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Questions about GIGABYTE products => Motherboards with Intel processors => Topic started by: Searcher1 on March 20, 2011, 12:14:43 pm
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Hi All
Please see the attached photograph of the screen, this first occured on the 11th Feb, cannot recall what the last bit of kit installed was but all had been working well and the BSD surprised me. It has since happened a few times but with no obvious cause???
Description ~ normally this W7 64 bit box boots quite rapidly the POST beep comes within a few seconds and off we go but when this BSD happens the boot is slow and the POST beep can be say 10-15 seconds with the HDD light fully lit all this time (i.e. no flashing as in changing access the the drive(s)) the OS splach screen takes a while and then the BSD happens. "Windows Startup Repair" finds nothing to repair or report!!!!
As I say this seems totally random in time and situation ~ as mentioned this has happened a few times and in most a simple reboot (either reset of forced powered down [4 secs on the power button to force shutdown] does the job but if as in this morning I got the BSD a second time I have found the onlyway to boot is to, after powering down as above, switch off the power supply switch wait a few seconds and press the "power" button to discharge any residual, switch the PSU back on boot up as usual and all is well :D
So any insights in respect of what the BSD is telling me and what could possibly be causing it???
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Hi Searcher
First thing to do would be to clear your CMOS and then load Optimised BIOS defaults. If you are not using the latest version try updating also. It might just be worth checking that your coolers etc are clean and nothing is overheating.
Remove the power cable from the mains supply and then press the power switch on the case for a few seconds just to drain any residual energy in the PSU capacitors.
Once done remove the motherboard battery for at least one hour before replacing it.
Next plug back into the mains supply and boot.
You will now need to enter the BIOS by pressing DEL and load Opimised BIOS Defaults.
Make any other changes to the BIOS settings to suit your self like disabling the floppy drive, disabling the full screen logo and making the HDD the primary boot device and then press F10 to save and exit.
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More Vcore needed ;)
BSOD Error codes and what they mean:
0X00000050 << Incorrect Memory Timing/Freq or Uncore Multi
0X00000124 << Incorrect QPI/Vtt Voltage (To Much/Not Enough)
0X00000101 << Not enough Vcore Voltage
0X00000109 << Not enough or too Much memory voltage
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Many thanks both :)
Firstly I did flash the most up to date BIOS a while back as per your Q Flash Instructions DM ;)
I have not altered any control settings i.e. voltages etc they are all at the defaults
Please see the attached screen grabs of CPUID and HW Monitor which I hope will aid you in throwing any more light on the matter before doing the more protracted steps suggested by you DM
(http://www.1stdesignit.co.uk/errors/CPU_tab.jpg)
(http://www.1stdesignit.co.uk/errors/Memory_tab.jpg)
(http://www.1stdesignit.co.uk/errors/SPD_slot1_tab.jpg)
(http://www.1stdesignit.co.uk/errors/SPD_slot3_tab.jpg)
(http://www.1stdesignit.co.uk/errors/HW_monitor_report.jpg)
Note the other fans are all "0" because they are being run directly off the PSU not the motherboard ;)
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As Lsdmeasap said your stop code of 101 means not enough vcore. So you need to increase that in the BIOS.
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As Lsdmeasap said your stop code of 101 means not enough vcore. So you need to increase that in the BIOS.
Right need to go look at that soonly ~ but please guide me - it is reporting as vCore 0.83V with a max for the CPU of 0.90V so as I have yet to see how it increments just how close to 0.90V should I go???
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You shouldn't need to make any massive change just try a little at a time as with any clocking. Just don't go above the stated maximum.
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You shouldn't need to make any massive change just try a little at a time as with any clocking. Just don't go above the stated maximum.
DM, thanks for that I will try uplift to say 0.85V and just see if I get any more startup BSD's ???
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As with anything like this it is trial and error. You have to bump it up a touch and then run it to see if it is cured, if not it is time to try another rise.
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Hi DM
Right getting confused a tad now. I went into the MIT page and chaged the voltage setting from "Auto" to 0.85V it booted fine but in the CPU-Z and HW Monitor programs the voltage was being reported as from 0.83 to over 1.2 very odd thinks I!
Went back into the BIOS to remind myself what was being said/reported (in blue and not adjustable) there:-
On the MIT page for CPU Vcore it has a column "Normal" and there is says 1.3000V, lower down it says 1.264V
On the PC Health Page it says 1.284V
Incidently setting to 0.85V I got a warning dialogue about failure to boot???
I have changed it back to Auto for now and the CPU-Z if I look very quickly starts at 1.264V drops briefly 0.88 then to 0.832 and settles there? Now I have checked starting programs and when there is CPU load the voltage goes up to 1.264V i.e. it rises under load ~ normal???
So what do I do now , set it to "Normal" in MIT voltage settings or to say 1.284V to lock it to a set voltage??? If the vCore is low on Boot and hence the startup BSD I have seen I wouldm have thought the BIOS could be set to have a minimum of say 1.5V auto rising as needed toi the Max.
Extra pointers about the BIOS and voltage settings would be very welcome ~ thanks again in advance :)
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Max shown in the image above just means that's the max it has reached, not the max you can set.
Since you have Speedsteap (C1E + EIST) enabled voltage and CPU speed will vary when the system is idle and when it's under load.. Normal voltage sounds like it's 1.264-1.3 for your CPU, so you may want to set it a bit above that since you were having BSOD's at normal voltages.
Yes, 0.85 is too low, that's why it's crashes on you in auto, it's just not enough even at the slowed down idle speeds.
If you want the voltage, and CPU speeds to remain the same always you have to disable Speedstep (C1E and EIST), then you will need to use 1.25-1.3+ for the voltage
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Max shown in the image above just means that's the max it has reached, not the max you can set.
Since you have Speedsteap (C1E + EIST) enabled voltage and CPU speed will vary when the system is idle and when it's under load.. Normal voltage sounds like it's 1.264-1.3 for your CPU, so you may want to set it a bit above that since you were having BSOD's at normal voltages.
Yes, 0.85 is too low, that's why it's crashes on you in auto, it's just not enough even at the slowed down idle speeds.
If you want the voltage, and CPU speeds to remain the same always you have to disable Speedstep (C1E and EIST), then you will need to use 1.25-1.3+ for the voltage
OK, if I take it off "Auto" and select say something more like 1.27 (if I recall it ranges from 0.5 to over 1.6V) from the list available but leave the Speedstep (C1E + EIST) [have yet to even look for or at those settings???] it work at a higher max and as such the lowest load level will be more like 0.84V or have I completely lost the plot :lol:
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The higher you set the Vcore, the higher the low value will be at idle. I do not use those settings, so I can't guess what amount that will be, you'll just have to try a few values until you find one that is stable for you.
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Yes as I said it is a case of "suck it and see". You will just have to experiment and slowly make alterations and check as you go.
