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Questions about GIGABYTE products => Motherboards with AMD processors => Topic started by: oppp7 on October 15, 2010, 01:01:09 pm
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GIGABYTE+ AMD very disappointing
With support for RAID 0 with SSD
http://mushkin.com/Digital-Storage/SSDs/MKNSSDCL60GB.aspx
See how the new board with SB850 barely able to give 200 MB with RAID 0 2XSSD
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3420#ov
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/331/1520101145.png
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/677/39558770.png
Look RAID 0 with 2 disks simple mechanical
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=299
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/4146/hdtunebenchmarkamd20str.png
Look at tests on Intel boards with RAID 0 + SSD
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=258891
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/printthread.php?t=258891&pp=25
Are the board has a problem?
Does the board amd RAID 0 speed limits?
How can I improve speed?
How Intel's board gives good results
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Hi oppo7,
I don't have your motherboard or the SSD's that you are using so I can't give you a reason or a solution to this problem.
I know from my own experience that the stated speeds obtainable from RAID0 on the SATA3 interface are not what I expected to see and have been bitterly disappointed by this. As my board uses the Marvell 9128 Chip for SATA3 I can't give a direct comparison but I know that Gigabyte advised not to set up a RAID array using SATA3 SSD's on this particular chip. They didn't give a reason, only that it wasn't recommended. (if you go to page 6 of this thread http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,2336.90.html you will find what I'm talking about.)
Because your own PC set-up is probably not very common among other members of the forum you might struggle to get a good response with this query and I would advise you to raise your question with Gigabyte Technical support here: http://ggts.gigabyte.com.tw/tech.asp?ClassID=2&Country=Israel&SourceWeb=B2C as they will have the necessary resources to duplicate your situation and to offer the best solution for you.
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thank you very much
on the serious written
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You are using the blue SATA ports?
Does AMD have a write-back cache option you can enable?
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YES I AM
SATA 0 AND 1
AND I TRY SATA 4 AND 5
WITH WIN 7 64 BIT
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After looking at this I think AMD don't do good RAID...
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/ich10r-sb750-780a,review-31653-13.html
So much for AMD's SATA 3 support...
You can try changing/checking some settings like NCQ, write cache...in AMD RAIDXpert by http://127.0.0.1:25902/amd if you installed the software... never used AMD RAID so I think thats what you have to do.
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HD Tune Pro and/or AS SSD may not be a good benchmark test for that Mushkin Calisto drive.
HD Tune Pro 4.60 released.
Changes:
Improved support for SSD
Health
added support for more SSDs
Mushkin recommends ATTO Disk Benchmark.
http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/1749/ATTO%20Disk%20Benchmark%20v2.46.html
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When I installed WIN 7 64
He did not ask me to install BOOTDRV
AMD SATA RAID Driver (Preinstall driver, press F6 during Windows * setup to read from floppy)
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3420#dl
Sata raid driver
Not installed
IN Device Manager
How do I install THAT
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HD Tune Pro and/or AS SSD may not be a good benchmark test for that Mushkin Calisto drive.
HD Tune Pro 4.60 released.
Changes:
Improved support for SSD
Health
added support for more SSDs
Mushkin recommends ATTO Disk Benchmark.
http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/1749/ATTO%20Disk%20Benchmark%20v2.46.html
no i try 3 software
What THIS A joke
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Give this a read. http://www.anandtech.com/show/2973/6gbps-sata-performance-amd-890gx-vs-intel-x58-p55
You may need a updated bios as it looks like AMD's in house boards perform much better than most retail boards do.
Also are you using AMD’s latest SB850 AHCI drivers? I doubt you will get the speeds you expect but you may get more out of it. Also keep in mind Intel has always had the best storage controllers and they have had years to tweak and tune their SATA 2 controllers.AMD just came out with their first SATA 3 controller. Bios and driver updates will surely improve performance but it may take a revision of the southbridge to get full speed out of it.
Have you tried staggering the drives on the SATA ports, 0 and 3 or 1 and 4. It could make a difference. I'm sure I read somewhere it does on the Intel controllers. I could be wrong though.
Bill
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You may need a updated bios
i have the last bios
so what to updated ?
