
Memory Types DDR3-1066
So initially, I still say that in Bios, there must be change, not only in terms of timing of RAM, but also in terms of frequency memory like 1066.
But I view this : # of Memory Channels 3
So why manual of Gigabyte said : dual or tree channel is accepted?
In pratice, in fact, normaly is possible place a Ram in single, dual or triple channel. If the motherboard is for tree channel .. I think. ???
Finally, perhaps not with 24 GB of Ram. But say with 8 GB in 4x2Go or 6 GB in 3x2Go.
Even though I know that it is better in principle to have fewer stick of memory. Like 2x4Go.
Gloup_Gloup
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Hi friends,
In the Bios, the timings, QPI/Vtt, DRAM voltage and memroy controller voltage, have a needs a tweaking for this situation : Full bank of memory is populated.
So, ensure in Bios, you have a correct parameters.
Adjust the tension of the ram to get 1.5 volts.
Relax the timings of the ram for less than 9-9-9-24.
Check the result in windows with CPUID CPU-Z. See SPD Tab, check JEDEC less than 9-9-9-24.
You can enter the value of JEDEC in the Bios.
While it is defintiely possible that two kits would run together in the same system, there is a chance that you may need to reduce the speed of the memory due to motherboard chipset limitations when populating more than one memory module per channel on the board. If you have problems mixing sets, it is suggested to manually lower the frequency of the memory.
Adjust the speed of ram at 1066 for start.
In Bios, in the section of MIT (MB Intelligent Tweaker), in the Advanced Frenquency Settings:
Put Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P) to Enabled.
Systeme Memory Multiplier (SPD) To Auto
Memory Frequency (Mhz) To 1333 or 1066 (check it)
if not display put DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) in Quick Mode, and change manually the value of Profile DDR Voltage.
Take a time for read your manual of motherboard.
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But if you do not ensure about actuals parameters in BIOS, Begin whit this instructions:
I cited Dark Mantis's instructions :
Hi
The first thing to try is to clear the CMOS. Please follow these instructions exactly.
Remove the power cable from the mains supply and then press the power switch on the case for a few seconds just to drain any residual energy in the PSU capacitors.
Once done remove the motherboard battery for at least one hour before replacing it.
Next plug back into the mains supply and boot.
You will now need to enter the BIOS by pressing DEL and load Optimised BIOS Defaults.
Make any other changes to the BIOS settings to suit your self like disabling the floppy drive, disabling the full screen logo and making the HDD the primary boot device and then press F10 to save and exit.
Maybe try with just a one stick of Ram.
When things go better with a single stick of ram, you gradually add others.
Set Disable in Bios at QuickBoot if you have it.
Set Disabled in Bios at Full Screen Logo Show.
Gloup_Gloup.
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Hi folks,
I came across this older post several weeks after it ended and was surprised. Since my son's X58A-UD3R Rev 1.0 system has been running a mixture of 2X 8Gb of Kingston KHX1333C9D3B1K2/8G and 1X 8GB G.Skill Sniper F3-10666CL9D-8GBSR for a total of 24GB of Ram with zero problems for the last few months.
http://www.valueram.com/datasheets/KHX1333C9D3B1K2_8G.pdf
http://www.gskill.com/products.php?index=337
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Hi Carvetii, ;)
Welcome to forum,
Good to know.
Have you made changes to the BIOS in order to facilitate the mutual condition between the sticks of ram?
Gloup_Gloup
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I came across this older post several weeks after it ended and was surprised. Since my son's X58A-UD3R Rev 1.0 system has been running a mixture of 2X 8Gb of Kingston KHX1333C9D3B1K2/8G and 1X 8GB G.Skill Sniper F3-10666CL9D-8GBSR for a total of 24GB of Ram with zero problems for the last few months.
Hi
Certainly a lucky man! As a matter of interest are the two different makes/models of memory using the same make of RAM chips as this is sometimes the case and would explain why these two apparently different sticks are working together ?
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Hi again,
I think it's just a matter of combined component tolerances of the MB if it will or will not correctly run different types of Ram. Call it luck or what ever but, this dirt cheap (e..y auction $50) MB seems to run any type of Ram while another MB can be sensitive to what Ram they use. The longest MB has run torture test like Mem86 is for 10 Hrs without a hiccup or error. In fact as an experiment when the first installed I ran BLCK up to 190 with 6gb of cheap Crucial Ballistix Sport PC3-10600 Ram for 3.9K OC .But, of course the core temps soon became to high in the Prime95 torture test. And, without any changes other changes to BIOS other than BLCK.
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I would agree that tolerances are an important aspect but I would say that it is more than likely down to the memory controller itself. Anyway, for whatever reason at least they work together! ;)