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Questions about GIGABYTE products => Motherboards with Intel processors => Topic started by: Ineedhelp4realyo on August 03, 2010, 09:18:35 pm
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I am looking for the highest performance CPU air cooler that I can use with the following build:
LIAN LI PC-P80
Intel Core i7-980X
GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD9
24GB G.SKILL Trident+ Turbulence II DDR3 2000 (8-9-8-24)
LG Black 10X Blu-ray Burner
2 Seagate Barracuda XT
SPARKLE COMPUTER CORP 1250W ATX12V
2 x SPARKLE SXX4651024D5-NM GeForce GTX 465 (Fermi)
I was going to use a Noctua NH-D14 but I found it that it is too big to work with my RAM. Can I use Megahalems, Venomous X, or Cogage Arrow with my system? Are there other air coolers that I should consider? How far is the distance from the "CPU HIS" to the first memory slot on the UD9 Mobo?
Thanks for any help!
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Another highly regarded cooler is the Xigmatek "Thor's Hammer". Once again itis very large but I dont think that it would interfere with the memory.You can find the details of it here including sizing: http://www.candccentral.co.uk/Xigmatek-Thor-s-Hammer-Black-Nickel-CPU-Cooler.html You would need to specify your own fan solution.
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I'm sure Titan Fenrir will not have much space left for your memory module.
Since all your parts are so powerful, probably you may consider "liquid cooling", which in my opinion, may save you lot of space especially at the CPU area. Dark Mantis has great experience in "liquid cooling" and I'm sure he can give great advices.
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Hey onemilimeter now you are talking my language ;D
I don't know how you feel about liquid cooling but it would be a good option for you. It is a bit more expensive but can keep the noise and tempertures down especially if you plan to overclock.
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In my opinion, if he has extra budget, he should go for "liquid cooling" and push the system to its maximum... post some benchmarks here :)
His system will be among the best in the world...
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I would have to say it would be interesting, only if I were him I would boot from a SATA6 SSD then it really would be fast. My SSD made a huge difference compared to magnetic disks. Maybe when he comes back he will consider it. ;)
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Water cooling is an idea that I might entertain. What are the risks associated with "liquid cooling"? How bad is maintenance? Would I need to change the fluid every few months? If so how hard is that?
I was thinking about putting one of these in unless there is a better option at $400?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227578
How much would a liquid cooling set up cost? What would I need to buy for a entry, mid, or high water cooling system?
How do you suppose this water cooled computer would compare to a 12 core Mac pro when doing workstation applications (CS5)?
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I received some good information on air cooling on "tweaktown" forums:
http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte/40882-ud9-oversized-cpu-coolers-tall-ram-heatspreaders-possible.html
Sorry about starting so many threads on the subject.
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You guys think I should have gone with one of these mountain mod cases?
http://www.mountainmods.com/CYO_picker.php
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I read the beginners guide to water cooling it as very informative. What would be the best way for me to set up water cooling with my case? Id like to keep as much of the current air cooling active as possible.
I'm mostly building this for certain workstation applications so cooling the video cards is not my main concern. It seems like the CPU, motherboard, and ram would be the things that I would get the most benefit from water cooling. Everything else can be cooled by Air?
What do you guys think?
Thanks for the help (I need it).
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The worst watercooling is still far superior to the best air cooling..... ;D
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Water cooling is an idea that I might entertain. What are the risks associated with "liquid cooling"? How bad is maintenance? Would I need to change the fluid every few months? If so how hard is that?
I was thinking about putting one of these in unless there is a better option at $400?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227578
How much would a liquid cooling set up cost? What would I need to buy for a entry, mid, or high water cooling system?
How do you suppose this water cooled computer would compare to a 12 core Mac pro when doing workstation applications (CS5)?
I am glad to seeyou returned to the forum and let's see if we can give you a guiding hand.
The risks assosciated with liquid cooling are not much more than with air cooling if it is set up properly with good equiptment. It should be leak tested before powering up the system and if sound then it should be fine. See the pictures of some of our rigs in the thread : http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,2373.0.html
Generally the fluid used isn't water, even though "pure" water isn't electrically conductive contrary to normal beliefs, most people use a non conductive fluid such as Feser1 or Primochill Ice. This is recommended to be changed every year or so. Not difficult if the system is set up properly.
I must admit to not knowing anything of real value about the drive you mentioned apart from the fact that they exist. How they compare to a normal SSD I can't say. They do appear to be more expensive though. My one reservation would be that they would be sharing bandwidth with the graphics cards, but I know that isn't a problem in your case.
I don't think I would bother watercooling your memory but maybe just your CPU and if you are using magnetic disks for storage and they are going to get a hammering then you could cool them as well. Your motherboard can be watercooled but it depends on how much strain you will put it under. Prices are from£60(no good to you) to several hundreds for a top end cooling system which we can discuss later if you are interested.
Hope this helps somewhat. ;)
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Unless it leaks ;)
The worst watercooling is still far superior to the best air cooling..... ;D
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Unless it leaks ;)
The worst watercooling is still far superior to the best air cooling..... ;D
Generally the fluid used isn't water, even though "pure" water isn't electrically conductive contrary to normal beliefs, most people use a non conductive fluid such as Feser1 or Primochill Ice.
