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Questions about GIGABYTE products => Motherboards with AMD processors => Topic started by: zinchead on July 25, 2010, 05:15:19 pm
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This is my second GA 890fxa ud7 board. I was not sure about the motherboard, so I rma'd it and the G skill memory.
I have rebuilt the new configuration as below:
GA 890fxa ud7 rev 2
AMD Phenom II x6 1090T
4 gig g skill F3 12800 cl7 memory ( in the 2 white slots)
Noctua NH-D14 cooler ( i was a bit worried about the plastic spacers supplied)
2 x 3870x2 cards in crossfire
intel 160 gig ssd
coolmaster haf X case and coolmaster bronze 1000watt power supply.
All went smoothly with default bios. I never play around with bios settings until I am up and running.
Windows 7 x64 bit installed in record time. I ran the computer for a full day.
I installed latest ATi crossfire drivers, and computer has not booted since. I can't even get to the bios screen.
I changed my power supply, but still no success.
The fact that it won't boot at all suggest hardware. I tried one video card. It made no difference.
Has anyone else had similar problems?
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Are you getting any POST beeps when you BOOT? If yes, what are they?
Have you tried to re-set CMOS? See here if not sure how to do this: http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,2286.0.html
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From your run down of the problem it seems that the Xfire drivers weren't compatible or corrupt. I agree with absic reset your CMOS and try with just one card. Failing that try removing everything from the motherboard and see if you get any response.
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I tried cmos reset.
Makes no difference.
The cmos does not get a chance to deliver the bleeps.
the error code displayed on the board is no 88.
the embarassing thing for me is that I rma'd my last MB and memory for exactly the same reason.
New board and new memory, and the same problem.
Weird problem.
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Ok, I removed all cards, and even disconnected ssd.
No bleeps and still error code 88.
Later I will do a rebuilt and put on the standard amd cooler.
i'll keep you all posted.
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Try just the PSU withoput anything except a fan as load. If you don't know how to do it you just disconect the motherboard connector and short out the GREEN and any BLACK wire on the PSU cable connector. If it is ok it will start and the fan will run.
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Just tried it.
Fan runs OK.
I'll do a system re built and check all again.
cheers
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Make sure that the motherboard isn't shorting to ground somewhere(extra post etc). Try just adding one component at a time and checking as you go. Let us know how you get on. Good luck.
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one small piece of difference is that the amd cooler has a 4 pin connector.
The noctua nh-14 only has 3 pin connectors.
What is the extra pin for?
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Think the extra pin is for automatic fan control
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well, there goes another interesting evening.
Rebuilt the whole machine and still no boot up.
My question is how a new built can work perfectly for a whole day, and over night not even boot up again.
This is the same issue I had with the previous M Board, installs Ok. Next day no boot. No hardware changes in either machine overnight.
It must be a vampire bite.
I'll leave it for a day to get my head round it.
Thanks for listening.
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I think your problem lies in the memory. G.Skill says "Unfortunately not all AMD CPU/motherboards will be capable of DDR3-1600 CL7. This is why the memory is for Intel platforms, but as you know, as long as it is set to CL8, it will work just fine as well".
Unfortunately not all AMD systems are capable DDR3-1600 CL7, which may be the problem you are having. Some have found stability manually setting timings to 8-8-8-24, 1.4v Apparently, this is a wide spread thing with AMD boards.
Jakeman97
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First thing to try is swapping the memory to the two blue slots. Failing that build the whole thing up outside the case. IO know that you have only just rebuilt it but that is the best way to troubleshoot. Lay something like a towel (Anti static)down on a table and put your components together on there.
The only difference in the coolers as oggmonster explained is that the extra wire is to enable control of the fan's speed and measure it. You may need to turn the alarm off in the BIOS if you only use a three wire connection. I take it you do have a buzzer installed? Are you getting any POST beeps to let you know what the problem is?
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The only difference in the coolers as oggmonster explained is that the extra wire is to enable control of the fan's speed and measure it. You may need to turn the alarm off in the BIOS if you only use a three wire connection. I take it you do have a buzzer installed? Are you getting any POST beeps to let you know what the problem is?
Just to add to this, I am running the Noctua NH-NH-D14 Air cooler and as DM states you want to turn off the CPU Fan Fail warning and also the CPU Smart Fan Control. I originally had issues getting the cooler fans to spin up but am now powering them directly via the PSU. This is a much safer way to run them and as they are so quiet running at full speed it is not a problem.
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I originally had issues getting the cooler fans to spin up but am now powering them directly via the PSU. This is a much safer way to run them and as they are so quiet running at full speed it is not a problem.
What he said, sometimes the fan headers on motherboards have a tendency to blow. Majority of the time they just take out the fan header/fan, but there have been cases of it causing the motherboard to fail.
