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Title: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Budda_357 on March 18, 2012, 02:26:41 pm
Hi, Guys
          My first post I have a stable overclock of 4.5 GHz (stressed tested) when I put my system into sleep mode upon waking the core clock drops to 1.6 GHz and loading all cores 100% does not boost the core clock but stays at 1.6 GHz.
I have originally disabled C3/C6, C1 & CPU phase lock loop settings (reset these to auto had no effect either). have the F5 bios applied and did notice that there is a beta for F6 bios update available with a reported "power on issue" fix. Does anybody have knowledge of what the power on issue it is relating to (other OEMs list a PDF download providing detailed information relating to what that bios update issue fixes which would be nice).
I come from an electronics engineering background in consumer electronics (providing tech support for OEM product service providers progressing into IT an systems) so emailed Gigabyte Tech support and feel am getting the "carbon based life form auto response" form that they fill in the blanks. ??? Attributing the problem to ram, try different CPU etc, etc but no way entertaining may need a bios fix ::)  >:( After seeing a number of reports with this same mobo issue thought their response would be Gigabyte are aware of the problem and are working on a bios update to address this problem not the diplomatic protected answer.
This issue only happens with sleep mode if use hibernation the core clock remains at the overclocked settings.

Have searched the web and noticed quite a few people are reporting this same issue surely I can not be the only person emailing Gigabyte tech support reporting this same issue with this model mobo.
http://boardreader.com/thread/Gigabyte_GA_Z68XP_UD4_Sleep_Issue_Loses_i49rvXyq7.html (http://boardreader.com/thread/Gigabyte_GA_Z68XP_UD4_Sleep_Issue_Loses_i49rvXyq7.html) this link has a lot of links to the various forums like Tweak Town, Toms Hardware and others with this same mobo issue.
As a last test will download the latest F6 bios load the optimized bios settings and test then load my flash drive saved overclock bios settings to see what happens. You would assume if it were to do with overclock that would get a few reboot loops.
Has anybody have this same problem or know if there is a fix.
Unfortunately have lost both my legs to diabetes so had to retire young a couple of years ago and took up video and photo editing and would like to be able to use the sleep function so can finish projects the next day.
If i can not find a fix then a last resort would be to re enable hibernation as my C drive is an SSD so booting is not a problem I run a 1TB  HDD for a lot of program files and the obligatorily menu bar bar link libraries in this drive to save SSD space in addition, as I have saved space in the SSD  it has 68 gig of free space I can afford to loose 4 gig for hibernation mode.  :(
Any help or suggestion would be greatly appreciated  :D
Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Lsdmeasap on March 19, 2012, 06:34:32 am
The power on issue is related to boot loops and power cycles when starting the board, those BIOS updates update the embedded Intel ME firmware, and are highly suggested!

It is also suggest that with all BIOS updates performed on P67/Z68 that you also update the backup BIOS to match the same version as the main BIOS.  To do that follow this guide, you may need to use PS/2 keyboard or USB to PS/2 adapter
http://gigabytedaily.blogspot.com/2011/02/video-guide-how-to-update-your-backup.html

As for your sleep issue, disable CPU PLL Overvoltage and that might sort it out, otherwise your system may not be as stable as you thought it was.   System must be 100% tested stable to be able to resume from sleep properly, but it could also be a old BIOS bug or related to not having matching BIOSes, so please update to the latest BIOS as mentioned above and then try again.

DO NOT use saved BIOS profiles from one version of a BIOS to another.   And keep in mind when changing BIOS versions you cannot always use the same exact settings between versions as many things are often changed internally.   So you may need to tweak and test, tweak some more, ect until you get stable again on the new BIOS.

Very sorry to hear about your legs!!!!!!!!!

Yes, if you can't get it going then hibernation may be a good choice, or just shut down and bootup when needed, it only takes a little bit to start up anyway.

16GB of memory probably does not help the sleep issue either.   Raising the memory voltage might help with that, but not sure as that is a lot of memory to keep stable during sleep.  Do you have these issues if you only use 8GB? Just wondering if you've tested that
Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Dark Mantis on March 19, 2012, 09:57:21 am
As Lsdmeasap just mentioned a lot of memory doesn't help with sleep mode but I can understand that because of what you use the computer for (audio and video editing) that more memory is better. Your system must be 100% stable to use sleep mode successfully.
Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Budda_357 on March 19, 2012, 08:27:21 pm
Hi Guys
              Thank you for the replies today received an email from Gigabyte requesting my MB serial number & MB bios screen images so they can further investigate