That's why I wrote this part.
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Alright, screw it lets do it! After reading the beginners guide it doesn't looks as hard or as risky as I thought.
It seems like water cooling is lot more mainstream and well tested now. I heard the CPUs cant burn up anymore because they will slow down before temps get to hot (if a motor breaks). Still I wonder if anyone offers a warranty for a system like this.
Can you estimate the cost for a good or very good water cooling system for the P80?
Also how much do you think it would cost to go with more extreme enthusiast system like a horizontal "Ascension" from mountain mods with large number of fans and single loupe through the motherboard (already has waterblock on it) and the CPU? Would that be complete overkill, or will the upgrade be worth the investment? It looks like one of there cases could be set up with 49 120mm fans!
http://www.mountainmods.com/CYO_picker.php
I'm shipping the 2TB harddrives back and getting the PCIe SSD. I'll wait for a few more hybrid drives to come out before investing in another HD. I should have an extra Caviar around here somewhere.
Water cooling is an idea that I might entertain. What are the risks associated with "liquid cooling"? How bad is maintenance? Would I need to change the fluid every few months? If so how hard is that?
I was thinking about putting one of these in unless there is a better option at $400?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227578
How much would a liquid cooling set up cost? What would I need to buy for a entry, mid, or high water cooling system?
How do you suppose this water cooled computer would compare to a 12 core Mac pro when doing workstation applications (CS5)?
I am glad to seeyou returned to the forum and let's see if we can give you a guiding hand.
The risks assosciated with liquid cooling are not much more than with air cooling if it is set up properly with good equiptment. It should be leak tested before powering up the system and if sound then it should be fine. See the pictures of some of our rigs in the thread : http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,2373.0.html
Generally the fluid used isn't water, even though "pure" water isn't electrically conductive contrary to normal beliefs, most people use a non conductive fluid such as Feser1 or Primochill Ice. This is recommended to be changed every year or so. Not difficult if the system is set up properly.
I must admit to not knowing anything of real value about the drive you mentioned apart from the fact that they exist. How they compare to a normal SSD I can't say. They do appear to be more expensive though. My one reservation would be that they would be sharing bandwidth with the graphics cards, but I know that isn't a problem in your case.
I don't think I would bother watercooling your memory but maybe just your CPU and if you are using magnetic disks for storage and they are going to get a hammering then you could cool them as well. Your motherboard can be watercooled but it depends on how much strain you will put it under. Prices are from£60(no good to you) to several hundreds for a top end cooling system which we can discuss later if you are interested.
Hope this helps somewhat. ;)
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Just a joke, but I will tell you a story:
A few years back I purchased a quad core mac that was apparently water cooled but I don't think they did it right as the sealed cooler dried up. It was very frustrating I went to them many times regarding issues that I was experiencing and paid for service to have them tell us to reinstall the OS. It turns out the issues with the system was well documented and known by apple. They screwed with me until the warrenty expired and the CPUs were fried. I didn't even know the system was water cooled until it was too late. If they were more helpful or offered me a credit for the defective unit then I would probably be configuring a mac pro right now. The most upsetting part of the experience was all the time I spent trying to fix the system, working on a slower computer then what I paid for, and loosing lots of work due the computer turning off all the time when I tied to do even partially complicated.
I do realize that apples system was flawed and that sealed water cooling systems don't get high reviews in general.
Unless it leaks ;)
The worst watercooling is still far superior to the best air cooling..... ;D
Generally the fluid used isn't water, even though "pure" water isn't electrically conductive contrary to normal beliefs, most people use a non conductive fluid such as Feser1 or Primochill Ice.
That's why I wrote this part.
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Well I like your style(have a word with absic will you) ;D
A Mountain Mods case alone will set you back a few hundred pounds but they are great and huge, so make sure that you have the room for it. To be honest it probably is overkill but who cares! You can put in a top range system(not including case) for roughly £450 especially as you aren't worried about liquid cooling your graphics etc it might even be lower.
Just to whet your appetite try having a look at these : http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=760053 The ones nearer the end are the newer ones. Might give you some ideas. It's a shame that you're in the USofA otherwise I would have been quite happy to have helped you put it all together.
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Well I like your style(have a word with absic will you)
I like your style too and you don't need to have a word with me, I can see what's going on here.
DM really wants me to get my feet wet but is only offering me tatty old parts that he's discarded in his garage!. :'(
A couple of weeks ago he was trying to persuade me into investing in a DICE system. Be careful or he'll be shoving you down that path too! :o
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Well I like your style(have a word with absic will you)
I like your style too and you don't need to have a word with me, I can see what's going on here.
DM really wants me to get my feet wet but is only offering me tatty old parts that he's discarded in his garage!. :'(
A couple of weeks ago he was trying to persuade me into investing in a DICE system. Be careful or he'll be shoving you down that path too! :o
Come on in absic the water's not cold ;D
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I would but.......
I've had my bath for this year!
