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Questions about GIGABYTE products => Motherboards with AMD processors => Topic started by: soarwitheagles on February 20, 2011, 10:10:59 am
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Hi everyone!
Well, I have very good news. I finally found some time to put my AMD 1055T/Gigabyte's 890XA-UD3 back together again and...after receiving the motherboard back from Gigabyte's RMA program, it works absolutely perfect! I am very happy with it! BTW Absic, it came back with a F5 BIOS installed...
I did modify the CPU cooler and fan set up. I was attempting to remount Corsair's H70 water cooled CPU cooler when it suddenly sprung a very nasty leak...needless to say, I could not sleep at nights, worrying about what would happen if I put a new Corsair H70 in this build and then it leaked again! Even trying dark ale did not help, nor did warm rum...I just kept having nightmares of my 1055T drowning along with my poor 890XA-UD3...
So, I decided to do a modification...it is similar to the English Channel Tunnel, with just a wee less engineering involved...
I found the piece of metal alongside the road as I was driving home from work...no joke, it was run over and bent a little, but I straightened it out and it appears to work just fine on my new Hyper 212+, which by the way, weighs exactly half as much as that monster Noctua NH-D14.
Thanks to DM for giving me the idea of building a shroud...
Anyway, please let me know what you think...I know we can't drive a super fast train through it like the English Channel Tunnel, but, hey, I had to start somewhere and besides, it was free, except of course for those two rivets...
Soaring through my new tunnel!
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Well done Soar, nice mod. ;) I would imagine that makes quite a difference to the standard cooler's performance. Free too, what better price than that?
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Well done Soar, nice mod. ;) I would imagine that makes quite a difference to the standard cooler's performance. Free too, what better price than that?
Thanks again for all your help and good ideas. I seriously do not feel comfortable anymore with the Corsair water coolers...so I had to make do with what was available. It only took a few minutes and yes, I think it does work well! Here's a couple more pics of the build process:
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Nice idea Soar!
What temperatures are you now getting on your CPU? Are they much different from the H70?
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Nice idea Soar!
What temperatures are you now getting on your CPU? Are they much different from the H70?
Hi Absic!
With the rebuilt 1055t system I am getting 25-26 at idle...my i5-750/P55A-UD3 with a Corsair H50 is running one degree hotter. I'll be taking the H50 off too. I haven't tried loading the AMD system much yet, just taking it easy until I let it run over night. Just finished it about one hour ago.
Here's some more pics: I think I'll do the same with the 2500k build...it may not win any beauty contests, but it's cheap and it works well! I never even thought of it until DM mentioned it. Never thought about building a wind tunnel...it sure is a great idea! Best of all, no more worries about leaking water...
PS I am certain I applied too much thermal paste...can this cause any serious problems?
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Well, the temps you have now are very similar to my own with the Noctua which are currently reported as 23C but it is a little cool here today!
As you say, nice low temps without the fear of drowning and as they say, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Once you have your side panels on the case who's really going to see the home made wind tunnel?
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Well, the temps you have now are very similar to my own with the Noctua which are currently reported as 23C but it is a little cool here today!
As you say, nice low temps without the fear of drowning and as they say, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Once you have your side panels on the case who's really going to see the home made wind tunnel?
Yes, you are right again. I'll be the only one here that knows about it. Shhhhhhhh....let's keep it a secret!
BTW, I put too much thermal paste on the CPU/heatsink...will it make much of a difference?
Soar
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A bit late to start worrying about that now. The biggest problem of using too much thermal paste is that sometimes it can spread onto the CPU Pins which can cause problems. If everything is working OK I would advise you to leave it alone. If you are going to be removing the Cooler for further modifications then you could wipe some of the excess away but it is not essential.
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A bit late to start worrying about that now. The biggest problem of using too much thermal paste is that sometimes it can spread onto the CPU Pins which can cause problems. If everything is working OK I would advise you to leave it alone. If you are going to be removing the Cooler for further modifications then you could wipe some of the excess away but it is not essential.
Ok, thanks. People recommended smearing the Hyper 212+ heatsink thermal paste with a credit card and it worked quite well to fill the grooves in the heatsink...but then I put way too much thermal compound on processor itself...