Re the amount of ram used have seen other posts with the same issue and only 4 gig of installed ram.
All the post have seen all appears to have the 4.5 Gig overclock.
My overclock settings are
Disabled following settings : CPU PLL over voltage
                                                 : CPU Enhanced C1E,
                                                 : C3/C6
                                                 : CPU EIST (left the CPU Thermal monitor on auto)
                              Adjustments : V core voltage set to 1.350V
                                                 : Multi Step set to level 5
                                                 : Memory Dram Voltage set to 1.51
                                                 : Ram set to XMP profile 1 
Since it may be attributable to the ram is it worth some slight tweaking here to see if it may fix the sleep problem.
XMP Profile 1 settings are
                                      RC:41
                                      PRD:6
                                      WTR:6
                                      WR:12
                                      WTP:24
                                      WL:8
                                      RFC:128
                                      RTP:6
                                      FAW:30
                                      CMD:2
I am hesitant to adjust the ram timings as I know the damage that happens with bad adjustments.
After I disable the XMP Profile & set performance enhance to turbo, time select SPD to quick & set SPD multiplier to 1600.
Would adjusting the Dram voltage setting up a little more to 1.53V be aid in stability 
With a slight tweaking to the timings then that of XMP profile especially the red ones that have the greatest affect to the stability be a help. 
                                      RC:37
                                      PRD:5
                                      WTR:5
                                      WR:10
                                      WTP:22
                                      WL:7
                                      RFC:123
                                      RTP:5
                                      FAW:29
                                      CMD:1 
So all you hard core gamers who love tweaking their ram & some have advice or criticisms to the settings that I have above or should just leave it to the rams stored XMP  Profile to manage.
Thanking you in advance  for any help or advice. Would be nice to have another rig that would not worry me if it crashed and burned to gain some ram tweaking experience on.
Have a great day
Have a great day
Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Lsdmeasap on March 20, 2012, 12:05:08 pm
Can you please test with 8GB only and see if you still have the issue, thanks!

Just a tip, with 8-16GB of memory, you may need to increase QPI/Vtt 1.14-1.2+, and System Agent may need 1.14-1.24

If this kit was not sold as a whole (16GB kit), then XMP should not be used, as the XMP would be for 8GB kit if you bought two 8GB kits

Lowering memory timings, like you have in Red above, are not going to help.   If you wanted to see if any of that would help you need to raise them not lower.   You also need to verify the actual applied auto setting in windows with AIDA64 (In Motherboard, chipset, then NB) as the settings you see in the BIOS on the left are not what is actually used 99.9% of the time.   So check actual value in windows for auto, then raise above that in the BIOS if you want to try other settings.

Higher tRFC may help (140-160), and higher tRC might help too, as well as command rate 2T. Write Latency 8-9 should be fine.   I think Auto will probably be fine, but you can raise these mentioned to see if it helps, if not then adjust the voltages mentioned above as well as a little bump in ram voltage, and then if you get it working you can try to lower memory timings back down.
Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Budda_357 on March 20, 2012, 07:21:47 pm
Hi, Lsdmesup
                    Thank you for the reply.
I originally had set the QPI to 1.151 and with the last Bios update left that setting on auto (as sleep issue was with the volts set) when going through the overclock settings (after the last update is first time copied that bin file to the usb flash drive so will go back to manually overclocking)
When I flash with the bios F6 firmware update. Will try with the 8 gig of ram only and let you know if it resolves the issue.
I always buy my ram in kits not 2 kits but one complete kit of ram as I know the kit is matched tested set of ram modules.
As I am not a gamer (want the extra ram for my 64 bit editing software to use that 32 bit has the 3 gig mathematical limit) I have never been bothered to tweak ram but will look around for a cheap system to try to get some experience so if it crashes and burns wont be a loss.

Been looking into the new Ivy-bridge and seeing reporting won't over clock as easy as sandy-bridge without some serious cooling options like phase shift or liquid nitrogen cooling (seen around 100c reports 95c when using prime) so will be a wait and see game after Fridays reported June release of the new unlocked Ivy-bridge I7 & I5 chips are overclocked and see what the extra will so for my encoding to see if will be worth the spend
Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Budda_357 on March 20, 2012, 07:32:24 pm
Sorry my bad for the miss spell lsdmeasap  ::) thought you were using an acronym for the LSD hence my spelling error Lsdmesup my apologies  ;D 
Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Lsdmeasap on March 21, 2012, 09:24:46 am
Any luck with the 8GB test?   Just checking in :D  And no worries about how anyone spells my name!  

I am using it as you thought, hence the Mad Hatter Avatar :D :)

Here's a closer look / better image :)  

(http://i.imgur.com/XjGGP.jpg)

Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Budda_357 on March 21, 2012, 02:14:19 pm
Hi 
   No have not tried 8 Gig Ram yet. Like the Avarta since lost the pegs NN changed from tiny (196 cm) to hence Budda [sic] and a few of the forums use a Buddha for my Avitar my missus recons should go and get certified as a speed hump.
My Asus GPU all of a sudden SH*#T itself (It was only Oc'd 10 % lasted 2 weeks) Supplier sending new card.
Have my old Gainward GTX550Ti in a the moment when the new card shows up and when have a chance will do and let you know.
Also getting little worried about my Force 3 SSD (its s/n 113*) last few days have had a couple BSOD's (I thought corsair had finally fixed the SF2281 Bug) it has been running flawless for 6 months crash once on web 2 days ago nothing else running and today on editing a photo. It freezes (but cursor still moves and tries to launch task manager was going to try and kill the photo edit program). Happens a few times more will ring my supplier and Exch for a Corsair GT (twice as fast as the force 3 have not as many reported BSOD problems) or go with other another OEM (plenty out there with same SF2281bug). Do you use SSD system drive or have any recommendations. Shame my supplier does not stock the Crucial m4
Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Lsdmeasap on March 22, 2012, 05:35:56 pm
Well when you get time please test 8GB, as I bet the issue is with the larger amount of memory, and if it works with 8GB you may just need to further tweak the 16GB to get it working.

I use C300 SSD's, no problems with those ever.

Haha, you lost me on your comments about the avatar :D
Quote
Like the Avarta since lost the pegs NN changed from tiny (196 cm) to hence Budda [sic] and a few of the forums use a Buddha for my Avitar my missus recons should go and get certified as a speed hump.