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Well I can send my current case back (not opened) or sell it locally so the mountain case would only be another 110 GBP or so before you include the fans, filters, and extras. I bet the cost of the fans adds up quick but imagine 49 fans sucking air in from the side and out the top! Of course there are options with less fans and if I'm not running quad SLI I might not see a benefit extra cooling power, no?
It terms of aesthetics I'd like to go with a less flashy, more refined, and simpler look. I like the idea of brushed aluminum or anodized black case with regular fans and no leds. that would look a little more professional and it if a client sees it he would be less likely to view it as a "toy". I might have space under my corner desk for the Cube computer.
If I used the P80 would it be better to use an external radiator? How would the system performance improve if I used the mountain mods case. What would be the point of diminishing returns? With a fairly sweet water cooling system how much do you suppose the mod mountain system would cost versus the P-80?
Would it help to get a cheap SSD drive to put the OS on? I was thinking about just using the Revodrive for applications and as a "scratch disk". I'm a big multitasked and I will be using about 3 monitors with one of them being a 30". I work with extreme large image files. I will be doing things like stitching hundreds of images together digitally while watching a blu ray and browsing the internet. I will be doing a lot of heavy photoshop tasks like, opening, modifying, saving files as large as 10GB. I will be running some heavy content sensitive filters and other enhancements such as fractal based resolution where I will be sometimes converting a file from lets say 750MB to 8GB. In addition I will be running automated tasks to groups of image files.
By the way do you think a Duel CPU server configuration would be better for my applications? Obviously the 980x would be the best for gaming but how about CS5?
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After a little research I think I got the right CPU for the job. The higher MHZ of the 980x vs magny cours should be the deciding factor as many tasks would not utilize the extra cores.
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Here's a little piece I think you will enjoy. It is from one of our respected members doing a build with a Mountain Mods case:
http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,1305.0.html
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What do you think of these radiators?
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=21622
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=25231
Would I see an improvement using a big Radiator like that with mod mountain case versus whatever you had envisioned for the p80?
What other parts should I get? What is the highest performance water block for my 980X?
I'd like to make a plan and get moving on the systems construction.
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I think you need to consider the fundamentals of water cooling before worrying about what components to buy. We all like to look around and see what is available but it is impractical if you don't understand the concept. Basically what you are trying to achieve is the movement of the heat from one place/medium to another. Now it doesn't matter if you have a radiator the size of a house if the ambient temperture is 30 degrees you will not cool the components to less than that. So a balanced sytem is more important than the size of the components involved. You need to try for an optimised setup.
The best performing CPU block at the moment is the Swiftech XT.
Another thing is to not try and move forwards to fast. Otherwise you just make wrong decisions which cost you money. Planning is the keyword.
I will chat to you later regarding the construction details.
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I'm sure you are right. I'm just feeling a little anxious about getting the system built. The other components are going to be here soon and I'd like to the system running as fast as possible. I already have some jobs that I want to run on the system. Plus it would be better to get the system up in a short period of time so that I can stress test it while to parts are under warranty (30 days for newegg?).
I do understand the importance of planning and obviously it would be bad if I rushed the project and it lead to a mistake.
I don't know much about this stuff. In your opinion should I get the mountain mods case? I'd like to get a nice system but I'm sure there is a point where the cooling capacity would higher then the potential generation of heat. I don't see a need to cool past the point of diminishing returns. I do suppose that having extra cooling capacity would mean that I could run the fans slower.
When you have time I would really like all the help I can get. I'm ready on my end to order the needed parts so lets get planning.
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Ok so lets at least make a start. Firstly is to decide on the case. Just because you have a large case like the Mountain Mods doesn't mean that you have to absolutely fill it straight away. You can fit as much as is needed for now and add to it later if that is the way you want to do it. I would suggest if you are going for a case like that then use multiple cooling loops. At least two anyhow. One for the CPU and motherboard. One for the hard drives and graphics cards if you decide to cool them(it is a good idea as they are probably the hottest, noisyiest components in the case). This obviously incurs more cost than a single loop but will work better and will be easier to set up. It all really depends on the case you decide on. Let me know your feelings on this and we can proceed further.
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I am considering the Extended U2UFO in a horizontal configuration.
I'm having second thoughts about the motherboard and CPU combination.
Do you think I would have better results with PS CS5 if I ran a EVGA SR-2 using twin e5620-x5660? It might not be too late for me to change my configuration.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/xeon-x5680-5600-series-westmere-ep,2692-7.html
48 Gigs of memory would give me room for a Ram disc (4000MBPS transfer rate)
If I went duel CPU it would probably be best to duel loop them?
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I love the sound of it but I am afraid you are getting beyond the realms of my experience here. I can't afford to play around with kit like that and I wouldn't want to give you duff info. I am more than happy to help with the water cooling side of things if you need help there but I think you should get advice from somewhere else on your hardware setup. The case is very nice though.
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I'm pretty sure going to send the CPU and mother board back for now and see if what the price will be for this Ram (http://www.gskill.com/news.php?index=340) in a addition to the other duel CPU parts. I can always go back to the 980x in a week or two if I change my mind. I'm thinking there might be some sweet combo deals on the ram comes out.