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Hi DM & Lsdmeasap
Yes, I went through a few test settings of the vCore and Lsdmeasap you are right by manuallly setting it makes that figure the "do not go lower point" so to speak.
As you can see above that under Auto setting the Core#0 temp is in the mid 30's ~ I do not have my notes in front of me but with anything between 1.2 to 1.267 I was getting approx or >40 degrees and the Intel Speedstep was running and I saw > 3Ghz for the speed and the Wattage was spiking at over 110W.
I will be trying 1.1v later when I get home and hope that the temp at idle stays under 40 and really would like to avoid Wattage spikes that exceed the rated 95W of the chip :) So maybe even to drop it to say 0.9 ???
Once I have set the vCore with what I hope is being risk aware approach for the Temp and the Wattage spikes I will leave it be and see over the next few days/weeks get any more starup BSDs
Thank again for thre support and guidance 8)
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You are welcome and please let us know how you get on with it. 8)
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Hi
Just to update. As mentioned last night I was running at vCore 1.2v but concerned over the 95W being exceeded as the Max.
Well this evening I started by dropping the vCore to 1.1v and got the BSD ~ for the record I can npw tell if it is going to happen at Boot because it takes an age to POST beep.
Upped the vCore to 1.11875 and again very slow POST and BSD so raised it to 1.125v and it booted OK, whether this was because it had warmed up a little by then is moot?
So screen grab of HW Monitor at this 1.125v vCore
(http://www.1stdesignit.co.uk/errors/HW_monitor_report_1_125v.jpg)
The CPU fan has increased by approx 50rpm and is audibly a tad noisier the Core#0 temp at idle is better but the Max Processor Power at 108.33W does worry me a bit so is it anything to be concerned about???
As always the proof will be in the eating so will have to see if it boots AOK tomorrow after being shutdown during the day for something like 8 hours.
Any insight ref the wattage Max of 108.33 would be welcome or any additional insight with the new screengrab???
Edit ~ next on the shopping list is that fan controller ;)
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The thing is a s a general rule it is not the wattage that is important but how you deal with the heat it produces. If you can maintain a cool processor then you shouldn't have any problems. So keep an eye on your temperatures.
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The thing is a s a general rule it is not the wattage that is important but how you deal with the heat it produces. If you can maintain a cool processor then you shouldn't have any problems. So keep an eye on your temperatures.
Makes sense but what is the threshold temp for an i5 760 that I need to be aware of and as mentioned I ma currently using the Mobo CPU temp sensor and CPU fan plugged into the mobo.
Wracks brains for the name of the Fan Controller with the nice LCD face you suggested a good while back??? If you use that and plug the CPU fan into it where do you place the sensor head to control that fan???
Is there a HW monitor program with low resource footprint that has a logging function and alarm warnings to aid such monitoring of the risk of running too hot for too long??? Possibly one that allows for controlled shutdown if the PC is left unattended when an overtemp occurs???
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Wracks brains for the name of the Fan Controller with the nice LCD face you suggested a good while back??? If you use that and plug the CPU fan into it where do you place the sensor head to control that fan???
Lamptron Touch Fan Controller I think is the one you are thinking of. I have one installed and wouldn't be without it now.
http://www.candccentral.co.uk/lamptron-fan-controller-touch-black-anodized-fc0092h.html
As to where to site a CPU sensor It would depend on your heatsink. I would try and get it as close to the CPU as possible with a little bit of thermal paste also to aid conductivity of the heat. You could even use thermal epoxy to glue it in position. The sensors are detachable from the controller so no problem if you need to dismantle it.
The BIOS has a CPU cut out if it overheats anyway.
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Wracks brains for the name of the Fan Controller with the nice LCD face you suggested a good while back??? If you use that and plug the CPU fan into it where do you place the sensor head to control that fan???
Lamptron Touch Fan Controller I think is the one you are thinking of. I have one installed and wouldn't be without it now.
http://www.candccentral.co.uk/lamptron-fan-controller-touch-black-anodized-fc0092h.html
As to where to site a CPU sensor It would depend on your heatsink. I would try and get it as close to the CPU as possible with a little bit of thermal paste also to aid conductivity of the heat. You could even use thermal epoxy to glue it in position. The sensors are detachable from the controller so no problem if you need to dismantle it.
The BIOS has a CPU cut out if it overheats anyway.
Thanks for the reminder & pointer re controller ~ the BIOS overheat cutout is that default set, must go see what it is set to???
I am using the Intel stock HSF so would need to eyeball as to the best place to 'stick' a Lamptron sensor???
Any thoughts about a suitable HW monitor program???
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Talking of temps ~ just what is the max for the i5 760???
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The i5 760 has a TCASE of 72.7°C
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The i5 760 has a TCASE of 72.7°C
Well as the CPUID HW monitor list the max 108.33W with the Core #0 max temp of 46 degrees it is positively arctic when compared to the TCASE figure.......er just what is TCASE??? Is that the auto cutout figure you mentioned?
Update I got the BSD this morning with vCore 1.125 so have upped it a little (there were a couple of otghers offered in between) to 1.15v ..........I was having the BSD less often when on "auto" :lol: Seems that the only way to stop such BSDs is to turn off the PSU to allow the motherborad to discharge, certainly odd to me??? A reboot when 'hot' seems fine it is just when it has been powered down for some hours and is/was as mentioned completely random as to whether it will happen!
Just some random thoughts ~ though vCore error code is shown on the BSD could it be the memory self test during POST that has an effect ~ I note that the inital screen I see after the POST beep already shows total RAM but on my old 845e chipset build the screen came up and the RAM check counted through ~ could the be a graphic card/driver issue. As I say just random thoughts ;)
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TCASE is the external temperature of the package and if the Tcase is 70C the core tempertures would be around 85-90C
Well you never know with computers as just when you think you have it taped it will surprise you. It is al;ways worth checking everything you can think of if you have a problem and it doesn't seem to be reacting to your attempts to rectify it as it should. Try running Memtest86+ on the RAM. It takes time but can be beneficial.
Memtest86+ V4.20 Beta 13
.Bin :http://www.memtest.org/download/beta/420b13/mt420b13.bin
.Iso :http://armstrongcomputer.ca/mt420b13-jasonacs.iso
Insert one stick of memory in slot 1 and run Memtest on it for at least 10 loops and if there are no errors then swap it over with the next one and continue untill you have checked all modules.
If you have any errors the module is faulty.
If you have any faulty modules you will have to return the whole kit as they are matched.
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Right this is still so darned curious:-
I seem to be getting the same BSD with the set vCore code whatever I do i.e. I thought I had it cracked with vCore 1.15v the PC booted fine early evening......shudown to go out for a few hours.......booted a few mins ago and BSD! In principal I was seeing the BSD less often with the vCore set to "Auto" in the BIOS
I have realised that if I listen very carefully during the time before the belated POST beep there is a very brief and quite quiet click ~ reminds of the sort of noise micro relays used to make when they latched.....no idea what it could be but now I know to listen I can hear it during the delayed POST period. When it POSTs normally I cannot hear the same 'click'.