I know about Budda, but unsure what you meant about "pegs NN changed from tiny (196 cm)"
Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Budda_357 on March 22, 2012, 09:46:52 pm
Liked the look of your Mad-Hatter Avatar. Was impressed with the Johnny Depp's performance ;D in the remake he nailed to a tee with what I believe Lewis Carrol's interpretation in his great book.

Re the "NN" (Nickname) I was quite tall 6 foot 5  I played rugby in my younger days (oh so long ago) and my nickname was "Tiny".

 Re "Pegs" (Aussie slang for legs) Due to diabetes have misplaced both my legs & now am only 3 foot 2 so my nickname evolved to Buddha (I had to drop the H to get that for user name on some forums and use to use a Buddha avatar that found years ago sort looked my me) my missus calls me a certified speed hump.  ::)  :-*


Lost my first leg a week before my 40th (was fitted for a below knee prosthetic leg) and my second 3 years later. 2010 had to have further amputation to a above knee on the first leg lost. I have finally made the decision and going through rehab and having prosthesis's made and learn to walk again after a number of years (of having the sh..ts with the whole political process with our health system here to get legs so didn't bother for so long).
Spoke to my supplier on the SSD they are going to change it and decided to go for the Corsair 240 Gig GT drive (prices have started to drop quite a bit here on some of the SSDs over the last couple of months from $487 to to the $360 mark they say they may even get to the $1 per GB by the end of 2012)
 
When the new Asus GPU card arrives will try with just 8 gig ram and try.

By the way received a strange request from Gigabyte now want my CPU and RAM mess serial numbers  ??? Can understand with the RAM (their module support listings are sparse and outdated) but CPU is a normal SKU D2 stepping I7-2600K  :-\
Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Lsdmeasap on March 23, 2012, 04:33:42 pm
Haha, thanks!   Ya, I just got kind of lost in your comment I guess, and since I'm not from your area some of the slang wasn't helping me try and figure it out :)

Man, I'm sorry again about what happened!  That's sucks!! :(  But you seem to be in good spirits about it now, so that's good to hear!

It's nice that you're going to rehab and getting prosthetics, that'll be so cool for you to be able to walk again, I couldn't imagine how that would be not being able to walk!  So I hope that goes smoothly for you, and you start walking again easy and soon!

Nice to hear the supplier will exchange your SSD's for you, that's cool of them!

They probably want the serial numbers to verify CPU stepping, and what IC's are used on the memory.  That sounds normal to me, so nothing to worry about there, send the info to them as it may help them try to diagnose the issue.
Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Budda_357 on March 24, 2012, 07:34:52 am
Hi, Lsdmeasap
                     Today after your advice tried a few different settings left my BCKL Freq set to 1002 = 100.2 MHz Set QPI to 1.150 and Dram Volts to 1.515V manually set ram SPD to the 1600 instead of Auto and left set to XMP Profile
And sleep function now works fine. Core Temp displays after wake-up now Frequency 4501.48MHz 100.3x45  ;D instead of x16 as it was displaying before when waking from sleep mode
With QPI first test thought set to 1.150V (unless I had a brain fart and set 1.500 but with 1.2 being max Vtt) Dram 1.525V When came out of sleep core temp was displaying Freq 7.600.xx MHz 200x38 (which has to be a strange error otherwise goodby system and the old radio engineers motto: "tune for maximum smoke" with a 200MHz internal base clock freq) booted back into Bios and multiplier had changed to 38 but base clock freq displayed my original setting 100.2 MHz.  ??? So went through and manually input my settings again.

If I was rich would love to watch a system go poof and see what happens when I and if able to set the core clock to the 200Mhz (should have taken a screen shot but did not want of chance fate in case it was actually correct).

So now over the next few days will do a couple of 12 plus hour stress testing if OK will leave those setting or change them by small increments till stable

I gave Gigabyte the Corsair ram kit number but will send them what they asked for and what settings have used when I am satisfied it is stable will attach the prime log

Received email from Paragon yesterday I have used their product for years (made sure that have downloaded and saved to a number of discs all of my WinPE boot images
"You own a Paragon product with the WinPE recovery environment. We would like to inform you that Microsoft has changed its license conditions, (probably want buckets loads more money) meaning that we will no longer be allowed to offer you the Paragon WinPE as of March 30, 2012." (Billy Gates was still smarting and a sore loser from his stoush with IBM and the DOS licensing fiasco that was the cause of Vista to be a lame dog  ::)) I wonder how many other companies as well.  :o  >:(  Bill probably thinks "Paybacks a Bitch" and this is thrill from the sidelines

So today found this "Don’t worry: you won’t have to do without the convenience of the Paragon WinPE medium that you’re used to. After April 1st, 2012, you can download the Paragon Boot Media Builder which will help you conveniently create your own WinPE CD, DVD or USB stick yourself."    :)  :D  :)  8)
They must have known something was in the wind
Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Lsdmeasap on March 24, 2012, 06:42:54 pm
Awesome to hear you got sleep working smoothly now, that's great!!  So, is that with all 16GB too?

Haha, it would just fail to boot if you set 200 Bclk, nothing dangerous about that.  Sometimes it could get stuck in a loop though, so you'd have to clear the CMOS to fix it.

Sorry to hear about your paragon issue, that's odd to hear!   Time to switch to macrium reflect now! :D  Ohh, ya, or use the new tool they are offering!