Currently running a cheap 5570 for a GPU. I am still a little nervous about plugging in a new 460 GTX...remember, last time that is what fried the MOBO. Have you any suggestions before I attempt to install the 460 GTX?
I also RMA'd the 460 GTX, removed the Enermax 720 PSU, and installed a brand new XFX modular 650 watt PSU.
BTW, I used an old Zerotherm 120mm fan to mount the tunnel...I merely cut out the fan and used the frame...here's the pic:
Thanks,
Soar
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Not really Soar but I can understand your trepidation.
Bust advice I can offer is to:
Remove ATI Drivers.
Shut down the PC and disconnect it from the mains supply.
Press the Power button on the PC Case to dissipate the remaining electrical current.
Remove 5570. (at this stage you might like to pack the 5570 and send it to the UK)
Install GTX460 and connect the power leads.
Reconnect PC to mains power supply and switch on PC.
If everything works OK you can then install the NVidia Drivers.
Hopefully Job Done!
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Not really Soar but I can understand your trepidation.
Bust advice I can offer is to:
Remove ATI Drivers.
Shut down the PC and disconnect it from the mains supply.
Press the Power button on the PC Case to dissipate the remaining electrical current.
Remove 5570. (at this stage you might like to pack the 5570 and send it to the UK)
Install GTX460 and connect the power leads.
Reconnect PC to mains power supply and switch on PC.
If everything works OK you can then install the NVidia Drivers.
Hopefully Job Done!
Ok, I will give it a shot tomorrow...it is now 3 am here and I need to take some rest...thanks again for all your good ideas and for helping me get my AMD system up and running again!
Sorry, about not being able to ship that 5570 to you...the shipping would cost more than the card itself!
Soar
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Nice cooling tunnel Soar. I use the same cut out fan surrounds to help decrease the vortex effect in my coolers.
You could get the corners of your sheet metal products tighter and smoother if you made up a bending jig. You only need a couple of pieces or wood and some hinges and preferably a vice to hold it in.
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Hi Soar..
You are the Man...."Necessity is the Mother of invention"... Could not be more true..
Once again nice job..
Have Fun :)
jolphil
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Nice cooling tunnel Soar. I use the same cut out fan surrounds to help decrease the vortex effect in my coolers.
You could get the corners of your sheet metal products tighter and smoother if you made up a bending jig. You only need a couple of pieces or wood and some hinges and preferably a vice to hold it in.
Thanks DM!
BTW, what is "vortex effect?"
Soar
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Hi Soar..
You are the Man...."Necessity is the Mother of invention"... Could not be more true..
Once again nice job..
Have Fun :)
jolphil
Jolphil,
Thank you and yes, I agree...when we are left with no other choice and become desperate, we become more creative...
Thanks and glad you like it!
Soar
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Hi again!
Ok, got most of the system together now. I'm posting before and after pics for ideas, suggestions, recommendations, etc.
Please let me know what you think [and yes, I realize it no longer looks so pretty, but at least I no longer need to worry about a flood ruining my rig].
Soar
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Hi Soar,
I think it looks fine and the wiring is tidier too. Just a shame someone has got in there with a black marker and grafitti'ed all over your PSU ;D
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Hi Soar,
I think it looks fine and the wiring is tidier too. Just a shame someone has got in there with a black marker and grafitti'ed all over your PSU ;D
Thanks DM. I took you advice to reroute some of those USB/1394 cables this time!
I actually marked out the serial number on my new XFX with photo editing software so no one could mess with my new 5 year warranty!
Got to protect all my assets!
Have a good one and Happy George Washington B-day [Whoops, I forgot, he really messed with England in his day, so sorry :-X]!
Soar
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Hi Soar,
I think we can forgive good ole Goerge now, don't you. We were thinking of getting rid of it anyway!! ;D
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Hi Soar,
I think we can forgive good ole Goerge now, don't you. We were thinking of getting rid of it anyway!! ;D
LOL! That was good! Ok, one more question dear DM:
I have had other people suggest that I rotate the Hyper 212+ CPU Cooler to point north instead of east. This would direct all hot air upward and toward the large 200mm fan at the top of the case. It would not be perfectly centered, but they do have a great point...the only problem would be I would not be able to access my RAM because the 212+ would effectively cover all the RAM slots, leaving about a one eighth inch clearance...