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Agreed! However these new style Gigabyte boards are less prone to that as they have a heavier duty(X2) copper layer in the motherboard to power them.
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This is true but, the Noctua Fans do not like the ramped voltage supplied by the motherboard headers and will not run if you have any of the power saving or Cool n Quiet technology enabled.
Connecting them directly to the PSU avoids any problems. Yes, this does mean that they run at full speed all the time (unless you use the step-down cables they supply) but even at full speed they are for all intents and purposes silent.
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Hello people.
When I first got the mother board, windows 7 installed with no problems. The next day I turned the computer, it wouldn't boot. I played around with it for 7 days, eventually, asking for a new mother board and memory.
New mother board and memory in place, I installed windows 7. Ran it a full day, but my final install was the latest crossfire drivers for the 2x 3870x2 cards I have. I have not been able to boot up since. No bios screen display or bleeps from the small speaker. The led display on the board shows code"88".
Bear in mind this is the same problem I had with the first board. Initially, I thought the problems where with my Intel ssd hard drive. So I used an ide drive to install windows. That proved the thoery wrong about the SSD drive.
Where do I go from here?
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strip everything off the motherboard and see if it will try and boot. If it does add one component at a time and see how it goes.
Sorry I forgot that I have already suggested this earlier today, have you tried it? You never answered.
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First thing to try is swapping the memory to the two blue slots. Failing that build the whole thing up outside the case. I know that you have only just rebuilt it but that is the best way to troubleshoot. Lay something like a towel (Anti static)down on a table and put your components together on there.
The only difference in the coolers as oggmonster explained is that the extra wire is to enable control of the fan's speed and measure it. You may need to turn the alarm off in the BIOS if you only use a three wire connection. I take it you do have a buzzer installed? Are you getting any POST beeps to let you know what the problem is?
Have you done this?
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Hi,
Are you sure that the error code is 88 and NOT 8B.
I believe that 8B is a possible memory error.
UPDATE: having just checked through your mobo manual, RAM above 1333 Mhz should be put into slots 3&4 (think these are the blue slots on your board)
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Actually absic the white slots are 3 and 4 but I have just been checking through the manual. If you are using Dual Channel mode then you need to put one module in DDR3_1 and one in DDR3_2 or use DDR3_3 and DDR3_4 if it is high speed memory.
Check page here: http://download.gigabyte.eu/FileList/Manual/mb_manual_ga-890fxa_ud7_v2.0_e.pdf
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strip everything off the motherboard and see if it will try and boot. If it does add one component at a time and see how it goes.
Sorry I forgot that I have already suggested this earlier today, have you tried it? You never answered.
I have finally made an "out of the box" built.
Still no difference. I moved memory about and I got a lend of a another video card.
I will rma it back to suppliers. they are going to think something odd, but I feel it must be a bad batch of mother boards.
Either that or it does not like my other components.
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The only other thing it could possibly be is the PSU. I know it "works" but maybe not properly. The 12v rail may be low. I would try and change it out if you can. At least it will eliminate it from the equation.
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The only other thing it could possibly be is the PSU. I know it "works" but maybe not properly. The 12v rail may be low. I would try and change it out if you can. At least it will eliminate it from the equation.
I have already changed the power supply. It was powered with a 1000watt. I tried it with my old 850 watt antec.
No difference.
weird
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Right well at least that is another thing ruled out. Of course it could be the CPU. We have had several recently on the forum that were bad.
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You know. Thats the only piece if kit I was not even thinking of.
The only way I can check it is to try another am3 board. Thats not easy.
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You know. Thats the only piece if kit I was not even thinking of.
The only way I can check it is to try another am3 board. Thats not easy.
Or another chip?
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will my old x4 940 cpu work in the new boards?
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As far as I am aware it should because AMD sockets are backwards compatible but I am not 100% sure so I should check first. Absic is the man to ask but he is not here now. Maybe someone else will know. I notice Venganza is on the forum and he is pretty genned up on that sort of thing. Maybe PM him.
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I have found a list of all the CPUs the motherboard will support.
http://www.gigabyte.com/support-downloads/cpu-support-popup.aspx?pid=3416
Hope this helps
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thanks for this.
There is an Phenom II X3 740 listed, but min e is an x4.
I will check timorrow full spec, which I may have got wrong.
I need to get this machine up and running again, to get full specs.
cheers
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As far as I am aware it should because AMD sockets are backwards compatible but I am not 100% sure so I should check first. Absic is the man to ask but he is not here now. Maybe someone else will know. I notice Venganza is on the forum and he is pretty genned up on that sort of thing. Maybe PM him.