Sorry this is short, I'm in a hurry as I have to leave in a few!
Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Budda_357 on March 26, 2012, 05:41:59 pm
Hi, Lsdmeasap
  Yes that was with the full 16 gig of ram.
I had read by increasing the QPI helps with core temps as I have noticed in this case. With ambient temp 26c with a stress test loaded 100% all cores the highest max temp was 67c after 2 hours which have found is 7c cooler (same ambient temps) than when left QPI on auto.

 The Antec Khuler H2O 920 (had the 620 ran OK and quiet but disappointed with no user controls so exchanged for the 920 model) is a good bit of kit made by the same OEM (Asetek Inc) as for Corsairs coolers (Corsair do not have software but believe that was suppose to happen eventually. But the Corsairs water-block has a momentary switch to select between 3 modes quiet middle and extreme unfortunately with Corsair with extreme mode setting you need ear plugs) the Antec is quieter & comes with great piece of software so as to control the water blocks electronics.
The Antec's 620 model doesn't when you consider these were designed when CPU TDP's were 130c so the fan ramp up (single for this model but I had 2 in push pull config in addition, the fans are DC not PWM control) point for the coolers liquid took longer to reach due to the 95c TDP of Sandy Bridge you really need to be able to control the water blocks pump (so the liquid stays longer in the block to draw away the heat form the CPU) &  radiator fans even at CPU 67c core temps the GUI of the software displays the liquid temp as 36c and fan noise is whisper quiet with my settings. When the ambient temp gets over 30c can adjust so the fans run a little faster to help with those hot days. The only negative is you only have one custom setting it would be nice to be able to store 3
Regards Budda [sic]
Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Lsdmeasap on March 27, 2012, 06:51:51 am
Sorry about the late reply, I was in here earlier today but didn't get around to all the new posts!

Great to hear that was with all 16GB!   Ya, manually setting the voltage may help a few things, temps included, especially if auto it setting a higher value than what you actually need, which is often the case.

have you ever considered putting your own loop together with custom parts?   That's how I started in water, and I can't believe so many kits are out and available now, I mean most should want to build their own custom, but I guess $$ is the deciding factor usually.  Sounds like the kit you have keeps things cool though, so that's great!   What kind of load was your 2 hour 100% test?

I just leave mine (240 RAD with 4 fan push/pull) at one setting all the time, I call it medium.  The fan noise doesn't bother me at all, but I'm used to it I guess because I use a test bench for my system (Danger Den Torture Rack), so everything is right out in the open beside me 24/7

Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Budda_357 on March 27, 2012, 07:15:35 pm
Sounds like you love gaming so more an likely AMD card, dual, three or quad GPU setup?

My GTX560ti card (the replacement Asus card will be here by Friday) is a bit of overkill for a video editor but built has an all-rounder.

Use prime 95 for stress test 100% load 8 threads and was pleased that the core temps are 6 to 7C cooler with the last adjustments with same ambient temp. Over the week will do a couple of 12 hr tests

Originally considered a custom water build did look at all the kits now available even with led light back-light reservoir and the number of different fluro coloured (that's how we spell it in Australia but the kids today here spell it the American way "color") coolant the cost sort of took me back.

As I have only one card  and only Oc'd 10% (found no real benefit with GPU encoding by overclocking the GPU) so use the 1 side intake fan to help cool the GPU heatsink. So with your custom built cooler can you also monitor GPU core & memory temps as well?

Google your "Danger Den Torture Rack" (so that's where Antec got their idea for the "Antec Skeleton Case") looks like a good testing jig for the series gamer, proto type system builder (easy to change the inevitable component crashes)

Was listening to a radio show here the noise was deafening in the background the radio jock ask the caller what was all the noise the caller said it was his gaming computer which was mounted inside a refrigerator to help try to keep it cool lol

Use the ThemalTake A60 case with 4 intake fans and 2 out take fans on the top case air vents keeps the unit cool. 

Ran this rig on my own basic test jig when building
Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Lsdmeasap on March 28, 2012, 07:05:07 am
Haha, nope!   I actually don't game at all :D   I like to bench (Extreme - Dry Ice, phase change coolers, ect), and review hardware, so doing those I sometimes have to use a game for review comparisons or benchmarks, but that's all the games my system ever sees :)

560 TI's are nice cards, hopefully you will enjoy it!   And yes, even though I don't game at all, I''m an ATI/AMD card fan!  Usually single, but sometimes I test or bench with 2-3

Nice to hear your temps are still good!  I know what you mean, some of that fancy stuff can add up the prices when building a custom loop, but all you really need is a good rad 240-360 or so, good block, and then a decent sized reservoir, and of course an assortment of fans too.   No need to pay for fancy LED's if you don't want them.  Here's a pic of my setup a while back during a P67 review, so you can see my open case and water cooling setup click to enlarge

(http://i.imgur.com/DWIp6.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/lSCJM.jpg)

Phase change setup! :D

(http://i.imgur.com/mEEry.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/rQDm1.jpg)


Ya, memory and CPU overclock would probably give you much more encoding performance improvements than GPU overclock.

I can monitor GPU temps when needed, just via software though.  And I do keep track of memory temps, but only when I freeze it :D  You can see plenty of images of me freezing memory here, check it out!!
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?263293-Mushkin-amp-Gigabyte-Break-3000Mhz-Memory-Speeds!