I understand what you are saying about this type of system not being something you have experience with (other then with the cooling side). I was wondering if you can answer some more basic CPU questions...
Do you have any thoughts on how a 2.8 GHZ six core CPU might compare to a 3.3 GHZ six core CPU if they are both overclocked? Do low MHZ CPU's overclock better then high MHZ CPU's? Also my brother mentioned that overclocking a CPU will reduce its lifespan is that true?
You pretty much have me sold on the other case and going with water cooling. I'd like to order the case and start working out the details with the fans and cooling now so that I will be ready when I decide on the MOBO and CPU. There are two configurations that I am looking it one has triple quad fans on the top and sides and the other has a window on the left side and triple quads on the top and side. Which one should would you recommend?
$369.99 Extended U2-UFO
$25.00 Front Opti-1203
$25.00 Horizon Brace
$40.00 10PCI w/HB
$10.00 HPTX
$10.00 Left Big Window
$10.00 Right Triple Quad
$10.00 Top Triple Quad
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$369.99 Extended U2-UFO
$25.00 Front Opti-1203
$25.00 Horizon Brace
$40.00 10PCI w/HB
$10.00 HPTX
$10.00 Left Triple Quad
$10.00 Right Triple Quad
$10.00 Top Triple Quad
or should I go for something else?
Someone mentioned Phase change cooling to me but it seems risky due to condensation issues. Plus it sounds louder to me. What is your opinion?
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Do you have any thoughts on how a 2.8 GHZ six core CPU might compare to a 3.3 GHZ six core CPU if they are both overclocked? Do low MHZ CPU's overclock better then high MHZ CPU's? Also my brother mentioned that overclocking a CPU will reduce its lifespan is that true?
Overclocking is always a bit hit and miss and no two chips will clock the same so it is very difficult to say how a chip will react. In genreal though the higher mhz chips are cherry picked as being the best of the bunch and so you would expect to get a better overclock than on a lower speed chip. Any overclocking will inevitably decrerase the lifespan of the chip. This is mainly due to the extra heat generated by the increased voltages needed to get a stable overclock.
You pretty much have me sold on the other case and going with water cooling. I'd like to order the case and start working out the details with the fans and cooling now so that I will be ready when I decide on the MOBO and CPU. There are two configurations that I am looking it one has triple quad fans on the top and sides and the other has a window on the left side and triple quads on the top and side. Which one should would you recommend?
First you must decide on whether you want to be able to show off the insides of your build. Personally I like to make it all neat and tidy and have ultra violet lighing etc but of course this is not to everyone's taste. Obviously if you want to see the insides you need to accomodate some windows. The thing to consider about fans is they are noisy, even though you can try and reduce it by the type of fans you use the more fans the more noise. Realistically I would say you would need about 8 for two quad radiators and maybe a couple more for airflow through the case. This is based on what we have discussed already. If you go for a much more heat intensive system then we would have to revise the spec. The actual layout of the case depends more or less on your preferences within reason. Let me have any other questions that I haven't covered.
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Which case and fan configuration do you recommend? I'm thinking about running two processor on two loops.
A horizontal configuration sounds nice as there is less stress for the mother board... The U2UFO extended seems to only have triple-quad or zero fan options for the top and side. I do like the idea of air being pushed directly into the 12 DIMM slots and around the Revodrive.
As I understand it I should put filters on all of the fan slots. Which fans and filters do you recommend.
What water block should I look at to cool the nVidia 465's and the SR-2 motherboard? Maybe it would be better to look for video cards that are already set up for water cooling?
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The case configuration depends on your personal choice, where it is going to be situated (you don't want four fans blowing on your leg all day) and what components it must accommodate. Also if you are planning to have a window(or two) it is no good them being against the wall. So think about the siting of the case. Personally I like the sound of the top one better but as I said that is personal.
I use a fine wire mesh fan filter that just screws onto the outside of the fan housing when you install it. It all depends on what you can get locally. The fans I would tend to recommend are the Scythe Gentle Typhoons 1450rpm. They shift plenty of air while being quiet.
For water blocks get the EK full board water blocks. They are more efficient easier to install and less likely to have problems with. I don't think you will find any graphics cards already fitted with blocks.
I have used this company for a lot of my liquid cooling parts. They are not in the US yet but I am sure they would ship if you needed them to.
https://www.aquatuning.co.uk/index.php/XTCsid/j1828s6ev57adva8v1nn0t2vvacjbstj
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Earlier you mentioned phase change technology
Someone mentioned Phase change cooling to me but it seems risky due to condensation issues. Plus it sounds louder to me. What is your opinion?
but I am afraid I forgot to answer it. Do not even consider it. Apart from needing to be a real enthusiast to install and keep running it has all the sorts of inherent problems that come with below ambient cooling systems. Insulation and condensation being the first two off the top of my head. It is a brilliant system if you really want to push the limits of a overclocked computer as it tends to run at approximately minus 60 degrees. No good though for day to day computing where you want a nice stable system for 24/7.
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...Thats what I thought (regarding phase change).
