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Questions about GIGABYTE products => Motherboards with AMD processors => Topic started by: gxlinx on February 15, 2011, 07:25:24 pm
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I am getting multiple Blue screens while trying to install Windows(XP, 7x32, 7x64) or even use it(Unable to get logged in before it crashes)
The Blue screen messages are:
PFN_LIST_CORRUPT
IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL
Typically this happens towards the end of the Windows 7 install "Completing Install" Phase or Setup is starting Services. After lowering the Memory clock I was able to get windows to install but now it randomly throws a BSOD.
Things I have Done:
Bare minimum Hardware(Video Card, 1 Ram stick, HDD, CD-ROM)
Memtest Both sticks of RAM passed 10+ passes
Switch Memory Channels
Replace memory
Memtest new Memory
Downclock memory to 1066MHz but left the 9-9-9-24 settings.
Replace Video Card
System Specs.
Mobo: GA-890FXA-UD5 rev. 2.1 BIOS F6
Processor: Phenom ii x6 1055T
Ram: Corsair XMS3 DHX 9-9-9-24 1333 2x2GB
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon 6850
PSU: Seasonic 750watt
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Hi there,
As a matter of interest what make of HDD are you trying to install the OS onto?
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Currently I am installing on a single Hitachi 700GB
I was using a OCZ Vertex 2 but I seemed to get less BSODs when I switched to a rotating HDD.
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OK
Have you disabled Floppy Drive in BIOS as sometimes this can cause these kind of problems?
How have you set the SATA controllers, AHCI, or Native IDE?
what ports have you connected your HDD and other drives to?
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Floppy Drive is disabled
Not at my computer currently if my memory serves me correctly though the drives are set on SATA 0(HDD). CD-Rom is set on the IDE port on the Mobo not sure which port that is set in BIOS.
It is currently set to Native IDE.
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If your CD Drive is an older IDE type that could be the cause of your problems as there can sometimes be issues running IDE and SATA devices together.
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I will grab a SATA drive on the way home. I may also try setting the drive to master, I may have it set to Cable select.
Does it matter which SATA port it goes into? I am thinking SATA4 or 5 since you can specify them separately.
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If you put the HDD or SSD onto one of the SATA3 ports (I use 0 for my OS Drive) and set the SATA3 Controller in BIOS to AHCI mode.
Then attach the DVD/CD drive onto one of the SATA2 ports (one of the white ones) and set the controller for this in BIOS to IDE.
It might be a good idea, before making those changes, if you re-set BIOS to Optimised Defaults as this will give you a good starting point to move forward from. Make the basic changes that you would usually make (Disable Full LOGO Show, Disable FLOPPY drive(s), etc) but leave all of the RAM timings and other settings in MIT at their default settings.
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Thanks, I will get back to you with the results in a few hours.
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Well, by the time you can get back I will probably be fast asleep as I am in the UK! :D
Hopefully someone else will be able to help further if you run into any problems.
Good luck and I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.
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Same problem with new CDRom. Just to try something different though I would try installing from a USB Drive. Same issues.
Got some new messagea though:
Memory_Management
page_fault_in_nonpaged_area
Also
0x1E Stop Code
Just curious what are the chances this could be with the processor/Memory Controller?
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Same problem with new CDRom. Just to try something different though I would try installing from a USB Drive. Same issues.
Got some new messagea though:
Memory_Management
page_fault_in_nonpaged_area
Also
0x1E Stop Code
Just curious what are the chances this could be with the processor/Memory Controller?
seems to be the ram
post specifications of the ram, and current setttings like timings voltages for RAM and CPU
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OUCH!
Having now tried installing with a SATA DVD/CD drive I have to agree with Christoph about the RAM being the most likely cause of the problem. This doesn't mean that your CPU isn't the problem but it is more likely to be the RAM.
Although you have run Memtest for 10 passes this doesn't always mean that the RAM is OK and there have been several instances recently where modules have passed Memtest only to be proven to be the cause after much aggravation, swapping other components and swearing. If possible try different RAM Modules, if only to eliminate your current ones.
Another cause of the 0x1E stop code can be a problem with your install media. If you have downloaded the OS and burnt it onto a disk, one or more of the files might have become corrupted. If this is the case, try downloading it again and burning it to a disk at the slowest speed. If it is a copy that you bought from a retailer then it is less likely to be due to this but still could be.
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The thing is I have already switched RAM modules once and continued having the same problem. Once I replaced the CD Rom I only got the errors I have listed already.
This is all I remember off the top of my head. I will have the post all the specs from BIOS when I get back.
Corsair XMS3 DHX 9-9-9-24 1333 2x2GB 1.5v is the one I am using now.