I've seen the Antec Skeleton, and it doesn't look open enough for me.  I use open case so I can switch out boards quickly for testing, usually only takes me about 5 minutes to switch out boards and be back up and running.   I help so many users with various boards, so I often have to switch out boards 5-10 times a week, or I'll have 2-3 setup at once on boxes and one in the rack.  So ya, as you mentioned, it's super easy to change things out when needed, it's a MAJOR time saver and I can never go back to actual cases after using one of these open bench tables.

Haha, A PC in a fridge eh!   Probably sounded like my phase change cooler, it's pretty loud!

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Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Budda_357 on March 29, 2012, 10:43:08 am
Hi, Lsdmeasap
Loved the RAM Freeze  :)
One question though, how long does it take to cool your cans of beer?  ;D  Should try some Aussie "Fosters"  beer.

I guess your favorite colour is Red With the "Mad Hatter" thought you would go with a multicoloured theme
Re the phase change assume the compressor (what refrigerant gas do you use) has come from ordinary fridge (probably could get away with a lot smaller unit as length of piping and volume of gas would not need a lot of horse power) What about condensation problems?


Have you ever experimented with just using heat exchange from the header block (thought would be enough to cause circulation of the gas through system for cooling) That would allow the heat to be drawn away from the core instead of forcing cooling to the core just a thought?
 
Then can start to think of mounting inside an evaporator box. A fridge inside a fridge  ;D :D

Liked your testing setups the "Danger Den Torture Rack" should be the number one thing in a system builders kit.

Now that am in forced retirement if I start to get more into systems building (was only doing for a select few) Danger Den Rack will be first on my list.
 Does it come with accessories i.e. all the different types of mounting hardware and leads you ever need or just a frame & you make the extensions lead jigs and so on yourself?


BTW Don't know if you have noticed but have been reading some reported problems with the Z68XP latest F6 bios update with OCZ SSD's (that F5 suppose to address but believe PCI-E SSD cards) with write bottlenecks (even a couple of reports of the multiplier dropping back to 38 as mine did the once with the first set of settings that tested with) but seeing a work around of disabling C3/C6 state remedies the write bottleneck.
I will stick with the F5 bios update for now (touch wood everything is running OK) as not looking to update CPU to Ivy Bridge or PCI-E 3.0 card in the short term will sit on the fence wait and see especially the CPU overclocking heat problems that  have been reported with the Ivy Bridge.
Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Budda_357 on March 29, 2012, 11:03:37 am
Re your phase change setup.
Were you taking the temp on the block or the CPU case?
What was the mobo, CPU setup you were testing and what did you top-out at temp & freq?
Just curious
Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Lsdmeasap on March 31, 2012, 09:05:59 pm
Hi Buddah! :)

Haha, beers can be made cold VERY quickly with some dry ice and water! :)  I do dry in benching too, if you want to see some images of those types of setups I've posted in the past let me know and I'll link you up!

Na, my favorite color is blue actually!  And I hate that red motherboard tray on my case, but I can't find a blue one and they wont sell me one as they quit making them in that color, so I'm going to have to order a clear, smoked, or black one just haven't decided yet.

The phase change unit is custom built by a well known phase change and cascade builder (SDumper) over at XS and OCN forums, I'm not certain of the gas used as it's his custom mix.  It's tuned for decent temps under high watt 300W loads, so yes it could be smaller unit, or colder temps, but those things affect how the unit handles a heavy heat load too, so it's tuned properly and built correctly for it's designed purpose - freezing CPU's! :)

It idles around -45C and under 5Ghz load at 1.5-1.6V it only hits about -38C.  Other units tuned differently may run -50 through -60C, but they they drop to -25 / -30 under heavy loads, so we built this unit with a middle of the road design in mind.

Yes, he does build and put them into cases too, he works for CoolerExpress building all kinds of units.   I just didn't want a cased unit because it was expensive enough already! :)

If you change out parts a lot, memory, gfx, motherboards, ect then you'll love a open bench like the Torture rack!   You may also want to look at DimasTech bench tables, those are very nice as well but more $$

Ya, they come with all accessories like you mention, switches and all that.

I am aware of the SSD ATTO write issues, and have informed Gigabyte and they know already too of course, so fixes are slowly rolling out as they get them done!

As for your last post, that depends on what temp you were looking at too, and if the image was taken under load, idle, ect! :D 

On the phase unit there is a small blue box that reads temps, that lead is connected to the head of the evaportator at the end of the phase change sleeve right where it connects to the CPU.   In some of the images above there is a black temp guage too, that may be connected to the phase unit as well, mid-line, or could have also been directly connected to my dry ice pot for the CPU or memory, depending on which bench result or thread images you are looking at.

Same for the CPU/Memory questions, it all depends on what thread you were looking at, as I've froze it all :D

Normal temps for my phase are -45 or so Idle and -36 / -38 under full load.   Normal temps for my CPU dry ice pot are -74 idle and around -65 / -70 under load, depending on the CPU and the load, I use dry ice and acetone when benching like that.  And for memory, the memory temp sensor is usually right on the memory IC's, and that pot usually get's my memory down to around -40 / -45C, depending on the voltage and load I apply to the memory.

Frequency-wise for CPU the highest I've got before was pretty good with a few CPU's, for dry ice anyway.