Also are you using AMD’s latest SB850 AHCI drivers?
the board sb 850 not ask to install "BOOTDRV"
IN installation WIN 7 64
BUT I UP DATE THE RAID
GIGABYTE SATA2 Preinstall driver (For AHCI / RAID Mode)
FROM THE GIGABYT WEB
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3420#dl
after installation WIN 7 64
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/792/13294641.png
Bios and driver updates will surely improve performance
Did not help anything
but it may take a revision of the southbridge to get full speed out of it.
what revision ?
this board is in the Market 6 months !
When it works ?
Have you tried staggering the drives on the SATA ports, 0 and 3 or 1 and 4.
i try sata 0 and 1
sata 4 and 5
Thesem results
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Can we get a complete list of the components used in your system. Please confirm you are using the AMD SATA ports. The SB850 drivers are installed or updated with each new Catalyst driver. If you are using an AMD/ATI video card you are already installing these drivers. Things get a little confusing if you are using a Nvidia video card because it looks like the SB850 drivers are not down loadable separately. I would guess the Catalyst driver would allow the installation of the SB850 drivers even if you are using a Nvidia card but I have never tested this. Hopefully a AMD guy will either confirm or deny this. By reading over your posts it sounds like you do not have a driver installed fo the AMD SATA RAID controller. In the link you posted for your motherboard did you install this driver? "AMD Chipset Driver (include chipset \ sata raid driver)"? You will never see the full potential of the SB850 with out the drivers installed. What strip size are you using as it can make or break RAID 0 performance?
Gigabyte may need to release a updated bios to improve SB850 performance. They may have already does this and you may already have it but I can't say for sure as no bios claims improved performance. There is a beta bios "FEB" that has updates for a new RAID ROM. It also looks like the FD bios adds support for a new revision of the SB850 southbridge. What bios did your board ship with? If it was older then FD you may have a older revision of the south bridge which could possibly hurt drive performance.
Bill
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the board sb 850 not ask to install "BOOTDRV"
IN installation WIN 7 64
BUT I UP DATE THE RAID
GIGABYTE SATA2 Preinstall driver (For AHCI / RAID Mode)
FROM THE GIGABYT WEB
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3420#dl
This driver is not for the AMD SATA ports.
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the board sb 850 not ask to install "BOOTDRV"
IN installation WIN 7 64
BUT I UP DATE THE RAID
GIGABYTE SATA2 Preinstall driver (For AHCI / RAID Mode)
FROM THE GIGABYT WEB
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3420#dl
This driver is not for the AMD SATA ports.
I agree if he is using the SB850 the GB driver does nothing. I find it near impossible to follow what opp7 is saying. Its partly the language barrier but the general lack of info makes it really tough. Add the wacky way AMD packages their drivers and the poor way they distribute them makes it a freaking nightmare. Gigabyte does not help the matter much as they lack complete info as well as all mother board manufactures seem to do.
Bill
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Can we get a complete list of the components used in your system. Please confirm you are using the AMD SATA ports. The SB850 drivers are installed or updated with each new Catalyst driver. If you are using an AMD/ATI video card you are already installing these drivers.
Motherboard + drivers there are on site +7 64 WIN
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3420#ov
I USE AMD SATA ports SATA 0 AND 1 4 AND 5
Catalyst driver 10.9 +South Bridge Driver +Raid Driver for Windows 7 FROM THIS WEB
http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloads/Pages/integrated-win7-64.aspx
HD 4290
(include chipset \ sata raid driver
Version 1.17.55.0 GIGABYTE SATA2 Preinstall driver (For AHCI / RAID Mode)
I installed after installing WIN 7 64
There is a beta bios "FEB" that has updates for a new RAID ROM
Where ? I have the latest BIOS
FROM THE WEB GIGABYTE
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"(include chipset \ sata raid driver[/quote]
Version 1.17.55.0 GIGABYTE SATA2 Preinstall driver (For AHCI / RAID Mode)
I installed after installing WIN 7 64"
Your not using the Gigabyte SATA 2 controller right. So why enable it in the bios or install a RAID driver for it? If you want it enabled run it in IDE mode or AHCI mode not RAID mode.
