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Questions about GIGABYTE products => Motherboards with AMD processors => Topic started by: soarwitheagles on February 02, 2011, 02:33:28 am
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Hi everyone!
Well, Gigabyte has returned my once dead Gigabyte 890XA-UD3 v.1 last week after RMA'ing it. It worked perfect for some months. The problem seemed to have begun immediately after I installed a Galaxy 465 GTX. The MB went dead immediately after I installed the Galaxy 465 GTX and never lit up again.
Gigabyte graciously let me RMA it to them, but as usual, they did not tell me what they found or what was wrong with it.
After calling them and pressing them about it the RMA department told me it was a BIOS issue...something I find very difficult to believe!
Anyway, can someone here help me know exactly how to start the testing again?
I thought about installing the CPU [1055T] the H70 CPU cooler, the RAM, GPU, PSU, the wires for the on/off from the front header and nothing else.
Does this sound like a good plan or should I hook up more/less items [should I hook up the SSD with the OS]?
Can someone help me with this please? What is the best sequential order for this test and hopefully genuine resurrection?
I am doing my very best to somehow get the best system I have ever owed working again after being down and dead for weeks.
My Sandybridge dreams have been shattered and put on hold [just as 8 million other people], so this AMD system is the best I have at this moment.
Sure would be nice to get it up and running stable again.
It's me,
Hoping for a powerful and stable resurrection...
Soar
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Hi Soar,
I think, I would go for a very simple build with just the bare minimum of components just to get the thing back up and running.
I would double check which version of BIOS your motherboard is now running and, if needed, update to the latest version before trying to blow it up again with the 465 GTX.
Now repeat after me AMD good. Intel Bad! AMD good. Intel bad! ;)
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Now repeat after me AMD good. Intel Bad! AMD good. Intel bad!
Absic: You and my Son would get along famously...lol
Soar: For what it's worth...
http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,4332.0.html
Goodluck with your project..
jolphil
PS Like that salmon or Trout(I can't tell which).. It looks awesome..
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Now repeat after me AMD good. Intel Bad! AMD good. Intel bad!
I must admit that at the moment I am not sure that I don't agree with you! :'( Stupid Sandy Bridges!!!!
If only they knew how much extra work they make for me. >:(
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Hi Soar,
I think, I would go for a very simple build with just the bare minimum of components just to get the thing back up and running.
I would double check which version of BIOS your motherboard is now running and, if needed, update to the latest version before trying to blow it up again with the 465 GTX.
Now repeat after me AMD good. Intel Bad! AMD good. Intel bad! ;)
Absic, thanks for the reply and I will go with the bare minimum components as you have suggested. But please answer one question: How could the problem have been the BIOS if we couldn't even get the system to light up and POST?
And yes, I keep chanting AMD, AMD, AMD ever since the Intel recall. The problem now is this: My Sandy Bridge CPU keeps calling my name over and over again...day and night...and it keeps promising me stable speeds of 4.5 GHz without even breaking a sweat!
I just keep looking at it with one eye on the sealed 2500K box...and the other eye on that GA P67A-UD3...both of which are still sealed and not opened...
To be honest with you...it sure is tempting!
Soar
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Now repeat after me AMD good. Intel Bad! AMD good. Intel bad!
Absic: You and my Son would get along famously...lol
Soar: For what it's worth...
http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,4332.0.html
Goodluck with your project..
jolphil
PS Like that salmon or Trout(I can't tell which).. It looks awesome..
Jolphil,
Thanks for that url to your other post. I will consider using the set up you suggested there.
Oh, about the fish...trout very rarely get that big, although I do have a good friend who landed a Steelhead trout in Canada that weighed in at 52 lbs. That is a once in a life time catch even for avid fishermen.
The fish in my signature pic is actually a Chinook [King] Salmon. I caught it as well as many, many others on the Feather River here in California. It weighed in around 38 lbs but I've caught bigger. California has had a problem with low Salmon returns now for 3 years in a row so some parts of the rivers have been shut down due to low Salmon runs. It appears to be getting better so hopefully all rivers will be open this year for lots of Salmon catching.
Oh, how do you catch them? Simple: Chinook do not eat once they leave the ocean and head up the fresh water rivers...but they are very angry fish. They become easily irritated. So, you throw a line in river with a #2 hook, a one ounce slip sinker and with two beads on it. When the line passes through the Salmon's mouth, they feel irritated so they bite down real hard. When this happens, your fishing rod rocks violently forward. You pull back with all your strength and "set" the hook. Then, you are in for a wild fight. Some of the larger Salmon can require one full hour or more to bring to the shore. [You have to wear them out before they wear you out].