Before that
GSkill RipJaws 9-9-9-24 1600 2x2GB 1.5v Actually ran them at 1333 before problem started happening.
The voltages for the CPU are stock so I haven't changed them at all. I will have to look when I get home.
I will retry downloading but I doubt that is the issue. These problems started before I was trying to install. I guess I should of mentioned that before. I was able to use the computer for 2 months with no problems at all. Then I started getting the blue screens listed in this post and some pointing to some ATIKMDAG.sys file. I figured it was a driver for the video card uninstalled all the software for it still got the same minidump message pointing to ATIKMDAG.sys. So I replaced video card to try and fix it but it didn't work. Well while this was happening Windows would revert back to fresh install state, I was using my SSD as the boot drive. Then boom that is how I got to where I am.
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When you had the system running previously, were you running your RAM at 1600MHz?
If you were then there is the possibility that the Memory controller on the CPU is playing up as these CPU's really don't like RAM running above 1333MHz. So to answer your previous question then yes, it could be the CPU rather than any other component and as you have tried changing RAM, HDD/SSD and other parts then it might be time to look at RMA'ing the processor.
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No I never got around to trying for 1600MHz. I let the bios do the default settings for MHz which was 1333 then I changed the timing to fit manufacture spec.
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Have you tried totally clearing CMOS and starting again?
I know it seems like you're going backwards but it seems strange that everything was working OK for a couple of months and then started playing up.
When faced with your situation I would bite the bullet and start over.
I would strip the build down to the bare minimum, CPU, 1 stick of RAM, GPU, then re-flash BIOS with the F6 version.
Load Optimised defaults save then go back into BIOS and set the SATA controllers: ON Chip SATA Controller - Enabled; On Chip SATA Type - AHCI; Onboard GSATA/IDE Ctrl - Enabled; Onboard GSATA/IDE Mode - IDE, and disable things such as Floppy Drive, the Full Screen LOGO show etc. On my own system I also disable the Serial and Parallel ports, e-SATA ( I don't have any e-SATA devices) and On-board sound ( I have a dedicated sound card).
Once I had done that I would then attach the HDD or SSD to SATA port SATA3_0 and the SATA DVD/CD drive to GSATA2_7 and try re-installing the OS again. (Actually, I do not use the DVD/CD Drive to install the OS as I use a USB Pendrive these days, but I still attach the DVD/CD drive)
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The only thing I may not have done is Reset CMOS.
I will try re-flashing BIOS.
Currently this is how my system is setup.
Video card PCI-E 16_0
HDD SATA3_0 Set to AHCI
CD Drive GSATA2_6 set as IDE
Ram in DDR3_0
CPU
Under integrated Peripherals I have literally turned everything off once Onboard GSATA/IDE Mode is set unless I am using a USB Pen drive to install then I would turn on the USB Controller. Just to make sure nothing is conflicting. Floppy drive is off and Full screen Logo is off.
I have literally been toying with this thing for weeks. Slightly frustrating, somewhat fun, a little annoying. I am thinking I have probably exhausted most of my options once I have re-flashed and Reset CMOS. Unless you can think of anything else. I will go ahead and get the RMA process for the processor started since in my head that just looks like the highest candidate.
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I know exactly what you mean.
Personally I wouldn't Disable the USB Options in BIOS but I can understand why you believe this may help.
Just another thought, have you tried a different keyboard and mouse? Sounds silly but I one completely rebuilt a system only to find out it was a faulty mouse causing me all of the problems. That was an expensive lesson.
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I will try anything at this point maybe even some Peanut butter and jelly. ;)
I will let you know what happens after I trying these few things. I have had a few mouse and keyboard stories myself. ;D
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I will try anything at this point maybe even some Peanut butter and jelly. ;)
I will let you know what happens after I trying these few things. I have had a few mouse and keyboard stories myself. ;D
post everything or is better a screenshot of your voltages in bios AND the whole page of RAM settings
I think you have enabled, the CKS training... (is it CKS or CSK?)
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Sorry for the lack of Pics. Not sure how to take screen shots as I don't have a camera handy. here is a list of everything present from the MB Intelligen Tweaker. Sorry for my horrible spelling mistakes. ;) Let me know if you need anything else.