As mentioned before (so far) the way to overcome the BSD happening more than once in succession is to power cycle the PSU.....for the record I get the whole set of Phase LEDs lit on the next 'cold boot'. Methinks I may reset the vCore to "Auto" and do a cold boot everytime over the next many days and see whether any more BSDs happen.........on the surmise that all remains AOK doing it this way then the question still remains as to what has/is causing the error???
Oh, for the record I did run a strees test and all was on the face of it fine with no instability showing up. CPU fan ran up to 2400rpm and all 4 cores maxed out at 66 to 67 degrees
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Ref HPET
Would changing this to 64 bit mode from the default of 32 bit have any effect/improvement??? i.e. I am wondering as this is maybe a "timings related question/issue" perhaps a HPET change would help???
FWIW and in case it has any bearing ~ I have installed both 64 bit programs and others in 32 bit compatibility mode.
TIA once again
:)
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The HPET mode should be set to 64 bit if you are using a 64 bit OS. It may well run fine on a 32 setting but it is just added performance.
Can you try a different PSU ?
I ask because this "click" sounds a bit weird to me.
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The HPET mode should be set to 64 bit if you are using a 64 bit OS. It may well run fine on a 32 setting but it is just added performance.
Can you try a different PSU ?
I ask because this "click" sounds a bit weird to me.
Hi DM
OK I will set the HPET to 64 bit mode.................though I am surmisng that programs installed under 32 bit compatibility mode will be fine???
Sadly no other PSU ~ I dumped my old non SATA plugs one which would not have helped anyway ;) I agree the click sounds odd but it has dawned on me that though is is so brief and soft a sound I could not tell where it was coming from it coul be the powered speakers??? Just have to turn them off for the next few occassions.
But as mentioned I have now set the vCore back to auto and last night turned off the PSU switch. What I will do to relisten for 'click' is leave the power supply "on" but turn the speakers off. That way if/when I get the BSD situation again the speakers should out of the equation???
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Yes I would agree. Probably best to disconnect the speakers totally.
HPET 64 bit mode should work fine even with programs running in 32 bit compatibility mode.
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Yes I would agree. Probably best to disconnect the speakers totally.
HPET 64 bit mode should work fine even with programs running in 32 bit compatibility mode.
Set to HPET 64 and may be my imagination but things do seem to happen a tad wizzier:)
As for the BSD will have to just keep an eye on things?
FWIW when I was in the BIOS I inadvertantly F9 rather than F10 and got the "info" list and the motherboard was listed as P55A-UD4 B3 There is nothing else that I have seen associated with this board that mentions B3 ~ odd perhaps??? This is the rev 2.0 board by the way :)
So please remind (?) me what is the significance of B3 in the 'name'?
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B1 but more so B2 and B3 are just the various build designations that are assigned by the manufacturer usually for in house use more than commercial application. Take no notice of it.
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B1 but more so B2 and B3 are just the various build designations that are assigned by the manufacturer usually for in house use more than commercial application. Take no notice of it.
Ah! :D
As for the BSD, well it did it again this evening. The click I can hear is definitely coming from the case 'speaker' area.....so damned odd??? I forced the shutdown and turned off the PSU >>>>>>> on again and booted up AOK.
???
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What was the BSOD Stop code this time?
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What was the BSOD Stop code this time?
Same one ending 101
Granted I reset the vCore to 'auto' but it was the same stop code during the testing with vCore set to the voltages mentioned???
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I'm afraid I am out of ideas then as 101 should mean too little Vcore voltage setting. :-\ Possibly a faulty CPU
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I'm afraid I am out of ideas then as 101 should mean too little Vcore voltage setting. :-\ Possibly a faulty CPU
But with such an odd fault just how does make a case for RMA'ing it or any suspect part(s). Makes me think the only way forward to is to stick with and accept that there might be a complete failure of "something" sometime.
Not sure if I described this aspect of the BSD differences in the startup ~ normally you get POST, the HDD LED shows activity and you get the OS loading etc With the 'bad' start the HDD LED stays illuminated full time and I think not all that time is audible drive noises??? I do have all three HDDs fed off of the 3 SATA power plugs from a single cable...............should I put another cable in and split the load to a 2 & a 1 (The drive are all WD Black ~ a couple of 500GB and 1TB but sure their power demand is well met off one cable???)
As for whether the CPU has a fault I did run a stress test (Intel Burn 2.5) for only 5 loops in Standard mode and the results were deemed AOK.
If indeed the vCore is too low the only setting I did not try was "Normal" which if I understand it will set it to vCore 1.3v
If the PSU for acane reason well the motherboard cable and the CPU connector are hard wired not one of the modular ones so now to try a different socket on the modular set.
I do hate a msytery :o
Just what is the power on to feed cycle i.e. if there is a delay in power being provided to the various components and the CPU & BIOS is detecting a too long a pause could be ID'ing it as low vCore so is it a sequence question ......could the BIOS itslef have a corruption......using the latest F15 should I downgrade to a slightly earlier version if the BIOS could be 'at fault'???
Edit ~ The fact that (apparently) turning off the PSU and as such doing a fully cold boot means an AOK boot implies that something is "power" hot so to speak if the PSU is left turned on and that is having this random effect....but what components could it be that are involved??? Assuming such a premise is correct!
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Been looking long and hard for other possible causes.
The fact that BSD refers to a clock interupt could it be more like this I found http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff557211%28VS.85%29.aspx rather than a vCore question???
In Googling I found a ref to "Clock Skew" settings and in the manual there is ref to CPU Clock Skew on the Advanced Settings Page but I have not touched this as obviously need your further feedback :)
Just what does this setting do and what setting (if OK to try???) do I set it to?
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An update for what it is worth.
Booted this morning and my initial thought was that it was going to fail (slight click heard with a tad longer time til POST beep) but no it was OK.......used the web got emails etc.
Then ran the CPUID Hardware Monitor and while it was starting up and accessing the sensors the PC crashed with the now familiar BSD same error code et al. First time it has done that whilst actually running :o
Every time this has happened it 'says' about creating a dump file ~ just how does one read this/these files???
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Hi
I have just re-read your entire thread to see if there was anything I could see that we had missed.
What PSU are you using make/model please?
Did you try as Lsdmeasap suggested regarding the voltage ? If you want the voltage, and CPU speeds to remain the same always you have to disable Speedstep (C1E and EIST), then you will need to use 1.25-1.3+ for the voltage
The dump file should be readable with notepad
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Hi
I have just re-read your entire thread to see if there was anything I could see that we had missed.
What PSU are you using make/model please?