Heck, I never remove the RAM anyway...but rotating the CPU cooler 90 degrees would force me tol remove the CPU cooler any time I needed to remove/service the RAM...
What are your thoughts on this?
Also, some other builders suggested my GPU now cannot vent outside the back of the case fan due to my ingenious wind tunnel...this too is another good point...but I thought the majority of the hot air generated by my GPU vents out the GPU vents on the outside of the case and not via the case fan on the back of the case...am I mistaken in this concept?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Soar
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Personally I would stick with how you have it now. The hot air from the CPU is being vented out of the back and is one of the major heat producers. The GPU is also venting out of it's own slot at the rear as well as probably some into the case but I am sure that your top fan can deal with that amount.
I would just suggest keeping an eye on the temps but I can't see it willl be a problem. All hot air rises so the top fan will shift all that no problem.
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Personally I would stick with how you have it now. The hot air from the CPU is being vented out of the back and is one of the major heat producers. The GPU is also venting out of it's own slot at the rear as well as probably some into the case but I am sure that your top fan can deal with that amount.
I would just suggest keeping an eye on the temps but I can't see it willl be a problem. All hot air rises so the top fan will shift all that no problem.
Ok, thanks. Have you any suggestions for good software for monitoring my temps?
Soar
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Well I use RealTemp for the CPU and the rest I tend to leave to my Fan Controller as it has 6 sensors that give me temps from all over the system.
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Well I use RealTemp for the CPU and the rest I tend to leave to my Fan Controller as it has 6 sensors that give me temps from all over the system.
I thought RealTemp is only for Intel systems?
Ok, I found another software called CoreTemp and it appears to do ok.
A member at another forum just shocked me. He recommended I remove the tunnel ASAP. He said it is a bad idea because it restricts or even completely stops all air flow to either the Northbridge or Southbridge chip. I never thought of that...darn...it seems this may cause some serious problems once summer is here...back to the drawing board!
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You could always cut a hole in the bottom of it so that it directs some airflow to the places you want it. ;)
Although I have just been studying it and even without the cowl it won't direct any air towards either the North or Southbridges.
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You could always cut a hole in the bottom of it so that it directs some airflow to the places you want it. ;)
Although I have just been studying it and even without the cowl it won't direct any air towards either the North or Southbridges.
Ok, thanks for the input...
DM, how can I discover the temps of the NB and SB on this board?
Thanks,
Soar
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Hi Soar,
As soon as you move away from the stock cooler you are going to affect the way the motherboard is cooled. If you change to an upright cooler like you or I have done then obviously, air that was being blown downwards from the Stock CPU Cooler is no longer doing so and so you have to improve the airflow over the motherboard by other means to compensate. The most effective way to do this is with a good PC Case with adequate fans to pull cooler air in and then blow warm air out.
There are always doom merchants who want to tell you what can go wrong and whilst their advice is often given with the best of intentions it is only one side of the story. Check through this forum and see how many people actually post here just because they are happy with their builds, not too many.
Leave your shroud in place, I feel pretty confident that it is not going to cause you too many heating problems and, if temperatures do start to rise in the summer months, you could always add a smaller fan to direct air onto the Northbridge and Southbridge chipsets, if needed.
With regard to monitoring temperatures on my system I tend to use CoreTemp and HW Monitor. I also use EasyTune6 and AMD Overdrive for monitoring, but this is usually when I am first putting things together and I use them as indicators so I can see if any of the other monitoring software is showing a major discrepancy.
Through testing I have found CoreTemp and HW Monitor to be the two best programmes to use, at the moment.
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Hi Soar,
As soon as you move away from the stock cooler you are going to affect the way the motherboard is cooled. If you change to an upright cooler like you or I have done then obviously, air that was being blown downwards from the Stock CPU Cooler is no longer doing so and so you have to improve the airflow over the motherboard by other means to compensate. The most effective way to do this is with a good PC Case with adequate fans to pull cooler air in and then blow warm air out.