Be careful here. AM3 CPU's will fit into AM2 & AM2+ Motherboards but it doesn't work the other way around. There is one less pin on the AM3 CPU and if you try to install an AM2 or AM2+ CPU onto an AM3 Motherboard it just won't go.
Before RMA'ing anything have you checked the silly things such as Keyboard, mouse, USB drives/hubs that you may have installed. I have actually gone through the process of practically re-building a machine that died only to eventually discover after many hours and much money, that the mouse (one of the cheapest components) was faulty.
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checked my older processor.
Its a Phenom 9600 x4 2300mhz.
Not list on http://download.gigabyte.eu/FileList/Manual/mb_manual_ga-890fxa_ud7_v2.0_e.pdf: kindly linked by Dark Mantis.
I have decided to ask rma the processor only and ask the suppliers to check it themselves.
I'll keep everyone posted.
Has anyone aware of faulty x6 processors out there. Just so I can oput up a defence.
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GA-890FXA-UD7(v.2.x) -BIOS F3 (http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList/BIOS/mb_bios_ga-890fxa-ud7_v2.0_f3.exe)
1. Update CPU AGESA 3.7.1.0
2. Fix audio noise issue while running ET6 in Win7
Note: Please set “Keep DMI data” to “Disabled” while using Q-flash for BIOS update
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checked my older processor.
Its a Phenom 9600 x4 2300mhz.
Not list on http://download.gigabyte.eu/FileList/Manual/mb_manual_ga-890fxa_ud7_v2.0_e.pdf: kindly linked by Dark Mantis.
I have decided to ask rma the processor only and ask the suppliers to check it themselves.
I'll keep everyone posted.
Has anyone aware of faulty x6 processors out there. Just so I can oput up a defence.
Not that I am aware of but that doesn't mean there are not any! All batches of chips have their bad ones.
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Just to back-up what DM says. I have done a bit of searching on the net and there doesn't seem to be a problem with the X6, but there is always the chance that the CPU is dodgy.
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Ive personally never come across a faulty processor, only time i have is when people have put silly volts through them (2v or so) or the old processors where if the fan failed they would 'leap' out of their sockets.
Though like everything they do have a failure % i just think probability wise - if there is a fault - it will lie with the motherboard.
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I would tend to agree thats there is more chance of a bad batch of mother boards as opposed to cpu s.
cheers for the helpful posts
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Well I rang to get views of my pc component supplier.
they suggest that the G skill memory is not compatible with my motherboard. I said it was on the list of recommended memory from Gigabyte.
he suggests the lower voltage of 1.5 volt over the g skill 1.6 volt is the problem. Could this be the problem.
They are suggesting that I replace memory with Crucial 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333MHz/PC3-10600 Memory Kit CL9 1.5V CT2KIT25664BA1339
Slower, I know : would I see any difference.
Anyway I checked the" tinternet ". This thread at "www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=4479524" seems to be reporting issues where the first bios is not working. This certainly seems to be my problem. Bios corrupt type of problem.
However, they are using tricks to "force to boot off backup bios" which I am not familiar.
Can anyone advise on this subject?
I just found another thread where a guy has same problems as me, but no solutions: "http://www.overclock.net/amd-motherboards/781946-help-gigabyte-890fxa-ud7-dual-bios.html"
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Well, it could be the problem and the only way of knowing for certain would be to swap it out. The AM3 CPU's do seem to run much better with 1333 Mhz RAM and, if you check through the specs they are designed for this speed of RAM or slower because of issues with the memory controller.
You can get 1600 Mhz RAM running but it is unclear if this is entering the realms of Overclocking and there has been no clear answer to this from Gigabyte, AMD or the Memory & other Mobo manufacturers. You will also find that if you want to run above 1333 Mhz you will usually have to do so in Unganged (single channel) Mode.
Will you notice a difference between 133 Mhz RAM and 1600 Mhz RAM.To be honest no, unless you want to run benchmarks all day and not do any serious computing. In fact you will actually gain more of a performance boost by running RAM at 1333Mhz and overclocking the CPU and if your 1090T is anything like mine, you will be able to get it to 4 Ghz without any real problems.
I am running 8 Gigs of Corsair Dominator CMD4GX3M2B1600C8 on my GA-790XTA-UD4. This RAM is designed to run at 1.65V and in unganged mode I can run at the rated speed without any problems. If I want to run it at 1333 Mhz it will run quite happily at 1.5V not sure if this info clouds things for you but, it might just help you formulate a plan.
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I totally agree with absic's comments and the difference between the two memory speeds is negligable in a real world scenario. Stability is king ;)
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Just to keep yeah all abreast.
I was sent new crucial DDR3 1333MHz/PC3-10600 Memory Kit CL9 1.5V. I installed it, but still no change.
Supplier is taking all my kit back; motherboard, processor and memory, to test it themselves.
I await a return soon.
cheers