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Questions about GIGABYTE products => Motherboards with AMD processors => Topic started by: jannie on July 17, 2010, 10:29:04 am
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Hi all I am a newbie here and this is my first build. I am looking at GIGABYTE GA-MA770-UD3 AMD 770 + SB710 ATX Motherboard , and would appreciate some advice to what processer and powerpack I should use.Sorry I am a novice
I am into bluray and need lots of power
Or maybe someone can advice another board
Hope thats all the info you need
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Hi Jannie and welcome to the forum.
Before we get too deep on things such as CPU's and power supplies, it would really help if you could let us know what kind of budget you have to spend and also if you have an old PC that you are upgrading or if you are really starting out with nothing.
Do you want to just watch Blue-ray DVD's or are you after editing video?
Will you want the PC for gaming?
What Operating System are you thinking of getting?
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Hi jannie and welcome to our forum. I see absic is already helping you so I will let him get on with it, as you are in very capable hands ;D By the way don't apologise for being a novice we were all novices at some time but have learnt along the way.
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Thanks so much for a warm welcome.
Yes I am backing up my bluray collection with dvd fab....but had probs with the computer switching off and the forum at dvd fab told me to clean the processer as it was a heat problem. so I brushed all the fuff away and I think I made the mistake of releasing the clip on the processer and the computer wont beep or start up now.....well maybe its the time now to build a quad core
old borad is Ga-M55S-S3
No I wont be gaming
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Well if you are just looking for an excuse to build a new computer then I can tell you it's beyond repair(but that's not the truth) ;)
It would help if you could give us a run down on the problems from the start and a complete list of your components please?
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Well if you are just looking for an excuse to build a new computer then I can tell you it's beyond repair(but that's not the truth) ;)
It would help if you could give us a run down on the problems from the start and a complete list of your components please?
Dark Mantis is correct, If you really want to build a new PC that's OK but if you give us a few more details we might be able to save you a lot of money! ;)
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Gosh thanks for all the help guys.. well I definately want a gigabyte board with AMD Processer, and it has to be quad or six core, and enough power to handle my bluray backups......Its ok if it cost a bit as I want a reliable fast machine. I am operating XP pro but will probable be upgrading or downgrading ( lol ) to win 7. I have a geforce 8400gs and three sata hard drives and two ide drives ...A dvd writer plus a Pioneer BDR-205BK bluray writer.
Thanks guys
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Well jannie, let's take the Win7 issue first. I was a diehard XP fan and never liked Vista but after trying Windows 7 it feels very similar and smooth to use. I would advise the 64 bit version as that is what I use and have had no problems with using 32 bit programs at all. It also gives you access to far more RAM which I would assume would be of benefit to you.
As far as your machine goes I will let absic discuss that with you because he uses AMD and is more au fait with it than me. Although I would advise going for the 6 core now for the price difference it makes sense.
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I have just talked with absic and he is compiling a list for you at the moment.
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I have just talked with absic and he is compiling a list for you at the moment.
Not quite there yet DM
OK Jannie, before we get down to putting together a full shopping list for you, I do have a couple of things that just need to be clarified.
You already have 3 SATA Hard drives but will you be using one of these for your OS or are you thinking of getting a new drive for that?
Your DVD writer & Bluray writer are these both IDE devices?
Do you want to keep your current Graphics card or are you looking for a newer one?
Are you based in the UK? (Just so I can get links for hardware for you if you are)
Do you have any other parts that you are thinking of trying to use in your new PC? (If yes what are they?)
On the subject of OS I too would go for Windows 7 64 bit but, it is worth double checking that any software you have will be able to run OK. If everything is OK then a 64 Bit OS will allow you to have more RAM which will help speed up some of the processes for you.
Sorry that I keep asking questions but I don't want to offer you bad advice.
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gosh no messing about with you guys...Appreciate the help.
Yes I will use the sata hard drives in the new build....The bluray is sata....If you can suggest a better Grahics card then so be it
No probs asking ,,,yes I am in uk
Dave
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I would go for the ATI 5xxx series card for graphics. They have plenty of power the added benefit of eyefinity(multiple monitors) and are good value. Obviously depends on your budget as to which one to choose.
