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Questions about GIGABYTE products => Graphic cards => Topic started by: runn3R on June 26, 2009, 03:38:47 pm
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Hi All
Just tell us which GPUs do you prefer (by voting in the pool at the top) in VGAs and why (by replying to this post).
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ATI/AMD are my preference because they constantly push the Graphics boundries. Nvidia seem to re-badge and release the same stuff with a different sticker on the tin all the time.
SLI used to have the edge, but Crossfire is so much better now. I just wish AMD/ATI (what is the correct name for them now ???) would market their dual VGA better.
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i sticked to GeForces due to the problems i had in some games using old Radeons
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I like the 4800s because they were the first to 55 nm, DX 10.1 and GDDR5.
I have been through the following cards since I got my very first gaming PC:
ATI Rage Fury
Geforce 3
ATI 9600
ATI 9800 pro
2 x Geforce 6800's (when SLI was first released)
ATI X1800 XT
ATI X900 XT
ATI 3870
2 x ATI 3850 overclocked editions in crossfire
2 x ATI 4850 in Crossfire
And now my current 2 x Gigabyte 4870's. I just sell the old ones on Ebay and buy new every year lol. I'm addicted :(
So I'm mostly ATI, thugh I will get Nvidia when they push the boundaries and release something as good as the Geforce 3 and 6900's were again. Nice that my X58 supports both Crossfire + SLI, so I can choose whatever I want.
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I got a GTX295 in my main rig and a mobility HD4850, and so far have had many problems with the HD4850 in my laptop, like drivers won't install and the display driver will never update with a newer catalyst. Not sure why but never ever have this problem with any nvidia card. It has to use drivers from the cd that came with the laptop...
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I just went to view results. I buy whatevers best at the time and whats within my budget. My overclocked 8800GTX still does me fine :)
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I tend to prefer ATi. Its partly familiarity as most of the PCs I've had over the last few years (at work) have had some form of ATi chipset. Also, when looking for a new card for my new system I had a good read through the manuals for the ATi and NVidia cards in my price range and found the utilitites with the ATi cards far more user friendly. I therefore ended up with the GV-RV467D3-512I (the best I could afford at the time), an HD4670 based card with 512MB of GDDR3 memory that so far is doing all I want of it. I also have an old 'Time' P3 based laptop with a Rage P/M Mobility chipset and at work my HP laptop is also ATi powered using one of the Radeon chipsets, but I can't remember which. However, my favouite card, and one that I've been using for many years now, is a Matrox Millenium G200. It was extremely unusual as, at the time, it was one of only a tiny handful that came with drivers for some DOS programs and Windows 3.11, which allowed me to keep using older software whilst running the new 'cutting edge' Microsoft Windows 98. It also had one feature that I do miss with the new card. It enabled me to zoom in on part of the screen where the cursor was pointing at either 2x or 4x zoom using hot keys, which proved useful when looking at certain applications that didn't have inbuilt zooming . However, Matrox weren't on the list this time as they now only seem to supply top end cards at extreme prices that are outperformed by much cheaper offerings from ATi & NVidia.
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I am firmly ATI until NV sorts out its mess. Rebadging older cards as new ones, the horrible chip scandel with broken laptops (which is costing them their relationship with Apple), the complete farce of them not haveing dx10.1 cards at all and no DX11 cards before next year at the earliest.
NV was on top but got arrogant and complacent. When you start treating your customers as idiots you really really should be thinking twice.
ATI's 4000 range just destroys the NV cards and with DX11 cards soon to come i will be buying that to replace my ageing 8500GT. (Unless it croaks soon and then i'll snag a 4770 till the DX11 ones are out.)
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Nvidia only had a problem with one type of card in laptops, and obviously were quite dumb to still sell the problemed laptops...
DX10.1 is barely any better, and you can count the games that support it on a single hand.
At the moment, it is just rumours for the launch date of DX11 cards but I will bet my money that both ATi and Nvidia will launch within weeks of each other, as they won't want to be left behind.
Sure ATi's 4000 cards are competitive, but I think it is about time. They have finally caught up since the 8800gtx launched years ago to Nvidia, and people seem to like them because Nvidia is a larger company and ATi are the underdog. I like both, and I buy whatever is best at the time with my money. Anyone would be a fool to stick to be loyal to only one brand. I have owned many cards of each company even though I am quite young, always switching when the other takes the lead.
