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Questions about GIGABYTE products => Motherboards with AMD processors => Topic started by: babdi on September 07, 2010, 07:21:15 am
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Usage
Gaming,Video editing HD
I am planning to switch to the following
1) MB - GA-890GPA-UD3H
2) CPU - Phenom 3.4 Ghz
3) RAM - Gskill 4GBx4 or 2GBx4
4) GPU - nVidia 460 GTX,1 GB
4) PSU - Corsair 500-600W
5) CPU Coolar - Corsair H70
6) Case - Coolar master HAF 932
7) HDD SATA - 500 to 1 TB Seagate
8) DVD - LG SATA
9) KB - Microsoft
10) Mouse - Microsoft PS2
Questions
1) How good is the motherboard. For the configuration is there a better Gigabyte board ( Love Gigabyte )
2) As the said MB takes 2000 Mhz (OC) should I go for 2000 Memory Sticks or get 1600 or anything less
3) Will AMD MC be able to handle 2000 OC ( Have read absic's related threads )
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Hi Babdi,
well I'm pleased to see that the heat where you are isn't putting you off another PC build. Not going the full water cooling route with this one then?
Going through your specs I would suggest that you don't go for the NVidia 460GTX but look for a similar spec'd ATI GPU. This is a personal choice and based on my own experiences of issues when running NVidia cards on the AMD platform. An ATI GPU does seem to give better compatibility and a lot less problems.
With regard to your questions regarding Memory. Well the Mobo will take faster Modules but you will be limited to using just 2 memory slots.
How will this faster RAM impact on the CPU? To be honest I'm not sure and I am not in a position to actually test these faster modules. But, from my own system and having purchased 1600 Mhz RAM before I knew of the Memory Controller problems, I would say don't waste your money on the faster modules. If you are going to O/C your system then I would suggest going for 1600 MHz RAM, down clocking it to 1333 MHz and boosting the CPU speed. This will actually give your system a bigger speed gain overall and by having the RAM down-clocked, it will give you more room to manoeuvre.
Your PSU is, I think, a little on the light side and I would recommend going for something around the 700-750 Watt mark.
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Thank you absic for the profound reply.
One important answer I expected was regarding my choice of mother board and my queries relating to that.
1) Yes I am little cheesed off by the present performance. Hence planning to switch. Going for full fledged water cooling is not my game. I am looking for a self sustaining system. H70 fits the bill. It is compact. Does a noticable reduction in temps. I dont over clock to extermes. An over clock upto 3800-3900 should keep me happy. Going over 3900 causes CPU voltages to be near 1.5 or more which is treading quick sand.
2) GPU - Which is the equivalent or better performing ATI card vis-avis 460 GTX.
3) Yes, I can consider a 750 watt PSU if the price difference is not vast.
4) Memory - Even I thought of 1600. Presently I have 1600 set to 1600 and it works just fine.I prefer Gskill to Corsair. I had to return Corsair thrice and switch to Gskill. Corsair runs at 1.80 volts while Gksill runs at 1.65 volts
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Hi Babdi,
To be honest, when it comes to the choice of motherboard the range for the AMD platform isn't that great. If it was my money I would choose the GA-890XA-UD3 http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3421#ov This is an updated version of the GA-790XTA-UD4 which is my current Mobo and, if I were to upgrade today, is the board I would get.
Instead of going for the faster RAM I would opt to spend my money on one of the Phenom ii X6 CPU's, especially if you are going to do a lot of Video Editing and/or rendering.
Also, on the subject of RAM the old adage the more the better definitely applies to anything that involves Video rendering. So, 8 Gig+ of 1333 MHZ RAM would be my own choice based on experience of doing such work and also with regard to the AMD Memory Controller. I am running 8 Gig of Corsair 1600 MHz RAM down-clocked to 1333 Mhz and it works well alongside the 1090T.
As far as ATI Graphics cards go I can only suggest what I would buy if it was my money and I would probably go for one of the Sapphire 5770's http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?cid=1&leg=&psn=000101&gid=3&sgid=643 or above depending on available funds. I currently use the Sapphire 4850X2 which is a great card but, I don't play games that much and this card does all that I want it to at the moment and it handles Crysis so it's not that bad. ;).