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OK, as I don't know how unlimited your budget is ( :o ) I am going to say:
Mobo: GA-880GA-UD3H ( http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3425&dl=1#ov ) Not the top end but should be a good all rounder. http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Gigabyte-GA-880GA-UD3H-AMD-880G-S-AM3-PCI-E-20-(x16)-DDR3-1866(OC)-SATA-6Gb-s-SATA-RAID-ATX
CPU: Phenom ii x4 955 or 965. Yes, I know these are quad not hex core but, they are actually better value for money and in most bench tests have very similar scores to the hex cores but are around £100 cheaper. http://www.scan.co.uk/Shop/Computer-Hardware/All/CPUs-AMD/AMD-Phenom-II-(S-AM3)-Quad-Core
Memory: Corsair TW3X4G1333C9A ( http://www.scan.co.uk/products/4GB-(2x2GB)-Corsair-XMS3-Classic-DDR3-PC3-10666-(1333)-Non-ECC-Unbuffered-CAS-9-9-9-24-150V ) It's not on the QVL but I have used it on several AMD builds without issue.
Graphics Card: Gigabyte HD 5770 http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3283&dl=1#ov
( http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/1GB-Gigabyte-HD-5770-PCI-E-20-(x16)-4800MHz-GDDR5-GPU-850MHz-800-Cores-DL-DVI-HDMI-DP )
PSU: Corsair Professional CMPSU-650HXUK (I use a 620 Watt Corsair PSU and it is really good) http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/650W-Corsair-Professional-CMPSU-650HXUK-Modular-PSU-with-80PLUS-Bronze-Certification
I think this will provide you with a good, solid system that will do more than you want it to. All costing links are for Scan UK, the only reason for this is that I always use them and I can't be arsed to trawl the net for the best deals.
Hope this gives you an idea and if you want any further help you know where we are.
ATB
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That looks a good setup to me absic, and I would agree that Scan are a good reliable company. I also use ebuyer, they are another reliable well priced component supplier.
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woww thats brilliant...I will order components next week, i will mabe need help to connect but ...Yes I know your there to help
Well I can only say thanx a million and thanks for the time you spent searching
I have to say what a friendly website, So glad I joined
Dave
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I will mabe need help to connect but ...Yes I know your there to help
Well I can only say thanx a million and thanks for the time you spent searching
I have to say what a friendly website, So glad I joined
Dave
No worries. When you're ready to put your new PC together you might want to check out the How to guide here: http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,1497.0.html and if you have any questions, or problems just ask.
ATB
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I will mabe need help to connect but ...Yes I know your there to help
Well I can only say thanx a million and thanks for the time you spent searching
I have to say what a friendly website, So glad I joined
Dave
No worries. When you're ready to put your new PC together you might want to check out the How to guide here: http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,1497.0.html and if you have any questions, or problems just ask.
ATB
Another happy customer! ;)
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Hi All, As I have ordered the new parts for my first build, I think I should go the full road and get a new case, I want a full tower and was looking at the Coolermaster HAF 932 Black, High Air Flow ...Any thoughts out there
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That is what I am using and for the price it is brilliant. I liquid cool my machine so I need extra things that you don't need for air cooling but even so it is ideal for both. It has a lot of nice features and is big. I like big but do make sure you have enough room on your desk for it. I have some pictures of it on my website accessible from under my avatar. There are some other good cases out there as well depending on whether you prefer steel or aluminium.
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Well I use the NZXT Tempest Evo ( http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/45651 ). It has plenty of room and as I am Air Cooling it also comes with lots of fans which is good. If you want to go down the water cooling route in the future this case also has that in mind so any upgrades shouldn't be to difficult.
Another thing to consider would be a decent CPU cooler rather than the stock AMD issue as they can be rather noisy.
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That's it I always think that cases especially are very much a personal choice, what appeals to one person another will find ugly. There are plenty of good quality cases on the market though. It's just a case(pun intended) of going through them. Gigabyte make a nice case with plenty of options. Personally I preferred the style of their older case but they are well thought out. The Corsair Obsidian is another excellent case, again very large but with all the options and very well designed.
