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Questions about GIGABYTE products => Motherboards with AMD processors => Topic started by: soarwitheagles on December 13, 2010, 03:45:24 am
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Hi again!
Ok, the GIGABYTE On/Off Charge feature looked so good I thought I would give it a try. I think it was a big mistake...
After installing the GIGABYTE On/Off Charge feature, I noticed a number of strange things occur...
1. Somehow, another program called "Update Manager 32-bit" installed itself as well [and what is really strange about this, it appears in my control panel, but NOT in my "Add/Remove Program" feature of Control Manager.
2. My computer will not shut off now [all lights stay on and HD light shows HD is working it's bottom off].
Special Note: I am wondering if my Enermax Infiniti 720 PSU might have something to do with this...this PSU has a special function called "Cool Guard" which causes System Fans, CPU Fan, etc. to keep running for 1-3 minutes after shut down...
According to Enermax, they say this about the CoolGuard: The new patent feature, running not only PSU fan after shutdown, but all system fans to get the heat out of the system and increasing system lifetime by up to 20%.
It also has a feature called "Power Guard." Not sure if this had something to do with it too...
There is more about these features here: http://www.enermaxusa.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_52&products_id=118
Can anyone help me on this?
I uninstalled the GIGABYTE On/Off Charge feature but my system still will not shut down unless I turn off the power button on the PSU in the back...
Please help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My system was working perfect just prior to this blunder on my part!
Soar
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Hi Soar,
These add on programs can be a pain in the a*** especially if you don't get the use out of them. Did you really need to install this or was it simply a case of "well let's try it"?
You know what I always say ...If in doubt, leave it out!
Problem is these things are often easier to put on the system than remove. Does it show up in the Start Menu either? If it does maybe there is an uninstall routine attached.
I haven't tried this at all as I don't have anything that requires it to charge so I don't really know that much about it. As far as I am aware though the program works alright normally so I expect that your diagnosis is correct regarding the PSU. I always thoiught the power shut off delay was a good idea but it seems not in this case.
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Hi Soar,
These add on programs can be a pain in the a*** especially if you don't get the use out of them. Did you really need to install this or was it simply a case of "well let's try it"?
You know what I always say ...If in doubt, leave it out!
Problem is these things are often easier to put on the system than remove. Does it show up in the Start Menu either? If it does maybe there is an uninstall routine attached.
I haven't tried this at all as I don't have anything that requires it to charge so I don't really know that much about it. As far as I am aware though the program works alright normally so I expect that your diagnosis is correct regarding the PSU. I always thoiught the power shut off delay was a good idea but it seems not in this case.
I will scan for viruses and other malware just in case something was attached to the file. Then, I'll try a system restore to an earlier point in time. Hopefully that'll do it!
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GIGABYTE On/Off Charge is not supported with some early BIOS versions for both motherboards listed in your signature. An easy way to check what BIOS version your motherboard has is to run CPU-Z and click the on the mainboard tab and read the BIOS version.
http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html
The update manager is a downloadable Gigabyte utility that updates the Gigabyte On/Off Charge utility via the internet.
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GIGABYTE On/Off Charge is not supported with some early BIOS versions for both motherboards listed in your signature. An easy way to check what BIOS version your motherboard has is to run CPU-Z and click the on the mainboard tab and read the BIOS version.
http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html
The update manager is a downloadable Gigabyte utility that updates the Gigabyte On/Off Charge utility via the internet.
Tiger, thanks for the input. I did install the most recent BIOS in this system before I installed the OS [F6A]. Thanks for helping me understand what the update manager is all about.
I am not sure what is causing the problem.
I did just run extra malware scans and came up clean as a whistle...so I do not think that is the issue.
Not sure what happened...
I think I will severely limit my downloading and usage of Gigabyte's software in the future...
In the past their overclocking software has also caused me great trouble [Easy Tune 6].
Soar
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Special Update: after uninstalling the GIGABYTE On/Off Charge and running Crap Cleaner, my system is able to be shut down again [Whew]!