" I USE AMD SATA ports SATA 0 AND 1 4 AND 5"
As i said before have you tried staggering the RAID drives on SATA ports 0 and 2. Some boards/chipsets share bandwidth between certain SATA ports. The only way to know for sure is to try.
"There is a beta bios "FEB" that has updates for a new RAID ROM
Where ? I have the latest BIOS
FROM THE WEB GIGABYTE"
What bios are you using? You say the latest if so you must already be running FEB? If not its worth a shot IMO. It's the first bios listed in the link you posted for your board.
Bill
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Your not using the Gigabyte SATA 2 controller right. So why enable it in the bios or install a RAID driver for it? If you want it enabled run it in IDE mode or AHCI mode not RAID mode.
i try with RAID MODE OR IDE MODE
Does not change anything
Why did you write IDE OR AHCI MODE ?
bios - FEB
bios
ONCHIP SATA CONTROLLER ( ENABLED )
ONCHIP SATA TYPE ( raid )
ONCHIP SATA port 4/5 type ( as sata type )
ONCHIP SATA RAID 5 SUPPORT ( disabled )
ONCHIP SATA 3.0 SUPPORT ( ENABLED )
ONBOARD GSATA/IDE CTRL MODE ( RAID / IDE )
ONBOARD SATA/IDE CTRL MODE ( RAID / IDE )
BOB
something wrong with this configuration?
If not what?
Why?
And how I knew it was getting right ?
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Your not using the Gigabyte SATA 2 controller right. So why enable it in the bios or install a RAID driver for it? If you want it enabled run it in IDE mode or AHCI mode not RAID mode.
What to change and where? BIOS
Attached you BIOS commands ( above )
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"i try with RAID MODE OR IDE MODE
Does not change anything
Why did you write IDE OR AHCI MODE ?"
OK what are you using the Gigabyte SATA controller ports 6 and 7 for? nothing correct. Changing its mode makes no difference so if your not using it so you might as well disable it to increase bios post speed.
bios
ONCHIP SATA CONTROLLER ( ENABLED ) correct
ONCHIP SATA TYPE ( raid ) correct
ONCHIP SATA port 4/5 type ( as sata type ) OK
ONCHIP SATA RAID 5 SUPPORT ( disabled ) correct
ONCHIP SATA 3.0 SUPPORT ( ENABLED ) OK , what happens to your RAID performance if you disable this function? Your drives are only SATA 2 anyway.
ONBOARD GSATA/IDE CTRL MODE ( RAID / IDE ) ? options should be enabled or disabled. Disable it as your not using it.
ONBOARD SATA/IDE CTRL MODE ( RAID / IDE ) ? options should be IDE or AHCI. Makes no difference if its disabled above.
Did you test with your drives on SATA ports 0 and 2 to rule out the possibility that ports 0 and 1 share bandwidth?
You say you have the FEB bios so your good there.
Is device manager clean? you never answered this question previously. No unknown devices etc? Can you post a screen shot?
You stated this in a previous post.
"When I installed WIN 7 64
He did not ask me to install BOOTDRV
AMD SATA RAID Driver (Preinstall driver, press F6 during Windows * setup to read from floppy)
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3420#dl
Sata raid driver
Not installed
IN Device Manager
How do I install THAT"
Did you install the "AMD Chipset Driver (include chipset \ sata raid driver" from Gigabytes website?
If device manager is clean and you are using the latest drivers available the only other things I can think of are. What strip size are you using
on your RAID. Normally the default is 128k and on magnetic drives this works well. From the research I have done it may not be the best setting
for SSD's. The only way to know for sure is to try different sizes which is not so easy to do. Have you tried testing with Cool and Quiet and C1E disabled in the bios. And windows power management set to "High Performance"?
I hate to say it but if you have tried all of the above and device manager is clean I do not think there is much you can do short of getting an expensive add in card or changing over to an Intel platform.
BTW I have never liked RAID 0 as the risk for data loss is just to high. Even RAID 1 or 5 is more work than its worth. I'd rather Backup to an external drive or network drive. Its more manual work but you know what you have got.