X58 Bclk world record, taken down by someone who posted only 0.06 higher Bclk and didn't include a video so it could have been a bugged result, I can't believe they let him take that from me without video for proof as I added (Because those results can easily be bugged CPU-s results)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?273137-GBT-Daily-GIGABYTE-X58A-OC-Mobo-takes-X58-Bclk-World-Record-276.42

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?273091-Gigabyte-X58A-OC-Takes-X58-Bclk-World-Record-276.42-Bclk!!

3Ghz memory speed (same as above I think, sorry just digging through my started threads)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?263293-Mushkin-amp-Gigabyte-Break-3000Mhz-Memory-Speeds!

6Ghz on P55
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?257894-Mushkin-998679-2768Mhz-Dice-Action-W-6Ghz-Inside-Personal-PI-Record

Some 5.5 and 6.2Ghz in my X58-OC review here too
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?273702-Review-Gigabyte-GA-X58A-OC-Feat.-4.8-5GHz-Testing-Vs.-UD7-amp-9182-6GB-s


I think that's about it for my max results, I can link you to other less than dry ice benching threads if you want, and you can also check out all my reviews linked in my signature at the above forum as many of those will have extreme results in them too.
Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Budda_357 on April 01, 2012, 02:27:06 am
Hi, Lsdmeasap
                    Please provide those links. And you missed the dig I said red but used blue text colour (kinder guessed it was blue after a blue compressor, blue cables, blue tubing, blue collars etc. etc.)  ;D

Are we going to see a blue Lsdmeasap "Doctor Den Torture Rack" type signature test jig any time soon lol
  ;)

The phase change image I saw you were using a black digital thermometer (two red type digital meters monitoring V core and VTT) and probably almost impossible to get a good evaporator box contact if have a sensor on the CPU heatsink. Have you ever seen any cracking or heat-sink warping on the CPU case or dye with those extreme zub zero contact temps.

I still have my first Fluke digital meter (and was still working when last I checked) from the eighties when changed from analogue (the uptake to DVM's was slow due to the old dog sindrome spelled with the i because it was a sin not to embrace DVM's made my life a lot easier).  ::)
Back then we actually repaired PCB's measured the components and replaced the faulty transistors and so on (IC's weren't main stream then. DVMs allowed you to measure the transistors junction voltage) you could quickly identify poor to good devices & made it a lot easier to identify silicon or germanium devices ah memories) instead of the junction resistance. In the nineties we even had to replace 100 pin SMD processors (didn't have the luxury of a 500 thousand dollar component De-solder machine only the manufacturing factories had them. We had to cut the old one away and if the component is glued to PCB component pad before solder bath used acetone to dislodge after cutting the pins or any tracks under the IC would be pulled off the IC. Then would line up the new 100 pin IC solder a couple of the corner pins on 4 sides then heat and flow solder over them all and use solder wick to draw the excess solder from between the pins use chloroform to clean flux and looked like never been changed. The pin spacings became so small requiring a microscope final inspections for shorts.

Now it is throw out the old one in with the new.  >:(  Look at mobo prices complete new Intel board low end around the $100 mid $200-250 top $400 plus cheap.
I always wonder how they can get the quality and be manufactured for such a low low price. Makes you think that the movie "The Terminator" (industrial manufacturing robots now 90% produce all the boards & other products today) due to fuzzy-logic may come into fruition in maybe just a few generations? Then human-beings (due to resource consumption) may become an endangered species.
Technology has over the last 10 years has gone into light speed.
From the 1900s technology was good for 30 years before an upgrade then the moon landings Apollo 11 had 3 navigational computers and they were the humble Commodore 64's. Then the turning point in 1995 Bill Gates Microsofts (no one seems to remember Paul Allen) Windows 95 OS look how far we have gone in just over 15 years due to consumer driven technology uptake (there is even more technology we could have had today that is either sitting on the back burners or the wrights purchased and then shelved due to companies needinging to maintain dominance monopolies & OEMs needing to sell the last of the out-dated technology that they have invested large sums of money in)
Back 2001 Akai had a Plasma 40 inch (January 2001 DTV transmission started in this country consumer could not purchase a DTV TV Akai imported only 8 into Australia  available in Feb March) price $29,990.00 (They sold zero in 2001 they predicted that the price would drop to $8,000 in six years LCD wasn't even a mention then) and only 12 months warranty fast forward to today 46 inch 1080p LED edge-lit LCD minimum 3 year warranties for around the $500 CCFL 46 inch 1080p $350 mark even 50 inch plus LCD and Plasma 3D sets $700 to 900 mark.
OEM's had to reduce 3D prices due too the very poor consumer uptake. Consensus reports consumers hate the fact they have to wear glasses OK in movie theartres but not in the lounge room The OEM's do not even keep or have enough parts for warranty repairs they just replace with the new in word "refurbished as new" unit.  >:(

Have you managed the get your hands on a Ivy Bridge yet for O clock comparisons especially on the cooling side. I would be greatly interested as from what have read so far they are not going to overclock as easily as the Sandy Bridge (reports of 100c temps) if so than phase change , liquid nitrogen coolers will start to see cheaper prices.