I do not understand why sometimes Gigabyte's software works wonders and at other times it causes untold problems [example: of the two times I installed Easy Tune 6, once it worked wonders and the other time it was the worst nightmare]. It is kinda like playing Russian Roulette ??? ??? ???...since I do not like the risk involved, I will abstain in the future. For me, it is not worth the risk! :-\
Hopefully Gigabyte will soon get a clue :o and rewrite the software so it can be reliable, trustworthy, and stable...until then, I am steering clear of their offered software!
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Ah, now you are getting the idea ;)
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Ah, now you are getting the idea ;)
Taken the silly old bugger long enough though DM.
How many times have we said "Don't install anything other than the basic drivers?" But do they listen? Do they heck!!!!
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Quite right absic, you try and tell them but they just don't listen.... ;)
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Quite right absic, you try and tell them but they just don't listen.... ;)
DM,
Some of us are very slow learners!
:P
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Never mind Soar, at least you got there in the end! To be honest nothing sticks in the mind like a hard lesson!!
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Hi Soar, Why are they calling you old.. ::)
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Never mind Soar, at least you got there in the end! To be honest nothing sticks in the mind like a hard lesson!!
DM, I know, I know! You know what really got me? One of the biggest advertisements for this 890XA-UD3 was its ability to triple charge through the USB jacks...well, between my wife and I, we have a number of electronics [IPOD, Cell phones, etc.] that would greatly benefit from a fast charge...
So, I threw caution to the wind and paid for it....I think I trust people and companies toooo much! Gigabyte should at least put the following words in fine print on the box: "The USB triple charge ability of this Motherboard would work excellent if we designed stable software to run it! Since our software is full of bugs and thugs, we recommend you not use it!"
And on their Easy Tune 6 they should state: "Use at your own risk. After installing ET6, many people experience BSOD's, terrible instability issues, fits of rage and anger, depression, deep regret and accompanying migraine headaches. We recommend you not use it if you are prone to violence, bouts of depression, and general overall confusion!"
DM, I forgot to ask you...did you install a fan controller in your HAF 932? If yes, which brand did you use? And last, but not least, where did you purchase the metal filters?
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Hi Soar, Why are they calling you old.. ::)
Jannie,
I am not sure...perhaps the Brain Synapse Computational Capacity diminishes as we get older?
I think it is either that or its because the synaptic connections in my neurons are no longer firing as fast or as frequently as in years past...
Not sure which one it is...
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Hi Soar, Why are they calling you old.. ::)
Jannie,
I am not sure...perhaps the Brain Synapse Computational Capacity diminishes as we get older?
I think it is either that or its because the synaptic connections in my neurons are no longer firing as fast or as frequently as in years past...
Not sure which one it is...
Hi Soar
Have you tried updating your BIOS to the latest version.... ;D
DM, I forgot to ask you...did you install a fan controller in your HAF 932? If yes, which brand did you use? And last, but not least, where did you purchase the metal filters?
Actually I did but seperate ones but they are just in the process of being replaced by a six fan controller that fits in the front bay. Lamptron are bringing out a very nice one soon that is touch screen and will run up to 30W per channnel. Should be out around Christmas for around $70. It's called the Lamptron FCT. You can see a review of it here:
http://www.azcs.co.uk/content.php/178-Lamptron-FC-TOUCH-Review
I got my screens/filters from this company that I always use for my fans, cooling parts etc and they are absolutley top notch but I am not sure if they will deliver to the States. Try asking Mick the owner or Alison, you will find them both very helpfull.
http://www.candccentral.co.uk/Koolance.html?sort=orderby
Actually I am just waiting for them to get the fan controller in.
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Hi Soar, Why are they calling you old.. ::)
Jannie,
I am not sure...perhaps the Brain Synapse Computational Capacity diminishes as we get older?
I think it is either that or its because the synaptic connections in my neurons are no longer firing as fast or as frequently as in years past...
Not sure which one it is...
Hi Soar
Have you tried updating your BIOS to the latest version.... ;D
DM, I forgot to ask you...did you install a fan controller in your HAF 932? If yes, which brand did you use? And last, but not least, where did you purchase the metal filters?