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Memory: Corsair TW3X4G1333C9A ( http://www.scan.co.uk/products/4GB-(2x2GB)-Corsair-XMS3-Classic-DDR3-PC3-10666-(1333)-Non-ECC-Unbuffered-CAS-9-9-9-24-150V ) It's not on the QVL but I have used it on several AMD builds without issue.
Well, if you read my thread on the GA-770TA-UD3 I'd becareful with using memory that isn't QA'd. Especially as it may seem to work in the beginning !!
http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,2273.0.html
Becareful.
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IceColdBeer, your right in general and that is what I always stick to but I think that if absic has used this particular combination on several builds and found it to be stable then we can take his word for it. After all that is all the manufactures do "suck it and see" except they don't call it that!
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IceColdBeer, your right in general and that is what I always stick to but I think that if absic has used this particular combination on several builds and found it to be stable then we can take his word for it. After all that is all the manufactures do "suck it and see" except they don't call it that!
Well, if there are any memory diffculties later then there is no comeback for the buyer.
I had a GA-770TA-UD3 working with my Corsair memory for about 2 weeks, then when the weather got warmer my memory problems occurred. If the PC was in an air conditioned room, it may have been a different story. This stuff is high speed and can be operating near timing thresholds. I also think the voltage of the memory can be an issue.
I think it this case it would be better to be safe than sorry, but if the buyer wants to take that risk then its up to them.
But why take the risk, the QA'd memory does the same thing for the same price.
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As I said you would get no argument from me. Personally I would always go with the recommended modules just to be safe.
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Hi,
The memory that I have recommended here is in fact 1333Mhz running at 1.5V and this is pretty standard.
The big problem comes when using memory at 1600Mhz which is why, if you check most of the current advertising, it isn't even stated in the sales pitch. Another thing to bear in mind is that I haven't suggested that this memory be used on the GA-770TA-UD3 but on the GA-880GA-UD3H.
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I think my point was this, that there is a small possibility the memory you recommended won't work on the GA-880GA-UD3H in another environment.
Considering the problems I've had with the GA-770TA-UD3 and the time it is wasted, I thought I write something here.
I couldn't see the point in taking the risk in not using QA'd memory unless there was something to gain (i.e. money saving, speed etc).
The memory you recommend should be OK, but if it isn't the buyer will be back on these threads cursing "absic115" ;)
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I think my point was this, that there is a small possibility the memory you recommended won't work on the GA-880GA-UD3H in another environment.
I couldn't see the point in taking the risk in not using QA'd memory unless there was something to gain (i.e. money saving, speed etc).
True, but if we all took the safety first, view then we would never move forward. I have used this memory on many occasions and not encountered any problems. Although it doesn't appear on the Gigabyte QVL, Corsair say it is compatible with the Phenom ii CPU's which I think is more important especially as the memory controller is built into the CPU and not the motherboard.
Considering the problems I've had with the GA-770TA-UD3 and the time it is wasted, I thought I write something here.
It is appreciated and your experience and views help create the basis for a well structured and hopefully, informed debate.
The memory you recommend should be OK, but if it isn't the buyer will be back on these threads cursing "absic115"
This is true, but I think I would sooner be cursed for suggesting the use of what I believe to be good solid components, from my previous build experience, rather than follow Gigabyte's or any other companies shopping list.
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Whilst I usually do use the recommended memory, I also say thet there is nothing like experience and in your case I would be more than happy to take it onboard. 8)
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True, but if we all took the safety first, view then we would never move forward.
That is the point, the QA'd memory is as good as the memory you're recommending.... Not using the QA'd memory isn't moving forward.
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Not using the QA'd memory isn't moving forward.
So we should just stick to what Gigabyte tells us to use? That's really forward thinking!
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I think yes, stick to QA'd memory as there is a come back for the buyer if things go wrong. Otherwise, it's onto tech support and it'll be something like, "the memory should work but it's not QA'd".
Unless there is a really good reason not to use QA'd stuff, why not use it?
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Okay I read absic's post to Jannie on choice of processor. Here is what I am planning to do.
Option A
Switch from 3.2 Ghz BE quad core to 1090T 3.2 Ghz hexacore, price difference = Indian Rupees 4350 ~ 60 Pounds
Option B
Switch to 2.8 GHz 1055 T,Hexacore,price difference = INR 1750 ~ 25 Pounds
Option C
Switch to 3.4 Ghz ,965 quad core,price difference = INR 1200 ~ 17 Pounds
Option D
Go for quad core 3.5 Ghz 970,price difference = INR 2050 ~ 29 pounds
Here comes the rider.
