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Title: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 23, 2009, 11:14:07 pm
Hi,

Just bought my new pc, it has this motherboard with a Q6600 processor.

I want to take the processor to 3ghz but its been a while since ive done any oc'ing.

Can someone advice me how to do this? should i use easytune or bios?

Also, i couldnt find an SLi brige in the box for the mobo, am i to assume that this board doesnt require one?

Thanks in advance

Dave.
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: chupo on May 24, 2009, 09:17:22 am
When OCing you just raise bus speed to 333 MHz reduce memory multiplier depending on which memory you have, and set voltages on normal (my E6320 ran 3.72GHz on this board with stock voltage). It should work that way.

This motherboar doesn't support SLi, because P45 doesn't support it.
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 24, 2009, 10:07:23 am
Hi, this is my spec, could you advise further? thanks

memory 4 x

 Memory slot
Installed Enabled Size 2.00 GB 
Form Factor DIMM
Frequency 800.0 MHz 
Slot A0 [Bank0/1]
Manufacturer 
Type 
Type Details - 
Enabled Size 2.00 GB 
Total Bit Width 64 b
Data Bit Width 64 b
 
So there is NO way it will ever run SLI on this motherboard? the guy who built it has assured me it will.

Thanks

David
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: chupo on May 24, 2009, 10:26:54 am
So you simply set the FSB to 333 MHz and memory multiplier to 2.40B (if it is not B then use the one for the 333MHz FSB) and it will run smoothly.

P45 only supports crossfire, no SLi. Only Intel chipset that supports SLi is X58 which is unfortunately only for i7.
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 24, 2009, 10:30:46 am
So he's basically lied to me.

Not happy at all about that!

I'll hold off oc'ing for now as i'll want to return this pc.

Thanks for your help mate, appreciate it :D
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 24, 2009, 03:02:39 pm
ok so im keeping it for now.

so chupo, for me to up the cpu to 3ghz are these the only amendments i need to make? fsb and memory multiplier?
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: chupo on May 24, 2009, 04:03:20 pm
Most likely yes, if it doesn't work set voltage to "auto", and it should work right.
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: Badbonji on May 24, 2009, 07:45:30 pm
If you ever want sli you will need a dual gpu card for that motherboard (2 gpu's, one card).

CPU voltage, I wouldn't leave auto but try 1.36V that should be plenty. It is a G0 stepping? Get cpu-z and check that, if the multiplier in it says 6x and about 1.6Ghz clockspeed, just ignore that it is just intel speedstep to save power, it will run 2.4Ghz stock once loaded, same will go for 3Ghz.
I would run prime95 or OCCT for about 1 hour to test stability minimum, 4 hours or more is generally better and will tell you if it is really stable. So try that and post back, if it doesn't work don't worry there are plenty of things which can help.
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 24, 2009, 10:29:33 pm
thanks, i have to admit i had a quick look and didnt feel confident doing it myself.

the last computer i clocked i had step by step instructions.

Is there anywhere on the net i can get them in this instance?

thanks

Dave
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 24, 2009, 11:05:08 pm
Think I did it. Changed all as advised. The voltage increase, is it the vcore? That the one I upped, it boots and runs on 3d mark vantage.

How do I monitor temps and test for stability?

Thanks
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 24, 2009, 11:37:48 pm
Ok did a quick test on occt and under load the temp hit 71c so I ended the tests as I think it would have kept going. Do I lower volts slowly?
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: chupo on May 25, 2009, 06:45:12 am
Lower the voltage until it crashes in the test, then return it to the last stable one and that's it.
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 25, 2009, 08:37:42 am
What temp is acceptable under full load?

I don't want to fry it.
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 25, 2009, 09:18:31 am
Increased voltage slightly and re ran tests for 10 minutes on OCCT.

Ran with no errors and temps peaked at 70c on core 1, 69c on core 2, 66c on core 3 and 67c on core 4.

Idle temp 40 40 34 39

This acceptable?

I dont imagine many instances when all 4 cores will be under 100% load?
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: chupo on May 25, 2009, 12:12:56 pm
Lower the voltage instead of increasing it, and then try the stability tests.

PS. Everything under 70 degrees is fine.
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 25, 2009, 12:41:40 pm
ok had to up it again as on the 2nd test had an error in core 2.

managed to clock it this time but it settles at about 72c in core 1 max.

under full load will that be ok? ive added a 4th fan.

Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: chupo on May 25, 2009, 12:44:04 pm
You will rarely use your system to the max, so most likely you will not encounter those temps. Which cooler are you using, and have you checked thermal paste?
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: Elemental_Dragon on May 25, 2009, 02:27:16 pm
First, turn off everything to do with energy saving (EI1, Thermal control etc)

333x9, set divider to match your RAM (Whether it be 800 or 1066), increase RAM voltage just a wee bit and set CPU V-core to 1.3678 (I think that numbers right) and leave everything else on Auto.