Bill
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OK what are you using the Gigabyte SATA controller ports 6 and 7 for?
I wrote a couple of times I use - SATA 0 AND 1
Or SATA 4 AND 5
How do you write to me, "Gigabyte SATA controller ports 6 and 7"???
ON Gigabyte SATA controller ports 6 and 7 I CAN'T Install WIN 7
so you might as well disable it to increase bios post speed.
disable what ?
Where in Bios ?
What is the connection to RAID 0
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/gigabyte_ga890gpa_ud3h/images/32.htm
WHAT TO disable IN THE Picture?
Is device manager clean? you never answered this question previously. No unknown devices etc? Can you post a screen shot?
You stated this in a previous post.
device manager clean?
Of what?
No unknown devices etc?
Of what?
Can you post a screen shot?
Of what screen shot ?
Did you install the "AMD Chipset Driver (include chipset \ sata raid driver
i install AMD Chipset Driver (include chipset \ sata raid driver)
What strip size are you using
on your RAID. Normally the default is 128k
the default in my bios is 64 k
i try 128 k it's Slow
Have you tried testing with Cool and Quiet and C1E disabled in the bios
i disabled in the bios ( c1e ) AND Cool and Quiet
And windows power management set to "High Performance"?
I only have a balanced or power saving
"High Performance" disappeared from my computer
so I aimed to balanced
( Without the possibility of shutting down a computer screen or shutting down the computer)
I hate to say it but if you have tried all of the above and device manager is clean I do not think there is much you can do short of getting an expensive add in card or changing over to an Intel platform.
what above and device manager is clean ???
what card or changing over to an Intel platform ???
Do not understand what you write ???
I TRY THE The system with your configuration
i disabled ONCHIP SATA 3.0 SUPPORT
i disabled ONBOARD GSATA/IDE CTRL MODE
I got this result
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/3259/644v.png
before
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/9388/642y.png
Minimum improvement of 10-15 MB read
I TEST drives on SATA ports 0 and 2
No change
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/2406/sata0and2v564.png
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Install drivers and Raid Utility from here.
http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloads/Pages/downloads.aspx
then play about with any settings you can find.
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Install drivers and Raid Utility from here.
http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloads/Pages/downloads.aspx
then play about with any settings you can find.
As I wrote the first page
I did it
Catalyst driver 10.9 +South Bridge Driver +Raid Driver for Windows 7 FROM THIS WEB
http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloads/Pages/integrated-win7-64.aspx
HD 4290
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And have you been through the RAID Utility that NCQ, write cache are enabled?
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And have you been through the RAID Utility that NCQ, write cache are enabled?
what is RAID Utility that NCQ ???
write cache are enabled???
how i do it in AMD ???
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What is RAIDXpert
Attached pictures, what it means?
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9008/59729093.png
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/5303/35067089.png
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5930/50223727.png
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1862/87477744.png
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/5783/25044390.png
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/6730/20357256.png
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/6112/70634254.png
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/707/24650937.png
http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/7910/59646839.png
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2804/81741477.png
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/158/73822165.png
I've made some changes on RAIDXpert
Here I've made changes in pictures
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/961/32100068.png
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/7610/31368507.png
Changes results:
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6579/64v6raidxpert.png
Improvement:
80MB read
13MB write
4K QD32 = There was great improvement in reading from 50 MB came to 200 MB write added only 10 MB
Questions:
1. What is Media Patrol Loop Count?
2. What's this? NCQ Enabled
3. What's Write Cache Enabled
4. Test what they say 512K or 4K terms or SEQ QD32
What this test :
http://localhost:25902/amd/screen.jsp
Does something have an idea how to improve more?
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Quote
There is a beta bios "FEB" that has updates for a new RAID ROM
Where ? I have the latest BIOS
FROM THE WEB GIGABYTE
I've updated at 16.10 to the BIOS to "FEB"
Now I saw a new BIOS " FE" name and NO changed the date
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/8318/52844000.png
THIS BIOS NOT WORK GOOD WITH THE Motherboard
Someone can write to manufacturer gigabyte and Tell them
That something changed the BIOS TO Wrong bios updates ???