There are always doom merchants who want to tell you what can go wrong and whilst their advice is often given with the best of intentions it is only one side of the story. Check through this forum and see how many people actually post here just because they are happy with their builds, not too many.
Leave your shroud in place, I feel pretty confident that it is not going to cause you too many heating problems and, if temperatures do start to rise in the summer months, you could always add a smaller fan to direct air onto the Northbridge and Southbridge chipsets, if needed.
With regard to monitoring temperatures on my system I tend to use CoreTemp and HW Monitor. I also use EasyTune6 and AMD Overdrive for monitoring, but this is usually when I am first putting things together and I use them as indicators so I can see if any of the other monitoring software is showing a major discrepancy.
Through testing I have found CoreTemp and HW Monitor to be the two best programmes to use, at the moment.
Absic,
Many, many great points you bring up friend! Thanks for the words of encouragement. I suppose for now I will just leave the system as is and closely monitor the temps. I am still getting between 25C-28C on the CPU at idle and small loads...i'll test soon with full load. Not sure about Mr. Northbridge and Southbridge...I am curious if any of the software monitoring programs can reveal the Northbridge and Southbridge temps?
Please let me know.
Thanks,
Soar
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You could always buy yourself a digital thermometer. I have one with two sensors that can be placed in different locations. They are not very expensive and can be used over and over again.
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You could always buy yourself a digital thermometer. I have one with two sensors that can be placed in different locations. They are not very expensive and can be used over and over again.
Dm, what a cool idea! I like that. Ok, what brand name and where do I find them?
Soar
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Some electronics store is normally the best place, like Tandy, Maplin, RS, etc.
There are many makes from really cheapy things for monitoring the temps of pet animal enclosures (lizards, etc) to proper dedicated test equiptment like I have which is more like a handheld multimeter but for temps.
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Some electronics store is normally the best place, like Tandy, Maplin, RS, etc.
There are many makes from really cheapy things for monitoring the temps of pet animal enclosures (lizards, etc) to proper dedicated test equiptment like I have which is more like a handheld multimeter but for temps.
Ok,
I will begin my research today on which temp probe to purchase.
I only wish there was a software that could do the job!
Thanks,
Soar
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Hey guys,
Anyone have any experience using CPUID Hardware Monitor? I am trying to understand what the following temps are referring to on my Gigabyte Motherboard:
TPMIN0 - 32C
TMPIN1 - 26C
TMPIN2 - 32C
I suspect one or more of these temp readings refers to the Northbridge or Southbridge Chip...
Am I correct in my assumption?
Thanks,
Soar
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Hi Soar,
the readings are usually:
TMPIN0 = motherboard temp.
TMPIN1 = CPU temp.
TMPIN2 = Northbridge temp
Hope this helps
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Hi Soar,
the readings are usually:
TMPIN0 = motherboard temp.
TMPIN1 = CPU temp.
TMPIN2 = Northbridge temp
Hope this helps
Yes, it does help very much. Thank you! When you say motherboard temp, which part of the motherboard is it referring to?
Also, which chip is the Northbride on my 890XA-UD3...it is the chip with the larger blue heat sink or the smaller blue heat sink?
Thanks,
Soar
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They don't usually tell you exactly where they situate the motherboard sensor although you would guess that it is somewhere near the CPU area.
The northbridge is the nearer of the two heatsinks to the CPU and memory.
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They don't usually tell you exactly where they situate the motherboard sensor although you would guess that it is somewhere near the CPU area.
The northbridge is the nearer of the two heatsinks to the CPU and memory.
DM,
Thank you for this crucial information. It appears my Northbridge chip is doing just fine. I hope the Southbridge chip is faring well too.
Soar
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Hi Soar,
The Southbridge doesn't normally get so hot anyway so it isn't a problem. AS long as you keep an eye on the Northbridge temperatures it should be fine. ;)
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Hi Soar,
The Southbridge doesn't normally get so hot anyway so it isn't a problem. AS long as you keep an eye on the Northbridge temperatures it should be fine. ;)
DM,
Ok, thanks again and for now I suppose I will keep the system as is...