70c is too high. Max load temp you want to see is ~65c. Check your cooler is fitted correctly because I normally have Q6600/6700's running ~45-50c max with an Akasa 965 cooler (awesome cooler by the way if you can get 1, better than the Arctic freezer and it's quiet for ~£15)

The board as others have said, won't ever do SLI, sorry. But it's an awesome board. I use it in alot of my builds and always overclock on it. Even it's little brother is a monster! Got a Q6700 on air @ 3.6Ghz rock solid on the EP43-S3L last week :D

~Bex
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 25, 2009, 04:42:10 pm
Its the stock cooler i have at the minute on there.
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 25, 2009, 04:49:41 pm
Just turned off all stuff you advised and set cpu fan to lock on full rpm
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 25, 2009, 05:17:37 pm
Ok I still can't bring the temps down. I will get a new cooler I think.

Just done a mem test and it froze so I've upped the voltage from stock one notch on ram and will try again.
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: Badbonji on May 25, 2009, 06:21:21 pm
Use the ram voltage it is rated for, ram doesn't use much power or produce alot of heat anyway.
Try buying an aftermarket cooler, even something like an arctic cooler 7 or something, it kept my Q9450 at around 50C under load with 20C ambient.

What is the FSB, Northbridge and Southbridge voltages? Could adjust them, as the northbridge can get very hot!
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 25, 2009, 10:55:17 pm
just ordered Akasa AK-965 Intel LGA 775 Heatpipe Cooler.

just been playing WAR online for past 3 hours and temp never got higher than 60 so thats not too bad until i get the cooler.
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: Badbonji on May 26, 2009, 09:39:38 am
Not bad at all, 60C is fine. Processors were really designed to run on high load 24/7, so they can take temperatures up to 70C for most 775's and 80C for core i7's, as more damage is done when they constantly change temperature from cooling down after turning off the pc and turning back on, as they expand and contract.
I think I used the akasa 965 cooler at GOOC, and it handled the core i7 quite well also. I gave it to my friend, who is cooling a E8400 at 3.6Ghz with it.
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 26, 2009, 10:53:58 am
Cool, well that will come tomorrow.

never fitted one before, is it difficult?

Also, is there any programs i can use to test my ram stabilitY?
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: Elemental_Dragon on May 26, 2009, 11:59:39 am
Akasa 965's are a bogs dollocks ;)

Far better than the AC7 in my opinion! Fit's just like the standard Intel cooler. Make sure you place it so the fan faces the RAM (this way it pulls col air in and gets pulled out the back and out again by your rear case fan - I can post a picture if you don't understand)

Best thing for testing your OC and it's stability? Prime95, CPUz and Core temp. Run CPUZ to check the OC and v-core (remember, all motherboards suffer from a thing called "v-droop" and it varies from mobo to mobo), if the speed is jumping up and down then there's still energy saving going on, so you must turn it off.

Then run Core Temp to check core temperatures (duh) and check CPU load.

And then last but not least, run Prime95 stress test "Blend". This will test your RAM, mobo and CPU stability. Once it's started running you'll see your CPU load reach 100% on all cores. The test will continue until BSOD, frozen, core failure or until you tell it to stop.
- BSOD depends, it can be RAM or CPU stability. Usually adding a little voltage to each helps.
- Core failure usually means the CPU needs more v-core, but it can sometimes be NB as well.
- Frozen is usually NB needing more voltage.

If no errors appear within ~6-8hrs your OC is generally classed as 99.9% stable. Although, a lot of PC's can run fine and fail this test. It's just 1 of those things I guess. Depends how solid you want it.

~Bex
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 26, 2009, 03:30:14 pm
Cool thanks.

I ran mem test and all seems ok.

Just been playing crysis for the past couple of hours and the temp peaked at 59 which im happy about.

Also managed an average of 30-40fps on very high with no AA :D :D
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: Elemental_Dragon on May 26, 2009, 03:50:47 pm
Gratz dude!

~Bex
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 26, 2009, 07:21:47 pm
Thanks :D

could you post some pics of your cooler seated?

is it possible i may damage the cpu removing the old cooler?

Dave
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: Elemental_Dragon on May 26, 2009, 09:54:25 pm
Ok not actually 1 of mine but still....

http://media.photobucket.com/image/correct%20mount%20arctic%20freezer%20pro/jasonstr/DSCF0140_edited.jpg

And no, unlikely. Just turn the push pins 90 degrees anti-clockwise and then pull them and they should pop out. Clean the old thermal compound off the CPU and mount the new cpu cooler. Push the pins in diagnols... (don't do both the same side each time)

~Bex
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 26, 2009, 11:08:18 pm
wow thats a big un lol
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 27, 2009, 08:03:05 pm
they didnt have the Akasa in so i got this instead

http://www.thermaltake.com/product/Cooler/Retail/CL-P0310-01/cl-p0310-01.asp

£10 more expensive but will get the Akasa also.

how long does thermal paste take to set?

