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Questions about GIGABYTE products => Motherboards with AMD processors => Topic started by: soarwitheagles on August 30, 2010, 04:56:59 am
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Hi everyone!
I recently picked up AMD's new x6 1055T Processor. I have three MB's presently at my disposal, but I prefer to use a better MB for this new build.
Here are the three MB's I presently have in my shop:
MSI 880GMA-E45
Gigabyte 880GM-UD2H
MSI K9N6PGM2-v2
I hesitate to use any of the three for various specific reasons [BIOS issues, Micro ATX's when I was hoping for ATX's, etc].
Can someone here please give me some good advice on a good MB and RAM for this new AMD X6 1055T CPU?
Thanks,
Soar
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Hi Soar,
so, have you had enough of Dark Mantis and the Intel side of things?
Want some proper help and advice?
Well it's nice to see you in the AMD section of the forum and, just so that you know, we won't hold your Intel experiences against you. But don't think by looking at AMD you will be leaving Dark Mantis behind, oh no! He will find you here and still torment you........ there's really no escape!!! :o
So, to get to your question of an excellent Motherboard/RAM choice. Well, being flippant I have too say: "The one that works!" Unfortunately, the reality is that there is a very limited choice when it comes to AMD Boards and, if you don't want to use on-board graphics the choice becomes even harder.
I have a GA-790XTA-UD4 with 8 Gig of Corsair Dominator 1600 Mhz RAM and for me, it is one of the best solutions available at the moment. http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3263&dl=1#ov I have been really impressed by the amount of abuse I have thrown at this board and the fact that it keeps coming back for more. I have an X6 1090T which has been up to 4.2 Ghz and the whole system stayed solid. The only issues I have encountered have been with other peripherals and I would say that the biggest mistake I have made has been in the choice of Western Digital HDD's which will only work in Native IDE Mode.
If I was going to upgrade, I would go for the updated version of this board the GA-890XA-UD3 which has comparable features but does away with the Marvell 9128 Chip in favour of the AMD SB850. http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3421#ov
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Hi Soar,
so, have you had enough of Dark Mantis and the Intel side of things?
Don't think by looking at AMD you will be leaving Dark Mantis behind, oh no! He will find you here and still torment you........ there's really no escape!!! :o
I have a GA-790XTA-UD4 with 8 Gig of Corsair Dominator 1600 Mhz RAM and for me, it is one of the best solutions available at the moment. The only issues I have encountered have been with other peripherals and I would say that the biggest mistake I have made has been in the choice of Western Digital HDD's which will only work in Native IDE Mode.
If I was going to upgrade, I would go for the updated version of this board the GA-890XA-UD3 which has comparable features but does away with the Marvell 9128 Chip in favour of the AMD SB850. http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3421#ov
Never fear I is here 8)
Hi Soar I see you found absic ok, I said he was the best person to help with this side of things. As he says in his last paragraph I think the best board is the 890 which has the updated chipset without the Marvell controller it has some good reviews. Anyway I will get out while I still can. See you. ;)
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Hi Soar,
so, have you had enough of Dark Mantis and the Intel side of things?
Want some proper help and advice?
Well it's nice to see you in the AMD section of the forum and, just so that you know, we won't hold your Intel experiences against you. But don't think by looking at AMD you will be leaving Dark Mantis behind, oh no! He will find you here and still torment you........ there's really no escape!!! :o
So, to get to your question of an excellent Motherboard/RAM choice. Well, being flippant I have too say: "The one that works!" Unfortunately, the reality is that there is a very limited choice when it comes to AMD Boards and, if you don't want to use on-board graphics the choice becomes even harder.
I have a GA-790XTA-UD4 with 8 Gig of Corsair Dominator 1600 Mhz RAM and for me, it is one of the best solutions available at the moment. http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3263&dl=1#ov I have been really impressed by the amount of abuse I have thrown at this board and the fact that it keeps coming back for more. I have an X6 1090T which has been up to 4.2 Ghz and the whole system stayed solid. The only issues I have encountered have been with other peripherals and I would say that the biggest mistake I have made has been in the choice of Western Digital HDD's which will only work in Native IDE Mode.
If I was going to upgrade, I would go for the updated version of this board the GA-890XA-UD3 which has comparable features but does away with the Marvell 9128 Chip in favour of the AMD SB850. http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3421#ov
LOL! It's so nice to see you two are such great friends that you can host a fryer's club for one another every now and then!!!
Anyhow, ol' Mr. Dark Mantis has actually brought me out of the darkness of computer ignorance over and over again and for that I am thankful...and somehow he does it with a great attitude and disposition without fail....can't get much better than that!
Ok, thanks for the good advice on the GA-890XA-UD3. Now I am trying to discover if the model that New Egg is selling is version 1 or version 2. Not sure which it is. Here's their site and I cannot find the answer:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128438&cm_re=GA-890XA-UD3-_-13-128-438-_-Product
Whoops, quick edit: I now see that the New Egg site is showing the SB850 onboard this MB, so I suppose this is the version 2 you are referring to? Please let me know because if it is, I will probably purchase it.
absic115, DM sure has a lot of good things to say about you. I know now that I can trust you and ask you just about anything when it comes to AMD and Gigabyte.
Thanks again for the help. I am seriously looking for the item you have suggested. Ebay prices are sky high on this item whereas New Egg's prices are much lower...yet, neither seem to give clarity in regards to which version...
I will keep looking!
Up, up, and away!
Soar
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Hi Soar,
It's nice to see that you are appreciative of an old codger with a white stick. Dark Mantis is still sitting in the corner dribbling into his tea but he's really happy about your comments and smiling inanely out of the window. ;) You shouldn't believe everything he says about me as , if I don't pay him enough, he can become quite abusive and threatening. However most of what he says is probably true, I am good looking, brilliant, modest, humble etc., etc. :D
To be totally honest I am not actually sure about the differences between Rev1 and Rev 2 and in their wisdom Gigabyte never make it clear. However I have marked the differences that I can spot in the following pictures.
Rev 1.0
(http://a.imageshack.us/img835/7441/rev1.th.jpg) (http://img835.imageshack.us/i/rev1.jpg/)
Rev 2.0
(http://a.imageshack.us/img409/6901/rev2.th.jpg) (http://img409.imageshack.us/i/rev2.jpg/)
I would double check with newegg about the Revision Number though, as quite often suppliers do have older stock sitting on the shelves.
Something to consider of course will be the RAM that you are going to use with this system. Technically you really shouldn't go above 1333 Mhz RAM as anything faster can cause system instability but it is a grey area and as I mentioned previously I do have 1600 Mhz RAM that runs OK on my system, however I have actually pulled this back to 1333 Mhz as recommend by AMD. Be careful about this and don't fall into the trap that many have done of buying faster RAM Modules which need higher volts and then cause lots of problems. Double check the QVL for memory before deciding what to get.
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It's nice to see that you are appreciative of an old codger with a white stick. Dark Mantis is still sitting in the corner dribbling into his tea but he's really happy about your comments and smiling inanely out of the window. ;) You shouldn't believe everything he says about me as , if I don't pay him enough, he can become quite abusive and threatening. However most of what he says is probably true, I am good looking, brilliant, modest, humble etc., etc. :D
Hey absic I really didn't think you could see my house from your cell I understood they had moved you to max security now for trying to hack the coffee machine ;) The rest of it sounds about right though, apart from the last sentence :P
To be totally honest I am not actually sure about the differences between Rev1 and Rev 2 and in their wisdom Gigabyte never make it clear.
I would double check with newegg about the Revision Number though, as quite often suppliers do have older stock sitting on the shelves.
I don't know about the AMD platform that you are talking about absic but on the Intel boards Gigabyte have a habit of loading up the rev 1.0 boards with power phases and then cutting back on them in rev 2.0. Might be worth checking.
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Just been doing some more checking into the differences between the two revision numbers and it seems that Revision 2.0 has less USB ports available than the Rev 1.0.
This is the only really noticeable hardware change I have come across.
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Just been doing some more checking into the differences between the two revision numbers and it seems that Revision 2.0 has less USB ports available than the Rev 1.0.
This is the only really noticeable hardware change I have come across.
Absic,
Can you tell the different usb port numbers on each version please?
Soar
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Hi Soar,
It's nice to see that you are appreciative of an old codger with a white stick. Dark Mantis is still sitting in the corner dribbling into his tea but he's really happy about your comments and smiling inanely out of the window. ;) You shouldn't believe everything he says about me as , if I don't pay him enough, he can become quite abusive and threatening. However most of what he says is probably true, I am good looking, brilliant, modest, humble etc., etc. :D
To be totally honest I am not actually sure about the differences between Rev1 and Rev 2 and in their wisdom Gigabyte never make it clear. However I have marked the differences that I can spot in the following pictures.