At the moment they seem to be roughly equal, Nvidia have better cards at the highest end but their prices are too high currently. I wouldn't say Ati destroys Nvidia with their 4000 series...
Some of ATi's cards are also rebranded, and it is designed to make it less confusing overall as the majority would not know which is better out of a 9800gtx and the GTX260...
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I refuse to buy an NV laptop as its across the range that are sold. NV lied and said they fixed it. If you go look at the apple support pages its fairly damming in the report about NV not fixing the issue and hence causing issues for Macs.
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2377
In July 2008, NVIDIA publicly acknowledged a higher than normal failure rate for some of their graphics processors due to a packaging defect. At that same time, NVIDIA assured Apple that Mac computers with these graphics processors were not affected. However, after an Apple-led investigation, Apple has determined that some MacBook Pro computers with the NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT graphics processor may be affected. If the NVIDIA graphics processor in your MacBook Pro has failed, or fails within three years of the original date of purchase, a repair will be done free of charge, even if your MacBook Pro is out of warranty.
The bolded bit is Apple saying NV lied. Lying to your customers and partners is NOT good for business. Fobbing off people saying "Out of warrenty" when its CLEARLY NV's defective parts is also not good practise. I have already had words with Acer about our laptop issues due to the chips in it. If it does die I'll be taking it to trading standards and demanding a replacement motherboard and providing them with these support pages.
I just wish that some would sell a Puma system (AMD cpu and ATI Gpu) That with 4gb of ram and i'd love it. Something like the 4770 inside it would be nice. Hell a 4550 would prob do.
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My laptop is decent, a P9500 and HD4850 mobility. What I like about it is that the BIOS supports overclocking by using a turbo button on the laptop which you press, and you can change the settings. When turbo is on the clock speed is raised from 2.53ghz to 3.2Ghz which is decent, and the 4Gb 800Mhz ram is overclocked to 1000Mhz!
The only problem I have is installing new drivers and I have never successfully installed any new driver ever...on vista or windows 7.
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Rebranded ATI cards are not given a new series name though.
They fell behind with the recent HD 2 and 3 ranges, but then even when NVidia had the shockingly horrible Geforce 5 series, they were still outselling ATI, particularly the even useless at the time 5200 in the low end, and no one really cared how much better ATI 9 and X1 series were during their time.
Then when ATI messed up with the Radeon HD 2, they lost a lot of customers. I just kept hold of my X1900 as there was no point to HD2 range, like I also skipped the X range.
Right now I wish I had waited for 4770s instead as they are really really good price to performance cards thanks to using GDDR5 on a cheaper 128 bit memory bandwidth and amazing overclockers with 40 nm core. Next I am going to wait for the DX11 equivalent to the 4770 which I am sure ATI will deliver, and if Tri Crossfire performance somehow increases over the next year ...
=D.
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I am waiting on lucid hydra, then you can get perfect scaling rather than relying on drivers.
I used to go with ATi, had the 9800pro then went to nvidia for the first time with the 7600gs, then they have seemed to be ahead since then just until recently.
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I always used to run Nvidia cards until my new build in Nov last year.
This time, I went for Gigabyte 4870X2 because for the money they seemed better than Nvidia offerings at the same price.
I must admit I do prefer the layout of Nvidia control panels for setting up prefences, but I've got the hang of ATI's CCC panel now.
If I ever think of upgrading again, then it will be whoever has the best card at the time for the money.
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Had nVidia for a while as they used to be better performance but now looking at a 5870 due to the fact I just don't like the current crop of nVidia cards
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Brand loyalty is stupid, You should look at them and get the card which suits your needs (or the fastest etc) rather than sticking with ATi or Nvidia...
I got a GTX295 as it was the fastest card, and had the money for it. I also managed to get another 27% boost from overclocking it, which made it more value for money :)
This time around, I might get ATi depending on how the GTX380 is, but at the moment the GTX380 sounds like a beast... More than twice the sp's of a GTX285, should put it to 50%+ faster in games and past the HD5870 by quite a margin. As long as the price remains competitive though...
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i wouldnt put its performance to be more than 20% over current NV cards. most of the extra transisters are for double precision which games do not use.
GT300 is not a gaming card. Its a hybrid CPU / number cruncher. Hence the science focus to NV;s last conferance.
NV have screwed up. Too much power, too big a die, too expensive a chip. They are already EOL'ing their top end cards as they cannot make the cards for the prices they are selling them at. The 295's are in extremely short supply (and stupidly expensive) so rather than selling them at a huge loss they are winding them up and hopeing Fermi will be on time and people will wait for it. (My estimation is late Q1 of 2010 if not Q2).
