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Overclocking, Benching, Events, Tweaking & Modding => Overclocking motherboards with Intel processors => Topic started by: WarYur on April 25, 2011, 10:07:21 am
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Hi, I have been using all Koolance ready made rad/res/pump gear for as long as I have been water cooling my pc's which has been about the last 8 years or so and now need to learn how to build my own setup with specific parts. I have been reading some of the reviews that DM has on here as well as reviews and such on Skinnee Labs, Xtremesystems.org and a plethora of other sites. That being said I have come up with a few of the items I may use and need to ask if 1) I have thought of everything I will need and 2) Whether or not all the components will play well together. Here is the short list of parts that I can readily find here in the states and then a few that all of the online stores that I know of are either outof or just do not carry.
1. Alphacool VPP-OT12 pump
2. EK-D5-X Top ver 2 (is there a better one?)
3. ThermoChill TA (or PA but TA is the newest I guess) 120.3 Triple 360 Rad (can only find the TA available from Aquatuning)
4. Thermochill Neoprene Insulation gasket that fits this rad and spacing for fans
5. Shroud for rad
6. 3.5 x 40mm black nickel plated self tapping Torx mounting screws (2 sets)
7. Fans. I cannot find any of the stores online that have the Scythe Gentle Typhoons in stock at any RPM . I haven't looked for the Xmatec ones
but doesn't this rad like higher RPM fans? Suggestions? Also found http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12120/fan-789/Silverstone_Air_Penetrator_AP121-BL_120_x_120_x_25mm_Fan_-_Blue_LED_SST-AP121-BL.html?id=AaqbasIC&mv_pc=851 (http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12120/fan-789/Silverstone_Air_Penetrator_AP121-BL_120_x_120_x_25mm_Fan_-_Blue_LED_SST-AP121-BL.html?id=AaqbasIC&mv_pc=851) that I suggested to DM but is the CFM high enough for the rad? Need to look also to see if I can install both top and bottom fans (push/pull) If I had my druthers I woud rather have at least and LED in the fans if not UV Blue reactive but function before fashion...
3 Some kind of res dunno yet (suggestions?)
4. Primochill Primoflex Pro LRT 3/8" ID tubing UV Blue 10 feet?
5. some kind of front panel display for fans/pump/heat indicators (suggestions? I found this one: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8384/bus-175/Thermal-Star_LCD_Media_Panel_7-in-1_Card_Reader_Fan_Controller_Temp_Display_TS-T001.html?id=AaqbasIC&mv_pc=855 (http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8384/bus-175/Thermal-Star_LCD_Media_Panel_7-in-1_Card_Reader_Fan_Controller_Temp_Display_TS-T001.html?id=AaqbasIC&mv_pc=855)
that also has a 7 in one card reader but it's kindof spendy (but cool looking)
6. Heatkiller 3.0 LT (Looks like I'm selling the Corsair H-70 if possible (not selling here and now BTW)(which one goes best with socket 1155 or will
the socket 1156 one fit. It says it does on one site (performance-pcs.com) and all the others only mentions 1156)
7. Have most of the necessary barbs, angles, stuff
Sorry if that is hard to read. Am I leaving anything out? I have a Corsair 800D Full Tower case with tons of room but still am notsure where I will put a reservior or what size I need. Front panel, tall cylindrical? Since I am opting to do a single loop through the CPU and two EVGA GTX 480's that all will be overclocked as far as I can take them and the cards are HOT! Also the water blocks that I have for them are Koolance high density copper with nickel plating. Will that play well with everything else and using distilled water? Speaking of which is there a certain kind of D water or process it's made with that is better than others?
Please feel free to rip apart everything I have chosen and/or make any suggestions/hints/directions/whatever you would like becasue this will be my very first real water cooling build. THANKS!
ok, edit here. I just found these fans that are Yate Loon and Blue; http://www.frozencpu.com/products/6177/fan-347/Yate_Loon_120mm_x_25mm_UV_Reactive_LED_Fan_-_UV_Blue_D12SH-124UB.html?id=PjMudFPj&mv_pc=5167 (http://www.frozencpu.com/products/6177/fan-347/Yate_Loon_120mm_x_25mm_UV_Reactive_LED_Fan_-_UV_Blue_D12SH-124UB.html?id=PjMudFPj&mv_pc=5167) So how about 6 of these for a push/pull on my rad? Or is there any real benefit from a push/pull config?
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Hi
Firstly I would encourage you to forget your first two items and instead go for the Alphacool VPP655 pump complete with versatile head unit. I have just reviewed it here:
http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,5078.0.html
This pump actually performs better with this head than the standard offering. The attached head is even better than the EK version and it comes ready built.
Rad should be fine but there is realy very little to choose between rads. Just get the size that suits best and then push a load of air through it and it will cool your water. The difference between top and bottom ends are quite small. Some rads are much thicker than others though and so will take a lot more liquid at once making them more effective. Within reason the m,ore air you cna pass through a rad the more heat you will be able to disperse. The only problem with that is with more airflow/faster fans comes more noise.
The reservoir really is up to you as to where and what size you want to use. You can light this with LEDs too.