Rev 1.0
(http://a.imageshack.us/img835/7441/rev1.th.jpg) (http://img835.imageshack.us/i/rev1.jpg/)
Rev 2.0
(http://a.imageshack.us/img409/6901/rev2.th.jpg) (http://img409.imageshack.us/i/rev2.jpg/)
I would double check with newegg about the Revision Number though, as quite often suppliers do have older stock sitting on the shelves.
Something to consider of course will be the RAM that you are going to use with this system. Technically you really shouldn't go above 1333 Mhz RAM as anything faster can cause system instability but it is a grey area and as I mentioned previously I do have 1600 Mhz RAM that runs OK on my system, however I have actually pulled this back to 1333 Mhz as recommend by AMD. Be careful about this and don't fall into the trap that many have done of buying faster RAM Modules which need higher volts and then cause lots of problems. Double check the QVL for memory before deciding what to get.
Absic,
Thanks for the important info. Ok, I looked carefully at the New Egg pic and it shows rev. 1.0. Also, I do not see the added components as your pic revealed in your rev. 2 photo. Thanks also for the info on the 1333 MHz. Wow, I thought it was easy to find a MB that can shoot up to 1600Mhz. Just goes to show how little I really know about AMD MB's.
Ok, I will definitely check with NE about the version number.
Thanks again for your help.
Soar
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Can you tell the different usb port numbers on each version please?
From the Specification Sheet I lifted the following:
Rev 1.0: South Bridge:
Up to 16 USB 2.0/1.1 ports (10 on the back panel (Note 4), 6 via the USB brackets connected to the internal USB headers)
NEC D720200F1chip:
Up to 2 USB 3.0/2.0 ports on the back panel
* USB 3.0 10x performance is a maximum theoretical value. Actual performance may vary by system configuration.
Rev 2.0 : South Bridge:
Up to 12 USB 2.0/1.1 ports (8 on the back panel, 4 via the USB brackets connected to the internal USB headers)
NEC D720200F1chip:
Up to 2 USB 3.0/2.0 ports on the back panel
* USB 3.0 10x performance is a maximum theoretical value. Actual performance may vary by system configuration.
So according to this Rev 1.0 has four more USB Ports.
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That would pretty much fit in with what I was saying about the cutting back of resources on the rev2.0 boards compared to the rev1.0. It is just the same sort of thing on the Intel platform.
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Can you tell the different usb port numbers on each version please?
From the Specification Sheet I lifted the following:
Rev 1.0: South Bridge:
Up to 16 USB 2.0/1.1 ports (10 on the back panel (Note 4), 6 via the USB brackets connected to the internal USB headers)
NEC D720200F1chip:
Up to 2 USB 3.0/2.0 ports on the back panel
* USB 3.0 10x performance is a maximum theoretical value. Actual performance may vary by system configuration.
Rev 2.0 : South Bridge:
Up to 12 USB 2.0/1.1 ports (8 on the back panel, 4 via the USB brackets connected to the internal USB headers)
NEC D720200F1chip:
Up to 2 USB 3.0/2.0 ports on the back panel
* USB 3.0 10x performance is a maximum theoretical value. Actual performance may vary by system configuration.
So according to this Rev 1.0 has four more USB Ports.
Absic,
Ok, so it appears as if the big difference between these two versions is the Marvell 9128 Chip vs. the AMD SB850 and that appears to be a very important difference. I think it is best if I wait until I can be assured that I am purchasing v.2.
Without you I would have never even had a clue about these vital differences.
Thanks again.
Soar
UPDATE EDIT: Oh, I now realize I misread your posts. Now I see that tthe v.1 MB also comes with the AMD SB850. So, now I am considering purchasing this MB.
Couple of other questions:
What is this:Advanced 8+2 phase CPU VRM power design for AMD high-TDP 140W CPU support? Does this tell me the PSU must have an extra 2 + 8 pin for the CPU power in plug?
Finally, will I be able to purchase and maximize 1600MHz RAM with this board or will I be stuck at 1333MHz?
Thanks,
Soar
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That would pretty much fit in with what I was saying about the cutting back of resources on the rev2.0 boards compared to the rev1.0. It is just the same sort of thing on the Intel platform.
Thanks for the heads up DM. I appreciate you two educating me in this area!
Soar
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What is this:Advanced 8+2 phase CPU VRM power design for AMD high-TDP 140W CPU support? Does this tell me the PSU must have an extra 2 + 8 pin for the CPU power in plug?
No you don't need an extra 8 Pin plug it's just a nice way of saying the board uses the power efficiently and splits the single phase electricity coming in to the board to 2 phases. AMD High TDP 140W support is quite a useful piece of info for those of us who bought earlier versions of the Phenom ii's that needed 140W to power them. The new range of Phenom ii's are usually 125W and there are a lot of boards that can't support the more power hungry versions.
will I be able to purchase and maximize 1600MHz RAM with this board or will I be stuck at 1333MHz?
Technically the board can easily take 1600 Mhz RAM but, and it is a big BUT, if it will work or not is a bit hit and miss and that is due to the AM3's Memory Controller NOT the motherboard. If you make sure that the RAM is on the QVL for the Board then you should be OK but it is worth remembering that AMD have said the maximum speed they recommend is 1333Mhz. Just to contradict what I have said about the QVL, and something to note is that my choice of RAM doesn't actually appear on the Gigabyte QVL but is said to work OK on the Corsair site. I have 2 kits of Corsair Dominator CMD4GX3M2B16000C8 (8 Gig total) that can run at the stated speed but with slightly looser timings. However, I am now running this at the default of 1333 Mhz. There hasn't been a noticeable drop in overall system speed and, if I wanted to bump up the speed of the CPU, it does give me plenty of headroom.
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What is this:Advanced 8+2 phase CPU VRM power design for AMD high-TDP 140W CPU support? Does this tell me the PSU must have an extra 2 + 8 pin for the CPU power in plug?
No you don't need an extra 8 Pin plug it's just a nice way of saying the board uses the power efficiently and splits the single phase electricity coming in to the board to 2 phases. AMD High TDP 140W support is quite a useful piece of info for those of us who bought earlier versions of the Phenom ii's that needed 140W to power them. The new range of Phenom ii's are usually 125W and there are a lot of boards that can't support the more power hungry versions.
will I be able to purchase and maximize 1600MHz RAM with this board or will I be stuck at 1333MHz?
Technically the board can easily take 1600 Mhz RAM but, and it is a big BUT, if it will work or not is a bit hit and miss and that is due to the AM3's Memory Controller NOT the motherboard. If you make sure that the RAM is on the QVL for the Board then you should be OK but it is worth remembering that AMD have said the maximum speed they recommend is 1333Mhz. Just to contradict what I have said about the QVL, and something to note is that my choice of RAM doesn't actually appear on the Gigabyte QVL but is said to work OK on the Corsair site. I have 2 kits of Corsair Dominator CMD4GX3M2B16000C8 (8 Gig total) that can run at the stated speed but with slightly looser timings. However, I am now running this at the default of 1333 Mhz. There hasn't been a noticeable drop in overall system speed and, if I wanted to bump up the speed of the CPU, it does give me plenty of headroom.
Ok, thanks again for helping me understand this...esp. about the RAM and Memory Controller. I have not been able to locate the QVL for the GA-890XA-UD3. I checked Gigabyte's website and could not find it. Is there one?
Finally, I have experienced exactly what you are saying with my i5-750 set up. The RAM I purchased was not on Gig's QVL, but was on G.SKILL's list. First pair gave me so much trouble...and lead to so much frustration. I RMA'd them even though they passed MEMTEST86+.
GSKILL sent me a new pair with a manufacture date of August 2010. It works perfect. At their forum, they suggested I turn on XMP and sure enough, I now obtain the 1600MHz as stated.
THanks ABsic,
Soar
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QVL for Rev 2.0
http://download.gigabyte.eu/FileList/Memory/mb_memory_ga-890xa-ud3_v.2.0.pdf
QVL for Rev 1.0
http://download.gigabyte.eu/FileList/Memory/mb_memory_ga-890xa-ud3.pdf
If you go to the download page at the Gigabyte Site it is hidden in the drop down menu along with driver& BIOS updates.
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QVL for Rev 2.0
http://download.gigabyte.eu/FileList/Memory/mb_memory_ga-890xa-ud3_v.2.0.pdf
QVL for Rev 1.0
http://download.gigabyte.eu/FileList/Memory/mb_memory_ga-890xa-ud3.pdf
If you go to the download page at the Gigabyte Site it is hidden in the drop down menu along with driver& BIOS updates.
Thanks a million again. I searched over and over on Gig's site, yet could not find it. What would I do without you [I would continue to make many costly and foolish mistakes that would cost me lots and lots of unnecessary money and time]!