Anyway, it is lots of fun and also a great work out too!
California Trout on the other hand are much more careful and not so angry. Thus, it takes more skill to catch them. With time and patience, you can land them too. I included a pic below of California's best tasting trout of all...the German Brown Trout...yummy!
Have a good one!
Soar
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Now repeat after me AMD good. Intel Bad! AMD good. Intel bad!
I must admit that at the moment I am not sure that I don't agree with you! :'( Stupid Sandy Bridges!!!!
If only they knew how much extra work they make for me. >:(
Yeah, I agree! I decided to put my Sandy Bridge and UD3 on the shelf and go fishing [I am very happy to say that California fish have no problems whatsoever with Intel bugs and defective SATA II ports]!
AAAAAUUUUUUGGGGGHHHHHHH!
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thanks for the reply and I will go with the bare minimum components as you have suggested. But please answer one question: How could the problem have been the BIOS if we couldn't even get the system to light up and POST?
And yes, I keep chanting AMD, AMD, AMD ever since the Intel recall. The problem now is this: My Sandy Bridge CPU keeps calling my name over and over again...day and night...and it keeps promising me stable speeds of 4.5 GHz without even breaking a sweat!
I just keep looking at it with one eye on the sealed 2500K box...and the other eye on that GA P67A-UD3...both of which are still sealed and not opened...
To be honest with you...it sure is tempting!
Soar
Hi Soar,
to answer your question..... it's a computer! I have come across many strange things whilst building/repairing PC's and I have learnt to rule nothing out. As Gigabyte have repaired your motherboard I suggested checking your BIOS version as it might have been reflashed during the repair process to an earlier version, that's all.
Now what on earth are you going to do with speeds of 4.5GHz???? Sorry mate but you can't even get one PC to remain solid what chance do you have with an F1 PC? ??? No, I think it's best if you ship the CPU and Mobo over to England for DM to look after for you. I'm sure he would also like some RAM, GPU, PSU, Case, Etc. :D
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The fish in my signature pic is actually a Chinook [King] Salmon. I caught it as well as many, many others on the Feather River here in California. It weighed in around 38 lbs but I've caught bigger.
Wow!!! A lifelong dream for me..
Oh, how do you catch them? Simple: Chinook do not eat once they leave the ocean and head up the fresh water rivers...but they are very angry fish. They become easily irritated. So, you throw a line in river with a #2 hook, a one ounce slip sinker and with two beads on it. When the line passes through the Salmon's mouth, they feel irritated so they bite down real hard. When this happens, your fishing rod rocks violently forward. You pull back with all your strength and "set" the hook. Then, you are in for a wild fight. Some of the larger Salmon can require one full hour or more to bring to the shore. [You have to wear them out before they wear you out].
Man , that's interesting to learn..Thanks for the information..
You have to wear them out before they wear you out
Yes I have caught some bruisers that strain the biceps...Eastern black drum..Not as wild fighting fish,but a strong heavy fight..About 85 pounds or so with heavy rod..They will break lesser ones like a twig..
Thanks again for the fishing breif..Good luck with your project.. :)
jolphil
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thanks for the reply and I will go with the bare minimum components as you have suggested. But please answer one question: How could the problem have been the BIOS if we couldn't even get the system to light up and POST?
And yes, I keep chanting AMD, AMD, AMD ever since the Intel recall. The problem now is this: My Sandy Bridge CPU keeps calling my name over and over again...day and night...and it keeps promising me stable speeds of 4.5 GHz without even breaking a sweat!
I just keep looking at it with one eye on the sealed 2500K box...and the other eye on that GA P67A-UD3...both of which are still sealed and not opened...
To be honest with you...it sure is tempting!
Soar
Hi Soar,
to answer your question..... it's a computer! I have come across many strange things whilst building/repairing PC's and I have learnt to rule nothing out. As Gigabyte have repaired your motherboard I suggested checking your BIOS version as it might have been reflashed during the repair process to an earlier version, that's all.