CPU Clock Ratio [AUTO] 2800MHz
CPU NorthBridge Freq. [AUTO] 2000Mhz
Core Performance Boost [Enabled]
CPB Ratio [Auto] 3300Mhz
CPU Host Clock Control [Auto]
CPU Frequency(Mhz) 200
PCIE Clock(MHZ) [Auto]
PCIe Spread Spectrum [Enabled]
HT Link Width [Auto]
HT Link Frequency [Auto] 2000Mhz
Set Memory Clock [Auto]
Memory Clock x6.66 1333Mhz
DRAM Configuration
CPU Host Clock Control [ Auto]
CPU Frequency 200
Set Memory Clock [Auto]
Memory Clock x6.66 1333Mhz
DCTs Mode [Unganged]
DDR3 Timing Items [Auto]
CAS# Latency [9]
RAS to CAS [9]
Row Precharge Time [9]
Minimum RAS Active Time [24T]
1T/2T Command Timing [2T]
TwTR Command Delay [5T]
Trfc0 for DIMM1 [90ms]
Trfc2 for DIMM2 [110ms]
Trfc1 for DIMM3 [90ms]
Trfc3 for DIMM4 [90ms]
Write Recovery Time [10T]
Precharge Time [5T]
Row Cycle Time [34T]
RAS to RAS Delay [5T]
**DCTs Drive Strength** DCT0 DCT1
Proc0dt(ohms0 [Auto] 60 [Auto] 240
DQS Drive Strenght [Auto] 1.0x [Auto] 1.5x
Data Drive Strength [Auto] 1.0x [Auto] 1.5x
MEMCLK Drive Strenght [Auto] 1.5x [Auto] 1.5x
Addr/CMD Drive Strength [Auto] 1.5x [Auto] 2.0x
CS/ODT Drive Strength [Auto] 1.5x [Auto] 2.0x
CKE Drive Strength [Auto]1.5x [Auto] 2.0x
**DCT Addr/Cmd Timing** DCT0 DCT1
Addr/Cmd setup time [Auto] 1T [Auto] 1/2T
Addr/Cmd fine delay [Auto] 22/64 [Auto] 0/64
CS/ODT setup Time [Auto] 1/2T [Auto] 1/2T
CS/ODT fine delay [Auto] 0/64 [Auto] 0/64
CKE setup time [Auto] 1/2T [Auto]1/2T
CKE fine delay [Auto] 0/64 [Auto] 0/64
Bank Interleaving [Enabled]
Channel Interleave [Enabled]
DQS Training Control [Skip DQS]
CKE Power Down Mode [Disabled]
Memclock tri-stating [Disabled]
System Voltage Control [Manual]
CPU PLL Voltage Control [Normal] 2.5v
DRAM Voltage control [Normal] 1.51v
DDR VTT Voltage Control [Normal] .75v
NB Voltage Control [Normal] 1.15v
HT Link Voltage Control [Normal] 1.2v
NB/PCIe/PLL Voltage Ctrl [Normal] 1.8v
CPU ND VID Control [Normal] 1.15v
CPU Voltage Control [Normal] 1.475
Normal CPU VCore 1.475v
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ok
in the RAM timings where it says TRFC 0-1-2-3 put them at 110 every one of them
the Dram Voltage control set it at 1.54v
and CPU ND VID Control at 1.20 or 1.22 v
don't worry it won't burn anything or something like that, it is quite safe, this is to improve stability
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I tried those settings. Looked promising, stalled at setup is updating registry. Waited 2 hours no response restarted and got
Page_fault_in_non_paged_area 0x50
Driver_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL 0xD1
0x7e ACPI.sys
I am thinking somehow my USB Pen drive got corrupted. Need to put CDRom Back in. I will let you know tonight. Was to busy yesterday to try to much.
Once I try with CDRom I will update again and see what happens. BTW I have re-flashed BIOS and reset CMOS.
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I'm almost sure the problem is the RAM, what is the exact model of those sticks?
some claim those are rated 1.6v
you can easily try with 1.6v on those RAM modules, you could even go up to 1.7v but that I'll say is way too much, so try with 1.6v and don't go any further
but make sure, post the exact model and everything thats says the RAM package
lately RAM vendors have made "mistakes" as my own RAM was rated 9-9-9 and now the exact same model is rated 9-11-9, the middle timings has to do way much when it comes to stability in DDR3 RAM
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Corsair xms3 dhx 2x2gb TW3X4G1333C9DHX G
I just got home will be playing with it.
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this ones?
http://multi.gnt.lt/Pages/brochures/Corsair/TW3X4G1333C9DHX.pdf
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Same model number off of package. On the sticks cm3x2048-1333c9dhx. Memorylabel says 1333 2048 999 24 1.5v. Think I should run them at 1.7?