Right now its 56c under full load so thats a huge drop from 72c and im happy with that.

May try for 3.4ghz
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 29, 2009, 10:29:24 am
For me to try 3.4ghz can I leave everything as is and just up the cpu voltage?
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: Elemental_Dragon on May 29, 2009, 12:18:31 pm
Thermaltake Typhoon used to be pretty good. For value though, I will always prefer the Akasa.

3.4Ghz you need to change the muilti again + FSB again.

To Be honest, best bets are 333x9/10 (3Ghz/3.3Ghz) or 400x8/9 (3.2Ghz/3.6Ghz). You might not need to increase the voltage, but then again you might. Try it without and if needed, then increase the voltage. Just make sure you set the memory divider accordingly with your RAM.

~Bex
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 29, 2009, 08:46:57 pm
do i set the system memory multiplier to 2.00 or 2.60?
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: Elemental_Dragon on May 29, 2009, 09:00:50 pm
Which ever suits your RAM best

~Bex
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 29, 2009, 09:09:03 pm
ive set it at 2.0

thing is, windows says my cpu is 3.6, real temp says 3.2 and 3d mark says 3.2 with clock max of 3.6???

confused.
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: Elemental_Dragon on May 29, 2009, 11:56:17 pm
What does CPUZ say? CPUZ is the real 1.

~Bex
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 30, 2009, 08:13:30 am
I thinkl it was unstable as it kept crashing.

Also I can't set it to x 10 on the cpu? 9 is the max.

Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: oggmonster on May 30, 2009, 01:02:52 pm
Did the EP43-DS3 have fsb problems @ 400? I may be compleatly wrong and thinking of another motherboard though.

 I have a G0 Q6600 on my P5K deluxe I have the FSB at 400. The multi at 9x.(giving 3.6GHZ) CPU voltage at 1.425v and voltage damper enabled. I have 2x2GB PC6400 memory (800mhz). I left memory settings alone (which means memory is running in a 1:1 ratio with the fsb). Temps did not go over 65oc even after running prime95 for over 24hours. Though am using Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme - 120mm Yateloon
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: Elemental_Dragon on May 30, 2009, 01:23:21 pm
I didn't have problems running it at 400. And yeah, some CPU's only go up to 9, some 8. I wasn't sure. Just an example of what you could do that's all.

As I say, you may need to raise or tweak some voltages, make sure the dividers are correct (so if you have 800mhz they divide to 800mhz etc).

Wish I'd that boar din front of me still, then I could be of more help :(

~Bex
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 30, 2009, 05:38:12 pm
Can you explain about Ram settings for me?

I think this is what scuppers me as i dont know about it.

my ram is 800mhz
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: oggmonster on May 30, 2009, 05:54:00 pm
Like Bex said is kinda hard not having the board infront of you so is somewhat difficult to suggest things. Are you keeping your FSB at 400mhz? And are you keeping your RAM at its factory default speed?

If the FSB is at 400mhz then that will mean you are running a 1:1 ratio with your ram as 800mhz ddr2 is actually 400mhz (Double Data Rate)

On my motherboard I did not play with any of the ram settings. Just the FSB, the multi, CPU volts, CPU dampener (Also disabled speedstep etc etc whilst i was making sure of system stability, then renabled when i was happy with everything)
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 30, 2009, 06:35:22 pm
just stress testing 3.2 now.

3.6 it either wont boot or get blue screen of death at the minute
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: oggmonster on May 30, 2009, 06:43:55 pm
What settings are you using? Let us know how it goes!  :)
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: chupo on May 30, 2009, 07:23:17 pm
just stress testing 3.2 now.

3.6 it either wont boot or get blue screen of death at the minute

Raise the voltages....
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 30, 2009, 09:46:11 pm
ok i got 3.2 stable but whenever i ran, say a vid in youtube, the display would cut off as though it had been unplugged but the computer still ran???

ive put it back to 3.00 for now
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: chupo on May 31, 2009, 03:41:10 pm
Have you OC'ed your video card?
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: djdime on May 31, 2009, 07:16:23 pm
no its standard.

its weird because 3.2 would pass all cpu and mem stress tests.
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: Elemental_Dragon on May 31, 2009, 10:09:51 pm
just stress testing 3.2 now.

3.6 it either wont boot or get blue screen of death at the minute

Needs more CPU Voltage

~Bex
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: oggmonster on May 31, 2009, 11:40:10 pm
Yeah try raising cpu volts. Keep an eye on your cpu temp though as raising volts increases temps.
Title: Re: EP43-DS3 overclocking and SLi
Post by: relax on June 13, 2009, 05:49:43 pm
Just turned off all stuff you advised and set cpu fan to lock on full rpm