Absic, I appreciate you and DM from the bottom of my heart.
Have a good one!
Soar
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No worries Soar,
Just pleased to be able to help and, if we can save you money too so much the better! :D
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No worries Soar,
Just pleased to be able to help and, if we can save you money too so much the better! :D
Absic,
I located another Gigabyte motherboard at my local Fry's store [I prefer to purchase from Fry's because they are local and have an excellent return policy if I have any problems. Have you any advice or suggestions on this MB and how does it differ from the GIGABYTE GA-890XA-UD3? Are each of these MB's just about the same or are there major differences? Finally, I did notice many more sales of this model GIGABYTE GA-890GPA-UD3H.
Here is the MB model number: GIGABYTE GA-890GPA-UD3H
Here's the website with the reviews and specs: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128438&cm_re=GA-890XA-UD3-_-13-128-438-_-Product
Here are the specs:
Model
Brand
GIGABYTE
Model
GA-890XA-UD3
Supported CPU
CPU Socket Type
AM3
CPU Type
Phenom II / Athlon II / Sempron 100 Series
FSB
2600MHz Hyper Transport (5200 MT/s)
Chipsets
North Bridge
AMD 790X
South Bridge
AMD SB850
Memory
Number of Memory Slots
4×240pin
Memory Standard
DDR3 1866(OC)*/1333/1066
* To reach DDR3 1866 MHz or above, you must install two memory modules and install them in the DDR3_3 and DDR3_4 memory sockets.
Maximum Memory Supported
16GB
Channel Supported
Dual Channel
Expansion Slots
PCI Express 2.0 x16
1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x16 (PCIEX16)
1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x8 (PCIEX8)
Note: For optimum performance, if only one PCI Express graphics card is to be installed, be sure to install it in the PCIEX16 slot. The PCIEX8 slot shares bandwidth with the PCIEX16 slot. When PCIEX8 is populated with a PCI Express graphics card, the PCIEX16 slot will operate at up to x8 mode.
PCI Express x1
3
PCI Slots
2
Storage Devices
PATA
1 x ATA133 2 Dev. Max
SATA 3Gb/s
2
SATA 6Gb/s
6 x SATA 6Gb/s
SATA RAID
SATA 6Gb/s: Support for SATA RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 5, RAID 10, and JBOD
SATA 3Gb/s: Support for SATA RAID 0, RAID 1, and JBOD
Onboard Video
Onboard Video Chipset
None
Onboard Audio
Audio Chipset
Realtek ALC892
Audio Channels
8 Channels
Onboard LAN
LAN Chipset
Realtek 8111D
Max LAN Speed
10/100/1000Mbps
Rear Panel Ports
PS/2
1
USB 1.1/2.0
8 x USB 2.0
USB 3.0
2 x USB 3.0
IEEE 1394
1 x IEEE 1394a
eSATA
2 x eSATA 3Gb/s
S/PDIF Out
1 x Optical, 1 x Coaxial
Audio Ports
6 Ports
Onboard USB
Onboard USB
6 x USB 2.0
Onboard 1394
Onboard 1394
2 x 1394a
Physical Spec
Form Factor
ATX
Dimensions
12.0" x 9.6"
Power Pin
24 Pin
Features
Features
Supports new generation of AMD Phenom II X6 processors
AMD SB850 provides 6 native SATA3 storage interfaces with superfast 6Gbps link speed and RAID 0, 1, 5, 10 support
Supports newest NEC SuperSpeed USB 3.0 with superfast transfer rates of up to 5 Gbps
Advanced 8+2 phase CPU VRM power design for AMD high-TDP 140W CPU support
2 PCI-E 2.0 x16 interface with ATI CrossFireX support for ultimate graphics performance
The Precision OV provides more precision voltage control for system
Manufacturer Warranty
Parts
3 years limited
Labor
3 years limited
Ok, I hope I have not overwhelmed you. Please share your thoughts and feelings with me on this one. Both MB models have nearly the same price.
THanks,
Soar
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No worries Soar,
Just pleased to be able to help and, if we can save you money too so much the better! :D
Absic,
I located another Gigabyte motherboard at my local Fry's store [I prefer to purchase from Fry's because they are local and have an excellent return policy if I have any problems. Have you any advice or suggestions on this MB and how does it differ from the GIGABYTE GA-890XA-UD3? Are each of these MB's just about the same or are there major differences? Finally, I did notice many more sales of this model GIGABYTE GA-890GPA-UD3H.
Here is the MB model number: GIGABYTE GA-890GPA-UD3H
Here's the website with the reviews and specs:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128435&Tpk=Gigabyte%20GA-890GPA-UD3H
Here are the specs:
Model
Brand
GIGABYTE
Model
GA-890GPA-UD3H
Supported CPU
CPU Socket Type
AM3
CPU Type
Phenom II / Athlon II / Sempron 100 Series
FSB
2600MHz Hyper Transport (5200 MT/s)
Chipsets
North Bridge
AMD 890GX
South Bridge
AMD SB850
Memory
Number of Memory Slots
4×240pin
Memory Standard
DDR3 1866 (OC)/1333/ 1066
Maximum Memory Supported
16GB
Channel Supported
Dual Channel
Expansion Slots
PCI Express 2.0 x16
2 (x16 or x8, x8)
PCI Express x1
3
PCI Slots
2
Storage Devices
PATA
1 x ATA133 2 Dev. Max
SATA 3Gb/s
2
SATA 6Gb/s
6 x SATA 6Gb/s
SATA RAID
SATA 3Gb/s: RAID 0, RAID 1, and JBOD
SATA 6Gb/s: RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 5, RAID 10, and JBOD
Onboard Video
Onboard Video Chipset
ATI Radeon HD 4290
Onboard Audio
Audio Chipset
Realtek ALC892
Audio Channels
8 Channels
Onboard LAN
LAN Chipset
Realtek 8111D
Max LAN Speed
10/100/1000Mbps
Rear Panel Ports
PS/2
1
Video Ports
D-Sub + DVI
HDMI
1 x HDMI
USB 1.1/2.0
4 x USB 2.0
USB 3.0
2 x USB 3.0
IEEE 1394
1 x IEEE 1394a
S/PDIF Out
1 x Optical
Audio Ports
6 Ports
Onboard USB
Onboard USB
8 x USB 2.0
Onboard 1394
Onboard 1394
2 x 1394a
Physical Spec
Form Factor
ATX
Dimensions
12.0" x 9.6"
Power Pin
24 Pin
Features
Features
Supports new generation of AMD Phenom II X6 processors
AMD SB850 provides native SATA3 storage interface with superfast 6Gbps link speed
Built-in a 128MB DDR3 Sideport Memory for accelerating graphics performance
Integrated ATI Radeon HD 4290 graphics (DirectX10.1)
2 PCI-E 2.0 x16 interface with ATI CrossFireX/ Hybrid CrossFireX technology support
Manufacturer Warranty
Parts
3 years limited
Labor
3 years limited
Ok, I hope I have not overwhelmed you. Please share your thoughts and feelings with me on this one. Both MB models have nearly the same price.
THanks,
Soar
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Hi Soar,
I steered away from this Mobo for a few reasons.
One it has on-board graphics and I'm not a lover of that feature on Mobo's
Secondly it has 3 different revisions which can make it a little worrying when it comes to BIOS updates etc., as it is easy to search for wrong version by mistake.
Thirdly it didn't have enough USB ports on the back panel for my liking
And, as I said when I first suggested the GA-890XA-UD3 it is the revamp of my own GA-790XTA-UD4 and this has proved to be a very reliable and solid mobo. I have done a lot of various tests with this board and it has not given me any cause for concern.
All I can really say to help you with your choice is, if it was my money I would go for the GA-890XA-UD3.
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Hi Soar,
I steered away from this Mobo for a few reasons.
One it has on-board graphics and I'm not a lover of that feature on Mobo's
Secondly it has 3 different revisions which can make it a little worrying when it comes to BIOS updates etc., as it is easy to search for wrong version by mistake.
Thirdly it didn't have enough USB ports on the back panel for my liking
And, as I said when I first suggested the GA-890XA-UD3 it is the revamp of my own GA-790XTA-UD4 and this has proved to be a very reliable and solid mobo. I have done a lot of various tests with this board and it has not given me any cause for concern.
All I can really say to help you with your choice is, if it was my money I would go for the GA-890XA-UD3.
Absic,
Thank you for your patience with me. I hope I have not worn you out with all my questions Absic! After reading your informative post, I immediately ordered the GA-890XA-UD3 for $104.99 through New Egg. They had a great deal on it and I appreciate you helping me make the right decision.
Have you any suggestions for the RAM? Are there any RAM sticks on the QVL that look better than the others?