From my early years in the trade as circuits and components became smaller the better you can dissipate that heat the longevity of a unit and components increases. Back in the eighties SMPS designs ever only needed ordinary 75 degree electrolytic capacitors they had plenty of air flow around them and hardly ever saw any swelling or dielectric leaks.  The advent of SMD technology feel the OEM (money makes the world go round) did not take that heat factor into account and not enough product testing was evident in high failure rates after only a few years especially SMD electrolytic capacitors their dielectric liquid would leak over the PCB and as very corrosive and circuit would still operate until the combination caused total unrepairable damage.
Lookout old boy coming through

Please send us any links if you do any Ivy Bridge testing
Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Lsdmeasap on April 02, 2012, 05:58:31 am
Wowzer, that's a wall man!   Haha, no offesne meant, but wow!  *Edit*  Haha, I see a returned a wall too, we gotta cut back sometime or we'll get lost in our own little world  ;D

Hmm, links eh?   Here's another few,
http://www.overclock.net/t/542778/lsd-grabs-pot-rolls-dice
http://www.overclock.net/t/777178/weekend-dice-session-few-personal-records  << Might be the same as one above, not sure
http://www.overclock.net/t/1058065/ga-x58a-oc-the-bclk-dreamers-secret-weapon-of-choice   << right before I got the Bclk World record
http://www.overclock.net/t/746331/mushkin-998679-breaks-2700mhz-triple-channel  << Way before I got 3Ghz memory

And of course, at either of the above forums Overclock.net or Xtremesystems, you can view the links in my signature for most of my hardware reviews.   I've done some others but signatures only allow so many characters so some of the older ones have to get removed as new ones are added.

Haha, yes I missed that with the red text in blue!!

I'd love to have a ALL UV Blue Torture rack, but sadly they don't make any of those panels anymore, just other bland colors!   I keep bugging them about it though, maybe they'll give in some day and make me a set!   heck, I can't even get them to make me the motherboard tray, let alone the rest of the panels, and they used to offer all the panels in UV blue.   And they do sell all other colors for it still, just not UV blue, yet they still use UV blue for all their other custom cut cases, so it makes ZERO sense to me why they wont do it anymore

The black sensor could have been connected to anything, so not sure what temps was being shown in it in what image, unless it says in the thread.   The sensor itself was placed on the phase as it was built, there is two, one on the head of the evap and one on the line.  The line temp shows in the blue box, and the head temp I connect to the black sensor if I want to use it instead, they are both usually about the same anyway once it gets going, so I usually only use the blue one.

Wish I could afford a nice fluke!!  Haha, that black thing was a cheap grab on ebay, I think maybe $15

Wow, sounds like you've done a lot of computer and hardware work, I envy your solder skills I'm sure and I haven't even seen them in person, but I can tell you know what you are doing for sure by all that you describe!

Speaking of the Terminator!!
http://www.geek.com/articles/geek-cetera/department-of-defense-outlines-skynet-and-terminator-development-20120330/

I think boards are so cheap now because they can fab in huge quantities now where in the past they could not, so cheaper parts and way more production ability has drove prices way down.

Can't comment on Ivy, sorry NDA in place.  But what I read others saying in forums is quite the opposite of what you mention, but I mainly pay attention to 5-7Ghz results and people using Ln2 cooling so 100C would never be possible.  As for air/water, yes I suspect it might be warmer than SB just based on what I see with SB-e 2011 CPU's, but those are really huge CPU's so not sure it's a fair comparison

I'll update you with some Ivy news when NDA is lifted, but until then you'll just have to rely on others who don't respect their NDA's, or don't care/didn't have to sign one, ect.   Are you planning to grab a Z77 board once they are for sale, then Ivy once it comes out, or was you just wondering?

Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Budda_357 on April 02, 2012, 10:01:37 am
That Geek article is so close to pointing to the future of man becoming a useless drain on resources. If they ever manage to put a feelings into machines brains then we may have a chance.

The Z77, H77 boards have been available for a number weeks in Australia . I'm going to see if an upgrade (at lest the CPU will run on my Z68xp board) is going to be worth the expense if no real percentage improvement for encoding if their is a 15% plus then will entertain. Will be looking closely with the Ivy-Bridge results with the Z68XP boards compared to the Z77

But like the first lot of sandy-bridge based boards you had to wait for the second release the Z68 chipset before they got all the ticks.
Z77 still only 4 USB 3.0 2 back panel 2 by the header. Only the higher end model adds a VIA VL800 chip which now gives 6 on the back panel and 2 by the header.

Gigabyte do not even have any CPU or memory support listings for these boards yet. Would have thought Intel would have supplied a locked Ivy Bridge for testing on their boards. This release seems to be a bit of the barn door before the horse considering the Ivy-Bridge release has been pushed back to June here. Hopefully we don't get another Ivy Bridge recall joke like last time because of one tiny weeny IC's silicon transistor.
The Z77 & H77 mobos cannot be selling too well considering the star of the show is still some months away from release (and may be pushed back again which is worrying)

The real benefit seems is aimed more towards gamers with true direct x11 support. 

Will go and checkout some of your threads over the next few days.

As I am a bit of a joker was thinking of posting on one of the video forums I belong to for April fools joke "Cloud spells end of mulit-core CPUs announces Intel" reckon that would have got a few hits.  In the thread would have posted it like a CCN article half way through "Hang on just in GOT YAH" Just to see how many hits could get on the day and how long it would take before it was pulled some people do not have a sense of humor any more.
Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Lsdmeasap on April 03, 2012, 07:54:34 am
I'm scared they are even trying, and you know they have ALL seen the Terminator movies!   To even use that name for a company, based on and planning such things for future projects is just plain stupid, even if it was just a movie that's asking for it!