The reason I suggest a more powerful PSU is that some of these newer Graphic Cards really do like to draw a lot of power on start-up and it is also future proofs you a bit. If you really get into Video Editing the one thing you will need is a lot of HDD space. Whilst external USB/Firewire/e-SATA caddies are an option, I have found that they are never as quick as an internal HDD and, they are also more expensive. The bigger PSU will make sure you have enough power to allow for additional HDD's.
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As far as ATI Graphics cards go I can only suggest what I would buy if it was my money and I would probably go for one of the Sapphire 5770's http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?cid=1&leg=&psn=000101&gid=3&sgid=643 or above depending on available funds. I currently use the Sapphire 4850X2 which is a great card but, I don't play games that much and this card does all that I want it to at the moment and it handles Crysis so it's not that bad. ;).
The reason I suggest a more powerful PSU is that some of these newer Graphic Cards really do like to draw a lot of power on start-up and it is also future proofs you a bit. If you really get into Video Editing the one thing you will need is a lot of HDD space. Whilst external USB/Firewire/e-SATA caddies are an option, I have found that they are never as quick as an internal HDD and, they are also more expensive. The bigger PSU will make sure you have enough power to allow for additional HDD's.
I would just like to add my twopenneth to what absic has already said. As for the graphics card I would go for at least the 5830 because that is the first 256bit card in the lineup whereas the 5770 is only 128bit.
On the PSU side I would totally agree with absic and just like to say that there are many problems on this forum brought about by people using under rated power supplies. A lot of the time they don't want to see it but it is the cause of many faults.
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Thank you absic
Would you like to tell me why GA-790XTA-UD4 is better compared to one I had mentioned.
Also why X6 instead of X4 3.4
As regards to PSU I need to take a call based on GPU.
ATI has 7950. How would you rate it. The specs looks impressive. All said and done any ATI card I would choose should support DirectX 11.0
Thank you for Darkmantis for chipping in. I always thought PSU specs should optimum for a given configuration plus 20%, just in case !
So if the specs demand for a 700 W PSU I should ideally buy a 850 watts.
Thank you all.
I am negotiating with the Vendor who is going supply the new kit for the best "buy back" price. I will retain my existing BenQ 21 wide HD monitor (Its a month old) and my Altec Langseng speakers (old but delivers nice sound with sub-woofer)
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Actually Babdi I said that if I was buying a new Mobo it would be the GA-890XA-UD3.
The GA-790XTA-UD4 is the board I currently use and the only weakness it has is the Marvell 9128 SATA3 Chip, the updated version (GA-890XA-UD3 ) doesn't use this chipset. The 790XTA has proved very robust in all other areas and I have done a lot of testing with it, using different CPU's, RAM GPU's and HDD's and it has never let me down and I would hope that the newer version of this board would prove to be just as solid.
The reason I suggest going for an X6 is the increased overall performance, when handling audio/video files. I moved from an X4 965 to the X6 1090T and have noticed quite a drop in the time it takes for rendering video files and in batch converting WAV files to MP3, which is something I do quite a bit.
The graphic card you choose is really up to you. The only reason I went for the 5770 was down to cost and I was thinking of what I would buy if it were my money. It is very easy to say go for the most expensive, top of the range hardware, when it is someone else's money. When asked for my opinion, I always think of this and consider what will do the job without being at a ridiculous cost and, more importantly, what would I buy if it was for me.
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abisc
Your suggestions and opinions are well received. The reason I asked was from a technical point of view in terms performance,compatibility etc.
Now how do you rate GA-890FXA-UD5 vs GA-X890GPA-UD3H
Please understand that all AMD MB Gigabyte offers is not available here. The ones I have given above are what is available.
However for Intel CPU the range available is good. The only reaon I am going for AMD is it takes anything that is thrown at it not withstanding
the more heat AMD produces compared to Intel. Also AMD is cheaper for given speed.
Please correct me if I am wrong
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The GA-890FXA-UD5 is a nice board and would be a good choice. The only reason I didn't go for this is due to the fact that it only has one PCI slot which can be a little bit limiting if you have older PCI cards or more than one of them.
I know heat is an issue for you but I have never had any real problems with excessive heat from any of the AMD rigs I have built. In fact, I believe they are actually cooler than comparable Intel systems. Having just rendered a Video my 1090T CPU peaked at 36°C after more than 90 minutes of high use, which is well within the 62°C max temp of the processor. (ambient here is about 22°).