I plan to upgrade the RAM to 16 GB 1333 mhz,Gskill
The question
Best combination for a reliable OC to 4.0 Ghz. Now, will the system restrict overclocking because of 16 GB RAM ( More RAM more voltage )
Should I retain 8 GB and upgrade just the processor :-\
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I'm sorry, what was the board you wanna get??
people have had a hard time overclocking the 10xxT series to 4.0 GHz ( but able to do so at the last moment) with a motherboard like the one absic is recommending you which I too think is a good motherboard...
but now, 8 GB against the 16 GB won't do any difference on the cpu overcloking to 4 GHz, cuz either way you gonna use the 4 slots of ram WHICH is really hard for the CPU to KEEP STABLE, UNLESS you really keep those Memory sticks at 1333 MHz, which is not good (for my point of view of course) much more than 1333 MHz ram is gonna keep you from reaching 4 GHz CPU speed...
now with a 10xxT cpu you can reach the 4 GHz with RAM even at 1600 MHz with 4 stick (8 GB mostly), really gonna have a hard time reaching 4 GHz with the board absic recommended you
so, the better thing to do here is (in my own opinion);
get a quad core black edition and be able to reach 4 GHz
get ram 1333 MHz with the best timings you can get, 8 or 16 GB if you want
or in the other hand
get the hexacore 1090T and be able to reach 4 GHz
get RAM 1600 MHz with the best timings, 8 or 16 GB if you want but gonna need more $ for this
in resume, to get 4 GHz cpu speed, gonna depend on the motherboard you get, cuz is mainly about stable power (Vcore) you can get to the CPU
either setup is great and way much more power than you need to do things you gonna do...
so if you wanna an advice..... get the quadcore with the board absic says but hhmmm unable to get 4 Ghz
what did I said?
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I already have a Gigabyte GA890GPA-UD3H. Your answer does not help me decide clearly :(
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ah ok
so, you can upgrade to an BE of your choice in order to reach 4 GHz overclock, and you can upgrade the ram too, like I said, 8 gb or 16 gb are no different when it comes to overclock since is more like "the number of ram sticks you have", so either way you will be using 4 sticks
how many of ram sticks you have right now? is 2 x 4 GB? 2 sticks?
because 4 sticks is gonna be harder for the cpu to manage 4 sticks at 1600 Mhz, unless you upgrade to an 10xxT cpu that can manage more easily 4 sticks of ram at 1600 Mhz
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I moved to 970 BE 3.5 Ghz
Stable at 4.218 Ghz.
Bumped NB VID 0.025 to get 4.4 !.
Temp Idle 32~33
Load 42~44
Used Tuniq TX4 thermal paste ;D
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Loks like a pretty nice overclock to me. Was it not stable at 4.4GHz ?
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Not much stable.Switched back 4.2. Reduced RAM timings to 9-9-9-24.Reduced CPU voltage to normal. Running everest stability test as I write this post.
CPU load temp 42 deg C.
Can get close to 4.3 with HTT tweak.Decided to leave at 4.2 :D
Notice the RAM at 1600 ;D
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To be fair 4.2 GHz is no mean achievment and is a good amount of extra speed for free after all. As far as the memory goes I ma not sure that I would be happy running it at that speed as it can be putting your processor at risk.
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Have been running at 1600 with 3.2 Chip at 3600 OC.No problem since 1 year
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Maybe you have just been lucky so far but AMD don't recommend running at anything over 1333 MHz as the memory controller built into the CPU can give up and then your chip is useless.
Have you read the article that absic produced on this issue?
http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,2515.0.html
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I have read the article. Decided to risk :P
By the way 3.5 to 4.2 is not as significant compared pushing a 1090T 3.2 to 4.2, a full 1 Ghz jump.
The only positive factor is I am at stock CPU and RAM voltage at 4.2 Ghz
The other factor is thermal paste TX4 which is keeping temp lower
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Well at least you understand the risk involved with running your memory at that speed. It is just a lot of people don't and then wonder why their computer fails for no apparent reason.
