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Title: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: jasiowroc on August 26, 2010, 04:01:09 pm
Hi, I have a strange problem with my GTX 275 graphics card, the League of Legends game where the fps drops to 55 shows the transition frames, and for example when I go to the store the fps drops to 40-50 and it looks as if it were 30 or 20, I have a new Windows 7 (today was format) 258.96 drivers the latest bios, directx end user uploaded, temperatue OK , my computer specification:
Windows 7 x64
4 GB RAM
Phenom II 940 oc; 3.5
GTX 275 without overlock: http://ee.giga-byte.com/products/vga/bios/gv-n275ud-896h.html
Segadate 320GB
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: Dark Mantis on August 26, 2010, 04:10:02 pm
The obvious answer is that you are trying to use too high a resolution etc.
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: jasiowroc on August 26, 2010, 04:12:21 pm
1920x1200 is not so high and for what is 1920x1200 so it's a problem with fps ;o
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: Dark Mantis on August 26, 2010, 04:19:32 pm
It is not just the resolution though as you know it is all the other settings alongside it. You haven't given that many details and I don't personally know the game so it's hard to make a good call. Is there any patches for the game that you could install? Do you have all the settings on max?
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: jasiowroc on August 26, 2010, 04:25:31 pm
Auto-update this game have, yes its on full and i see in random places in map fps drops from 60 to 50 and back in sec to 60
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: Dark Mantis on August 26, 2010, 04:28:46 pm
You didn't say what motherboard you have but it is possible there is a bit of a bottleneck on the PCIE bus.
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: jasiowroc on August 26, 2010, 04:31:40 pm
MA790X-UD4
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: Dark Mantis on August 26, 2010, 04:41:42 pm
Do you have anything else plugged in the slots?
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: jasiowroc on August 26, 2010, 04:42:42 pm
you mean a second card ? no
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: Dark Mantis on August 26, 2010, 04:47:46 pm
In that case I can only suggest trying it with lower settings and see if that helps.
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: jasiowroc on August 26, 2010, 05:01:14 pm
nope it dont helps
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: Dark Mantis on August 26, 2010, 05:14:39 pm
Sorry I don't know the game and I can't see any reason why it should slow down apart from the obvious settings. Maybe someone else can help you.
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: jasiowroc on August 26, 2010, 05:16:58 pm
nope lowest driver doesnt help , and this is not in only this games for example in tf2 too
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: Dark Mantis on August 26, 2010, 05:23:16 pm
Is this a new build or have you just formatted the drive and instaled Win7 64bit?
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: jasiowroc on August 26, 2010, 05:33:02 pm
nope i got like 6 moths and like 10 reinstall windows
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: Dark Mantis on August 26, 2010, 08:49:27 pm
Right I have just been discussing your problem with my son, another TF2 player, and he said that it is a very heavy CPU game as far as frame rates are concerned plus of course the internet connection could be letting the side down. Is your problem when you are playing or when you are recording it? Apparently if you have a fast frame rate when recording it can lead to a lag forming and ending up slower than it should be.
Hope this helps. ;)
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: jasiowroc on August 26, 2010, 10:54:50 pm
sooo :) what i must to do :d
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: Dark Mantis on August 26, 2010, 10:57:11 pm
I am not sure what you must do! But look at the things I have listed and see if any apply to your situation. If so try and fix them. ;)
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: jasiowroc on August 26, 2010, 11:10:40 pm
i have this problem when im playing not recordning game (got 60hz)
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: Dark Mantis on August 26, 2010, 11:12:34 pm
What speed internet connection do you have ? (Real not advertised!)
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: jasiowroc on August 27, 2010, 09:06:41 am
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/929785647.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: Dark Mantis on August 27, 2010, 09:13:43 am
Yes not exactly fibre optic is it   ;) Still i would have thought it was fast enough under normal circumstances. Funny that your upload speed is greater than your download :-\  I will ask my son again and see if he can throw any light on it.
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: absic on August 27, 2010, 10:04:46 am
I have 10 meg broadband and although my download speeds are almost that my upload speeds are awful. Normally I only get about 0.5 Mb/s.
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/929829877.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: Dark Mantis on August 27, 2010, 10:15:00 am
Yes mine are the same as usual (supposed to be 10Mbs down) but always crap upload. Obviously better for that in Poland  ;D

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/929837963.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: jasiowroc on August 27, 2010, 10:39:59 am
so any tip to fix
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: Dark Mantis on August 27, 2010, 11:18:11 am
Not really, it all depends on what speed you are supposed to be getting from your ISP. Check with them and see if they can  increase your downspeed at all.
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: jasiowroc on August 27, 2010, 11:28:54 am
i do test again after tips and : (http://www.speedtest.net/result/929899567.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: Dark Mantis on August 27, 2010, 11:57:00 am
I don't know about over in Poland but that is more like what I would expect to see over here in the UK.