Did you try as Lsdmeasap suggested regarding the voltage ? If you want the voltage, and CPU speeds to remain the same always you have to disable Speedstep (C1E and EIST), then you will need to use 1.25-1.3+ for the voltage
The dump file should be readable with notepad
PSU is a Corsair HX 650W ~ no I think I missed the Lsdmeasap about disabling C1E and EIST (need to find that in the BIOS setup?)
What about my query that this actually a "clock" question not a vCore issue (see link in my post ^^) ???
I will open the dmp files with Notepad and see what they say???
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The dump file can indeed be opened with Notepad but it is gobbledegook. Notepad and indeed Wordpad can not interprte the special characters so the it is unreadable :(
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Right found a freeware called "BlueScreenView" that opne the dmp files and identifies the trigger file
With the exception of this mornings BSD whilst launching the HW monitor a common file for al;l the BSDs is :_
ntoskrnl.exe and in the case of this morning addednvlddmkm.sys
Now the latter one if Nvidia driver related but the ntoskrnl is obviously a core W7 file
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Now the latter one if Nvidia driver related but the ntoskrnl is obviously a core W7 file
I would say that you are correct in your assessment of the files.
The clock skew that you asked about is to help balance the timings if the signals take longer to reach one place than another but normally that is already worked out and the optimal timing set as standard.
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Now the latter one if Nvidia driver related but the ntoskrnl is obviously a core W7 file
I would say that you are correct in your assessment of the files.
The clock skew that you asked about is to help balance the timings if the signals take longer to reach one place than another but normally that is already worked out and the optimal timing set as standard.
So with the error code is it a vCore or a clock function question???
I will disable the C1E and EIST and set the vCore to 1.25v and see how that behaves???
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There is no definite answer but it would be worth trying as you suggest and maybe even take the voltage up to 1.3v
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Now the latter one if Nvidia driver related but the ntoskrnl is obviously a core W7 file
I would say that you are correct in your assessment of the files.
The clock skew that you asked about is to help balance the timings if the signals take longer to reach one place than another but normally that is already worked out and the optimal timing set as standard.
So with the error code is it a vCore or a clock function question???
I will disable the C1E and EIST and set the vCore to 1.25v and see how that behaves???
Hi DM
Well I thought I would update this thread as follows:-
Up until 2 days ago all was AOK bootups 100% fine ~ prolem solved! But no a couple of days ago I got the Startup BSD again and the same this morning!!!!! So just what gives???
I have not tried upping the vCore again yet because just why the heck has it started to misbehave again after such a nice long period of stability???
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Hi again Searcher.
Crazy. But that is computers sometimes, just when you think you've got it sorted. I must admit I cannot think of anything at the moment though. Maybe Lsdmeasap will have an idea. I will ask him to take a look.
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Can you please post your current full settings again, thanks!
And what is the BSOD code you are getting now just to be sure?
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Hi both
Doh! a Homer Simpson moment as I did not even bother to read the BSD code........remiss on my part. I will make sure to note it when it happens again???
Lsdmeasap ~ What "current full settings" do you want me to reprise???
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YOu can filter the event log for the BSOD, go to event viewer, then windows logs, then system and filter the results for event ID 1001
I'd like to see your current full BIOS settings for the MIT section, below is a template you can fill out with your current settings.
Ignore any setting currently in this template, and fill in with your exact settings.
[B]Advanced Frequency Settings:[/B]
CPU Clock Ratio 21x
[B]Advanced Core Features [Press Enter]:[/B]
Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech................[Disabled]
CPU Cores Enabled........................[All]
CPU Multi-Threading......................[Disabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)..................[Auto]
C3/C6/C7 State Support...................[Auto]
CPU Thermal Monitor......................[Auto]
CPU EIST Function........................[Auto]
Bi-Directional PROCHOT...................[Auto]
QPI Clock Ratio..........................[Auto]
[I]QPI Link Speed........................[x][/I]
[I]Uncore Clock Ratio....................[18x][/I]
Uncore Frequency.........................3600MHz
[B]>>>>> Standard Clock Control <<<<<[/B]
Base Clock (BCLK) Control................[Enabled]
BCLK Frequency ..........................[200]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)..........[Disabled]
System Memory Multiplier (SPD)...........[Disabled]
[I]Memory Frequency (MHz)................2000[/I]
PCI Express Frequency (MHz)..............[Auto]
C.I.A.2..................................[Disabled]
[B]>>>>> Advanced Clock Control <<<<<[/B]
CPU Clock Drive..........................[ 800mV]
PCI Express Clock Drive..................[ 900mV]
CPU Clock Skew...........................[ 0ps]
[B]Advanced Memory Settings:[/B]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)..........[Disabled]
System Memory Multiplier (SPD)...........[10.0]
[I]Memory Frequency (MHz)................2000[/I]
Performance Enhance (SPD)............. [Turbo]
DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD)............ [Expert]
[I]Profile DDR Voltage ..................
Profile QPI Voltage ..................[/I]
Channel Interleaving.....................[Auto]
Rank Interleaving........................[Auto]
[B]>>>>> Channel A & B[/B]
Channel A Timing Settings [Press Enter]:
Cas Latency Time........................[8]
tRCD....................................[8]
tRP.....................................[9]
tRAS...................................[24]
>>>>> Advanced Timing Control
tRC....................................[Auto]
tRRD...................................[Auto]
tWTR...................................[Auto]
tWR....................................[Auto]
tWTP...................................[Auto]
tWL....................................[Auto]
tRFC...................................[Auto]
tRTP...................................[Auto]
tFAW...................................[Auto]
Command Rate (CMD).................. 1 [1]
[B]>>>>> Misc Timing Control[/B]
B2B Cas Delay..........................[Auto]
Round Trip Latency.....................[Auto]
Channel A Turnaround Settings [Press Enter]:
Different DIMMs........................[Auto]
Different DIMMs........................[Auto]
On The Same Rank.......................[Auto]
[B]>>>>> Channel A Writes Followed By Writes[/B]
Different DIMMs........................[Auto]
Different DIMMs........................[Auto]
On The Same Rank.......................[Auto]
[B]Advanced Voltage Settings:[/B]
******Mother Board Voltage Control ******
Voltage Types............Normal......Current
--------------------------------------------
[B]>>> CPU[/B]
Load Line Calibration...................[Level 2]
CPU Vcore..................1.19375v..[1.xv]
QPI/VTT Voltage..........1.100v.....[1.x00v]
[B]>>> MCH/ICH[/B]
PCH Core....................1.050v.....[Auto]
CPU PLL......................1.800v.....[Auto]
[B]>>> DRAM[/B]
DRAM Voltage..............1.500v.....[1.660v]
DRAM Termination.........0.750v.....[Auto]
Ch-A Data VRef............0.750v.....[Auto]
Ch-A Data VRef............0.750v.....[Auto]
Ch-B Data VRef............0.750v.....[Auto]
Ch-B Data VRef............0.750v.....[Auto]
[B]Miscellaneous Settings:[/B][/SIZE]
Isochronous Support....................[Enabled]
Virtualisation technology..............[Enabled]
USB Storage Detect ....................[Disabled]
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Right, I have copied and printed out your template and will fill it is with the MIT page details in the BIOS but from memory the list was nowhere near as long as the one you posted???