No the gain from the OC might not be massive but it is free and in my book that is the best type ;)
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I notice that you have 1600 ram running at 9-9-9-24. As Dark Mantis has said running your ram at this speed isn't recommended. Why not clock the ram back to 1333 and tighten the timings. It seems that lots of clockers go for this option and the concensus is that if your ram is good enough and you can get your timings down to something like 5-5-5-15/20 the system is actually faster. (And it is running within the IMC parameters). Sometimes 1600 isn't as fast as 1333 ;)
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that CPU must be an C3
a lot of people have it overclocked over 4 Ghz with ram even at 1800 MHz for almost 2 years now
now we know and they know that is not recommended to have the ram at more than 1333 MHz, but is the whole point of overclocking "risk"
and for this "risk" a lot of people had their cpu dead...
and now we have see that an 10xxT cpu can keep the ram at 1600 MHz more easily as it has an improved IMC but this is another chapter
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Ah!!! but there is risk and calculated risk. I have just replaced an Intel E6600 o/ced to 3.4G. That cpu has run at that speed for best part of 4 years with no problem at all. However there was no risk. as such, associated with that cpu and it was generally agreed that C2D's were excellent for o/c'ing. However I am on a fixed budget, like a lot of people, and need to make my cpu last. There is/has been a lot of replaced AMD cpus because of the IMC restrictions. I suppose it's like a lot of things in o/c'ing, if you get the right chip you can, if not you can't. Very similar to core unlocking.
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I would have to agree with Niffler regarding the calculated risks involved with running anything at an over the specified rate. There are risks and then there are over the top risks. In my book if you are told that something is likely to fry your CPU then it is not making any sense to do it. Thaking a calculated risk as all overclockers do is different and he has already suggested by tightening the memory timings with a good specced RAM you can probably get a better speed out of it anyway.
There is/has been a lot of replaced AMD cpus because of the IMC restrictions
I think that there has been far more than most people realise if the truth be told.
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Arguments accepted. However one thing puzzles me. Why does Gigabyte say "1066/1333 and 1600 OC" in their specifications ?. Are they NOT aware
of MC restrictions of AMD ?
In fact I would never bought a 1600 had they not mentioned 1600 OC.
Therefore there must "something" that AMD must be holding back
Anyway here is latest bench mark,this time at 1333 Mhz RAM :D, CPU bumped to 1.472 V
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1543484
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the first rule or tip to follow of the overclocker is that if you overclock you could burn the cpu or whatever you're overclocking, not to mention about product warranty
and actually like for my MOBO that says 1866+ O.C. or those 2000+ of the ver. 2.1; you can't use or overclock to that speed cuz the AMD CPU, and this is the first impression you get when you buy the MOBO and you say "oh I'm gonna get a 2000 MHz RAM kit", so sometime about this just doesn't fit quite well
and to mention about this, that myself got a dead 1055T AMD cpu, which I dare entirely to claim guarantee cuz I knew I was not overclocking at all, actually it was my first week testing the system to see how it goes which for my surprise it was gone already
and I have to mention that after just 2 days that AMD keep my dead CPU, I got a shipped new one, so in anyway or the other this says a lot about AMD
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When it comes to running RAM at over 1333MHz and the advertised O/C figures what you need to remember that this is for no more than 2 sticks of RAM, 1 per memory controller. When you try to fill all of the RAM Slots on the motherboard, that is when you start facing uncertainty to how any particular CPU will respond.
Babdi has decided to go for 1600MHz and has managed this OK but others have had their CPU's fail at these settings. AMD know there is a problem and they say not to run above 1333MHz because they can not guarantee system stability above this speed.
I have to say that Niffler's advice of bringing the RAM speed down to 1333MHz and tightening the timings is something I have been trying to get across whenever I am asked this question. In real world terms you will actually see little to no difference in speeds by down-clocking your RAM and in some cases you can actually see an improvement. It also has the added of advantage of then being within the specified parameters of the CPU memory controllers.
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like absic said
that is the always recommended thing to do, always
it is ALWAYS recommended to get to know what your cpu is capable to do, you're not in any situation gonna buy a cpu and bring it up to 4.0 GHz just because other people have done it
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I believe C3 stepping has addressed this problem.