As I said in my PM there is no problem withthe HeatKiller 3.0 fitting either 1156 or 1155 sockets. I did find with mine though that I had to reorientate it through 90 degrees to clear the capacitor bank beside the CPU socket.
The control panel looks fine but I have no experience with this one at all.
You are doing the right thing though ion buying quality gear from the outset as often people try and save a bit of money and say "this will do" only to find out later that it doesnt and then have to purchase the proper item on top of their initial outlay.
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Well, I couldn't find the Heatkiller 3 special black nickel and black CPU chrome block anywhere except for aquatuning.com (US and Canada) but I still have to wait for it to come into their Germany warehouses on the 2nd of next month. Then I REALLY liked that Phobya 5.25 single front bay res that you reviewed and again the only place I could find it was aquatuning but it doesn't come in until the 27th of next month! That particular one probably isn't big enough for my purposes anyway. I suppose I could manage to just use my laptop for gaming for another month but I have the w/c fever right now and want all this stuff YESTERDAY! I don't want to order all the stuff I have saved in several carts right now until I can get everything at least mostly all at once though so I guess I had just better go and walk my dog and continue to peruse the web for a res that catches my eye. I wonder if that site that you buy from sells to the states? At least Aquatuning doesn't charge the VATS charge whatever that is. Is that like your version of taxes? They only charge shipping which is pretty cool although it does say something about a 9.5% customs fee. Is that what VATS is?
I did find this res online though but I need to know if the Alphacool VPP655 will work inside of it now. http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11219/ex-res-232/XSPC_Dual_525_Bay_Reservoir_-_Laing_D5_MCP655_w_Blue_LED_Light_-_Clear_Silver_Black.html?tl=g30c97&id=DLX7Crou&mv_pc=26823 (http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11219/ex-res-232/XSPC_Dual_525_Bay_Reservoir_-_Laing_D5_MCP655_w_Blue_LED_Light_-_Clear_Silver_Black.html?tl=g30c97&id=DLX7Crou&mv_pc=26823)
Hey i have one dumb question as well. It's more of a forum usage question but on most sites I frequent or even for an email message you can make any word into a clickable URL but here I can't figure out how to do that. Is it possible and how? Some of the URL's I have been putting in here are super long so it would clean things up a bit if I could just make one small word into a URL.
Thanks!
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I am not sure if the http://www.candccentral.co.uk/ shop I use ships abroad but it would be worth an email.
VAT is a EEC tax and as so is only applicable if the item is being sold in the EEC. Any sales outside of the community are VAT free.
I will find out about the hyperlink for you. I know it is possible but I am not sure of the technicallities as I don't use it like that.
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So, I still know if the Alphacool VPP655 will work inside of it now. http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11219/ex-res-232/XSPC_Dual_525_Bay_Reservoir_-_Laing_D5_MCP655_w_Blue_LED_Light_-_Clear_Silver_Black.html?tl=g30c97&id=DLX7Crou&mv_pc=26823
OR, the better question might be, what would you use in a Corsair 800D Full Tower case with a CPU block and 2 GTX 480 blocks? This case has mucho room in it and there are enough bays in the front for my 2 optical drives, the readouts for temp, rpms, etc, and a two bay res. How much volume or amount of liquid would I need. If that didn't make sense I understand the more the water the better the cooling and there are many size of reservoirs as to how much liquid they can hold. Where is a good place to start with the amount of coolant used? The res is the final thing I need to choose on and I am having a hard time deciding because I don't know the manufacturers and how efficient each one is. The one above you put inside of the res and they said it would keep the pump quieter but it only had (on that website) the following info regarding features.
Supports one Laing D5 / Swiftech MCP655 pump
Removable Brushed Aluminium Faceplates
High Quality Acrylic
Brass screw threads with anti-vibration mounts
2x 5mm LED hole
Individually pressure tested
Also these are the specs;
Fitting Ports: 2 x G1/4"
Included: Black and silver aluminum faceplates
Pump Mount plate
Pump Mount Screws
Bay mounting screws
Allen key
Tailed 4-Pin blue LED
Dimensions: 149 x 96.5 x 85.5mm
Thread: G1/4"
What reservoir company or product do you use the most?
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Yes that reservoir and pump would be fine. I use the same model with a Alphacool VPP655 in series as I have a massive loop the size of which you can't imagine. The XSPC unit is quite powerfull and i have had no problems with mine. Doin't forget you can have a loop without a reservoir at all. It just helps as a buffer and for getting rid of air when you first run the system etc. It would be more than adequate in size and performance.
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Yes that reservoir and pump would be fine. I use the same model with a Alphacool VPP655 in series as I have a massive loop the size of which you can't imagine. The XSPC unit is quite powerfull and i have had no problems with mine. Doin't forget you can have a loop without a reservoir at all. It just helps as a buffer and for getting rid of air when you first run the system etc. It would be more than adequate in size and performance.
Very good! Thank you once again. I can't imagine how you manage to answer all of the questions on this forum that you do and then do reviews as well. You wouldn't happen to have a picture or two of your rig would you? Or should I say rigs... Your main one anyway? No problem if ya can't.