Actually I did but seperate ones but they are just in the process of being replaced by a six fan controller that fits in the front bay. Lamptron are bringing out a very nice one soon that is touch screen and will run up to 30W per channnel. Should be out around Christmas for around $70. It's called the Lamptron FCT. You can see a review of it here:
http://www.azcs.co.uk/content.php/178-Lamptron-FC-TOUCH-Review
I got my screens/filters from this company that I always use for my fans, cooling parts etc and they are absolutley top notch but I am not sure if they will deliver to the States. Try asking Mick the owner or Alison, you will find them both very helpfull.
http://www.candccentral.co.uk/Koolance.html?sort=orderby
Actually I am just waiting for them to get the fan controller in.
DM,
I would update my brain BIOS but people tell me if everything is working ok, you should stick with your present BIOS due to the risks involved in updating. Besides, I do not trust Qflash or @BIOS! I might wake up and think I am Absic or even worse, DM!
Thanks for the info on the fan controllers and dust filters...
I was able to find time to do a little more research, and I found all sorts of options...
The option that appealed most to me has one major drawback: The filters cost more the double the price I paid for my HAF 932!
Here's the scoop on these magnetic filters:
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11729
Please let me know what you think of them.
They appear really strange looking [as if they are from another planet]. The cost is $59! Maybe you and Absic and I could create a new company and make better filters and sell them for half the price. Then all three of us could retire to the Bahamas and live happily ever after...sipping tea and rum as we all own the best Gigabyte products that money can buy...
Ok, back to planet earth...
I will look at more fan controllers and filter options on this side of the pond [I think shipping from the UK would kill the deal for me].
Last, have you ever heard of the HAF 932 Black Edition? Or the HAF AMD 932 version? What do you think of these models?
Ok, I hope I have not worn out your Brain Synapse Computational Capacities in this post. :-[
Let me know if so!
Soar
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DM,
I would update my brain BIOS but people tell me if everything is working ok, you should stick with your present BIOS due to the risks involved in updating. Besides, I do not trust Qflash or @BIOS! I might wake up and think I am Absic or even worse, DM!
True enough, we are always telling people not to take chances where it is not necessary and in your case you wouldn't be gaining anything. Trouble is no Backup BIOS if anything goes wrong :'(
Thanks for the info on the fan controllers and dust filters...
I was able to find time to do a little more research, and I found all sorts of options...
The option that appealed most to me has one major drawback: The filters cost moreIe double the price I paid for my HAF 932!
Here's the scoop on these magnetic filters:
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11729
I have looked at these filters before and they are brilliant but I just felt a little bit of overkill for me as I don't suffer that much with dust any more since getting rid of the carpet and fitting the airlock to enter the office. (well maybe I exaggerated a bit on the last one). They are the same as they use in surgery to keep it clean.
They appear really strange looking [as if they are from another planet]. The cost is $59! Maybe you and Absic and I could create a new company and make better filters and sell them for half the price. Then all three of us could retire to the Bahamas and live happily ever after...sipping tea and rum as we all own the best Gigabyte products that money can buy...
Sound pretty good to me Soar and nothing wrong with dreaming. We all need our fantasies to keep us sane in this mad world.
Last, have you ever heard of the HAF 932 Black Edition? Or the HAF AMD 932 version? What do you think of these models?
I have seen the HAF 932 AMD version that is painted a red colour and personally I didn't like it but that is my choice I am sure some people would love it. I haven't come across the Black Edition but I would imagine that it is just what the original should have been...painted black inside and out and maybe with smoked perspex at the top for the window.
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DM,
Thanks for the reply! I am still debating what to do with this new HAF 932. I think it is the Black Edition, but I will need to take it out of the box to be sure.
The GIGABYTE On/Off Charge program did show up in the start menu [that is how I first found it]! There was no uninstaller attached. But using Crap Cleaner, I was able to uninstall it. So lesson learned.
You do not charge electronics in the UK using your computer...
Interesting. Ok, what do you use? Simple wall plug or solar powered bicycle? How green are you guys?
I do have another question:
How do I do multiple quotes like you and Absic do? I do not see the multiple quote button in this forum as in other forums...
Can you help me out on this?
Thanks,
Soar
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Hi Soar,
I use the wall plugs that come with the device normally to re-charge them when needed. I have plenty of wall sockets so it is not any inconvenience.