Try your games again and see if it has helped at all.
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: jasiowroc on August 27, 2010, 12:12:13 pm
nope that not help;/
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: Dark Mantis on August 27, 2010, 12:13:38 pm
I will post again later after talking to my son.
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: jasiowroc on August 27, 2010, 11:13:29 pm
now i can in tf2 where must be 60 fps always with vsync my in action random fps drops to 55-50 and in sec go to 60
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: Dark Mantis on August 27, 2010, 11:34:00 pm
After discussing it with my son he says the internet connection wouldn't have anything to do with your framerate as that is done locally. It could produce lag but that is different.
So we definitely have to be looking on your computer for the answer. The gfx card is good, you have enough memory installed, the CPU is fine so it has got to be down to some settings. I will read through the thread again and see if I can think of anything. ???
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: Dark Mantis on August 27, 2010, 11:47:38 pm
I don't know how much research you have done into the problem you have  but I found on the "Legends" website the following regarding low FPS and it says just what I did to start with about too high settings.

Low FPS Troubleshooting
Last Updated
19th of March, 2010
  
The most common cause of low FPS in League of Legends is high in-game video settings. To lower your video settings:
Start a practice game of League of Legends
After entering the game, open the League of Legends Options menu at the bottom of the screen, or simply press Esc
Select the Video menu
In the Video option menu, under Settings, set to Custom
You can change the video settings for: Character Quality, Enviroment Quality, Effects Quality, and Shadows. The lower the settings you choose, the more your FPS should increase. The settings that affect FPS most noticeably are Shadows and Environment Quality.  
Another common solution to low FPS problems is to update your video card drivers.

Framerate Normalization Settings

In the video options menu, the setting labeled "Frame Rate Cap" can be used to prevent unexpected dips in framerate by attempting to smooth out the game's performance. By default, the option is set to “Benchmark” which means that all framerate smoothing is disabled. Other settings have the following behavior:

Stable – This attempts to detect and maintain a stable framerate above 25fps. Players may experience a slightly lower maximum framerate, but fluctuations should be less.
High – This option also detects the low and high framerates and attempts to normalize the performance, but at a higher FPS than the “Stable” option.
25/30/60/80 – These options allow the player to control the target framerate the smoothing process will attempt to achieve.
FPS Drop in Windowed Mode

In the Video Option menu in game, there is an option to run the game in Windowed mode. Windowed mode often results in a significant drop in FPS. If you are running the game in Windowed mode, and experiencing poor FPS, it is recommended that you disable Windowed mode. Additionally, if you're using dual monitors, running Windowed mode on the secondary monitor may result in a noticeable drop in FPS. Try to keep the League of Legends window on the primary monitor.

Common programs that can lower League of Legends performance

There are a number of programs that can cause poor frame rate or latency if left open while running League of Legends. Closing these programs may improve your game's performance. These programs include:

Anti-virus scanners
Webpage browsers
Streaming audio and video
Some common examples of these programs: McAfee Anti-Virus scanner, Mozilla Firefox web browser, and Pandora streaming audio. Game Requirements


Video Card must support shader model 2.0. Models that support this are listed below.

- nvidia: GeForce 5 or better

- ati: any 9xxx after and not

including the 9250, any Xxxx after and including the X300
- intel: no clue, if you have an idea let me know


DRIVERS


One of the more common problems and usually one of the easiest to resolve is graphics driver issues. Many times the problems can be resolved by installing the latest drivers for your video card


One point to make sure is clear, as of this time the graphics engine is not completely optimized for performance. In my experience this is one of the last things to get done prior to release.


ATTENTION ALL MOBILE USERS: currently there are known issues with most mobile graphics solutions. Most users do not have problems with the mobile solution so long as they have the updated drivers. But this does not mean that you will not have any issues. I do not have all the details other than this is on Riot's to do list.


If you are not sure what kind of video card you have 2 solutions.

1. go to the manufacturers website and look it up

2. click start -> run and type in dxdiag and hit enter. Click on the display tab and it will have the info you need.


If you have an nVidia based solution please go to the link below. If you have patience it will try to autodetect what you have. If it cant use the dxdiag info to select the correct driver

http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us


If you have an ATI solution use the following link

http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx


notes on ATI cards: If you have an older model please use the link to get your driver. DO NOT just download the latest catalyste suite as it will only update the software side of things and will not include the updated driver


If you have an other card, usually intel, please use your manufacturers website to get the latest driver. If you are pretty savvy with searches you can do a search through google.com or some other search engine. Just make sure you get what applies to your graphics solution. Installing incorrect drivers can cause undesirable effects that may take a proffessional to fix.


SLI AND CROSSFIRE USERS


SLI

As of the writing of this post SLI is NOT SUPPORTED. If you choose to enable SLI you will most likely experience application crashes or potentially system crashes during gameplay. Most users have said they cannot even get the game to load before a crash. The plan is to support SLI in the future. But SLI users are considered the minority of players so SLI is on the back burner as an item that is considered "nice to have", but not required.

*Update* I have been informed that some users are not having problems with SLI. This may have been resolved in a recent patch


CROSSFIRE

As far as I know LoL works with Crossfire. However this does not mean it has been optimized in any way shape or form and may still have issues with crossfire. However from my personal experience I have never had an issue.