With the higher end Intel rigs they do actually have an advantage over the highest that AMD have to offer at the moment with regards to overall speed but, as you have mentioned, that does come at a premium when it comes to cost. I have been using AMD CPU's for a long time now, along with Gigabyte Motherboards and have yet to have any cause for complaint. The systems have all been solid (unless I have tried something really stupid) and the only real issue I have ever encountered have been when trying to use NVidia GPU's. This has primarily been down to the NVidia drivers though, not the actual hardware, hence the fact I recommend ATI cards these days.
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Thank you absic for the wonderful answer. it is good to see that our wave lengths match.
I had always used nVidia.However, as you rightly said the drivers is the cause for concern.
The new driver 258.96 causes my sytem to hang at windows logo screen and was forced use 191.86. I had written about this in their forum too.
My experience with ATI would be new and hence am little apprehensive. Is the performance of ATI on par or better as compared to nVidia.
I plan to buy Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 5830 1 GB GDDR5. Which card of nVidia it matches or out performs.
I believe,based on you last post, that ATI cards have fewer driver problems and perform flawlessly.
Based on cost vs performance I plan to upgrade subject to a good "buy back" offer. Your comments appreciated.
Motherboard - GA-X890GPA-UD3H rev 2.1 ( UD5 is 30% more costly )
CPU - AMD Phenom BE X4 3.4 Ghz ( 3.2 X6 almost double the cost )
RAM - Gskill F3-10666CL9S-4GBRL - 2 x 2GB x 2
Graphics card -Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 5830 1 GB GDDR5
HDD - Seagate 7200.12 ,Barracuda 500 GB
DVD writer - LG GH22NS50 Optical
PSU - Corsair TX650W ( 850W - high price difference)
PC Case - Coolar master HAF 932
CPU Coolar - Corsair H70
Keyboard+mouse MS
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Hi Babdi,
Ah, my friend, I am not saying that ATI are perfect, only that I have had less issues with them and their drivers, than at any time with NVidia. There can still be problems, just check the forum, but these issues are normally due to other things rather than the drivers.
At the moment, when it comes to graphics cards, ATI are deemed to be of a higher standard than NVidia and, if you look on-line at the numerous reviews for any of the 5*** Series ATI Cards, you will see that they are pretty much the reviewer's choice over NVidia at the moment.
Not sure about your choice of graphic card though, if I were going for a card in that area I would opt either for the 5850 or the 5790. You might want to checkout this Hexus review before making a final choice: http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=22569&page=10 As you can see from this review, the 5830 is a bit of a mongrel and I'm not sure I would want to spend so much money on a card that uses more power than the 5850 but performs on a par with the slightly cheaper 5790.
From the specs that you now have, apart from the GPU, I think you are pretty much ready to order and I don't think you will have many problems with it. I think we will always disagree about RAM as you are a GSkill advocate and I am more of a Corsair fan, but hopefully your choice here will be OK. Unfortunately, there seems to be a little glitch at the Gigabyte Website so I can't check if the RAM is on the QVL at the moment but I'm sure that you have checked that out yourself.
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Hi absic.
Thank you for GPU analysis and recommendation. I checked review and 5830 is not ranked very well. However 5850 here costs 1500 quid more than 5830.
Hence chose 5830. Barring the power draw I guess performance should be on par or may be a wee bit better compared to 5850. I was corsair fan;By the way Corsair is expensive compared to Gskill here.Also corsair failed me miserably earlier.
OK, I will give prices in Indian Rupees of all ATi cards that is available here. This will help me in taking a good decision with your inputs
1) SAPPHIRE HD 4350 1G - 2475
2) SAPPHIRE HD 5450 1GB - 3700
3) SAPPHIRE HD 4670 1GB - 4445
4) SAPPHIRE HD 5550 1GB - 4700
5) SAPPHIRE HD5830 1GB - 14500
6) SAPPHIRE HD5850 1GB - 15950
7) Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 5870 - 21900
8) SAPPHIRE HD5870 2GB - 32000
9) SAPPHIRE HD5970 2GB - 37500
7) to 9) is ruled out for me. 6) is expensive. 5) Is my choice. 1) to 4) can be discussed.
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Ah! Now I understand Babdi and, given the options available to you then I would also go for the 5830 especially as you want to be able to play games on this new build.