Now what on earth are you going to do with speeds of 4.5GHz???? Sorry mate but you can't even get one PC to remain solid what chance do you have with an F1 PC? ??? No, I think it's best if you ship the CPU and Mobo over to England for DM to look after for you. I'm sure he would also like some RAM, GPU, PSU, Case, Etc. :D
DM,
Thanks for your reply. Well, I still do not understand how a corrupted BIOS could make my MOBO completely dead, no lights, no POST. Sounds a bit strange to me...
What will I do with 4.5 GHz?
1. Be happy because I have an even faster PC!
2. Have the options of playing any game without slow downs if I should choose to do so.
3. Shorten video encoding times
4.Smile with great satisfaction because I know my Intel PC is much, much faster than Absic's very slow AMD!
Finally, shall I ship my computer to England? No, I need it here!
Neener, neener!
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You have to wear them out before they wear you out
Yes I have caught some bruisers that strain the biceps...Eastern black drum..Not as wild fighting fish,but a strong heavy fight..About 85 pounds or so with heavy rod..They will break lesser ones like a twig..
Thanks again for the fishing breif..Good luck with your project.. :)
jolphil
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jolphil,
May I ask our nation of residence and what is a black drum?
Soar
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May I ask our nation of residence and what is a black drum?
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/wild/species/blackdrum/
This will give you a idea of what it is..When I was younger I fished the Delaware Bay for sea trout and Black drum..Using surf clams as bait and bottom fishing from an anchored boat.. you would fish from around sundown through the evening till morning..When a school of drum would pass near, you can hear them and it sounded like someone beating a bass drum..The saying around the area was"when the dogwood bloom,the drum will boom" We called small ones "puppy Drum" and they were released to let them grow up.. They feed vertically with tail up and head facing down bouncing along the bottom with the tide for food..They migrate up the Atlantic coast
and go into the bays probability to spawn..Rather than dig up an old picture of me and my catch I goggled to show what it look like..
They were skinned and cut into steaks or even smoked...Not as tasty as trout and even flounder but still very nice ..
Heres what they look like..
http://www.flyfishlouisiana.com/louisiana_black_drum.htm
Happy Fishing, :)
jolphil
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Jolphil,
Wow! That was a cool picture of the Black Drum fish...very interesting too.
Thanks for the info and you must have had lots of fun catching those Black Drums years ago! It looks as if they put up a great fight!
Thanks for the pics and thanks for the good luck wishes for my new build.
After reading lots of posts in many different forums and reading my vendor's statement of commitment about Intel's defective chips in the Mobo's, I am beginning to lean toward building this new rig with the defective Mobo and use it until the replacement ships. My vendor recommends we continue to use the Mobo until they can ship the replacement. I thought that was rather nice of them!
I just picked up XFX's 850 watt Black Edition PSU manufactured by Seasonic and I thought it would go well with the Sandy Bridge.
I also hope to reassemble this Gigabyte 890XA-UD3 v.1 with the AMD 1055T this weekend and see if it works again.
To be honest with you, I am beginning to lose some faith in Gigabyte motherboards. For years past I have never had to RMA a Mobo [some people call it luck, but I always thought working components that are reliable can and should be the standard]. Recently, I have had to RMA a number of the Gigabyte Mobo's back to them and it has begun to be a little frustrating.
I have seriously begun to research other Mobo manufacturers such as ASUS, MSI,ASRock, Elitegroup, Intel, etc. but I am not sure how well their customer support and/or forums work.
I like this Gigabyte Forum because most of the time Absic and DM are very nice [notice I said MOST of the time]. They make the process much more fun and enjoyable! It is really nice to be able to chat with them any day of any week. They are always here for us and have a great sense of humor too.
Have a great day Jolphil and I hope you can catch more of those fish!
Soar
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Hi Soar,
Thank you for your kind words and feelings for the forum, Absic and I (well MOST of them)! ;D
I totally agree with your sentiment that when you buy something new it should just work stragiht out of the box. THe trouble is as these computer get faster and more complex they bring with them a plethora of problems that we wouldn't have had on the older ones. The memory is a good case in point. Years ago any old RAM would work in just about any motherboard and you didn't have to research whether it was compatible with this particular chipset on your mobo.
I think you have a slightly bias view of Gigabyte boards as you have been using them recently and spending a lot of time on the forum where you see all the problems come to the surface. It can give you an jaundiced view. Try spending some time on the Asus forum and you will find the same. I will say that Gigabyte are much better than Asus when it comes to Technical support (well apart from the time it takes to answer) and for RMAs.
Obviously I can't speak for all the other manufacturers but I am sure they are all fairly much the same in general.