The 40nm deployment for NV was a clusterfsck. point in case? the pathetic gt210 cards wont even out do a 9600gt. Hell my 8500gt is almost as powerful as them. these are pure OEM or home theatre pc use only. Stupid thing is? ATI's 4650's beat them on price and power. 6months ago these cards might have sold. Today? there is zero reason to get one.
NV has a gap in their schedule and its growing. Unless the Fermi release goes as planned? It will get bigger and leave ATI with a clear field. Lets hope NV dont screw up anymore.
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Brand loyalty for the sake of brand loyalty is crazy and can prove very costly to the wallet in my view. It has to be all about the relationship between price/performance for me.
Currently I am running ATi cards on all my machine simply because they offer the best bang for bucks at present - for my needs. That means I have two HD48550 low profile cards in my two media systems and a single HD4870 IGB card in my game rig. I paid £104 for the HD4870 a few months ago and have been very happy with it.
Just to put things in perspective. Prior to April I was running a nVidia based 9800GTX on my gaming rig, sold that for pretty much what I paid for it and upgraded. Prior to that I had a nVidia 8800GT 320MB. Currently I am watching the pricing of the new HD58x0 generation of cards and will hopefully pick up a bargin in the new year. And so the process goes on. If nVidia come up with a card that is worth the money then I shall go that route. My wallet has no room for fanboy'ism so I completely passed on the 280GTX and 285GTX cycle due to the price factor.
Whoever makes the best card within a affordable price range is who gets my money.
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Although the Nvidia drivers are a lot better the ATi cards are always amazing, and overclock quite well also, like someone else said previously the constant re-badging of the same old cards with Nvidia is becoming a joke they are just ripping people off like their prices aren't already bad enough.
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NVIDIA FTW!!!!
My first NV card was the Geforce GO 7300(Not the best), but now I've got the GTX 480. It rocks
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Personally at the moment I prefer the ATI 5xxx series as they give the best "Bang per Buck" and I also like the eyefinity aspect. That doesn't mean that I would stick with ATI whatever but while I am getting more for my money then I will stay. I also don't like the heat and power draining issues that the big nVidia cards have, especially their flagship model. It is even outside the ATX standard because of it's power needs and size. So for now ATI Rules 8) 8) 8)
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Actually my first graphics cards didn't even run 3D, 2D only. When the first 3D games etc came along I bought a Matrox Millenium that had to be used alongside my 2D card. Then there was the Voodoo series that were a great leap forward.
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im on green side Nvidia > It's meant to be played ;)
except once i was always using Nvidia cards and i never,ever have any kind of trouble with them..
so if Nvidia does the job i am paying for to do and it worth it, in my point of view there is no reason to go with ati..
::)
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For my desktop I currently use Nvidia.
In my laptop I made sure that the laptop had ATi graphics due to the problems I heard about on a different forum.
The only reason why I went Nvidia with my desktop is due to some people recommending Nvidia cards to run with Linux Ubuntu. However, recently I decided to try and run Ubuntu on my laptop and it worked fine, so I might just change my mind if I get a new board. More importantly right now I need a decent monitor
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I just went to view results. I buy whatevers best at the time and whats within my budget. My overclocked 8800GTX still does me fine :)
You took the words right out of my mouth. "best at the time and whats within my budget"
BTW I did not vote as the needed third choice is missing.
Bill
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nvidia anytime
after trying a 5870 eyefinity 6 2 Gb version and getting lower framerates in games than my gtx 285
i think a GTX 580 is next on my shopping list as nvidia's drivers are much better to date we will have to see what the ccc rewrite is like when it is released
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The beta Preview version is available now. I haven't tried it personally but I have had good reports from others who are using it. ;)
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AMD, as they are now, just work. Maybe I have been lucky but they have never given me a problem in both Windows and Linux. The latest crop of Nvidia are certainly hotter and more power hungry. (In my box anyway). However each to their own and competition is good. ;)
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I'm not biased towards any brand or company, I personally just buy the best bang for buck that I can afford.
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Well I have just purchased a AMD Radeon 6970 and while it may not match up to the nVidia GTX 580 for brute strength it is a lot cheaper and well matches the GTX 570 whilst cooler and quieter. I also suspect that once the drivers are optimised it will increase it's standing in the ratings. 8)