And finally [and I hope I am not wearing you out with all my questions], have you any suggestions for the CPU cooler? I have a Cool Master Hyper 212 Plus new and just sitting on my bench. I never used it because Corsair has been dropping their water cooled H50 to low prices a lot here and I bought and installed one of the H50's in my signature rig listed below.
The main reason I have begun to go with the H50 is not so much because of lower temps but rather less weight on the MB. Have you any thoughts on the H50 compared to Hyper 212 Plus?
Wow, if I am not careful, we may have to contact DM to resuscitate poor Absic because Soarwitheagles wore Absic out!
I will be certain to ask DM if he is qualified to administer CPR in life threatening circumstances Absic!
Until then,
Soar
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Hi Soar,
You haven't worn me out at all. Now DM, there's a person to wear me out!!! ;)
When it comes to RAM it is a bit of a tricky area really. If I am being honest I would say to go for 1333 Mhz RAM and save yourself a lot of grief. But, if you are hoping to overclock your CPU a bit then I would say go for some 1600 Mhz RAM and downclock it to 1333 Mhz. This will give you some headroom to play with.
If you could give an indication of what you want form this build it would help to give you a better idea of which RAM to go for.
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Hi Soar,
You haven't worn me out at all. Now DM, there's a person to wear me out!!! ;)
When it comes to RAM it is a bit of a tricky area really. If I am being honest I would say to go for 1333 Mhz RAM and save yourself a lot of grief. But, if you are hoping to overclock your CPU a bit then I would say go for some 1600 Mhz RAM and downclock it to 1333 Mhz. This will give you some headroom to play with.
If you could give an indication of what you want form this build it would help to give you a better idea of which RAM to go for.
Absic, Thanks again for your help. I was hoping to run the RAM at 1600Mhz if possible, but it appears that this can be much more of a challenge with the AMD chip and MB if I am hearing you correctly.
Yes, I fully understand your statement about grief. I experienced more grief on my last build [the i5-750] then all other builds combined. It was confusing for me. Fortunate for me, DM helped me and we were able to discover the root cause of the problem...faulty RAM was the culprit. After changing out the RAM, everything is excellent now. I am thankful for the help and understanding I received here.
Ok, why am I building this hex core? This may sound silly, but I am building this system for three reasons:
1. I received a super deal on the CPU/MB combo [can't find prices that low (under $200) anywhere in the USA now].
2. I like to keep things somewhat "future proof" in the sense that my system will not become obsolete in the next 24 months
3. When my friends at work ask what type of computer I use at home I can tell them a six core processor and watch as their eyes become bigger than apples and then they think I am much smarter than I really am.
[just joking on that last one]
What do I want from this system? Good question...
1. Speed with minimal or no lag [I dislike waiting] [and yes, I am waiting for SSD prices to drop a wee bit lower].
2. Stability and reliability
3. Video encoding eventually [Here in the USA, Windows Media Center permits to record OTA (over the air), thus, I can record movie after movie absolutely free and it is 100% legal]. ***Once appropriate software is available, I would like to convert all the Windows Recorded TV Show (.wtv) into a format that is more easily storable and usable.
4. Gaming on very rare occasion [on rare occasion, I like to play Delta Force Extreme 2 and Crysis]. My wife who is my greatest treasure does not like it if I do lots of gaming.
I received the wake up call when one day she came home and asked how long I was going to have two wives...she told me the only thing she saw every day when she returned home was the back of my head...and that she was tired of talking to the back of my head...I considered shaving the back of my head and painting a handsome face on it, but realized that probably would not work...
So, gaming on very rare occasion my dear Absic!
BTW, what do you do for a living besides listening to all our computer related challenges? And do you play any games? And what type of rig are you running there?
My wife and I presently serve as educators...
Soar
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Hi Soar,
from what you are saying you want the system to do and if I was building this rig for myself I would go for something like this: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/8GB-(4x2GB)-CorsairXMS3-DDR3-PC3-10666-(1333)-240-Pin-Non-ECC-Unbuffered-CAS-9-9-9-24 Sorry the link is for UK website but it will show you what I would get. Yes it is an 8 Gig kit but video recording/transcoding really benefit from the extra RAM and buying a matched kit like this in the beginning is the best way to go for stability. It isn't on the QVL but it is 1333 Mhz at 1.5V and I have found this to be pretty solid in other builds I have done.
If 8 Gig of RAM is not within your budget then I would go for this 4 Gig matched Pair: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/4GB-(2x2GB)-Corsair-XMS3-Classic-DDR3-PC3-10666-(1333)-Non-ECC-Unbuffered-CAS-9-9-9-24-150V. Once again it is a model that I have used before and I know will work on the AMD platform.
If you notice both sets of RAM I am pointing you towards use 1.5V, if you decide to look for another brand this is one of the main things to look at. The AMD boards tend to have the RAM Set at 1.5V by default and it is much better if you can just get components that will plug in and not cause you too much grief. Another thing is that I am opting for 1333 Mhz RAM, although it is not the 1600 Mhz that you were looking for originally, it is the highest speed that AMD Recommend for their AM3 CPU's and from the testing I have done, I do feel this is the safest route to take.
Ah, my own RIG consists of the following:
Chassis: NZXT Tempest Evo
Mobo: GA-790XTA-UD4 (BIOS F3)
CPU: AMD Phenom II x6 1090T BE 125W
Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 Air cooler
RAM: Corsair Dominator 2 x CMD4GX3M2B1600C8 (8 Gig) (downclocked to 1333 Mhz)
GPU: Sapphire Radeon ATI 4850x2 (1 Gig)
Monitors: 1 x LG L1715S & 2 x LG L194WT
Sound Card: M-Audio Delta 1010
HDD's: 2 x Hitachi Deskstar 1TB RAID 0 (OS Installed on this array), 2 X WD 640 Gig Caviar Black SATA3, 1 x Seagate 1TB
DVD/CD: Liteon
Mouse: Microsoft Intellimouse Optical USB
Keyboard: Microsoft Digital Media Pro
Musical MIDI Interface: M-Audio Axiom 49
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit (Retail)
I mainly use my RIG for Audio recording, graphic design and bits & pieces of Video work. I have never really been into games that much, although I do have Crysis which I have found to be a very good method of testing hardware. Well, that's what I tell my wife and she actually believes me!! ;)
When I'm not trying to answer questions on the forum I do a bit of song writing and recording but, at the moment, I am what is euphemistically called "resting". I also enjoy photography and have found that having a decent PC really makes the use of programs such as Adobe Photoshop, so much quicker and enjoyable.
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Hi Soar,
from what you are saying you want the system to do and if I was building this rig for myself I would go for something like this: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/8GB-(4x2GB)-CorsairXMS3-DDR3-PC3-10666-(1333)-240-Pin-Non-ECC-Unbuffered-CAS-9-9-9-24 Sorry the link is for UK website but it will show you what I would get. Yes it is an 8 Gig kit but video recording/transcoding really benefit from the extra RAM and buying a matched kit like this in the beginning is the best way to go for stability. It isn't on the QVL but it is 1333 Mhz at 1.5V and I have found this to be pretty solid in other builds I have done.
If 8 Gig of RAM is not within your budget then I would go for this 4 Gig matched Pair: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/4GB-(2x2GB)-Corsair-XMS3-Classic-DDR3-PC3-10666-(1333)-Non-ECC-Unbuffered-CAS-9-9-9-24-150V. Once again it is a model that I have used before and I know will work on the AMD platform.
If you notice both sets of RAM I am pointing you towards use 1.5V, if you decide to look for another brand this is one of the main things to look at. The AMD boards tend to have the RAM Set at 1.5V by default and it is much better if you can just get components that will plug in and not cause you too much grief. Another thing is that I am opting for 1333 Mhz RAM, although it is not the 1600 Mhz that you were looking for originally, it is the highest speed that AMD Recommend for their AM3 CPU's and from the testing I have done, I do feel this is the safest route to take.
Ah, my own RIG consists of the following:
Chassis: NZXT Tempest Evo
Mobo: GA-790XTA-UD4 (BIOS F3)
CPU: AMD Phenom II x6 1090T BE 125W
Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 Air cooler
RAM: Corsair Dominator 2 x CMD4GX3M2B1600C8 (8 Gig) (downclocked to 1333 Mhz)
GPU: Sapphire Radeon ATI 4850x2 (1 Gig)
Monitors: 1 x LG L1715S & 2 x LG L194WT
Sound Card: M-Audio Delta 1010
HDD's: 2 x Hitachi Deskstar 1TB RAID 0 (OS Installed on this array), 2 X WD 640 Gig Caviar Black SATA3, 1 x Seagate 1TB
DVD/CD: Liteon
Mouse: Microsoft Intellimouse Optical USB
Keyboard: Microsoft Digital Media Pro
Musical MIDI Interface: M-Audio Axiom 49
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit (Retail)
I mainly use my RIG for Audio recording, graphic design and bits & pieces of Video work. I have never really been into games that much, although I do have Crysis which I have found to be a very good method of testing hardware. Well, that's what I tell my wife and she actually believes me!! ;)
When I'm not trying to answer questions on the forum I do a bit of song writing and recording but, at the moment, I am what is euphemistically called "resting". I also enjoy photography and have found that having a decent PC really makes the use of programs such as Adobe Photoshop, so much quicker and enjoyable.