As they say "You pays your money and takes your choice"!
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DM quote
THe trouble is as these computer get faster and more complex they bring with them a plethora of problems that we wouldn't have had on the older ones. The memory is a good case in point. Years ago any old RAM would work in just about any motherboard and you didn't have to research whether it was compatible with this particular chipset on your mobo.
I could not agree more ..This is my very first GB MoBo and I came from the A's..They also have their problems..I have yet to find any forum that is more helpful than this one..Both moderators as well as users like us..
The entire industry is rushing to bring out the" NEWEST and BEST" from chip Manufacturers to board makers..Unfortunately the
consumers have to "pick up the pieces"..To be fair though,the advances in home computers has been phenomenal..
I am in awe in my lifetime, how the electronics industry has advanced..I find that rather exciting..
Take care,
jolphil
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Hi Soar,
Thank you for your kind words and feelings for the forum, Absic and I (well MOST of them)! ;D
I totally agree with your sentiment that when you buy something new it should just work stragiht out of the box. THe trouble is as these computer get faster and more complex they bring with them a plethora of problems that we wouldn't have had on the older ones. The memory is a good case in point. Years ago any old RAM would work in just about any motherboard and you didn't have to research whether it was compatible with this particular chipset on your mobo.
I think you have a slightly bias view of Gigabyte boards as you have been using them recently and spending a lot of time on the forum where you see all the problems come to the surface. It can give you an jaundiced view. Try spending some time on the Asus forum and you will find the same. I will say that Gigabyte are much better than Asus when it comes to Technical support (well apart from the time it takes to answer) and for RMAs.
Obviously I can't speak for all the other manufacturers but I am sure they are all fairly much the same in general.
As they say "You pays your money and takes your choice"!
DM,
Thank you much for giving me a new perspective on the MB industry. Ok, I'll stay with Gigabyte since you say they are the very best [but are you sure your nose isn't growing when you say Gigabyte is better]?
BTW, I keep trying to do multiple posts here but still do not know how...can you help me please?
Thanks,
Soar
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DM quote
THe trouble is as these computer get faster and more complex they bring with them a plethora of problems that we wouldn't have had on the older ones. The memory is a good case in point. Years ago any old RAM would work in just about any motherboard and you didn't have to research whether it was compatible with this particular chipset on your mobo.
I could not agree more ..This is my very first GB MoBo and I came from the A's..They also have their problems..I have yet to find any forum that is more helpful than this one..Both moderators as well as users like us..
The entire industry is rushing to bring out the" NEWEST and BEST" from chip Manufacturers to board makers..Unfortunately the
consumers have to "pick up the pieces"..To be fair though,the advances in home computers has been phenomenal..
I am in awe in my lifetime, how the electronics industry has advanced..I find that rather exciting..
Take care,
jolphil
Jolphil,
You are absolutely right! I grew up in Silicon Valley and you can actually feel the "go faster" pressure there. Apple headquarters was a half mile from our house. Intel's headquarters was 10 miles away and AMD' HQ was 15 miles away. You can actually feel the pressure of the computer industry there. The computer industry has had a profound effect upon real estate as well there. My parents house that cost only $70,000 some years ago is now worth $2 million.
You say DM and Absic are the best moderators in the world...ok, how much did they pay you to say that and are they giving you any fringe benefits?
BTW are you from Texas or the East Coast?
Soar
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Hi Soar
Gigabyte are certainly as good as any other manufacturer out there and iin some ways better (I mean none of the others have absic and I to help them sort out their problems ;D).
When you ask about multiple posts, I take it that what you really mean is multiple quotes in a single post? If that is right send me an email so I have your address again as I misplaced it.
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BTW are you from Texas or the East Coast?
Soar
Soar
I grew up from South New Jersey but later in life lived in Calif.(LA Area) for a very short time..Then back to the East Coast..
About 21 years ago I retired and moved to Central Florida..(21 years? Has it been that long?)
Old dude,
jolphil :)
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BTW are you from Texas or the East Coast?
Soar
Soar
I grew up from South New Jersey but later in life lived in Calif.(LA Area) for a very short time..Then back to the East Coast..
About 21 years ago I retired and moved to Central Florida..(21 years? Has it been that long?)
Old dude,
jolphil :)
Jolphil,
Wow! Jersey and Florida! I remember Florida for the warmth and citrus. Nice place to live. I do not know much about New Jersey but I remember it as close to New York. It must have been a nice place to live.