What about SDD's in raid? How well will the motherboard work in raid? I have looked at various raid cards but they seem to be limited at 700-500 MBPS. If I use the motherboards raid options could I break that limit? How much would a motherboard based raid take away from other types of system performance. I heard that dedicated raid cards were better due to no requiring extra resources. I am aiming for ~1000MBPS in raid 0.
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Me too ;D
No seriously I bought my board X58A-UD7 expecting great things from my SATA3 and RAID0 configuration but I 'm afraid it was a big let down. They sell it as 4x the speed of ordinary SATA2 but in no way did it live up to expectations. In fact the Intel ICH10 controller which is only SATA2 outperformed the Marvell 9128 SATA3 controller. I am hoping that a firmware update will fix this anomaly but we will have to wait and see. They have certainly dragged their heels over it so far which makes me even more concerned in case it's a hardware problem. Anyway I take it that you are asking regarding the UD9 board. If that is right then you will be up against the same problem at the moment as it uses the same chip. The SSDs in a RAID0 formation should work well if my single SSD is anything to go by. Mine is only SATA2 but the newer ones are by all accounts very fast. I don't have any numbers I'm afraid but I am sure that a bit of googling can get you them. The Crucial SATA3 C300 have just dropped in price quite dramatically by roughly 35%. I don't think that in normal circumstances a dedicated RAID card would make a substantial difference but bearing in mind what I have been explaining about the Marvell let down it might be a good investment.
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What is your opinion on CPU lapping? Not worth the risks?
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In my opinion it is going a little over the top. CPUs are pretty flat on the surface anyway and with a bit of thermal compound it would make very little difference. It is competition stuff when you are trying to squeeze the last little mhz out of the system.
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Yeah the 980x arrived today and it looks flat through to box. I still haven't decided if I should send it back and wait for the 990x or go for the duel processors so I didn't open the box.
As I understand it some CPU's preform better or have a flatter top. How would a cpu test mine to find out if it is a good sample or should be RMAed?
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As I understand it some CPU's preform better or have a flatter top. How would a cpu test mine to find out if it is a good sample or should be RMAed?
Sorry I didn't understand the question. Do you have a reason for thinking there might be something wrong with the processor?
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No, I just thought there might be something to look for to make sure I got a keeper. I don't know how much about the manufacturing process and the level of variances there are cpu to cpu... I guess I should just keep an eye out to make sure the core temperatures are close to each other?
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Yes that is a good indication of quality but most of the high end chips are good quality anyway. They are hand picked for the best out of the wafers.
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Wasn't sure if I should start a new thread so I'm posting this here:
I'm trying to figure this out.... So there are three hard drive controllers on the UD9. Can any of them break the speed of a Revodrive with 4 combined SSDs in raid 0? I was looking at raid cards and it looks like they are limited to 70,000 IOPS and 400-600 MBPS. I am hoping to break 75,000 IOPS and 750-1000MBPS.
Also I don't know much about SSD's. I saw the term TRIM on a few threads, after consulting Wikipedia I learned that it has to do with maintenance and sustaining performance.... Seems important an important feature to have.
So basically I want to know:
* What drive controller would give me the fastest performance when doing raid 0 and about how fast would that be?
* What is the fastest raid option (card or onboard) for the GA-X58A-UD9 and how fast would that be? (Sustained/Random Read/Write + IOPS)
Also if there is another forum that you think would better be able to answer this question then point me to it.
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Here is a layout of the room (to help with case plans).
The large red input devices will be powered by three separate "legacy" computers. I'm thinking I'll put one computer under the L-desk, toward the bottom of the layout while the other two (mac G4's) should fit on the other desk to the left of my special 30" color reference monitor (a Lacie 730, ~130% NTSC gamut).
So the best space I see for the big mod mountain case would be in the corner section of the L-desk or underneath portion that is at the bottom of the layout page. (http://forums.tweaktown.com/attachments/gigabyte/2772d1281401817-ud9-oversized-cpu-coolers-tall-ram-heatspreaders-possible-scanning-room-small.jpg)
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Basically I'm trying to figure out what the optimal set up would be in terms of performance. If I had a horizontal setup and had a window on top then how would I be sure that my ram has optimal cooling? I don't think water cooling the Ram is an option as it will void the warranty if I remove the stock heatsink. I could send the ram back and look at something like the Hyperx H20. The reason why I was looking at the top triple was too keep the ram and miscellaneous parts cool. If I went that route there would be the option of using low ~600 RPM fans, no? Besides not having a big window to show off the system what would be the disadvantages of a second triple quad on the top?
Can I overclock the Ram to get a higher speeds or lower latencies?
I'm thinking I'm going to stick with the 980x for this build but I might upgrade to a duel Xeon in Q3 of 2011 when they have 8-core set ups with a 50 GBPS QPI. At that point of time I might add a second loop for the second processor.
What is the best fan controller out there? I like the idea of something that would lower the RPMs of the fans when under low loads, and I want plenty of safety alarms.
I would need a pump too. Besides that what else? Flow meters and temp probs?