Anyway how can you talk about being GREEN when you are an American 5 and 6 litre cars or more do I need to continue? ;)
The multiple quotes I just put in manually as I find that way the quickest. You just have to type in "[qu ote]" before the quote and "[/quote]" afterwards minus the quotation marks and the space in the first word.
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Hi Soar,
I use the wall plugs that come with the device normally to re-charge them when needed. I have plenty of wall sockets so it is not any inconvenience.
Anyway how can you talk about being GREEN when you are an American 5 and 6 litre cars or more do I need to continue? ;)
The multiple quotes I just put in manually as I find that way the quickest. You just have to type in "[qu ote]" before the quote and "
" afterwards minus the quotation marks and the space in the first word.
[/quote]
DM,
Thanks for helping me understand how to do the multiple quotes DM!
Green? Uh, personally, I prefer red, blue, and yellow [as in red RAM, blue motherboard, and yellow smiley faces] :P :P :P :-*
Green actually leaves a bad taste in my mouth as in Green Peace, Green Party, Green Face [as in the Wicked Witch of the East], and Green Goblins!!! Oh my!
I like cars with the speed of a 5-6 liter size motor, but sip gas like a Toyota Prius! But, where oh where can we find one?
That is a good question!
;D
PS You guys are still the best!
PSS I was only joking when I mentioned green rechargables in prior post. Please do not take it personally! I am all for renewable energy and I do not drive a Hummer here... but I do feel unhappy about some recent developments here in California...
Perhaps I am over sensitive on the matter because today California just passed a huge law on "greenhouse gases" the very first in our nation, and yet it is so vague that it leaves gigantic loop holes for exploitation and thievery [as in giving our politicians more power to increase our already high taxes]!
Woe! How did we get so far off subject here DM? Jumping from the GIGABYTE On/Off Charge to "greenhouse gases" was quite a leap!
:-X I apologize!!! :-X
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No offence taken Soar, just having a laugh. I must admit I like big blocks myself but not the cost of running them especially over here. Petrol is the equivalent of 1.80 Dollars a litre! :'( :'( :'( Our government has most of that in tax.
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No offence taken Soar, just having a laugh. I must admit I like big blocks myself but not the cost of running them especially over here. Petrol is the equivalent of 1.80 Dollars a litre! :'( :'( :'( Our government has most of that in tax.
DM, now that is downright robbery! Wow! And I thought we had it bad! Our gas prices just rose above $3.00 per gallon and we feel that is outrageous!
On the brighter side of things...
Have you or Absic any insights into Zalman PSU's? I have found a good price on them and I am thinking about purchasing some.
Here it is:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=17-379-007&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Page=3#scrollFullInfo
Please let me know what you think.
Thanks,
Soar
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Hi Soar
$3.00 a gallon! I can only remember that price about 20 years or more ago. :'(
Zalman PSUs are fairly well made (not by themselves of course) but the only personal experience I have had af them was not good. I purchased a 750W silent heatpipe version to power my present build but found it totally inadequate and had to replace it with a Corsair. It is running my backup system now but just about anything would run that so I can't say that is a good reference.
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Hi Soar,
I've used Zalman PSU's a couple of times and never had a problem with them. Mind you, they were for pretty standard builds and nothing over the top. If the price is really good then I think they are worth getting hold of.
If you want to ship one over for me to use in a new build I'm putting together for my old mum I wouldn't object. ;)
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You keep trying absic it might pay off in the end and you can put it with all the other goodies that people send you ;D
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Always the optimist me. :D
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Hi Soar,
I've used Zalman PSU's a couple of times and never had a problem with them. Mind you, they were for pretty standard builds and nothing over the top. If the price is really good then I think they are worth getting hold of.
If you want to ship one over for me to use in a new build I'm putting together for my old mum I wouldn't object. ;)
AB and DM,
Thanks for the input!
So sorry, but shipping costs would be astronomical, so if I bought and shipped one of these units to you my shoes would squeak even louder, and my Uncle Scrooge would not like that at all!
I am trying to pick up some Kaspersky licenses for you two. Please let me know which Anti-virus software you like and would use or use on your customer's computers. Also let me know if you prefer only anti-virus software or if you prefer the full internet security suite. Just promise me you will not leak the info via Wiki to my Uncle Scrooge!