So now you have an excellent hobby of computer building and you must enjoy it a lot! What do you like most about it? I enjoy searching for components, the build process, and best of all, when I turn it on and it works well! I noticed I feel very satisfied after building a new system and it works well. It is fun.
Enjoy the good weather there Jolphil! Enjoy your new build too! BTW, what exactly have you built there for your computer? Mine are listed in my signature. I am presently wanting to put together Intel's 2500K and Gigabyte's GA P67-UD3 both of which are sitting on my desk, calling my name, and looking at me everyday!
Soar
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Hey everyone!
I just found another problem as I was preparing to put the bare essentials together tonight...I was shocked at what I found...the Corsair H70 was leaking water profusely at the attachment point where the intake hose meets the motor...fortunate for me I noticed it just as I was about to attach the H70 to the processor and motherboard...what gave it away in an obvious manner is the smell...it smells exactly like anti-freeze from my truck and van.
I think this is a computer builder's worst nightmare!
The good news is that I smelled and saw the drops of water dripping off the attachment point before attaching the H70. I am certain it would have caused a massive shortage. The bad news is that I must now either wait until I purchase a new H70 or receive a new H70 RMA'd to my home. Either way, this just put be back another couple of days....AAAAAUUUUGGGGHHHHH!
Well, best to have discovered droplets leaking off the H70 now rather than many more droplets coming out my eyes as I see my nice 890XA-UD3 go up in smoke!
At this very moment, the water keeps dripping out slowly but surely, one drop after another after I set it on my workbench. I have counted 3-4 drops in the last hour. I am totally new to water cooling so I have some questions:
1. Do H70's leak often?
2. What would cause my H70 to leak?
3. Why does the fluid smell so strongly like anti-freeze?
4. Why does it keep dripping [is the unit under pressure or something like that]?
5. What should I do now?
Someone please give me some help.
Soar
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Hi Soar,
I haven't heard of any leaking before but of course the H70 is fairly new and they might have changes the spec a bit since the H50. One thing I did notice though is that there is no pipe clips on there. This is a big no no for watercoolers in general and I reckon with a couple of well placed clips your problem wouldn't have arisen in the first place.
Obviously what you doo about it now is up to you but the options are to place a couple of clips or even cable ties as ar often used around the pipes or wait and RMA it. Either way a couple of clips/ties to make sure it doesn't happen again would be prudent.
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Hi Soar,
As DM says a couple of cable ties or clips will solve the problem but I wouldn't try and do anything with your current H70. These are sold as sealed units and any coolant leakage can't be replaced. I would hold off on your rebuild until you can RMA it.
Of course, another option is to do what I did and avoid any water based cooling by getting a decent Air Cooler! ;)
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With how cool new CPUs and GPUs run I'm also more inclined towards air cooling. Much less troublesome and unless you want to push your machine to the limit there's not much point in WC. If you're not going to overclock much / at all then air may work better in terms of noise, too ( though here it depends on your GPU ). I mean, nothing can beat passive in terms of noise ;).
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I would agree that watercooling isn't so important with these new chips at the moment but I expect they will start to warm up as the BIOS becomes more highly tweaked and the chips get overclocked more. Besides it isn't really the CPUs that make the noise it is the GPUs.
I have watercooled everything in my system and I bet in total it isn't more that 20dB of noise. Show me any aircooled system that can run that quietly when fully stressed!
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Hi Soar,
I haven't heard of any leaking before but of course the H70 is fairly new and they might have changes the spec a bit since the H50. One thing I did notice though is that there is no pipe clips on there. This is a big no no for watercoolers in general and I reckon with a couple of well placed clips your problem wouldn't have arisen in the first place.
Obviously what you doo about it now is up to you but the options are to place a couple of clips or even cable ties as ar often used around the pipes or wait and RMA it. Either way a couple of clips/ties to make sure it doesn't happen again would be prudent.
Thanks DM for your reply. Ok, I went to Corsair's Forum and I was surprised that there is not even one post that mentions a leaking H70! I suppose that is great news for those trying to decide whether or not to purchase one.
Ok, I sent in the RMA request and will see how long it takes to receive a new one.
I did not want to wait weeks, so I went to Fry's today and picked up another new H70 [at full price]. I really want to get this AMD 1055T system back up and running. I miss it.
Will let you know how the process goes.
Take good care!
Soar
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Hi Soar,
Just don't forget the cable ties this time just to be safe.