Really!  Nice, they are just starting to slowly show up at stores here.   The CPU's will run on P67/Z68, and those CPU's will run on Z77/H77 as well, as long as you have a BIOS update which most everyone has done long ago anyway.  I'll do Z68 vs Z77 in my review for ya, maybe even some X58 too if I have the time to add it in as well.  Did you read any of my reviews yet?  If so, what did you think?  I really like how my X58A-OC review turned out, and the Mushkin Ridgeback one too (C300 one too), some of the others I was pressed for time or doing more than one review at once so they didn't turn out as nice as I would have liked them to be.

I know what ya mean about the Z68 fixing P67 issues, but I don't think we'll be seeing anything like that this time around with Z77!

They can't list memory or CPU info, due to Intel NDA.   All that stuff (Specifications) there now will be updated once NDA is lifted, and CPU/Memory lists will be posted as well.  Intel has given them CPU's and boards LONG ago, unlocked too, it's just they can't post certain things until Intel gives the go ahead due to Intel's NDA.  What memory stuff are you wanting to know, maybe I can link you to some info on what you are wondering?  Everyone already knows all the CPU's that will be coming out so you should be good to go on that.

Boards will come out first, then few weeks to a month later CPU's will be available, at least that is how Intel wants it right now.  Of course many stores in various places around the world may have and be selling both  right now when they shouldn't be.  Boards will be out of NDA at the end of this week/start of next, and then the end of the month is official CPU paper launch and then it shouldn't be but a week or so after that when shops start selling CPU's (Or right then).  Neither will be months from now, for sure!!

Haha, ya, your video would have probably got many hits if you did that!   Maybe get something ready early and do it next year!

I liked the Google 8-Bit maps and NES game video, did you see that video or use Google maps while 8-bit was available?  If not, you can still see the video here, but Google 8-bit maps (Quest) is taken down already :(  It was cool when it was there, I checked it out and it worked just like the normal map, and how you see it in the video :D
http://forums.tweaktown.com/console-handheld-gaming/48089-google-8-bit-maps-nintendo-entertainment-system.html

Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Budda_357 on April 03, 2012, 09:52:54 pm
Have checked out those links thanks (so many pages on your signature don't think would live that long to check them all LOL  ;D) What is the best threads to checkout your reviews?

Great April Fools gag from Google (some payout on Apple last year had 10 law suites against Google with most loosing). Wonder how much it cost Lego in phone, lawyers and airfares to Denmark & wonder how far down the road they were started on another one of those copyright law suites against Google recon even Steve Jobs made a phone call from beyond & Bill Gates would have to put their two cents in.
Would have loved to have been a fly on the wall in the Kirk Kristiansen family (Lego Group owners) when the phones started ringing   ::)  ;D
Imagine all the Game shops flooded with pre-orders & inquiries of when will it be available.

Please send me those links when you do  the Z77 H77 Ivy Bridge reviews.
Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Budda_357 on April 03, 2012, 10:11:12 pm
Forgot
          I see you use modeling clay to protect the electronics from moisture have you ever thought of using non conductive spray coatings instead.
Here is a link to what I mean http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/TECHSPRAY-2104-12S-/20-2242 there are plenty of good products that would fit your needs. These products have to pass non flammable fire-retarded specifications 
Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Dark Mantis on April 04, 2012, 07:47:05 pm
I think you will find that what Lsdmeasap actually uses is artists eraser. That is the normal medium and some people like to use a more permanent solution of "Dragon's Skin".
Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Budda_357 on April 05, 2012, 05:38:13 am
Hi, Dark Mantis
                      Thank you for your reply. Have heard about Dragon Skin silicon phone covers but not heard used for MB's.
Googled and looks like is an epoxy resin type product from the YouTube video similar the type used for military type devices and in the aviation industries for components that suffer failures from heavy vibration and temperature conditions.
Dragon Skin if I have found the right product that you refer to is from a company called Smooth-On & is a silicon rubber type product and is available different grades.

If I have the right product "Dragon Skin® is suitable for making high performance molds used for rapid prototyping, wax casting (foundries and candle makers), architectural restoration and for casting concrete" & and is probably what my prosthetic legs stump liners are made of.

Not too expensive approx between $30 to $40 for 2lbs of the stuff assuming box dimensions of a 5mm height ATX Total Volume: 2.27 cubic inches / 37.21 cubic centimeters  looking approx weight of product needed (Part A + Part B): 0.09 Lbs. / 0.04 Kg Micro ATX Total Volume: 0.9 cubic Inches / 14.71 cubic centimeters approximate weight of product needed (Part A + Part B): 0.04 Lbs. / 0.02 Kg.  :)  depending on height required good option if you are modding as an income.

In my field we used epoxy resins (maybe a cheaper permanent alternative option for single applications) for the similar type of use.


If I have the wrong product can you point us in the right direction or supply a link to the one you have mentioned  ;D
Cheers from
                  Budda [sic]


Title: Re: GA-Z68XP-UD4 Sleep Issue
Post by: Dark Mantis on April 05, 2012, 08:26:18 am
Hi,

Yes that seems to be the same material. It is more rubbery than epoxy and is easilly removable too. Just lift off one corner and then it should peel off with little trouble which is not the same as epoxy of course. It is excellent stuff from what I have heard about it but I must admit to not having used it myself.

The trouble with using epoxy is that it is very permanent and also has no give in it and is prone to cracking especially if it is subjected to thermal expansion/contraction.