The 5550 is a good general purpose card and will handle most things, but it is a bit weak when it comes down to some of the higher spec'd games available today. There is a review at overclockers on this card though that you might want to look at, just so you can make an informed decision: http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/sapphire_hd550_ultimate/
Again it is a personal choice but, if it was me, I would probably look at the 5550 and use the money saved on the GPU for a hex core CPU. But, I'm not into playing games so I really don't want or need a high spec'd graphics card! ;)
hope this helps
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Thank you once again absic for your insightful post I did read the review of 5550.It did meet the requirement for the games tested. This is how I sum up
1) Cost - Good
2) Cooling - Average
3) Memory - Fair (DDR 2)
4) Clock - Fair
5) Directx - Good (supports 11.0)
Since I am going for a new rig thought anything I invest should reasonably be future proof.
Your observation of going for X6 with 5550 is worth noting.
Thank you once again absic for being helpful. I will keep in mind the X6 instead of X4
All depends on how much I will get for my existing rig.
I suppose Dark Mantis is pra(e)ying ;)
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Mmmm, DM is most probably trying to hide as he doesn't know a lot about the AMD platform. Don't worry, I'm sure he will return soon enough to throw his two pennyworth into the mix.
Mind you, I must admit to enjoying his silence, it makes a nice change doesn't it?! ;)
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Silence, what silence! Actually I was just going to post when the red lettering came up saying absic has beaten you to it again ;)
I agree about the graphics card(5830) being the best choice if you are a gamer as anything less will struggle especially as new games come out. A bit of future proofing too. The processor can always be upgraded later as necessary.
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Yes, in principal you are right DM but, I have concerns over the 5830, taking into account the higher power draw and the problems Babdi already has faced with high ambient temps in India.
In the reviews I have checked out, all of them say that the 5830 is on a par with the 5790 for performance but takes more power than the 5850. The advice I have offered with regard to using the 5550 is based on my own experiences of building AMD rigs and also the use that Babdi wants to put the PC to.
Although the 5830 does seem a better choice at first glance I am looking at the overall system capabilities and do feel that the extra money spent on it would, in fact, be better spent on the CPU. It would be much better, to my mind, in getting a good solid system up and running to do everything that is required, albeit it, at the cost of a slightly higher spec'd GPU. If needed, an upgrade to the GPU, when finances allow, is a much more cost effective route.
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Hmm The Mantis has woken. Thank you Mantis. Logically absic has point People change Graphic card fairly often as compared to CPU; the reason being newer Graphic cards come out quicker AND newer CPU is prohibitively expensive when launched. Again changing CPU is a chore especially when it is water cooled.
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Both points well taken. absic pass Mantis the pie now ::)
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No need for the pie. It is actually better to have different opinions about the choice of hardware. As I have stated on many occasions, I am not a gamer so I don't always consider this aspect fully, when putting together systems.
However, in this instance I have looked at this aspect of the build and really do feel that the 5830 will be a poor choice. As I always do, when asked what I would suggest, I consider if it was my money what would I buy? It definitely wouldn't be the 5830. If the need to play games is that much more important and money isn't the real concern, then I would say go for the 5850 which overall would be a much better choice of GPU.
It is a fine balancing act of getting a PC to cover all the bases and the big concern I have, is the fact that video editing is an important factor with this build too. A hex core CPU, coupled with a lot of RAM will allow for much better editing, rendering and conversion speeds over the X4. The GPU in this case is less important and, in fact, if all you were going to do was video work, you could save a lot of money by just using the motherboard's on-board graphics, which would be more than adequate.
The 5550 is a compromise solution, it will handle most things thrown at it, from a gaming point of view and is much easier to upgrade at a later date over the other components. The money saved by going down this route would be better spent on the hex core or even on extra HDD's as video and audio files can take up a lot of space, if the hex core is too expensive.
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Absic I have a slightly different view as far as video editing and rendering goes. You would know that these days GPU processing power is pulled in when rendering a video;CUDA; which nVidia flaunts of. If ATI has CUDA ( I have not read CUDA being mentioned in any ATI reviews ) then going for a better graphics card would cut down rendering considerably.
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ATI doesn't have CUDA, as far as I'm aware. The ATI version of this is Stream but, to be honest, it's not really all it's cracked up to be.
I am only using the 4850x2 and have used this card along with an X4 and 4 Gig of RAM so I have a direct comparison when it comes to the differences between the X4 and X6 and also 4 Gig v 8 Gig of RAM. With the Adobe Creative suite 5, that I use for video work, the better processor and higher RAM in the 64 bit versions of these programmes really does make a difference.