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I'm trying to figure this out.... So there are three hard drive controllers on the UD9. Can any of them break the speed of a Revodrive with 4 combined SSDs in raid 0? I
was looking at raid cards and it looks like they are limited to 70,000 IOPS and 400-600 MBPS. I am hoping to break 75,000 IOPS and 750-1000MBPS.
I think that you will not actually be able to reach that figure in a real world scenario.
Also I don't know much about SSD's. I saw the term TRIM on a few threads, after consulting Wikipedia I learned that it has to do with maintenance and sustaining
performance.... Seems important an important feature to have.
TRIM is definitely a positive feature and most newer SSDs will have it. However as we have found out it is not just a case of enabling TRIM it has to be actually implimented and that is harder to check.
* What drive controller would give me the fastest performance when doing raid 0 and about how fast would that be?
* What is the fastest raid option (card or onboard) for the GA-X58A-UD9 and how fast would that be? (Sustained/Random Read/Write + IOPS)
Also if there is another forum that you think would better be able to answer this question then point me to it.
As you are in the US this might be a good place for information http://hardforum.com/index.php
The reason why I was looking at the top triple was too keep the ram and miscellaneous parts cool. If I went that route there would be the option of using low ~600 RPM fans, no? Besides not having a big window to show off the system what would be the disadvantages of a second triple quad on the top?
That's a fair comment especially if you are planning to use very large amounts of memory. There is no real downside and the more fans the lower the speed you can use them at, which in general is a good thing although slow doesn't always mean quiet.
Can I overclock the Ram to get a higher speeds or lower latencies?
Yes quite possibly but that is something that you will have to try and nobody can say for sure exactly how the memory or system will behave.
What is the best fan controller out there? I like the idea of something that would lower the RPMs of the fans when under low loads, and I want plenty of safety alarms.
There are many fan controllers available and it is often a subjective view as to which is "best". You will need several if you want to be able to control all the fans you are planning on fitting because most controllers connect a maximum of about six fans.
I would need a pump too. Besides that what else? Flow meters and temp probs?
There is only one pump in my experience that really cuts the mustard and that is the Laing MCP655 vario. It is powerfull, quiet and reliable. As far as flow meters go you could go for an actual metereds flow readout or just a telltale to show that the loop is indeed running properly. Depends how flash you want to be 8) The same with temperture probes mostly depends on the sort of display you want. There are numerous senders and displays to choose from and some will even be integrated into the fan controllers. Mostly personal taste.
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One more thing that has just sprung to mind regarding SSDs or in fact any solid state storage device, you MUST make sure that you have an available backup because unlike a magnetic disk drive if there is a problem any data is gone for ever. It cannot be taken off a SSD like it could be recovered off a normal drive bit by bit if necessary.
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Maybe I should look into Raid 5 SSD options? I can also just get a back up utility and some magnetic harddrives.
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I think that if you are using it for business use it is especially important and maybe an external large hard drive might be the best way to go. That way you don't have all you data on site in case of a disaster.
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What are your thoughts on the S-flex and Kama flow 2 fans?
I read the s flex creates a ticking sound on the lower RPM versions but it seems to have good performance at 1200 RPM or more.
The Kama flow 2 at 900 RPMS is slightly louder and more powerful then the 800RPM gentle typhoon. Should I go with those for the top 12 fans? What about the front and back fans? Should I look for something a little more powerful? Which fan filters are best? What about vibration reduction devices (for the fans)?
Here is some information that I have on the fans:
Kama FLow 2:
Fan Speed: 900 RPM
Noise Level: 11 dBA
Airflow: 30.54 CFM
Fan Speed: 1400 RPM
Noise Level: 27.6 dBA
Airflow: 47.5 CFM
Fan Speed: 1900 RPM
Noise Level: 33.8 dBA
Airflow: 63.23 CFM
Gentle typhoon:
Fan Speed: 800 RPM
Noise Level: 9 dBA
Airflow: 28.3 CFM
Fan Speed: 1,150 RPM
Noise Level: 16 dBA
Airflow: 37.1 CFM
Speed: 1450 RPM
Airflow: 45.9 CFM
Noise: 21 dBA
Speed: 1850 RPM
Airflow: 57.68062 CFM
Noise: 28 dBA
S-flex:
Fan Speed: 800 RPM
Noise Level: 8.7 dBA
Airflow: 33.5 CFM
Fan Speed: 1200 RPM
Noise Level: 20.1 dBA
Airflow: 49 CFM
Fan Speed: 1600 RPM
Noise Level: 28 dBA
Airflow: 63.7 CFM
Fan Speed: 1900 RPM
Noise Level: 35 dBA
Airflow: 75 CFM
I should probably use one loop with a quad Rad if I'm not water cooling my video cards (initially at least), correct? I should use a higher speed fan for the Radiator, right? Should I put radiator on the top or bottom of the side panel? Is it ok to set the radiator up to exhaust from the case? Is it better to put the radiator on the far side from the motherboard? Should I use two fans per radiator slot (push + pull)? Is there a special mounting bracket that I should use? It looks like the motherboards water-cooling block has 3/8" fittings... Should I run it on a separate loop as the CPU which would be on the 1/2" standard?