Hey, thanks again for all the cool and up-to-date info Absic! You have an excellent system. Song writing and recording sound very exciting. I hope you can write and play a top ten single and then you can buy Gigabyte, AMD, and GSKILL, helping them all to do a much better job! Hehehehehehe!
Well, I missed a great deal today on the exact RAM you suggested! The CorsairXMS3-DDR3-PC3-10666-(1333) was on sale today [Labor Day here] for a great discount of $68 at Fry's. I wanted to go there and pick up this RAM as well as a AMD II x2 250 for very low price too, but I was too busy and was not able to break free to go.
Well, I am sure there will be lots more great deals in the future. The MB should arrive tomorrow so I am excited about that!
Have a wonderful day there and will touch bases with you soon.
Soar
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I hope you can write and play a top ten single and then you can buy Gigabyte, AMD, and GSKILL, helping them all to do a much better job!
If I could do that I wouldn't spend so much time helping people on this forum!! :'(
If you want to check out some of what I do and find out why I'm not a big star check out MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/robtunbridge
There's a few tracks and a couple of videos there. Sorry , but I don't provide earplugs!! :P
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Hey what's this? A bit of free advertising? ;)
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Yep! :D ::) :P
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Actually I had a listen to some of your songs(and I am sure I will be alright again after therapy ;)) They were pretty good. Not just a pretty face eh?
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according to many, not even a pretty face. :'(
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I hope you can write and play a top ten single and then you can buy Gigabyte, AMD, and GSKILL, helping them all to do a much better job!
If I could do that I wouldn't spend so much time helping people on this forum!! :'(
If you want to check out some of what I do and find out why I'm not a big star check out MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/robtunbridge
There's a few tracks and a couple of videos there. Sorry , but I don't provide earplugs!! :P
Rob, you have an excellent voice and lyrics. I am surprised I haven't heard more of you! I listened to Who You Are on MySpace and for me, that was an excellent work!
Keep up the great work and never, never give up!
Soar
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Yes I agree with Soar ;) I am just surprised that you haven't been "found" yet. Maybe you need to have your own website as well as using the MySpace platform. More publicity is the key I am sure. Keep it up mate 8)
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Yes I agree with Soar ;) I am just surprised that you haven't been "found" yet. Maybe you need to have your own website as well as using the MySpace platform. More publicity is the key I am sure. Keep it up mate 8)
Great idea DM! Perhaps a little more exposure to the general public would garnish a much larger following!
Keep up the great work Absic!
BTW, I received my GA 890XA-UD3 a couple of days ago. I am so excited to begin work on this new 6 core rig! Thanks again for your excellent advice. I know this rig will do well when I am done.
I did notice it is the version 1, so I am kinda happy about that too.
After carefully reading the QVL list I wanted to avoid the pain and frustration I experienced while building my new i5-750 rig. So I decided to go with the G.SKILL RAM they listed in the 1600Mhz category.
Here is what I purchased yesterday from New Egg: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBNQ
I chose this RAM because:
1. It is on the QVL list from Gigabyte for my specific MB
2. It is rated at 1.5 volts [I remembered Absic's advice about choosing a RAM that is 1.5volts].
To be 100% honest with you, I was also considering the ADATA RAM listed on the QVL. A-DATA Gaming Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model AX3U1600GB2G9-2G. It was about the same exact price as the G.SKIL I purchased.
Many AMD builders are using ADATA rather than G.SKIL. Not sure why, but many of the reviews are stating it is working well with Gigabyte boards.
Have you any suggestions for the CPU cooler? I was thinking about purchasing another Corsair H50, but now I read several people criticizing this cooler in various forums. I like it for a number of reasons:
1. Weight [much lighter than the massive air-coolers, thus less stress on the MB].
2. Price [when on sale ($59), it was just a tad more than some of the upper end coolers].
3. Effectiveness [I thought it was much more effective than most air-coolers but in reality, it is not] (see chart).
4. Maintenance [absolutely zero maintenance (unless you want to include the occasional blowing out of dust on the radiator)].
Overall, I am still very happy with it.
Regarding the push/pull with two fans, I chose to go with two Scythe "F" fans and all is good.
I do have a brand new, never before used CoolMaster Hype 212 Plus [I bought it thinking to use it in the i5-750 rig but changed my mind]. This CPU cooler has been receiving phenomenal reviews, was priced less than half the Corsair H50, and doesn't seem toooooooooooooooooooooooooo big to use. It too can run with the dual fan push/pull configuration.
Hyper 212 Plus won the 10/10 review from Maximum PC and on New Egg it is one of the hottest sellers.
Please share any good advice you may have about any good CPU cooler! I am open to anything!
Have a good day guys!
Soar
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Well the newer Corsair H70 has been getting some very good reviews, maybe this would be a good choice.
But to my mind you can't beat the Noctua range. I have the Noctua NH-D14 so I'm going to be in favour of this. Yes, it's big but, boy is it efficient & almost silent, however the H70 did seem to beat it in one review I read. http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=25823
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Well the newer Corsair H70 has been getting some very good reviews, maybe this would be a good choice.
But to my mind you can't beat the Noctua range. I have the Noctua NH-D14 so I'm going to be in favour of this. Yes, it's big but, boy is it efficient & almost silent, however the H70 did seem to beat it in one review I read. http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=25823
Thanks Absic! I will do my homework on both!
Keep up the awesome singing and playing!
Soar
EDIT: The Noctua NH-D14 is absolutely off the charts with the great specs and reviews. I've never seen a CPU cooler that big with so many excellent reviews and stats. It is a little too big for what I was looking for. The H70 also looks very promising Absic. Thanks for the insights and info!
I will keep my eyes open!
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hey Soar,
I think you may have mistyped that. Don't you mean awful? :D
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hey Soar,
I think you may have mistyped that. Don't you mean awful? :D
LOL! No, you really do have an excellent voice and I know you are doing quite well with hitting your keys and notes. Many people have the correct key and notes, but their voice is lacking in beauty and passion. Not you. You have it all : Keys/notes, beauty, and passion.
I just think you need a little more exposure. Have you tried singing at some local clubs yet? And do you have a band?
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I just think you need a little more exposure. Have you tried singing at some local clubs yet? And do you have a band?
Yes soar he's definitely been banned already ;D But please no more exposure :o :o :o
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Hi Rob Ive been following your suggestions here to soar and maybe I will have a go at this six core set up. By the way I had a look at your musicals skills on the web which you suggested to soar, and cant find any Andy Stewart tracks, but heyy brilliant guitar on (Strangers In The Night).. :)
Hi Soar are these two guys not the greatest
Dave
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Hi Rob Ive been following your suggestions here to soar and maybe I will have a go at this six core set up. By the way I had a look at your musicals skills on the web which you suggested to soar, and cant find any Andy Stewart tracks, but heyy brilliant guitar on (Strangers In The Night).. :)
Hi Soar are these two guys not the greatest
Dave
Dave, they are both excellent people to have as friends and I really like their sense of humor too. They keep the technical side of things funny and enjoyable. I wish there were more people like them!
Some of the other forums I often visit have excellent knowledge and understanding but sadly lack in kindness, clean humor, and fun. These two are rich in these areas as well as the technical knowledge and expertise. That's why I choose to hang out here now.
Dave, are you thinking of going with the 1055T or the 1090 or something comparable?
Have a good one!
Soar
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Well Soar..i had never been inside a computer case until i met these two guys...I built new about a month ago.....but now i have bought the new haf x full towr i want to build a six core.
I am on the dvd fab site forum as I am into dvd and bluray, and they seem to forget that we all started at the bottom . I have learned so much from absic and he has spent lots of his own time helping me. And ;D dont you beleive what they say about the scots.. I did offer him a free drink....Water ofcoarse...
Nice to chat to you
Dave
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Hey Dave,
that free drink you offered wasn't really free at all was it? I mean, you didn't offer to fly me up to Scotland so that I can get it. Typical Scotsman, make an offer that you know can't be accepted!!