Here is the info from the event viewer the .dmp was taken at 15th April 09:12hrs this morning but oddly the one two days ago is not there, the one before the 15th April is 25th March ~ odd???
The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck. The bugcheck was: 0x00000101 (0x0000000000000031, 0x0000000000000000, 0xfffff88002f64180, 0x0000000000000002). A dump was saved in: C:\Windows\MEMORY.DMP. Report Id: 041511-20389-01.
Another oddity happened a shortish while ago ~ I came back to the PC after leaving it idle for approx 1 hour and normally the screensaver is running but I found it had frozen! The lights in the MS trackball were out and though the keyboard Num Lock was lit it was unresponsive to even Ctl/Alt/Del 'command'. I had to do a soft reboot to get started again ~ I do not recall that happening before. For the record on my old 845e chipset board even powered down the Trackball lights were 'on' and at the time I found that kind of strange but Gigabyte said it was AOK.
For the record the Trackball drivers were (are?) the most current but could there be an issue with the Trackball which is an MS Trackball Explorer One USB/PS2 compatible and connected via USB.
I will now go note those MIT details and post back soonish :)
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Okey dokey here is the MIT listed info:-
I look forward to any insight you can offer based on this info and the above post re event viewer and other most recent issue???
I have entered my seen settings in the [ ] in all CAPS where text populates the field and the numerics when present where they are different to your template and noted where appropriate any such settings “not found” in my BIOS. If unchanged they are identical to your figures
Advanced Frequency Settings:
CPU Clock Ratio 21x
Advanced Core Features [Press Enter]:
Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech.................[AUTO]
CPU Cores Enabled.........................[All]
CPU Multi-Threading........................[Disabled]......... Not found
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)..................[DISABLED]
C3/C6/ State Support.......................[Auto]
CPU Thermal Monitor........................[Auto]
CPU EIST Function.........................[DISABLED]
Bi-Directional PROCHOT..................[Auto]
QPI Clock Ratio..........................[Auto]
QPI Link Speed..........................[4.86GHz]
Uncore Clock Ratio......................[16x]
Uncore Frequency.......................2133MHz
>>>>> Standard Clock Control <<<<<
Base Clock (BCLK) Control.......................[DISABLED]
BCLK Frequency ....................................[133]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)..............[Disabled].... Not found
System Memory Multiplier (SPD)...............[AUTO]
Memory Frequency (MHz)......................1333
PCI Express Frequency (MHz)................[Auto]
C.I.A.2.....................................................[Disabled]..... Not found
>>>>> Advanced Clock Control <<<<<
CPU Clock Drive.....................................[ 800mV]
PCI Express Clock Drive.........................[ 900mV]
CPU Clock Skew.....................................[ 0ps]
Advanced Memory Settings:
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)..........[Disabled].........Not found
System Memory Multiplier (SPD)...........[AUTO]
Memory Frequency (MHz).....................1333
Performance Enhance (SPD).................. [Turbo]
DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD)............... [AUTO]
Profile DDR Voltage ..............................1.5V
Profile QPI Voltage .............................1.1V
Channel Interleaving............................[6 Auto]
Rank Interleaving.................................[4 Auto]
>>>>> Channel A & B
Channel A Timing Settings [Press Enter]:
Cas Latency Time.............................[9 AUTO]
tRCD...........................................[9 AUTO]
tRP..............................................[9 AUTO]
tRAS...........................................[24 AUTO]
>>>>> Advanced Timing Control
tRC............................................[33 Auto]
tRRD.........................................[4 Auto]
tWTR.........................................[5 Auto]
tWR...........................................[10 Auto]
tWTP.........................................[21 Auto]
tWL...........................................[7 Auto]
tRFC..........................................[108 Auto]
tRTP..........................................[5 Auto]
tFAW........................................[20 Auto]
Command Rate (CMD).................. [1 AUTO]
>>>>> Misc Timing Control
B2B Cas Delay............................[Auto]
Round Trip Latency....................[46 Auto] NOTE all settings the same for B Channel except this one says 48 AUTO
THIS SET NOT FOUND
Channel A Turnaround Settings [Press Enter]:
Different DIMMs........................[Auto]
Different DIMMs........................[Auto]
On The Same Rank.......................[Auto]
THIS SET NOT FOUND
>>>>> Channel A Writes Followed By Writes
Different DIMMs........................[Auto]
Different DIMMs........................[Auto]
On The Same Rank.......................[Auto]
Advanced Voltage Settings:
******Mother Board Voltage Control ******
Voltage Types............Normal......Current
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>>> CPU
Load Line Calibration...................[AUTO]
CPU Vcore.....................1.3000v..[1.25000V]
QPI/VTT Voltage..........1.100v.....[AUTO]
>>> MCH/ICH
PCH Core.....................1.050v.....[Auto]
CPU PLL......................1.800v.....[Auto]
>>> DRAM
DRAM Voltage..............1.500v.....[AUTO]
DRAM Termination.........0.750v....[Auto]
Ch-A Data VRef............0.750v.....[Auto]
Ch-A Data VRef............0.750v.....[Auto]
Ch-B Data VRef............0.750v.....[Auto]
Ch-B Data VRef............0.750v.....[Auto]
Miscellaneous Settings:
Isochronous Support....................[Enabled]
Virtualisation technology..............[Enabled]
USB Storage Detect ....................[Disabled] This one NOT FOUND
TIA :)
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On an oddly (un)related note.
The freeze and soft reboot I was forced to somehow deleted all my login cookies i.e. sites like this one where I kept logged in were no longer so ~ as far as I can tell all the "stay logged in sites" were lost.
I ran my usual Hit Man Pro, MalwareBytes and SuperAntiSpyware & done a full scan using my AV software and apart from tracking cookies and one spurious setup.exe (found by Hit Man) in the Temp Internet folder all is clean :)
For the record the OS is W7 SP1 fully patched apart from not installed IE9, using IE8 now.
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Yes I find the same with IE8. If it crashes I tend to lose all my cookies when I reload.
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IE9 instantly crashes here, no matter what tabs keep crashing, I use firefox but installed IE9 for testing and quickly removed it ;D
Your BSOD 0x00000101 means not enough Vcore.
Please link or give the model of your memory, I see F3-10666CL9-4GBRLin your CPU-z images but can't find a link to that anywhere
Try these settings
Advanced Frequency Settings:
CPU Clock Ratio 21x
Advanced Core Features [Press Enter]:
Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech.................[AUTO]
CPU Cores Enabled.........................[All]
CPU Multi-Threading........................[Disabled]......... Not found << you have this? Have you updated your BIOS yet and applied optimized defaults and rebooted? If not please do!