FPS

FPS or Frames per Second is exactly what it says it is. This number is shown in the top right corner when you are in a game. In the past some users were able to get around and over 200 FPS with higher end machines (SLI and CrossFire), but recently to help trouble shoot some issues Riot has chosen to put a cap on on it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gruof01

The frame rate is now capped at 100fps. If you have vsync enabled it will cap at your monitor's refresh rate, probably 60fps.
 

There is also currently some anomalies that have the community does not currently know what causes them or a fix. This is primarily experienced in the form of a massive drop in FPS and a large spike in your latency. As I gather more information I will post a link to a possible fix later. For the time being it will need to suffice that Riot is aware of the issue and is working on a fix.
 
Hope this fixes it for you  ;)
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: jasiowroc on August 28, 2010, 12:08:30 pm
hmmm i'm sad bc it's doesnt fix mine problem, bc this problem is not only in LoL, i all games it is, i wonder to know can problem be hard drive?
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: Dark Mantis on August 28, 2010, 12:56:29 pm
I really wouldn't have thought so because once the game is loaded the hard drives work is more or less over. The amount of RAM and the swapfile would be more important. You said you had a Seagate 320 disk is that PATA or SATA? And if SATA which speed?
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: jasiowroc on August 28, 2010, 01:49:36 pm
SATA . got 4gb ram 800hz

HD Tune: ST3320620AS Benchmark

Transfer Rate Minimum : 33.9 MB/sec
Transfer Rate Maximum : 65.6 MB/sec

health here
HD Tune: ST3320620AS Health

ID                               Current  Worst    ThresholdData       Status   
(01) Raw Read Error Rate         120      99       6        239519700  Ok       
(03) Spin Up Time                96       95       0        0          Ok       
(04) Start/Stop Count            98       98       20       2455       Ok       
(05) Reallocated Sector Count    100      100      36       0          Ok       
(07) Seek Error Rate             58       48       30       277836433  Ok       
(09) Power On Hours Count        91       91       0        7990       Ok       
(0A) Spin Retry Count            100      100      97       0          Ok       
(0C) Power Cycle Count           98       98       20       2431       Ok       
(BB) (unknown attribute)         100      100      0        0          Ok       
(BD) (unknown attribute)         100      100      0        0          Ok       
(BE) Airflow Temperature         63       40       45       622067749  Ok       
(C2) Temperature                 37       60       0        37         Ok       
(C3) Hardware ECC Recovered      74       55       0        220647503  Ok       
(C5) Current Pending Sector      100      100      0        0          Ok       
(C6) Offline Uncorrectable       100      100      0        0          Ok       
(C7) Ultra DMA CRC Error Count   200      200      0        4          Ok       
(C8) Write Error Rate            100      253      0        0          Ok       
(CA) TA Counter Increased        100      253      0        0          Ok       

Power On Time         : 7990
Health Status         : Ok

Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: Dark Mantis on August 28, 2010, 02:30:06 pm
Quote
Transfer Rate Minimum : 33.9 MB/sec
Transfer Rate Maximum : 65.6 MB/sec

Your speeds aren't great but as I said earlier they aren't going to affect the game much once it is loaded.
What I posted before about the "Legends" game FPS will be applicable to most games of that type so I think you should try and see what settings will affect your computer.
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: jasiowroc on August 28, 2010, 03:12:29 pm
i did and still nothing
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: Dark Mantis on August 28, 2010, 03:30:12 pm
Then I am afraid I have no more ideas. I can't think of anything else that would have any bearing on the frame rate. Sorry.
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: jasiowroc on August 28, 2010, 03:35:43 pm
is there is any sugestion to be wrong cable connected ?
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: Dark Mantis on August 28, 2010, 05:02:25 pm
Can you elaborate on your question. Which cable are you talking about?
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: jasiowroc on August 28, 2010, 05:26:43 pm
any cable , for example connected to graphic card or processor ram or hard drive (this qwestion was asking , reason no ideas)
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: Dark Mantis on August 28, 2010, 05:45:23 pm
I am afraid you are just clutching at straws. There is nothing to suggest there is anything wrong with any of the cables.I don't know what firmware you have on your graphics card but it might be possible to update that. There is no guarrantee that it would make any difference but it is an option.
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: jasiowroc on August 28, 2010, 06:38:56 pm
i have newest firmware , but i see i have random fps drops in games
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: Dark Mantis on August 28, 2010, 06:54:09 pm
Well I really don't know what else you can do.  ??? Just wait for another driver update and hope that fixes it I guess.  :-\
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: jasiowroc on August 28, 2010, 08:52:05 pm
i dont think so the new drivers can fix the problem :(
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: Dark Mantis on August 28, 2010, 09:07:17 pm
I don't understand why you say that. New drivers can make a huge difference to the board. I really don't think there is any point in continuing this thread and getting nowhere.
Title: Re: GTX 275 strange problem
Post by: jasiowroc on September 01, 2010, 07:40:24 pm
and when they may be more or less the premiere of the new drivers?