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To be fair I would also agree with that. What babdi was saying about using the GPU number crunching power for the rendering was one of my considerations but I would agree that at the moment at least the ATI option in this field is not so good. Don't get me wrong I would choose the Radeon over the nVidea at the moment without a shadow of a doubt but not for those reasons.
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absic
I am not sure if Adobe uses CUDA but Video studio X3 and Power director 8 does. It really makes a whale of difference.
Now that nVidia is living on laurels and is obvious that their drivers are a disaster. I agree with Mantis on this.
Well in this part of world Intel and nVidia rules. AMD has poor visibility. The discerning understand the might of AMD. Do I see absic smiling ;)
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Power Director 8 can also make use of the ATI Stream technology which has been available since the series 4*** ATI Cards. I have never tried using this software so I really don't know of it's capabilities or how well it makes use of ATI Stream.
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I reduced to stock speed. The idle temps hovers around 32 deg C which is about 5 deg above ambient.
Now lets look at PSUs
I have these PSU available here and prices are given against them
PSU - Corsair TX650W - 6760
PSU - Antec BP550 Plus Smps ATX12V V2.2 - 5250
PSU - Tagan Stonepack TG600-U37 600W - 4250
PSU - Zebronic 700W Platnium Series - 3950
PSU - Silverstone ST50F - 2850
PSU - FSP Saga II 500 Watts - 2400.
I do not plan to use additional HDD or GPU.
Comments please
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Well Babdi, got to say from the PSU's you have available, I would go for the Corsair TX650. I am running with a Corsair PSU and I haven't had any problems with mine.
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From my point of view I also would go with the Corsair as I have found them to be excellent although the Tagan is a well respected PSU as well.
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Thank you. Even I was eyeing Tagan as it was in mid range,pricewise. Tagan's reviews are not bad either.
I can use the saving to probably to go for X6,3.2 :)
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Yes, the Tagan does look a good option but I have a little concern over the power output. The Corsair is 650W v the Tagan's 600W. I would go for the Corsair especially as you are looking at one of the higher end graphic cards and they do seem to like a lot of power at start-up and a nice steady flow whilst running.
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You just got in there with the same comment as me. The Tagan has it's ouput on the 12v rail split in two whereas the Corsair has a single rail setup which I must admit to preferring. I was also going to mention that if babdi wanted to run dual GPS in the future they wouldn't be powerfull enough.
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Yes, this is true, none of the PSU's that Babdi has posted would be powerful enough for a dual GPU set-up.
The problem here, as with all new builds is one of cost against availability and what the PC will actually be able to do when the available components are put together. Again, I am looking at the overall results that are required and trying to keep in mind the options available and the net result of putting these items together.
Things such as a higher powered PSU or second graphic cards, although nice, are not essential for the first build and can be easily replaced when availability and/or budget allows.
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Things such as a higher powered PSU or second graphic cards, although nice, are not essential for the first build and can be easily replaced when availability and/or budget allows.
Whilst you are correct, I think it is also valid to look at the longer term costings. It is not cheaper if you have to replace a part in a matter of months or so because it won't run some new device that you want to install. What I am trying to say is that an paying extra £30 now would make more sense than having to pay another £120 in a years time to replace a PSU with something more powerful.
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This is the data sheet of Tagan
Tagan Stonepack TG600-U37 600W
Voltage Table
Model TG600-U37 600 W StoneRock Series" "
AC Input 230VAC (200V-240V) 6A 50Hz
DC Output +3.3 V +5 V +12 V1 +12 V2 -12 V +5 VSB
Max Amps 24 A 30 A 22 A 22 A 0.5 A 2.5A
Max Combined 150 W 528 W / 44A 6 W 12.5 W
Total Power 600 W
Features
Compliant wi t h ATX12V Ver.2.2 and downward versions.
230VAC Input Voltage only.
Active Power Factor Correction (PF) > 0.95 at full load.
Maximum efficiency up to 83% means power supply produces less heat and
emits less noise. An economical and ecological solution
Two independent +12V rails provide different devices individual power thus
making the system stable.
Universal motherboard compatibility due to 20+4 pin main power as well
as 4-pin & 8-pin +12V power connectors.
6Pin & 6+2Pin PCI Express connectors support NVIDIA SLI and ATI Crossfire graphic cards.
Total 10 IDE and SATA hard disk connectors available for top usage.
Thermal fan control automatically adjusts fan speed thus controlling the temperature inside the power supply.
(Fan speeds up when temperature rises.)