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)..................[DISABLED]
C3/C6/ State Support.......................[Auto]
CPU Thermal Monitor........................[Auto]
CPU EIST Function.........................[DISABLED]
Bi-Directional PROCHOT..................[Auto]
QPI Clock Ratio..........................[Auto]
QPI Link Speed..........................[4.86GHz]
Uncore Clock Ratio......................[16x]
Uncore Frequency.......................2133MHz
>>>>> Standard Clock Control <<<<<
Base Clock (BCLK) Control.......................[DISABLED]
BCLK Frequency ....................................[133]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)..............[Disabled].... Not found
System Memory Multiplier (SPD)...............[AUTO] << Set 10
Memory Frequency (MHz)......................1333
PCI Express Frequency (MHz)................[Auto]
C.I.A.2.....................................................[Disabled]..... Not found
>>>>> Advanced Clock Control <<<<<
CPU Clock Drive.....................................[ 800mV]
PCI Express Clock Drive.........................[ 900mV]
CPU Clock Skew.....................................[ 0ps]
Advanced Memory Settings:
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)..........[Disabled].........Not found
System Memory Multiplier (SPD)...........[AUTO]
Memory Frequency (MHz).....................1333
Performance Enhance (SPD).................. [Turbo] << Set Extreme
DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD)............... [AUTO]
Profile DDR Voltage ..............................1.5V
Profile QPI Voltage .............................1.1V
Channel Interleaving............................[6 Auto]
Rank Interleaving.................................[4 Auto]
>>>>> Channel A & B
Channel A Timing Settings [Press Enter]:
Cas Latency Time.............................[9 AUTO]
tRCD...........................................[9 AUTO]
tRP..............................................[9 AUTO]
tRAS...........................................[24 AUTO]
>>>>> Advanced Timing Control
tRC............................................[33 Auto]
tRRD.........................................[4 Auto]
tWTR.........................................[5 Auto]
tWR...........................................[10 Auto]
tWTP.........................................[21 Auto]
tWL...........................................[7 Auto]
tRFC..........................................[108 Auto]
tRTP..........................................[5 Auto]
tFAW........................................[20 Auto]
Command Rate (CMD).................. [1 AUTO]
>>>>> Misc Timing Control
B2B Cas Delay............................[Auto]
Round Trip Latency....................[46 Auto] NOTE all settings the same for B Channel except this one says 48 AUTO
THIS SET NOT FOUND
Channel A Turnaround Settings [Press Enter]:
Different DIMMs........................[Auto]
Different DIMMs........................[Auto]
On The Same Rank.......................[Auto]
THIS SET NOT FOUND
>>>>> Channel A Writes Followed By Writes
Different DIMMs........................[Auto]
Different DIMMs........................[Auto]
On The Same Rank.......................[Auto]
Advanced Voltage Settings:
******Mother Board Voltage Control ******
Voltage Types............Normal......Current
--------------------------------------------
>>> CPU
Load Line Calibration...................[AUTO]
CPU Vcore.....................1.3000v..[1.25000V]
QPI/VTT Voltage..........1.100v.....[AUTO] << Set 1.2-1.3
>>> MCH/ICH
PCH Core.....................1.050v.....[Auto]
CPU PLL......................1.800v.....[Auto]
>>> DRAM
DRAM Voltage..............1.500v.....[AUTO] << Set 1.5-1.55
DRAM Termination.........0.750v....[Auto]
Ch-A Data VRef............0.750v.....[Auto]
Ch-A Data VRef............0.750v.....[Auto]
Ch-B Data VRef............0.750v.....[Auto]
Ch-B Data VRef............0.750v.....[Auto]
Miscellaneous Settings:
Isochronous Support....................[Enabled]
Virtualisation technology..............[Enabled]
USB Storage Detect ....................[Disabled] This one NOT FOUND << It is there, in Integrated Peripherals page (Will need re-enabled to use USB in DOS or Qflash)
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Hi both
Right, I need to print out your revised list i.e. to see the suggested amendments for when I am in the BIOS ;)
In regard to the CPU multithreading and the USB item ~ I have used Q-Flash a while ago (didn't the instructions for Q-Flash say to select 'optimised defaults' ??? I followed them to the letter 8) ) to update my BIOS to F15 (I think this is still the most up to date???) So the USB must be enabled but as you say on another 'page' in the BIOS and I am sure I read the 'page' correctly and CPU Mutlithreading was not there??? Does it only show depending on the processor fitted ~ I have the i5 760 Quad core.
As for the RAM ~ it is G-Skill RipJaw DDR3 PC3 10666, two off 4086MB on the packaging label it says CL9-9-9-24 1.5V
With the suggested settings amendments I would appreciate an explanation of what each settings does and the thinking behind the changes ~ I do like to try to understand what I am (being asked to) doing :D
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You can ignore the multi-threading as it will not be in your BIOS since the CPU does not have it.
You'll need to enable legacy storage and or legacy USB in the Integrated Peripherals page of the BIOS to flash from Qflash, here is a guide
http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte/27576-bios-flashing-how-qflash-guide.html
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Good morning Lsdmeasap
I used Dark Mantis' Q-Flash guide when I flashed the BIOS to F15 so all is well on that front :)
As mentioned if you can clue me in as to the reasoning behind the changes you suggest that would be much appreciated as I do like to understand why the changes are being made and as such what effect they are intended to yield???
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Hi Searcher
You were quite right about loading the Optimised BIOS Default settings after updating the BIOS which will put most thing to the best settings that can be made for general systems. Obviously the settings can't be optimal for every different setup so we have to tweak a few to make things the best performance they can be. I will leavre it to Lsdmeasap to explain exactly what he has altered and why.
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Hi Searcher
You were quite right about loading the Optimised BIOS Default settings after updating the BIOS which will put most thing to the best settings that can be made for general systems. Obviously the settings can't be optimal for every different setup so we have to tweak a few to make things the best performance they can be. I will leavre it to Lsdmeasap to explain exactly what he has altered and why.
Ah! point taken :) I look forward to his expanded feedback. On a related note ~ I was just going to check to see if Gigabyte had posted any BIOS updates and found a few G-Skill USA forum posts about BSD in various systems (Intel & AMD) and speed reading them some of the"settings" changes look kind of familiar to Lsdmeasap's ones but likewise with no expansion ;) Now is there some common denominator about G-Skill RAM ???
For the record this is the first time in the few builds done to date that I have had to tweak voltage & RAM settings!
Incidently this mornings bootup was a slow one and I thought darn another BSD coming.........but no it booted AOK, serenity or what ::)
Edit update - F15 is the most current BIOS
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You will probably find that a lot of the US posts were Lsdmeasap's! The thing is that everything is getting so perfected now down to the finest detail that one manufacturers memory might be slightly different to another's even though they both build within the guidlines for that spec.
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Bump ^^
Hi Lsdmeasap
Any chance of the insight answers I asked about a couple of posts back???