If you're going for Hex core I'm moving to the back of beyond and disconnecting from the internet!!! :o
Only kidding. To be honest, I don't think there is any reason for you to change just yet. You can move your current rig into the HAF (nice tower by the way) and do what all Scotsmen do best, lock your sporran and keep your money firmly where it is. You would be better off spending your pennies, if that is what you want to do, on an SSD for your main system drive or on extra storage, you can never have enough disk space with video!
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Hi All - thanks for providing such swift and specific advice - it really helps!
I'm looking to build a new rig - I have only done this a couple times before ... and if you come at this after 3 years the whole dang tech has changed and you have to relearn it all! I have a noob question on memory. I've read the threads about being careful on the types/speeds. I was thinking of using the GA-890FXA-UD5 with a Phenom x6
Having scanned the QV memory sheets off the website, if I can't find *exactly* the same product codes at my stores (UK), does it make that much difference if I still pick, say, something that matches "DDR3 PC3-10666 (1333) Non-ECC Unbuffered, 1.50V"? I think I get that it should be the 1.5V versions as higher than that seems to cause issues, but for someone who isn't that familiar with the "best" manufacturers, or ones that are not listed in the QV sheet .. its a bit puzzling.
For example, earlier in this thread I saw http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/4GB-%282x2GB%29-Corsair-XMS3-Classic-DDR3-PC3-10666-%281333%29-Non-ECC-Unbuffered-CAS-9-9-9-24-150V as a suggested option. Looks good to me too, but that product code (TW3X4G1333C9A ) isn't in the MoBo accredited list (from http://www.gigabyte.com.au/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3519#memory%20support%20list) so... will it still be OK?
I'll not be OCing this system and stability is pretty much tops for me.
Thanks for any advice.
Mike
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Hi Mike,
you are quite right that getting hold of RAM from the QVL can be quite a task. The Corsair RAM available at Scan UK, in the link you provided, although not on the QVL will work OK and I have used it myself many times with the Phenom ii X4's and X6 CPU's without a problem and on many different Gigabyte AMD boards. I have also used it with AM3 CPU's without a problem, for anyone else who might be wondering. ;)
The principal of keeping RAM to 1333 MHz and 1.5V is a good one to follow and I believe that if you bear these parameters in mind, when buying your RAM, you shouldn't encounter too many problems.
Hope this helps
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Thanks for the response. OK, I'll go get the kit and build it out ... will report back..
Mike
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Look forward to hearing from you, hopefully of a successful build and no problems! :D
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Hi Rob...Yeh I always have one 80g hard drive for the O.S, but I read a few bad stories about SSD. Do you know of any good reports on any special make...coz this sporran gets heavy after picking up all the loose change the kids drop.
Dave
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Sorry Jannie,
I have to hold up my hands and admit to being ignorant when it comes to SSD's. :o
Dark Mantis or one of the other users will be in a better position to advise you on this subject.
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Sorry for the delay in replying I have just been to a firesale. ;)
Hi Jannie, I run a 256Gb Corsair Performance SSD as my boot drive. They are definitely the way forward but there is still a long way to go yet. The speed increase especially in the larger ones is terrific but so is the price. :'( On the smaller ones again the read speed is very fast but the write speed isn't as fast. The down side really is that you need one that will ustilise TRIM and GC for it to stay fast. Your controller must also be compatible to pass these commands onto the drive(TRIM). The best thing to do is google them and do some reading up. Any questions I will do my best to answer.
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One more important thing I just realised that I forgot to mention is data security. If you are using a magnetic disk drive and the controller goes belly up it is still possible to recover your data from the drive litterally bit by bit if necessary. This is not possible on a Solid State Drive. Once damaged you must consider all the data irrecoverable.
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One more important thing I just realised that I forgot to mention is data security. If you are using a magnetic disk drive and the controller goes belly up it is still possible to recover your data from the drive litterally bit by bit if necessary. This is not possible on a Solid State Drive. Once damaged you must consider all the data irrecoverable.
DM, thanks for the heads up on damage and irrecoverable data possibility when using SSD's. I've patiently waiting for prices to drop, and I am still waiting. After doing lots of reading, I kinda like the Intel 80GB SSD. Lots of good reports on that model. Have you had any experience with it and if yes, care to share your thoughts?
Soar
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Hi Soar. The knowledge I have on the Intel offering is second hand I am afraid but I have only heard good things about them. They are the fastest (at the moment) on the market and have all the necessary extras ie TRIM, GC. The only problem is they are also the most expensive I think :'(
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I have to be honest and say, if I were in a position to dip my toe into SSD's the Intel 80 Gb would be the one I would go for. The reviews and other info I have gathered would suggest that, although it isn't the cheapest option, it is one of the better drives to buy.
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I have to be honest and say, if I were in a position to dip my toe into SSD's the Intel 80 Gb would be the one I would go for. The reviews and other info I have gathered would suggest that, although it isn't the cheapest option, it is one of the better drives to buy.
Thanks for the heads up. It is still hovering around $200 here in the USA. I am hoping it will drop lower soon.
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They are starting to become more mainstream every day so the trend of price decreases has got to be ongoing. They are also much cheaper to build that magnetic drives so they should drop considerably. Imagine your machine with a dozen SSDs in....silent heaven and cool 8) 8) 8)
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Well the newer Corsair H70 has been getting some very good reviews, maybe this would be a good choice.
But to my mind you can't beat the Noctua range. I have the Noctua NH-D14 so I'm going to be in favour of this. Yes, it's big but, boy is it efficient & almost silent, however the H70 did seem to beat it in one review I read. http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=25823
New Corsair H70 is excellent
Idle at 42 with stock cooler
Idle at 31 with H70
Max Load 60 - 61 with stock cooler
Max load 43 - 45 with H70 AMD Quad Core Phenom 9850 BE
Stressed wioth AMD Overdrive
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I have to be honest and say, if I were in a position to dip my toe into SSD's the Intel 80 Gb would be the one I would go for. The reviews and other info I have gathered would suggest that, although it isn't the cheapest option, it is one of the better drives to buy.
The only downside to buying in at the bottom end of the market size wise is that the write speeds suffer tremendously. Between the 80Gb and the 256Gb there is roughly a tripling of speed for the writes. The reads don't alter much at all across the range.
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They are starting to become more mainstream every day so the trend of price decreases has got to be ongoing. They are also much cheaper to build that magnetic drives so they should drop considerably. Imagine your machine with a dozen SSDs in....silent heaven and cool 8) 8) 8)
Yes, and that will so nice! I can't wait until it happens! Anyone have a time machine that I can borrow for a few hours?
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Well the newer Corsair H70 has been getting some very good reviews, maybe this would be a good choice.
But to my mind you can't beat the Noctua range. I have the Noctua NH-D14 so I'm going to be in favour of this. Yes, it's big but, boy is it efficient & almost silent, however the H70 did seem to beat it in one review I read. http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=25823
New Corsair H70 is excellent
Idle at 42 with stock cooler
Idle at 31 with H70
Max Load 60 - 61 with stock cooler
Max load 43 - 45 with H70 AMD Quad Core Phenom 9850 BE
Stressed wioth AMD Overdrive
Ace, I did check the H70 out online and you are right, it appears to be an awesome set up. I'm still kickin' it around in my mind...the cost is still a little high for me....
Soar
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I have to be honest and say, if I were in a position to dip my toe into SSD's the Intel 80 Gb would be the one I would go for. The reviews and other info I have gathered would suggest that, although it isn't the cheapest option, it is one of the better drives to buy.
The only downside to buying in at the bottom end of the market size wise is that the write speeds suffer tremendously. Between the 80Gb and the 256Gb there is roughly a tripling of speed for the writes. The reads don't alter much at all across the range.
DM, I did not realize the larger the storage, the faster the drive. Wow, that is a new idea to me.
256GB is way out of my price range for now, but hopefully in the future.
Soar
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To be honest, Soar even the smaller drives are still a lot faster to use than conventional maghnetic drives and they also have the benefits of being quiet and heat free.
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To be honest, Soar even the smaller drives are still a lot faster to use than conventional maghnetic drives and they also have the benefits of being quiet and heat free.
Yes, I totally agree with you DM, but the price is still a little too high for me at this point in time. I'll be waiting until there is a substantial drop in SSD prices. Hopefully it will happen sooner rather than later.
I prefer the Intel 80gb. I like the quality of the Intel SSD's and anything less than 80GB would create what I could call unnecessary self-induced stress on my brain [I fear my OS + programs + file page, etc. would max out the SSD and cause me great problems if I use a smaller size SSD].
So, all things considered, I am presently in the uncomfortable classrooms called "Patience" [Webster's def: calm, uncomplaining, endurance] and "Frugality" [Webster's def: the practice of acquiring goods and services in a restrained manner, and resourcefully using already owned economic goods and services; practicing or marked by economy, as in the expenditure of money or the use of material resources].