I am sorely tempted to purchase Antec's new water cooling unit. Have you heard of it and have you any opinions on it?
It is called Antec Kühler H2O 620 and the reviews show it does better than Corair's H50 and in some areas, better than the H70. Best of all, the hoses look more reliable.
What's your thoughts on it?
Here's one of the reviews on it: http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=694&Itemid=62
And here is one more review: http://www.tweaknews.net/reviews/antec_kuhler_h2o_620_review/
Soar
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To be honest Soar, I only know what I have read in the blurb. It seems to be in the same sort of league as the Corsair but beyond that I wouldn't want to comment either way. If you really want to use fluid though why not build your own simple loop. You can even use non conductive coolant so that in a worst case scenario even a leak is not that important. Something to think about anyway.
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Hi Soar,
I have to say that my thoughts are along the same lines as those of DM and no, we haven't discussed this. As you know, I am not that bothered about water cooling my system at the present time, but I have done one heck of a lot of research into doing so.
If you really want to go down the water cooled route you are much better off investing in the proper kit and setting up a simple loop and, in the long term, it will prove cheaper than the all-in-one options and also it would be much more effective at cooling.
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To be honest Soar, I only know what I have read in the blurb. It seems to be in the same sort of league as the Corsair but beyond that I wouldn't want to comment either way. If you really want to use fluid though why not build your own simple loop. You can even use non conductive coolant so that in a worst case scenario even a leak is not that important. Something to think about anyway.
You guys are amazing. Ok, thanks again for the great advice. What type of cost for an effective simple loop with non conductive coolant?
What are the exact components involved?
Where can I purchase them here in the USA?
Thanks,
Soar
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Hi Soar,
I have to say that my thoughts are along the same lines as those of DM and no, we haven't discussed this. As you know, I am not that bothered about water cooling my system at the present time, but I have done one heck of a lot of research into doing so.
If you really want to go down the water cooled route you are much better off investing in the proper kit and setting up a simple loop and, in the long term, it will prove cheaper than the all-in-one options and also it would be much more effective at cooling.
Absic,
Thanks again for the great advice. Ok, please give me some specific suggestions.
Which components?
How much?
Where to buy?
I am not 100% certain, but I think some of the components would consist of:
12v pump
CPU Waterblock
T-Line
Radiator
Hoses
Fan
Does anyone sell a complete kit so I need not shop the entire world for all the parts?
Thanks,
Soar
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Earth to Absic, do you copy. Earth to Absic, do you copy, over?
This is soarwitheagles trying to get some water cooling info from you. Hello? Do you copy? Over?
Soar
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Hi Soar,
Although I have done a lot of research I haven't felt brave enough to dip my toe into the water, so I don't think I am the best person to offer practical advice on this subject.
However, when I have asked others, such as DM and Gilganesh there advice has been to start with a basic kit such as this: http://www.specialtech.co.uk/spshop/customer/XSPC-Rasa-750-RS240-WaterCooling-Kit-pid-12137.html which contains everything except the liquid. Although this liink is for a site in the UK I'm sure similar kits can be found on your side of the pond and they will probably be a lot cheaper too.
I'm sure DM will step in and offer some better ideas as he is braver than me when it comes to mixing water and electricity! :o
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Hi Soar,
Although I have done a lot of research I haven't felt brave enough to dip my toe into the water, so I don't think I am the best person to offer practical advice on this subject.
However, when I have asked others, such as DM and Gilganesh there advice has been to start with a basic kit such as this: http://www.specialtech.co.uk/spshop/customer/XSPC-Rasa-750-RS240-WaterCooling-Kit-pid-12137.html which contains everything except the liquid. Although this liink is for a site in the UK I'm sure similar kits can be found on your side of the pond and they will probably be a lot cheaper too.
I'm sure DM will step in and offer some better ideas as he is braver than me when it comes to mixing water and electricity! :o
Absic,
Thanks for that website. I found it quite interesting and informative. Now I need to find where I can purchase similar parts at good prices!
Soar