TIA :)
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Bump^^ ??? :) ;)
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It might be an idea to PM him as he will then get a notification of it. He doesn't always drop in the forum regularaly depending on how busy he is. ;)
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What specifically are you wanting to know? I can't explain each setting to you as that would take forever ;D
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What specifically are you wanting to know? I can't explain each setting to you as that would take forever ;D
Hi Lsadmeasap
Okey dokey, it was these specific chnages you recommend, it was these 4 settings where you gave speciific change suggestions ~ I hope you can clue me in as to the "why" change these and what effect such changes deliver i.e. not every setting just the ones you say should be changed ;)
PS For the record I had another freeze whilst having the forum page "on top" ~ only left it for 15 minuntes!!!
System Memory Multiplier (SPD)...............[AUTO] << Set 10
>>>>> Advanced Clock Control <<<<<
Performance Enhance (SPD).................. [Turbo] << Set Extreme
Advanced Voltage Settings:
******Mother Board Voltage Control ******
Voltage Types............Normal......Current
--------------------------------------------
QPI/VTT Voltage..........1.100v.....[AUTO] << Set 1.2-1.3
>>> DRAM
DRAM Voltage..............1.500v.....[AUTO] << Set 1.5-1.55
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Oh, if you have any insight on this thread please do dropin and advise :)
http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,5073.0.html
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Sorry it's taken me so long to reply back to you, just been so busy the past week at work I haven't had much time to keep up with my online duties >:(
So, did you already try the changes I suggested making or not, and if you did what issues do you currently still have and what are your exact settings now?
Here's why I suggested what you asked about
System Memory Multiplier (SPD)...............[AUTO] << Set 10 << This set's the memory speed, at 133 Bclk x 10 = 1333Mhz
>>>>> Advanced Clock Control <<<<<
Performance Enhance (SPD).................. [Turbo] << Set Extreme << This is what I find works best for many boards and many users, you can play around with any setting you like, but I'd really suggest you start with extreme as often in X58 the lower ones have been found to cause more issues than extreme.
Advanced Voltage Settings:
******Mother Board Voltage Control ******
Voltage Types............Normal......Current
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QPI/VTT Voltage..........1.100v.....[AUTO] << Set 1.2-1.3 << This is the voltage for the memory controller, you may or may not need this much (Maybe more even but not likely). This is all dependent on your CPU, they all differ, so you may need to use more/less and this all depends on the amount of memory you have, then uncore speed, memory speed and amount, and memory timings.
>>> DRAM
DRAM Voltage..............1.500v.....[AUTO] << Set 1.5-1.55 <<< Your memory is rated at 1.5v, but this is per kit, so I suggested 1.5V per spec or up to 1.55 in case you needed a little more due to having two kits as this is sometimes needed if you are using more than one set.
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Hi
Thanks for the insight, I have yet to set them as I do like to know what things do before I 'act'.
For the record this is a P55A chipset board with a pair of G-skill 4GB i.e. 8GB installed.
Based on this info are the settings you suggest still applicable as you mention the X58 chipset???
TIA for the added feedback.
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I forgot to ask???
Though the suggested changes look modest would you deem them to be overclocking???
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I suppose that anything where you are technically altering the standard timings and voltages of a system is overclocking but it is not in the real sense of the phrase.
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Sorry it's taken me so long to reply back to you, just been so busy the past week at work I haven't had much time to keep up with my online duties >:(
So, did you already try the changes I suggested making or not, and if you did what issues do you currently still have and what are your exact settings now?
Here's why I suggested what you asked about
System Memory Multiplier (SPD)...............[AUTO] << Set 10 << This set's the memory speed, at 133 Bclk x 10 = 1333Mhz
>>>>> Advanced Clock Control <<<<<
Performance Enhance (SPD).................. [Turbo] << Set Extreme << This is what I find works best for many boards and many users, you can play around with any setting you like, but I'd really suggest you start with extreme as often in X58 the lower ones have been found to cause more issues than extreme.
Advanced Voltage Settings:
******Mother Board Voltage Control ******
Voltage Types............Normal......Current
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QPI/VTT Voltage..........1.100v.....[AUTO] << Set 1.2-1.3 << This is the voltage for the memory controller, you may or may not need this much (Maybe more even but not likely). This is all dependent on your CPU, they all differ, so you may need to use more/less and this all depends on the amount of memory you have, then uncore speed, memory speed and amount, and memory timings.
>>> DRAM
DRAM Voltage..............1.500v.....[AUTO] << Set 1.5-1.55 <<< Your memory is rated at 1.5v, but this is per kit, so I suggested 1.5V per spec or up to 1.55 in case you needed a little more due to having two kits as this is sometimes needed if you are using more than one set.
Right settings changed :)
For the record in the BIOS the QPI/VTT available voltages close to what you suggest were 1.21v and the next one up was 1.23v but this was purple coloured, so will be wary of going above 1.21v (for now).
For the DRAM voltage I set it at 1.50v and the next step up is 1.56v Interestingly I noted on the HW Monitor program the DDR voltage before the change was 1.57v i.e. set to auto is apparently quite high. After the change HW Mon now reports 1.52v
Will have to see how well it behaves over the next many days as I did have a couple of BSDs in the past 3 days days :( :(
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I expect that your Dram voltage will be too low still and you will need to increase it as already advised.
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I expect that your Dram voltage will be too low still and you will need to increase it as already advised.
Granted??? Though I am starting with the advised changes (Lsdmeasap said 1.5 to 1.55v) and bearing in mind if 'auto' was running the RAM volts at 1.57 and I had the trouble.........just what will be right???
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Sorry for the late reply!
Na, I would not consider this overclocking at all, this would be setting up optimal stock settings per your hardware.
And sorry for the confusion with my X58 comment, the same applies in general to X58/P55, contrary to what used to be suggested as best on P35/P45
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As you can see has been a while since I had to post to this thread but thought I would throw this update into the ring ;)
I went away for a week and turned off the PSU so PC in "cold state" so to speak.
Came back last night powered up and seemed very slow and seemed to take ages to boot so did a hard reset with the PC power button, as it came up I got a dialogue box of at the point of POST telling me that (sorry should have taken a picture!) the settings were overclocked or overvoltaged 'press any key to continue'. I did and it proceeded to boot but all too slowly at the sort of rate that has in the past given the BSD I started this thread about.
Well fast forward to this morning and having done the various W7 updates with the reboots and it was still darned slow, so checked my HW monitor figures and that showed that the CPU volage changes made had reverted to "defaults".
At no point in these slow boots did I get the BSD showing ~ thankfully :D
Went in the BIOS and that upon entry gave me a dailogue about the overclock and that the settings shwon may not reflect the actual hardware state! Checked all the settings I had changed and they were as left.............was not sure what to make of this so went in one setting and reaccepted it said "yes" and restarted....booted nice and quick as I was getting used to.