You were asking about the liquid last time and I forgot to answer you so I will now. The anti-freeze in a car is not just to stop the coolant freezing in cold weather it also helps with heat transfer so that is another good reason for using it. Along with that it also helps prevent corrosion so that is also a bonus. Normally it is Ethyl Glycol or something similar and I expect they use the same sort of solution in the Corsair H50 and H70 coolers.
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Hi Soar,
As DM says a couple of cable ties or clips will solve the problem but I wouldn't try and do anything with your current H70. These are sold as sealed units and any coolant leakage can't be replaced. I would hold off on your rebuild until you can RMA it.
Of course, another option is to do what I did and avoid any water based cooling by getting a decent Air Cooler! ;)
Thanks absic for your suggestions. I did not want to wait any longer to reassemble this AMD system so I picked up a new H70 this morning. After switching to water cooling I think I'd never go back to air-cooled again. I am uncomfortable with small CPU air coolers as well as monster air-cooled CPU coolers. The Noctua NH-D14 120mm & 140mm SSO CPU Cooler weighs 1240 grams...and I am not comfortable with 1240 grams per square inch or so of pressure on my nice, sensitive, tender, delicate, moody motherboard.
I think the Noctua NH-D14 120mm & 140mm SSO CPU Cooler is roughly 10 times the weight of the Corsair 70 motor that rests on the CPU and motherboard.
Soar
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Heyy Absic who is this Ethyl Glycol does she know about your wrinkled prunes...... ::)
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Hahahaha! ;D
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Hi Jannie,
she knows about the wrinkled prunes but......
she doesn't know about the wife! :o
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I think you had better hope that... the wife doesn't know about her, or you might become detached from your wrinkled prunes! :o :o
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Heyy Absic who is this Ethyl Glycol does she know about your wrinkled prunes...... ::)
Jannie,
Ethyl Glycol is my new unwanted girlfriend. She is very toxic and I am trying to break off my relationship with her. She doesn't get along at all with my other friend, 890XA-UD3. In fact, they are mortal enemies.
Absic is in deep need of prune juice as he is still locked up in the ice-age mentality that massive air-cooled CPU coolers are the best way to go. We are all hoping he will see the light of the blessedness of water cooling and make the long awaited transition.
I am trying to talk him into donating his Noctua NH-D14 to the nearest computer museum.
Unfortunately he hasn't been very receptive to the idea.
Let us all pray for him.
Soar
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With how cool new CPUs and GPUs run I'm also more inclined towards air cooling. Much less troublesome and unless you want to push your machine to the limit there's not much point in WC. If you're not going to overclock much / at all then air may work better in terms of noise, too ( though here it depends on your GPU ). I mean, nothing can beat passive in terms of noise ;).
BTWr,
Thanks for the good advice. I have special needs here. In the summer months my computer room can reach temps of over 95 F. I am under the impression that water cooling is best for my distinct situation.
As mentioned in other posts, I am not comfortable with the massive air cooling units that weigh more than a kilo. That much weight on my processor and motherboard seems to be too much unnecessary weight. Also the sheer size of some of these monstrous air coolers take up way too much room in my case and I feel it would restrict air circulation and also hinder some of the taller RAM modules should I need to use them.
I am not comfortable with the smaller [stock] air-cooling units because they do not seem to be able to get the job done.
We are all hoping Absic will recognize that we are now in the second decade of the second millennium and that air-cooling heatsinks and fans are old relics of the distant past and only belong in computer museums now.
Hoping he will see the light soon!
Soar
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Well, I must have scared everyone away with all my Noctua NH-D14 criticisms!
Ok, I hope I did not offend anyone!
Well, I am ready to put my "old" 1055 + Gigabyte 890XA-UD3 back together again.
Any last suggestions, comments, blazing rebukes, or good advice before I begin the process?
It's me,
Soar
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No Soar, we are just chilllin'. One day absic might see the light and turn to cooler systems than air but old habits die hard!
Just get on and do it! Too much thought will just make you worried. You have all the necessary skills, just let us know how it goes mate. We are always here if you have any problems.
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Hi Soar,
I would recommend a bullet proof vest and a good pair of rubber boots. Apart from that just put the damn thing back together.