Oh, I ordered only one of the Zalmon 850's. The price is below $90. I think I will test one unit before purchasing large numbers of these units. Most places are selling them in excess of $200 here in the US. So I am trying to figure out why my vendor is offering me such a great deal on these.
The reviews seem to be very good. Who knows, if I buy/sell enough of them then maybe I can afford the new Bulldozer chip that is about to be released!
Early Christmas anyone?
Up, up, and away!
Soar
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As you say Soar the price seems to good to be true but then again you do seem to get a great deal on certain things over there. I would just advise you to check they are the current model and haven't been superceded because of some problem. If you can post the model number I will see what I can find out about them.
I am not sure if the Bulldozer CPU will be on time as I have heard conflicting reports on it's release. Still it is something to look forward to. I am even tempted to build an AMD system around it when it comes out. See what the performance is really like.
Kaspersky Internet Security would be very gratefully received Soar as that is what I use now and quite by chance was looking at it today online as my renewal is due early next year. Not a word to Uncle Scrooge nobody but you and me will know anything about it!
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As you say Soar the price seems to good to be true but then again you do seem to get a great deal on certain things over there. I would just advise you to check they are the current model and haven't been superceded because of some problem. If you can post the model number I will see what I can find out about them.
I am not sure if the Bulldozer CPU will be on time as I have heard conflicting reports on it's release. Still it is something to look forward to. I am even tempted to build an AMD system around it when it comes out. See what the performance is really like.
Kaspersky Internet Security would be very gratefully received Soar as that is what I use now and quite by chance was looking at it today online as my renewal is due early next year. Not a word to Uncle Scrooge nobody but you and me will know anything about it!
DM,
Thanks for the reply. Ok, I will keep my eyes open for a 1-3 license version of Kaspersky IS 2010. Please be patient with me and is it acceptable if I send you the key [you will be able to download the program from Kaspersky online]?
Last, here is the info on the Zalmon. I am interested in purchasing many units:
ZALMAN ZM850-HP 850W Power Supply Retail
ZM850-HP is an ultra-quiet power supply that complies with ATX12V Version 2.2, and supports the latest dual-core CPUs(Intel Core2 series/AMD Athlon64-X2 series), as well as the latest dual graphic card systems(NVIDIA® SLI®-Ready Certified).Dual heatpipes with ultra-high cooling performance incorporated on the main heat sources enable high load operation even at low fan RPM for a dramatic reduction in noise levels. By implementing Active PFC(Power Factor Correction), the Power Factor (PF) is improved up to 99% while harmful harmonic frequencies are reduced to meet the Line Harmonic Distortion Requirement of IEC61000-3-2 Class D Specification.
General
Type ATX
Packaging Retail
Specification
# of Fans 1
Output Capacity 850W
6 Pin PCI-E Connectors 4
8 Pin PCI-E Connectors 2
S-ATA Connectors 9
Feature
PFC Active
Fanless No
Cabling Support Yes
Dual Core CPU Support Yes
Quad Core CPU Support Yes
Quad GPU Ready Yes
SLI/CrossFire Support SLI/CrossFire
Manufacturer SKU: ZM850-HP
I can PM you the vendor after I do the purchase if you are interested.
Jonnyguru did a very good write up/review on the 600w model [nearly 4 years ago]. You can read about it here:
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=30
Please let me know what you think of these units.
Thanks,
Soar
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Always the optimist me. :D
Absic,
I like positive people and that is what is so nice about coming here to this forum...you guys are positive on a consistent basis and I appreciate each of you.
Thanks for your insight into these Zalmon's. Am I correct in assuming they are not in the same league as Corsair, but several notches lower?
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Hi Soar, Thanks I will look foward to the Kaspersky key when you can get one.
I think it might be worth checking this review from Anadtech as they are a very reliable reviewer. Of particular interest is the last comment by someone who had problems with them and I think it would be worth further investigatiion if you are thinking of buying in quantity.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2558
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Hi Soar, Thanks I will look foward to the Kaspersky key when you can get one.
I think it might be worth checking this review from Anadtech as they are a very reliable reviewer. Of particular interest is the last comment by someone who had problems with them and I think it would be worth further investigatiion if you are thinking of buying in quantity.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2558
DM,
That was a shocking revelation! So shocking it scared me into NOT purchasing large quantities of this unit!