With the fan controller issue... I could use splitters to put multiple fans of the same time on one control right? It seems like I would be fine using a simple dial controller for most of the fans, but there might be advantages to using a thermostat based system for the water cooling fans. Should I get a pump controller? What do think of this unit?
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8425/bus-178/Koolance_CTR-CD10SL_525_Pump_and_Fan_Speed_Controller_-_Silver.html?tl=g47c17s286
How about this one?
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8812/koo-174/Koolance_TMS-200_Software_Thermal_Interface_Controller.html?tl=g30c229s882
What do think of this for a flow meter?
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/6876/ex-flo-05/Thermaltake_Flow_TX_Plus_Flow_Meter_w_Temperature_Indicator_CL-W0138.html?tl=g30c101s457
What fittings and tubes do you recommend? I like silver or black hose.
Should I get a fillport or drain? If so, which one?
How about the reservoir? How do you set up a level sensor?
Is quantum from TIM consulates any good or should I look for a more proven TIM? I did see that there 0098 produce did well on benchmarks and they claim quantum is 44% better.
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There is a way to control the radiator fans using the motherboard or software right? Should I use the PWN fan controller for anything? The instructions say I can use a splitter with it.
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Hi This thread is getting a bit like "War and Peace" ;D
I should probably use one loop with a quad Rad if I'm not water cooling my video cards (initially at least), correct? I should use a higher speed fan for the Radiator, right?
Yes to the first part and it doesn't really matter on the speed of the fans as long as there is enough cool air passing through the radiator.
Should I put radiator on the top or bottom of the side panel?
Entirely up to you. I always like to err on the side of caution when designing a cooling loop and consider if there was to be a leak where would gravity take the water. ;)
Should I use two fans per radiator slot (push + pull)? Is there a special mounting bracket that I should use?
It is only slightly more effective to use a push/pull confguration but can add considerably to the noise. The radiator/fans will bolt directly to the case.
It looks like the motherboards water-cooling block has 3/8" fittings... Should I run it on a separate loop as the CPU which would be on the 1/2" standard?
No I would just use reducers to fit the pipe. I know it will have a slightly restricting flow effect but it will not be as much as you would think. ;) If this bothers you at all there is a different block that is compatible and allows the use of 1/2" fittings. See here:
http://www.aquatuning.co.uk/product_info.php/info/p5965_MIPS-GIGABYTE-EX58-Extreme-Fusionblock-Nickel.html
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What are your thoughts on the S-flex and Kama flow 2 fans?
The Kama Scythe Gentle Typhoons are better because it is not just the noise of thje fan it is also the type of noise generated. These fans are much easier on the ear than most.
With the fan controller issue... I could use splitters to put multiple fans of the same time on one control right?
No problem as long as the load on each controller doesn't exceed the makes recommendations.
It seems like I would be fine using a simple dial controller for most of the fans, but there might be advantages to using a thermostat based system for the water cooling fans.
Yes your choice. Just can be a little more complex to install.
Should I get a pump controller?
Personally I am not in favour of pump controllers. More to go wrong and I like to think my coolant is flowing all the time no problem!
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What do think of this for a flow meter?
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/6876/ex-flo-05/Thermaltake_Flow_TX_Plus_Flow_Meter_w_Temperature_Indicator_CL-W0138.html?tl=g30c101s457
Fine. The same as I have used in one of my machines.
What fittings and tubes do you recommend? I like silver or black hose.
Entirely up to you. The best quality hose you can get is Tygon as used in laboritories. It will outlast any other tubing and stay looking nice. 3603.
Should I get a fillport or drain? If so, which one?
Yes, defintitely. Again up to you what make/model.
{quote]How about the reservoir? How do you set up a level sensor?[/quote]
That's what god gave us eyes for ;D Once it is filled and the air purged it won't need refilling until you come to change the fluid(annually).
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There is a way to control the radiator fans using the motherboard or software right? Should I use the PWN fan controller for anything? The instructions say I can use a splitter with it.
I would recommend getting a small fan about 80mm and use the pwm controller to power that. You can mount it to cool the power phases around the CPU that would normally be cooled by the CPU fan as a secondary function. It will help to increase their lifespan as they do get quite hot. If you want to see what I mean you can check mout my pictures of my setup here: http://www.darkmantis.co.uk
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How would I mount the 80mm fan? I could find a 120MM PMW fan that I could put in the case over that part of the motherboard.
I think your right about the pump controller. Obviously if the controller fails it could be very bad. How about the fan controllers? Do you know of one that will reliably control the radiator fans based on the actual temperature of the liquid?
With the rest of the fans maybe I should go with the 1050 RPM version and turn them down on a controller? That would give me an option to turn a couple up more for spot cooling.
It feels like this is coming along. I hope to order the rest of the parts soon.
So to complete my project I would get the following:
Extended U2-UFO:
Front Opti-1203
Horizon Brace
10PCI w/HB
HPTX
Left Big Window
Right Triple Quad
op Triple Quad
Water cooling:
* Thermaltake Flow TX Plus Flow Meter w/ Temperature Indicator (CL-W0138)
* Laing D5 Vario/Swiftech MCP655 Inline 12V DC Pump
* Some kind of reservoir (I'm guessing bigger is better?)