When I can see a real advantage in crossing over to a water cooled system then I will do so but at the moment I am running my 1090T at 3.8GHz and the Core Temp is only 25C across all 6 cores using the Noctua NH-D-14 and rarely rises more than 3-5C above ambient no matter what I throw at it. I have seen water cooled systems with higher temperatures. The only thing I would say is that water cooling the GPU would be a nice option as the old Sapphire 4850X2 that I have is a little noisy, even with the aluminium shroud removed.
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I would have to agree there absic. The most benefit you get from liquid cooling is the graphics cards, both in noise and tempertures. It would be worth installing a single loop just to do that.
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Tempted but not just yet! :D
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No Soar, we are just chilllin'. One day absic might see the light and turn to cooler systems than air but old habits die hard!
Just get on and do it! Too much thought will just make you worried. You have all the necessary skills, just let us know how it goes mate. We are always here if you have any problems.
DM,
Thanks again and I look forward with great joy to rebuilding this machine. Everything is in order and ready to go. I feel very confident especially know you guys are here to help if I run into any unforeseen challenges. I even have an extra day off so that will help a lot too. I hope I didn't ruffle Absic's air-cooler feathers too much!
Soar
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Hi Soar,
I would recommend a bullet proof vest and a good pair of rubber boots. Apart from that just put the damn thing back together.
When I can see a real advantage in crossing over to a water cooled system then I will do so but at the moment I am running my 1090T at 3.8GHz and the Core Temp is only 25C across all 6 cores using the Noctua NH-D-14 and rarely rises more than 3-5C above ambient no matter what I throw at it. I have seen water cooled systems with higher temperatures. The only thing I would say is that water cooling the GPU would be a nice option as the old Sapphire 4850X2 that I have is a little noisy, even with the aluminium shroud removed.
Absic,
Thanks for your reply! Those temperatures are very impressive while using your Noctua NH-D-14! It is obvious it is a very effective CPU cooler. Ok, sorry for poking fun at your air-cooler. I know they work well for overclockers and are very hard to beat when looking at the benchmarks.
I am glad you are happy with your Noctua NH-D-14!
Keep up the good work!
Soar
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Thanks for the good advice. I have special needs here. In the summer months my computer room can reach temps of over 95 F. I am under the impression that water cooling is best for my distinct situation.
FWIW
The way I see it is, if the ambient is 95F both water cooled and air cooled both start out at 95F..The difference is that water cooled devices may have a larger thermal mass and thus may stay cooler longer especially for short peak periods...WC units also move the radiator away from the CPU and is generally smaller to do the same cooling..However if the air cooler is massive ,and the water tank/radiator is puny with a small fan then the difference may be negligible if any...Hopefully most WC units are designed well enough to beat the run of the mill air devices..(at greater $$$) Also consider the inside case ambient temperature is hotter than the outside ambient..Thus the WC unit that has it's radiator outside gains a decent advantage...Just think about cooling aircraft engines..Both liquid and air cooled engines work
quite well..I base the above on general observations and not any factual data..
I am sure proponents of both schemes can think of advantages that I have not mentioned..In any case this is how I see it ..
jolphil :)
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I think you summed it all up fairly well there jolphil, I would say that the biggest positive with watercooling is as you mentioned the ability to be more flexible in location of radiator. If this is put in a prime location it can be cooler than the ambient of the computers's actaul location.
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Jolphil and DM,
Thanks guys for putting this all in a very nice perspective. You've simplified the entire evaluation process by providing excellent viewpoints and concepts!
Have a wonderful day!
Soar
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Ok,
I do have one more question....
I was assembling the entire system when I had to stop. I had already applied the Arctic Silver to the CPU when I had to stop due to unexpected call from work. I have left the Arctic Silver on the top of the CPU for 5 days now. Is it still good or should I scrape it off and start all over again?
I know, I know, I should already be done with this reassembly but unexpected things keep happening and put be back in time...
So does leaving Arctic Silver on top of the CPU for days alter its ability to provide good contact to the cooler?
Anyone recommend a better Thermal Paste or is Arctic Silver still a nice choice?
Soar
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Hi Soar
In theory the Arctic Silver should be fine because it is the heat that cures it not just being open to the air, however for the price of a liitle bit of TIM I would say clean it off and re-apply some fresh. In my eyes AS5 is still one of the top thermal compounds.
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Hi Soar
In theory the Arctic Silver should be fine because it is the heat that cures it not just being open to the air, however for the price of a liitle bit of TIM I would say clean it off and re-apply some fresh. In my eyes AS5 is still one of the top thermal compounds.
Thanks DM. Will do!