Wow! Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I would have been in trouble attempting to sell those units if they make that high squealing noise as the anandtech/utube video revealed.
No wonder they are letting these units go at such a low price.
Although I did purchase one of these units, I'm not touching them in large quantities!
Thanks,
Soar
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Goes to show the value of research and asking others for their input.
Sometimes we can wander down the purchasing path with blinkers on, especially if we have our mind set on a particular item or we believe that we are getting a good deal. As with all bargains there is often a catch that we are not aware of and the old caveat "Buyer beware" springs to mind.
ps thanks for the offer of AV Soar but I already have mine in place, I use NOD32 and my licence runs until well into next year. ;)
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Goes to show the value of research and asking others for their input.
Sometimes we can wander down the purchasing path with blinkers on, especially if we have our mind set on a particular item or we believe that we are getting a good deal. As with all bargains there is often a catch that we are not aware of and the old caveat "Buyer beware" springs to mind.
ps thanks for the offer of AV Soar but I already have mine in place, I use NOD32 and my licence runs until well into next year. ;)
Thanks Absic and lesson learned before the purchase rather than after the purchase of large quantities.
May I ask why you like the NOD32?
Thanks,
Soar
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Hi Soar,
being honest I don't have a preference with my AV. I have been using NOD32 for several years now and have never had a problem with viruses or any other attacks. It also has a small install footprint which was one of the reasons I started using it in the first place. I also got a good deal on a multi-user licence a couple of years ago and as I am responsible for many builds I have found it prudent to stick with it, for the time being.
However, I have been running Microsoft Security Essentials on a recent laptop purchase and have been very impressed with it. For one thing it is free (if you have a legitimate copy of Windows) and so far, after 3 months of testing, I have not had a problem with being hit. In the future I may switch to this AV as it is also quick to initialise and doesn't take up a lot of system resources.
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Hi Soar,
being honest I don't have a preference with my AV. I have been using NOD32 for several years now and have never had a problem with viruses or any other attacks. It also has a small install footprint which was one of the reasons I started using it in the first place. I also got a good deal on a multi-user licence a couple of years ago and as I am responsible for many builds I have found it prudent to stick with it, for the time being.
However, I have been running Microsoft Security Essentials on a recent laptop purchase and have been very impressed with it. For one thing it is free (if you have a legitimate copy of Windows) and so far, after 3 months of testing, I have not had a problem with being hit. In the future I may switch to this AV as it is also quick to initialise and doesn't take up a lot of system resources.
Absic,
Thanks for the info. Well, you are a truly blessed computer techie! I have had problems with viruses, hacks, trojan horses, malware, you name it since the 1990's!
I grew up in Silicon Vally. My mom and dad's home is within walking distance to Apple's headquarters. In the beginning I was deceived into thinking Norton was the virus Savior of the world...what a huge blunder on my part! I can still remember when Norton wrote an anti-virus program that was darn near impossible to remove from your computer once it was installed! The bloatware factor was off the charts, and forget about any real true protection. The worst part of all is I did some work for them in the 1990's and thought they were pretty good guys [sound proofing some of their buildings and rooms, etc.]. After it was all over I wanted to take their install disc and send it to Pluto forever and ever!
They really messed a lot of things up but in the past 3 years have done a lot in rewriting their programs and greatly reducing the bloat ware factor...still, you could not pay me to ever use they software again. In the antivirus industry you cannot afford to attempt to ride on past successes...you must remain on the cutting edge or you are history!
Kaspersky, BitDefender, Webroot and NOD32 seem to top the charts here for the last couple of years...yet I have had problems with both Kaspersky and BitDefender both! I often receive free licenses for Kaspersky, BitDefender and Webroot but now i refuse to use them.
I switched everything over to Microsoft's SE at the beginning of the year and now no problems at all and best of all, it is 100% free!
[Good job Bill]!
Hey, maybe we can devote a segment of this forum to antivirus chat and such. It is a big deal now-a-days and perhaps it can help people who are looking for some honest answers.
Anyway, I did not mean to go off on an anti- antivirus bunny path.
So sorry!
Soar