* Swiftech Apogee XT CPU Waterblock
* "Quantum" from tim Consultants
* Quad 120mm radiator (which one?)* Some type of fan controller that would run off of the temature of the coolent and offfer an alarm solution if tematures rise pas a certain pint
* 1450 RPM gentle typhoon fans
* Fittings for the tubes (which is best quality)
* non conductive coolent such as Feser1 or Primochill Ice. (someone else recommend thermaltakes brand)
* X number of feet of Tygon Silver or black hose (pvc or neoprene?)
* clamps such as this one http://www.petrastechshop.com/ststwohocl.html
* reduction adapters for the motherboard.
* A fan controller that would work based on the actual temperature of the coolant.
Other things:
* More Gentle typhoon fans for the rest of the case (lower RPM)
* Some type of PMW fan solution to keep the area around the CPU cold.
* Air filters for all fans
* Vibration reduces for all fans?
* High watt fan controller to tweak fan speeds (Sunbeam Rheobus Extreme?)
* Thermostate based fan controller to use for some of the fans so that the speeds will increase automatically if needed Scythe KAZE SERVER Multi Function
* Wire sleeving kits?
Is there anything else that I could possibly want? Any additional recommendations that you might have would be much appreciated. Thanks again for all of the help!
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Hi
How would I mount the 80mm fan? I could find a 120MM PMW fan that I could put in the case over that part of the motherboard.
It doesn't have to be an 80mm fan a 60mm would do it is only to supply some cooling airflow to that area. I made a bracket out of acrylic sheet so that it didn't show but anything like that would do.
How about the fan controllers? Do you know of one that will reliably control the radiator fans based on the actual temperature of the liquid?
There are controllers out there that do this. I believe that Scythe make one.
Reservoir - bigger is not necessarily better. Once fitted it only takes more coolant to fill a bigger reservoir.
Radiator - Lot of cr*p talked about radiators. There has been some interesting studies done recently and most perform within small amounts of each other. Just make sure you get well made ones.
Fittings - Bitspower do a nice range but as long as you stick to one make to have uniformity I don't think there's a lot to choose.
Coolant - Any you prefer the only thing is I would recommend to use clear as the colourant can drop out of the dyed versions and cause small blockages.
Clamps - As shown would be fine. Do not over tighten though.
Tubing - Tygon is a special type of tubing that withstands most chemical and biological agents and is neither neoprene nor PVC.
Alarm - incorporated into you flow solution (Thermaltake Flow TX Plus Flow Meter w/ Temperature Indicator (CL-W0138))
I think that covers most everything although there is bound to be something that we have missed (otherwise the Law of Sod wouldn't exist).
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A few updates:
I talked with MM and they say the case is not large enough to run radiators with the SR-2 motherboard (in case I want to go that route). The suggested in extended ascension. This would limit me to "triple 120mm radiators". The tech recommended that I use fans with a 100 CFM maximum output. He also said the black ice GTX was the highest performing radiator.
Does this all sound correct to you?
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I believe the Black Ice is the top performer at the moment but it needs plenty of airflow to reach it's maximum potential. As I said before there really isn't that much in it. The triple 120s should be fine. As far as the case goes then you must take their advice on that if that motherboard is what you have in mind.
Sounds like you are getting nearer now ;D
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Do you have any thoughts on the Ultra Kaze Series of fans? The 3000 RPM model will push 130CFM on the maximum setting.
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Well known as being efficient but a bit noisy. I haven't actually used them personally but have read about them several times.
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I wonder if there is something quieter that will push 100 CFM
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What exactly will you be cooling from the outset? What I am thinking is that you could install some less powerfull fans if you don't need the full cooling potential and upgrade them later if you felt it necessary.
I have checked out a few available 120mm fans that are somewhere close to the volume of air required. Obviously in nearly all cases the volume of noise follows the volume of air moved.
http://www.candccentral.co.uk/Xigmatek-XSF-F1251-120mm-Quiet-Case-Fan.html 72cfm
http://www.candccentral.co.uk/Coolermaster-Blade-Master-120-120mm-Case-Fan-PWM.html 77cfm
http://www.candccentral.co.uk/Yate-Loon-D12SH-12-120mm-Case-Fan-2200RPM.html 77cfm
http://www.candccentral.co.uk/Coolermaster-Excalibur-120mm-Case-Fan-PWM.html 86cfm
http://www.candccentral.co.uk/Scythe-Kaze-Jyuni-1600RPM-Slip-Stream-120mm-Fan.html 87 cfm
http://www.candccentral.co.uk/Scythe-Kaze-Jyuni-1900RPM-Slip-Stream-120mm-Fan.html 110cfm
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I would just like to update my post regarding the CPU waterblock. I originally recommended the Swiftech XT block but it has since come to light that the build quality and especially the quality of the retaining fittings are lacking. I am in the process of swapping mine out for a HeatKiller version 3.0 which seems to be a quality cooler and better made.