It is an uncomfortable classroom, especially if you dream of having SSD speed! The good news is that once I pass the test I'll have greater patience, more frugality, more money, and a nice SSD!
Soar
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So basically, what you are saying Soar is:
That you're broke, you're wife won't let you get one and if you complain any more she'll show what REAL moaning is all about!! :D
Join the club pal. :'(
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It is an uncomfortable classroom, especially if you dream of having SSD speed! The good news is that once I pass the test I'll have greater patience, more frugality, more money, and a nice SSD!
And then your worries with the SSD start instead, like is is getting the TRIM command transferred from the controller and is the Garbage Collection working properly. ???
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So basically, what you are saying Soar is:
That you're broke, you're wife won't let you get one and if you complain any more she'll show what REAL moaning is all about!! :D
Join the club pal. :'(
Absic, I just realized that you are not only a great musician, but also a great Sherlock Holmes Detective that reads well between the lines....darn, and I thought I had everyone fooled!
Soar
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It is an uncomfortable classroom, especially if you dream of having SSD speed! The good news is that once I pass the test I'll have greater patience, more frugality, more money, and a nice SSD!
And then your worries with the SSD start instead, like is is getting the TRIM command transferred from the controller and is the Garbage Collection working properly. ???
DM,
Yes, the more the toys, the more the worries! But between you and Absic, I know I'll be able to set it up right and everything will work just fine. I just hope both of you are around 50 years from now [at the rate the SSD's are dropping in price, I will need to wait at least 50 more years before my wife permits to me splurge on an SSD]!
Soar
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Absic, I just realized that you are not only a great musician, but also a great Sherlock Holmes Detective that reads well between the lines....darn, and I thought I had everyone fooled!
Well it has been said:
You can fool some of the people all of the time or, all of the people some of the time. But you can't fool all of the people all of the time!
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Oh! It 's getting worse. Delusions of grandeur now ...He thinks he's Abe Lincoln! ::)
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No, just showing that I'm not really as stupid as some people think I am. ::)
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No, I'm under no illusions at all ;D Just keep taking the tablets.
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Absic, I just realized that you are not only a great musician, but also a great Sherlock Holmes Detective that reads well between the lines....darn, and I thought I had everyone fooled!
Well it has been said:
You can fool some of the people all of the time or, all of the people some of the time. But you can't fool all of the people all of the time!
Nice quote Absic, but we know you are not foolin' us when it comes to AMD processors and Gigabyte motherboards. Thanks again for all your help!
I wanted to ask a few more questions before I begin this new AMD build. Please give me some good advice.
1. What specific order would you follow in the build [example: 1. Put all hardware together. 2. Install OS. 3. Update BIOS 4. Install Gigabyte drivers. 5. Install programs].
2. Which Gigabyte software/utilities do you recommend installing/not installing?
[Xpress Recovery 2, BIOS update utilities, Easy Tune 6, Easy Energy Saver, Q-Share, Smart Recovery, etc.]
Special Note: There have been times when Easy Tune 6 worked great for me, whereas at other times with certain MB's it created terrible instability issues. Have these issues been addressed by Gigabyte or is it still hit and miss?
Finally, have you any other advice for me before I begin putting everything together?
It's me,
Soar
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Hi Soar
I noticed that absic wasn't here at the moment so it safe for me to come on this part of the forum ;)
1) I would let him answer this as it may be that he has his own particular views on it. But from my point of view I would build the hardware, load drivers, install OS, and then update the BIOS via QFlash. After that you can install all the programs you want to. When you are installing the drivers though only install the ones that you need, not all of them.
2) Personally I wouldn't bother installing any of the free programs. I always think they do more harm than good most of the time and just because they are bundled doesn't mean they work well.
Other advice....Yes be carefull!
As I said earlier I would wait and see what absic suggests but on my side of the forum this is what I would do. They might let him out of the secure ward soon ;D
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Boy, did I have a problem getting out of that strait Jacket this morning but, it's OK now, I've escaped! :D
DM, I didn't realise that you were so clever. :P
How can you install drivers before you install the OS? ???
Is this a new trick or can you only do this on the Intel platform? ::)
Hi Soar, now comes the exciting part, putting all the components together. ;)
There are a few steps to undertake BEFORE actually putting anything together and these are:
Throw the motherboard disk away. OK, I'm speaking metaphorically here but, put it to one side and don't be tempted to use it.
Go to the downloads page for your motherboard ( which if I have remembered correctly is the GA-890XA-UD3 Rev. 1.0 the download page is here: http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3376&dl=1#dl ) and download the drivers for your OS. If you are going to install your OS on a Hard drive in Native IDE mode (which I would strongly recommend in your case) you don't need to download the SATA RAID drivers. You will need to download: AUDIO, CHIPSET, LAN & USB 3.0 drivers.
Whilst you are at the Gigabyte download page also download the latest BIOS F6A as you may need this sooner than you think. Once you have downloaded everything extract the BIOS Update files and load them onto a USB Drive. Check out the How to Update BIOS FAQ here: http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,2441.0.html if you are not sure about using the QFlash utility. You may not need to do this but it is always better to be safe rather than sorry but DON'T go any further than loading the files onto the USB stick. You might need to Flash BIOS if your CPU isn't recognised by the Motherboard when you put everything together.
Depending on your choice of Graphics Card I would also recommend that you download the latest drivers for that from the relevant website, rather than using the ones on the Install Disk.
Once you have done that you can start your build. As Dark Mantis has said be careful. Also, remember to install a motherboard speaker, so that you can hear any POST Beeps. If you have a problem, this is the quickest and easiest way of tracing them.
Hopefully, once you have put all the parts together you will be able to start up without a problem, however, if the PC starts and you get a message saying that the CPU is not recognised then you will need to flash BIOS using the QFlash utility. (Hence the reason for going through the first steps I mentioned.) If the PC does BOOT OK, I would still suggest that you Update your BIOS at this stage using the QFlash utility, remembering to load Optimized Defaults once you have done so.
Install the Operating System
Once you have loaded the Operating System and are at the desktop for the first time you can start to load the drivers you need. I have found the quickest & easiest way is to copy the files you download from the Gigabyte Website on to the Desktop first. There is no hard and fast order for installing the motherboard drivers but I tend to go:
Chipset - REBOOT PC
AUDIO - REBOOT PC
LAN - REBOOT PC
USB 3.0 - REBOOT PC
GRAPHIC CARD DRIVERS - REBOOT PC (If you are installing an ATI card I would recommend that you do a custom install and load the Catalyst Control Centre, Graphic Card Drivers and HDMI Audio drivers only).
It is not essential that you REBOOT the PC after you install each driver but I have found this to be the most reliable method and it is less likely to cause you grief, although it will take a bit longer to do.
After you have installed the drivers then you can do your updates for the OS and install your software.
If you are considering overclocking the PC then I would suggest you download AMD Overdrive ( http://game.amd.com/it-it/drivers_overdrive.aspx ) which is a very good utility for getting the best out of an AMD System. However I much prefer to make overclock changes in BIOS as they are active from the moment you switch on the PC rather than once the OS has loaded.
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DM, I didn't realise that you were so clever.
Ah, the truth will out as they say! I see you picked up my deliberate mistake then. I was just checking that you were awake. ;D
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Boy, did I have a problem getting out of that strait Jacket this morning but, it's OK now, I've escaped! :D
DM, I didn't realise that you were so clever. :P
How can you install drivers before you install the OS? ???
Is this a new trick or can you only do this on the Intel platform? ::)
Hi Soar, now comes the exciting part, putting all the components together. ;)
There are a few steps to undertake BEFORE actually putting anything together and these are:
Throw the motherboard disk away. OK, I'm speaking metaphorically here but, put it to one side and don't be tempted to use it.
Go to the downloads page for your motherboard ( which if I have remembered correctly is the GA-890XA-UD3 Rev. 1.0 the download page is here: http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3376&dl=1#dl ) and download the drivers for your OS. If you are going to install your OS on a Hard drive in Native IDE mode (which I would strongly recommend in your case) you don't need to download the SATA RAID drivers. You will need to download: AUDIO, CHIPSET, LAN & USB 3.0 drivers.
Whilst you are at the Gigabyte download page also download the latest BIOS F6A as you may need this sooner than you think. Once you have downloaded everything extract the BIOS Update files and load them onto a USB Drive. Check out the How to Update BIOS FAQ here: http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,2441.0.html if you are not sure about using the QFlash utility. You may not need to do this but it is always better to be safe rather than sorry but DON'T go any further than loading the files onto the USB stick. You might need to Flash BIOS if your CPU isn't recognised by the Motherboard when you put everything together.
Depending on your choice of Graphics Card I would also recommend that you download the latest drivers for that from the relevant website, rather than using the ones on the Install Disk.