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try 1.6v first and the see how it goes
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Page_fault_in_Non_page_Area Stop 0x50
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hmmm
well, those sticks are the one with the High heatsink, so try for a while with 1.65v or 1.67
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change TRFC 0-1-2-3 to 160 and check
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After everything we have tried it seemed to have gotten worse. I am unable to get to the first part of the install. It either hangs or gives a blue screen right after Starting Windows. After setting voltage higher and changing TRFC to 160 still ahveing problems
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lose the timings
use 9-11-9- 27-34 2T - 6-12-6-6
TRFC 160
and turn down the voltage to 1.55v
CPU-NB VID control at 1.24v
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you're intalling what? windows 7?
is that an OEM CD? well original CD from the package?
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Currently this is how my system is setup.
Video card PCI-E 16_0
HDD SATA3_0 Set to AHCI
CD Drive GSATA2_6 set as IDE
Ram in DDR3_0
CPU
TRy changing the AHCI setting. Usually you only use that for a SSD.
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Thanks Christoph.
I will try these settings when I get home. Sorry for the slow reply, was getting a little frustrated with it and decided to not look at it for a bit.
I am trying with an OEM Win 7 32-bit CD rom atm since that is what worked previously.
Autotech
I am pretty sure this is how I am setup. I am not using a SSD at the moment. I am using a normal HDD have tried both AHCI and IDE when trying to install
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Off the wall but it has worked for me. Remove all but essential hardware. Flash to F3 bios. Load fail-safe defaults. If you can get a linux live cd boot from that, forget windows for now. If that boots and is stable the chances are that the problem is between your hardware and windows. Try and install windows. If you are successful add the rest of your hardware, one item at a time. If all is well reflash bios to F6.
As background I had a right nightmare with the same board. I was using crucial ballistix ram (1600), but slowed to 1333 and tighter timings. I had everything from no post, continuous beeping on startup,bluies, and continuous restarts. I was all for rma'ing the board. After visiting a few sites I found that the concensus was that the F3 bios was the most stable so I followed the above actions and my box now is fine. (This is something I will regret), but I have a stable box and install of win7 64-bit.
Always handy to have a linux live cd it can get you out of all sorts of problems with windows problems. ;)
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Decided to try using Knoppix. First time it booted failed on [Sound, Video, Input] said Killed underneath it. Second time a service failed but booted into knoppix anyway. 3rd time no problems at all so I messed around in there, tried using office some games what ever most stuff crashed alittle while after using them.
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that HDD is new?
try checking it for bad sectors, you can use the Hiren's boot cd for that, or use the tool the manufacturer provide
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Decided to try using Knoppix. First time it booted failed on [Sound, Video, Input] said Killed underneath it. Second time a service failed but booted into knoppix anyway. 3rd time no problems at all so I messed around in there, tried using office some games what ever most stuff crashed alittle while after using them.
I agree with Niffler that a Live Linux cd can sometimes be a very good indication of how to separate a Hardware failure or a software related failure..In fact i wrote a small post dedicated to it..http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,4332.0.html (http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,4332.0.html)
In your case, the fact that Knoppix also had stability/install problems indicated some unknown hardware/BIOS problem..The advice you previously got about starting over and run stability tests could help you determine your problem..Even memtest as good as it is does not always find an elusive fault with memory modules..They are very tricky and touchy..The fact of charging up a small silicone capacitor and then recharging it when required is problematic in itself..That is why memory modules are so critical and cause so many problems..
Unfortunately, they are so woven into system stability that the memory controller(CPU) the BIOS, the mother board, and even the power supply all have an effect on system stability..They all have to work together in order to get a stable system...
Also in this case that if Knoppix was unstable indicates to me that you can leave your HD out for the time being because Knoppix works just from memory.. Sometimes hardware device failures months later (in your case) may have been damaged by overheating some critical part.. That is why I would start over with the basics as suggested by others and run all tests as you would with a new build ..
I wish there was a" Magic Bullet " but I do not see it..
Good luck,
jolphil
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As jolphil has stated the fact that you can't run Knoppix in a stable manner would "seem" to rule out the H/D. IMHO you have got a hardware problem. The only resort left is to try and isolate what it is. This can be difficult if you haven't got other hardware to swap out. It could be the CPU, Mobo or ram. As you have already changed the ram I would be inclined to go for the mobo. You stated that it was working, nothing to say that something hasn't gone wrong, unfortunately it does happen. The only other thing I would try, possibly a long shot, is to put your optical drive/s on the S3_4 & S3_5 ports and make sure they are in IDE mode. Other than that it looks like a RMA. Good Luck and however it turns out please let us know the result.
Regards :(
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Wanna say thanks to everyone that tried to help. RMA'd the Processor AMD said it passed and sent me a new processor. Anyway, got the processor put it in and installed and has been stable for approx 12 hours. So hopefully that is the end of this problem =)