Internal OVP (Over Voltage Protection) and OCP (Over Current Protection) functions help to eliminate sudden power surge which cause damages to peripherals.
From AMD site PSU requirement500 Watt or greater power supply with two 75W 6-pin PCI Express® power connectors recommended (600 Watt and four 6-pin connectors for ATI CrossFireX™ technology in dual mode)
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Yes I take it we are all conversant with the specs. It was just trying to help you come to a sensible and financillly viable decision taking into account any slightly longer term ideas that you might have.
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Hi Babdi,
I would still go for the Corsair PSU as it has a single rail which I have found to be more robust at supplying the necessary power. The dual rail design of the Tagan, appears to be OK but I have found out the hard way that such designs can sometimes cause problems, as the total output is actually split between the 2 rails.
I know that it is a tough choice, especially when the extra cost is involved, but my advice is offered from experience and I really don't want you to make the same mistakes I have made in the past.
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I appreciate your ( absic,DM) concern and willingness to help in my choice making.
As said in one of my posts I will not be going for dual GPU in future and that is the reason for choosing UD3 board. I do agree PSU should be future proof
A 20% higher power rating than required should be sufficient is what I feel. Yes, cost is also the factor.
I may take last minute decision to go for Corsair 850W if situation demand. All depends how much I get for the old rig.
If the offer is weak then this is what I may do keeping other things same
change the mobo to UD3
go for HAF 932
switch to H70
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This is it. It always comes down to money at the end of the day and whilst we can all see the pros of going for the better quality device if you haven't got the rupees then it is a non starter. :'(
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Yes indeed DM. We dont have deep pockets, do we ?. Such discussions are a intellectual stimuli and helps in polarizing the purchase.
I must admit inputs from both of you has made my decision making easier and clearer. I now know exactly what will be the outcome based on the choice of hardware I choose.
Thank you very much
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I now know exactly what will be the outcome based on the choice of hardware I choose.
Now now Babdi, don't get over confident. If we could all guarantee the outcome of our purchases DM and I would never have wasted our money on Western Digital Caviar Black SATA 6GB/s HDD's. :P
The final choices of components will always depend on ones finances and what items are actually available at the time of purchase and we can hope for a certain outcome of how these components will work together, based on our experiences and the feedback or reviews that we may have read about on the internet. But there is always the risk of a challenge when the parts are put together, that's what makes this aspect of computing so exciting and sometimes, so frustrating.
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Yo, wassup?
I have a similar issue my build is the GA-890GPA-UD3H 1055t, corsair xms 8gb. and trying to decide on grapics either the 5850 or a gtx 460/470
i,ve heard of the amd nvidia issues. if you have tried it with this mother board can you let me know how it works out?
and another thoery.. say i use a 5850 and buy a gts450 dedicated for physx...:) will it be ok on a amd mother board because it seems to work fine on intel ones. using a physx hybrid mod driver.... any ways let me know ...peAAAACEE!
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Wwaassuupp!! and welcome to the forum.
Personally I would recommend the 5850. It is a rock solid card compared to the 460 which seems to be having many problems at the moment. As top wheter you can run one of each on the same motherboard singly I don't see why not but I must admiot this is absic's domain and he will know a lot more about the AMD foibles than me.
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Okay This is what I have moved to.
Thanks to absic and DarkMantis for valuable inputs especially on PSU ;)
MB from GA-MA-790X-UD4P to GA-890GPA-UD3H,rev 2.1 BIOS FGa (Beta)
Graphics - GTS 250 to MSI GTX 460
Coolar - H50 to H70
PSU - 450 W to HX750 W Corsair
CPU Phenom BE 955 3.2 GHz - No change
Memory - Gskill 1600 - No change
HDD - Seagate,320 GB - No change
Case - M59 NZXT
Fan layout
Front top and bottom - Blow in
Side panel - Blow in
Top front blow in
Top rear - Blow out
H70 set to exhaust
OC - 3600, increased multiplier
Memory set to 1600 and timings Auto
Temps
Idle - 32 deg C
Ambient - 26 deg C
System stable with AIDA 64 test
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That all looks good to me apart from the fact that you are running your memory at 1600 rather than the safe recommended speed of 1333. You are chancing damaging your processor by doing so.
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As DM says, you are taking a bit of a gamble by running your RAM at 1600MHz. However, if you are only running 2 sticks of RAM, one on each channel, you will probably be OK but I wouldn't risk it myself.