Once you have done that you can start your build. As Dark Mantis has said be careful. Also, remember to install a motherboard speaker, so that you can hear any POST Beeps. If you have a problem, this is the quickest and easiest way of tracing them.
Hopefully, once you have put all the parts together you will be able to start up without a problem, however, if the PC starts and you get a message saying that the CPU is not recognised then you will need to flash BIOS using the QFlash utility. (Hence the reason for going through the first steps I mentioned.) If the PC does BOOT OK, I would still suggest that you Update your BIOS at this stage using the QFlash utility, remembering to load Optimized Defaults once you have done so.
Install the Operating System
Once you have loaded the Operating System and are at the desktop for the first time you can start to load the drivers you need. I have found the quickest & easiest way is to copy the files you download from the Gigabyte Website on to the Desktop first. There is no hard and fast order for installing the motherboard drivers but I tend to go:
Chipset - REBOOT PC
AUDIO - REBOOT PC
LAN - REBOOT PC
USB 3.0 - REBOOT PC
GRAPHIC CARD DRIVERS - REBOOT PC (If you are installing an ATI card I would recommend that you do a custom install and load the Catalyst Control Centre, Graphic Card Drivers and HDMI Audio drivers only).
It is not essential that you REBOOT the PC after you install each driver but I have found this to be the most reliable method and it is less likely to cause you grief, although it will take a bit longer to do.
After you have installed the drivers then you can do your updates for the OS and install your software.
If you are considering overclocking the PC then I would suggest you download AMD Overdrive ( http://game.amd.com/it-it/drivers_overdrive.aspx ) which is a very good utility for getting the best out of an AMD System. However I much prefer to make overclock changes in BIOS as they are active from the moment you switch on the PC rather than once the OS has loaded.
Absic,
After reading all the steps to build this AMD system right, I lost my mind, started screaming and drooling, and the guys with the white suits came and put me in a straight jacket too. I am using a voice recognition speech program to type right now...The shrink said that if I behave and go back to Intel, they will let me out...I told him no way, AMD is the way to go now. He disagreed and told me I will be in this white padded cell for a long, long time. I think he is a friend of Dark Mantis.
Anyway...
Thanks for all the good info. I probably would have made a total mess of the system without such detailed and systematic steps to follow. I appreciate all of you here...thanks again for making this an exciting and successful adventure.
I just noticed a new AMD processor on sale at my local computer super store...the price seems fairly good too. Can you share any thoughts on this new AMD processor? Or maybe it is not new? I cannot find it anywhere other than Fry's Electronics...
Anyway, this is the name of it: AMD Phenom™ II X6 1075T HDT75TFBGRBOX - Socket AM3.
Here's some of the specs:
True Multi-Core Technology
Processor: AMD Phenom™ II X6
Model: Black Edition 1075T - HDT75TFBGRBOX
Core Speed (MHz): 3000
Wattage: 125 W
L3 Cache: 9MB
CMOS: 45nm SOI
Socket: AM3
Warranty: 3 YR
I am still trying to discover the differences between the 1090T, the 1075T, and the 1055T. If I have read things correctly, many people are saying the 1090T is more comparable to Intel's i7, whereas the 1055T is more comparable to Intel's i5 . I am presently trying to discover where this 1075T fits in. The 1075 appears to have more L3 cache [9mb] than both the 1090T and the 1055T.
I will begin the new build next week. I have lots of work this week, then a wonderful two week break. So I will use the free time to continue on this wild adventure and hopefully finish this new build then.
Have a wonderful day Absic!
Soar
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Hi Soar,
not sure where you got your info regarding the 1075T but my understanding is that, it is almost the same specs as the 1090T only running 200 MHz slower. and according to AMD the Cache on all the X6 CPU's is the same.
As the 1075T isn't available in the UK yet there is very little to go on. It seems as if AMD have released this CPU along with the 1035 to expand the range of hex cores available. The 1075T looks, on the face of it, to be a very good option. Although it runs slightly slower at stock than the 1090, it also has the unlocked multiplier, making it a Black Edition processor. What does that mean? Well, it means that overclocking is much easier than it is if you are using a CPU with a locked multiplier.
Another problem, just at the moment, is that I'm not sure Gigabyte have updated the BIOS for this CPU to be recognised. A quick check for your Mobo shows that it isn't supported yet and the same goes for several others I have looked at.
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UPDATE:
It seems my initial statement that the 1075T was going to be a Black Edition, with the unlocked multiplier was a little premature. It seems as if it will be a Locked CPU like the 1055T.
For more info check here: http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=25945
This product along with the 1035T & 1045T are still not being shown on the AMD website, so proper information is a little vague at the moment.
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Hi Soar,
not sure where you got your info regarding the 1075T but my understanding is that, it is almost the same specs as the 1090T only running 200 MHz slower. and according to AMD the Cache on all the X6 CPU's is the same.
As the 1075T isn't available in the UK yet there is very little to go on. It seems as if AMD have released this CPU along with the 1035 to expand the range of hex cores available. The 1075T looks, on the face of it, to be a very good option. Although it runs slightly slower at stock than the 1090, it also has the unlocked multiplier, making it a Black Edition processor. What does that mean? Well, it means that overclocking is much easier than it is if you are using a CPU with a locked multiplier.
Another problem, just at the moment, is that I'm not sure Gigabyte have updated the BIOS for this CPU to be recognised. A quick check for your Mobo shows that it isn't supported yet and the same goes for several others I have looked at.
Absic, thanks again for the info update. I suppose I will be happy with the 1055T for now. I did obtain it for a much better price than what the 1075T and the 1090T [I paid about $95 for the 1055T vs. the $179-$229 for the 1075T and $295 for the 1090T]. Now I wish I had purchased several more of the 1055T's at that price.
Fry's is the company offering the 1075T here and the specs of 9mb L3 cache. http://www.frys.com/product/6355541
Right next to the 1075T they are offering this Gigabyte MB: Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD5 890FX AM3 Motherboard
It too is substantially more expensive http://www.frys.com/product/6234170
I am not sure if that MB supports the 1075T but it makes sense that it would.
I read somewhere that the 1090T and the 1075T both have the unlocked multipliers whereas the 1055T does not. Not to worry, I've never been much of an overclocker and I am happy with the 1055T...esp. at the price I paid.
If Fry's drops the price to under $125 for the 1075T, then I can always sell the 1055T + MB, make some extra cash, and go for the 1075T. I very much doubt Fry's will drop it that low now. They stopped giving the super low price deals on the CPU/MB combo's about 6 weeks ago and have not given the super deals since. They offered outrageous deals on combos for some years. Not anymore... I think everyone is tightening their belt due to the economic pressures.
I am looking forward with excitement to building this new 1055T system Absic.
Have a wonderful day there!
Soar
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Hi Soar,
Just checked for BIOS support on the GA-890FXA-UD5 and at the moment it shows support for the1035T but not the 1075T, go figure.
Not sure why Fry's are saying it has a 9Mb Cache as all the information I have read shows it is the same die as all of the other Hex Cores and only 6Mb cache. It could be because these CPU's are so new there is a lack of real information available.
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Hi Soar,
Just checked for BIOS support on the GA-890FXA-UD5 and at the moment it shows support for the1035T but not the 1075T, go figure.
Not sure why Fry's are saying it has a 9Mb Cache as all the information I have read shows it is the same die as all of the other Hex Cores and only 6Mb cache. It could be because these CPU's are so new there is a lack of real information available.
Absic, yes, that sounds correct. Perhaps in all the excitement and rush of releasing a new CPU, people became overly excited and not all the info is correct. Now I am even more happy I have the 1055T. I suppose it is best to wait until the dust clears and by then, most of the misinformation will have been debunked.
Here are what people are saying about AMD's newest releases in the USA:
Saturday Sep 18, 2010
A few days left before AMD officially announces new refresh of Athlon II and Phenom II microprocessor line-ups. In this refresh AMD is going to introduce new dual-, triple- and quad-core Athlon II CPUs with model numbers 265, 450 and 645, and three Phenom II microprocessors - dual-core 560, quad-core 970, and six-core 1075T. Two Phenom IIs, X2 560 and X4 970, will be sold as Black Edition versions, that is they can be overclocked above rated frequency by increasing clock multiplier in BIOS. The most interesting models in this refresh are Phenom II X4 970, the fastest clocked AMD microprocessor to date, and Phenom II X6 1075T, which fills a gap between 2.8 GHz 1055T model, priced around $200, and 3.2 GHz 1090T model, priced close to $300.
Many forthcoming models were on pre-order in online stores as early as August. While some new models are still on pre-order, like Athlon II X2 265 and Phenom II X4 970, other processors can be bought online or in brick and mortar stores.
Compliments of http://www.cpu-world.com/news
Soar