So what gives with the BIOS reporting the issue and why revert to CPU voltage defaults but still show the adjusted figures in the BIOS screens and needing resaving to get them back running. Should I be making alt settings to compensate for the way it is 'doing things' ?
Could the backup battery be at fault though I thought changes made in the BIOS went into non volatile memory???
Further thoughts & feedback much appreciated :)
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Weird! But not unusual. It is something that seems to happen fairly often although I have no real idea of why. I would agree that changing the battery just might help so for the price it is worth a try. Also make sure that both of your BIOS versions, Main and Backup, are synchronised.
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Weird! But not unusual. It is something that seems to happen fairly often although I have no real idea of why. I would agree that changing the battery just might help so for the price it is worth a try. Also make sure that both of your BIOS versions, Main and Backup, are synchronised.
Hi DM
If this is commonplace why do Gigabyte not have a view on it and a solution???
Right, please can I have the idiots guide to backing up my current BIOS settings to the 'backup' BIOS chip :)
Now need to eyeball the battery but think it hiding under dual width video card ;) What is the advised procedure for so changing it???
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OK. Replacing the battery is easy enough once you can get at it. A small screwdriver or something similar will make things easier. It is the silver disk and is a CR2032 when you come to purchase a replacement. Just poush back the little spring clip on the top of the surround and the battery will pop out. Just push in the new one.
Regarding synchronising the BIOSes just follow these instructions:
Look to see if the BIOS chips have matching BIOS versions in them.
To check, go into the BIOS and on the MAIN page press F9 for system info. You should see both BIOS versions listed, if they do not match please update the backup BIOS to match the current.
To do that, reboot and where you would normally press DEL to enter the BIOS, instead press Alt + F12, this will flash the Backup BIOS with the MAIN BIOS contents. Do not worry when you see a recovery comment, that is normal and means it is flashing the backup BIOS.
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OK. Replacing the battery is easy enough once you can get at it. A small screwdriver or something similar will make things easier. It is the silver disk and is a CR2032 when you come to purchase a replacement. Just poush back the little spring clip on the top of the surround and the battery will pop out. Just push in the new one.
Regarding synchronising the BIOSes just follow these instructions:
Look to see if the BIOS chips have matching BIOS versions in them.
To check, go into the BIOS and on the MAIN page press F9 for system info. You should see both BIOS versions listed, if they do not match please update the backup BIOS to match the current.
To do that, reboot and where you would normally press DEL to enter the BIOS, instead press Alt + F12, this will flash the Backup BIOS with the MAIN BIOS contents. Do not worry when you see a recovery comment, that is normal and means it is flashing the backup BIOS.
Great rundown, many thanks. Will check it and do as appropriate :)
A couple of extra questions which may be related? How do you if required copy the backup BIOS to the main BIOS if needed? And is the "main" one non-volatile as surely if I swap the battery out that is a designed action to wipe the CMOS settings???
Oh, thanks for the battery number ;)
Edit - just checked and the "main" is F15 and the "backup" is F11 (I think this F11 was the one in place at time of purchase?) Tried to Alt+F12 at POST screen time and all I get is the boot menu and for the record this is a PS/2 connected keyboard and the ALT key works fine once in the OS!
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I have heard of some others having this problem before with the ALT + F12. I would say try a different keyboard if possible. If as you say it is a PS2 keyboard I wouldn't have expected any problems like this. Does everything else on the keyboard respond alright at this point ? It might be just down to timing as it has to be done correctly.
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I have heard of some others having this problem before with the ALT + F12. I would say try a different keyboard if possible. If as you say it is a PS2 keyboard I wouldn't have expected any problems like this. Does everything else on the keyboard respond alright at this point ? It might be just down to timing as it has to be done correctly.
Well AFAIK the kb is AOK at that point the only key required at F9 is ESC and that works alright and the DEL is good as it triggers getting into the BIOS.....???
As for the timimg well I wil have another go and see at what point in the POST cycle might work..............methinks it needs to be at the very earliest point in time?
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I know that it can be a bit awkward to get the timing just right as I have heard people mention it in the past.
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Hi DM
we were posting at the same time it seems so to help others here is what I typing :)
Sorted ;D it was a matter of timing!
I ALT + F12 immediately I heard the POST beep i.e. a shade in time before the screen shows the POST sequencing......held them down and waited approx 5 seconds and up came the question "do I want to copy the Main BIOS to the Backup one".....enter to accept..............as you say it then recovery completed after it counting the copied amount of data....soft turn off and reboot a few seconds later.........confirmed via F9 in the BIOS screens and the two match.
Now what about my other questions re changing the battery and loss of CMOS data..........and indeed about how to use the 'backup BIOS' to recover from a filed 'main BIOS' booting???
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Right well one down!
The Backupo BIOS should automatically come into play if the Main BIOS gets corrupted during a boot attempt. There is no way you can influence this side of things.
Regarding the loss of CMOS memory when you change a battery is not a problem as all you have to do is load Optimised BIOS Defaults and then make any other changes that you want to afterwards like boot sequence, disable floppy drive, etc
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Right well one down!
The Backupo BIOS should automatically come into play if the Main BIOS gets corrupted during a boot attempt. There is no way you can influence this side of things.
Regarding the loss of CMOS memory when you change a battery is not a problem as all you have to do is load Optimised BIOS Defaults and then make any other changes that you want to afterwards like boot sequence, disable floppy drive, etc
Ah! I see......so in regard to the battery replacement and loading BIOS defaults I will be back at square one i.e. will have to manually make the changes I have done as covered in this thread??? There was me thinking such changes were held in the CMOS backup and could be copied across easily....I must have too literal a mind at times like this ;) ;D I take that such changes are never held in either the main or backup CMOS once the battery is removed....a pity for the likes of "us" that have setup a more optimised BIOS configuration :D
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It is possible to copy the BIOS settings to the hard drive. Under the Advanced BIOS Features section of the BIOS you will find an option to Backup BIOS Image to HDD. From memory I think that the boot hard drive must be located on SATA2_0 for this to work.
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It is possible to copy the BIOS settings to the hard drive. Under the Advanced BIOS Features section of the BIOS you will find an option to Backup BIOS Image to HDD. From memory I think that the boot hard drive must be located on SATA2_0 for this to work.
Yes, I spotted that option ~ so that saves the configured settings but I wonder how you can 'copy them back to the BIOS' as I do not recall seeing that option on the list??? As for the connection of my boot drive...does it save to the boot drive then?.....cannot now remember which port so will have to watch the POST listing come up next time :)
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It automatically recalls the information if you get a corrupt BIOS. It will look on the drive first.
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It automatically recalls the information if you get a corrupt BIOS. It will look on the drive first.
Hmmm! so it only 'functions' if the BIOS is corrupted not as a method to copy settings back to the BIOS after a battery swap?
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Yes as far as I am aware. I don't think that you can use it just as you would a backup. :-\