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In other words, what everybody is really trying to say, is GL in trying to find the "right" RAM.
Cross your fingers and hope a DDR3-1333 MHz will work outta' 'da BOX !
Pathetic, absolutely patheitc on AMD's-part not to work out their Memory-controller problems with the existing Mem-chip makers'. !
but ya, GL
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Absic / DM
I have 2 GB sticks on 4 slots which 2 x 4 = 8GB running 1600 unganged.Have not faced problem with moderate OC. I have not bumped voltages anywhere. The only thing I did was flash BIOS to FGa (Beta)
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Hi Babdi,
I would strongly recommend that you pull your RAM back to 1333 MHz.
Like you I can get my RAM running at 1600 MHz and everything seems all right but it is a big chance you are taking with the Memory Controllers on the CPU and AMD have themselves stated that everything can seem to be running fine only for the system to suddenly become unstable and then fall over requiring the CPU to be replaced.
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Yes I have already pulled back to 1333 Mhz. What I lose in BUS speed shall make up in OCeing. Planning to use Easy tune. How good is it ?
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It's better to make any changes in BIOS rather than using software to do it. But, as a first step, EasyTune6 is no better or worse than a lot of the programmes for overclocking.
You could also try AMD Overdrive which is another programme that can be useful. you can download that from here: http://game.amd.com/es-es/drivers_overdrive.aspx
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Thanks !. I guess will try easy tune and see how far it gets and try with AMD overdrive
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Okay. Tried with AMD over drive. Did not work. Tried at BIOS with following settings
MEM clock - 1333 Mhz
MEM voltage - 1.65 (Gskill recommended)
Stock speed - 3200 Mhz
HTT - 210 to 240
NB V - Normal to +0.250
CPU V - Normal to 1.475
Result - Does not boot or fails AIDA stability test
What is going wrong
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No one wants to help ! :-X
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Hi and sorry Babdi, this one seemed to slip by
Have you re-set BIOS to Optimised Defaults?
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Okay I set to optimized defaults then..... :-X
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What kind of memory you have? If you plan to overclock your cpu, then just leave your ram at 1333 with loose timings. 8GB of ram is not good to overclock with, a lot harder the 4 GB.
Just to let you know, my ram is set to 1.5V, downclocked from 1600 MHz. Recommended is 1.6V.
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Thanks Canuk. I have a G-skill 1600 RAM , 2GB x 4. I have seen people with 1 GB RAM over clock to 4.2 G.Hz ::)
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Please read 1 GB as 8 GB.Sorry...! :P
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I have since increased my voltages to 1.6V, just with the overclock and crossfire the extra voltage is needed.
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I have seen people with 8 GB RAM over clock to 4.2 G.Hz ::)
Yes, I have had my 1090T running at 4.2GHz and I have 8 Gig of RAM. (See here: http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,3637.msg27913.html#new )
I kept the RAM at 1333MHz at all times though and my Corsair Dominator is rated at 1.65V but at 1333MHz it runs OK at 1.5V. But each system handles things differently so I guess I'm just lucky. I still won't run my RAM at the full 1600MHz even though it passes all the tests I have thrown at it. It's not the RAM that I don't trust but I really do not have any faith in the CPU or their Memory Controllers.
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Hi Babdi,
I would strongly recommend that you pull your RAM back to 1333 MHz.
Like you I can get my RAM running at 1600 MHz and everything seems all right but it is a big chance you are taking with the Memory Controllers on the CPU and AMD have themselves stated that everything can seem to be running fine only for the system to suddenly become unstable and then fall over requiring the CPU to be replaced.
You can add me to the list of peeps that lost their cpu do to running the ram at 1600..Fortunately it was only the 95$ x720..I just replaced it with the 1055T..the 50$ savings instead of buying the 1090T went to adding a second set of Adata 2x2g 1600g..all 4 sticks happily running at 8-8-8-24 cr1T 1333
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Yes it is not an unusal occurance and often people wont take any notice and think we are just scaremongering when we advise not to run at over 1333Mhz.
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I am at 1333 mhz unable to go beyond 3600 stable
1) Loaded optimized defaults
2) Disabled Cool n Quiet
3) Disabled side port memory
4) Increased CPU multiplier to 3600 step by step
5) CPU VID = + 0.125
6) NB VID = +0.100
7) System stable with 4 hours of Black Op
Temp CPU = 32 C idle,41 C gaming
Unable to go beyond 3600