Now, taking a deep breathe, I go to order the gear. I guess i must like making sure the UPS people have a steady job...
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Just long hours! No magic just a lot of time put into working. ;)
There are pictures of my rigs in the Pictures of Member's Computers here:
http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,2373.45.html
but I notice that some of the origianl pics have ben lost by Imageshack so it looks like I will have to upload them again later.
There are more here: http://dudpc.com/viewforum.php?f=12&sid=3c8d89ac83292287e4b78cad3f607211
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Sweet! :o I love that test bed bench too. You ought to retail those!
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I know did look into it as I had quite a lot of interest but a cheap Laser cutting machine big enough to do the job is £3500 + VAT starting and then you need other parts too. Have to build a lot of cases to make it profitable. Not possible to do by hand for any number as the time to polish the edges etc is just too great.
Anyhow glad you like them. I have another in mind but the cost is stoppping me at the moment.
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Ya cost is a good plan stopper. I just spent far more than I should have and will be paying that off for the next couple of years... I hope that this 1155 will last me a good while but then you know how that goes what with Moores Law in effect and the need for speed.
Say I now have yet another w/c question. Are there any water blocks made for my motherboard (Gigabyte P67A-UD7-B3)? Or would I even need one?
EDIT: I found some but I don't like the looks of them at all compared to what the board looks like stock so never mind! LOL...
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Generally I wouldn't bother as the P67 boards and chips run much cooler than previous versions and so far I find it hardly even warm in comparison.
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WarVur
Your limited by your imagination, the capacity of my system was border-line for me so I strapped on a Phobya Balancer 450 across the top (External) , matched with there "G"-Changer 360 Rad, the ultra thin fins are definitely quieter when you push any quantity of air through them......And DM , A couple of years ago now but Doing a 12 month contract with a big food producer in OZ we were building with a lot of Acrylic and Polycarbonate, laser and water-cutting was the norm although instead of mechanical polishing (Mech Mop by hand) we were sending all our work out for flame polishing on all edges......Bloody amazing how good it was and faaaaaaaaaaar cheaper!
Aussie Allan
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WarVur
Your limited by your imagination, the capacity of my system was border-line for me so I strapped on a Phobya Balancer 450 across the top (External) , matched with there "G"-Changer 360 Rad, the ultra thin fins are definitely quieter when you push any quantity of air through them......And DM , A couple of years ago now but Doing a 12 month contract with a big food producer in OZ we were building with a lot of Acrylic and Polycarbonate, laser and water-cutting was the norm although instead of mechanical polishing (Mech Mop by hand) we were sending all our work out for flame polishing on all edges......Bloody amazing how good it was and faaaaaaaaaaar cheaper!
Aussie Allan
Hi Allen, Forgive me but I am not quite sure what your meaning is by I am not sure what you mean by I am limited by my imagination. This is the first time I have put together a system without just using a Koolance all in one product such as the Exos 2.5, etc and so have no knowledge of which parts are best although I did do a lot of research on different forums and then skinnee.com and the RAD that I finally decided upon was the one that Skinnee liked the best with all of his testing there on his site. If you mean that I should use an extra RAD and/or res then you just do not understand that I have only put here the stuff that I didn't have to build anew. I did think of putting another reservoir in between the two EVGA GTX 480's though but as I said I have other reservoirs around here somewhere to put there already. I also have all the water blocks from Koolance except for the CPU which I am still waiting for from aquatuing.com in Germany. The only things on the loop with be the 2 x GTX 480's and an Intel i7 2600k and of course all overclocked as far as I can push them but I am thinking so far that an extra res won't be necessary. Time will tell but I pretty much have everything else that I will need for this build. If the 16GB of RAM gets too hot I can always throw a fan on them or fans rather. Then too you may not have read all of the posts I have here and/or the conversation from start to finish (so far) that I have had ongoing with DM in getting to the place I now am in my choices which are all already here in my possession save the water block and backplate for same. I am also going to have a push/pull going on with the triple rad that will be on top of my 800D. Oh, and originally I was looking for the Phobya res but it wasn't in stock anywhere so I went with the one I did.
So other than what I have already mentioned, did you have another meaning? Don't get me wrong by the way, I WILL take any and all comment. pro or con with anything I say on here... ;D
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WarYur
I am sure that Allan only meant it in a good way and as a means of being constructive WarYur ;)
I would think that you must be nearly ready to complete your system now.
Allan
Thanks for the flame edge polishing tip. I had tried it myself but without success or at least to the standard I wanted and I couldn't find anyone locally that offers the service. I agree though that it is the ideal way to go. I don't want to get into all that shipping thing as it gets expensive and time consuming.
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DM, No I really didn't take what AA said negatively at all and had hoped that what I said at the end would show that but then I guess trying to explain my shown choices didn't convey my openness to suggestion very well either. In asking what he meant by lack of imagination I wasn't attacking or seemingly taking offense I was more asking for him to be a bit more specific regarding what exactly I was missing as what he said to me was a bit vague. A statement more like hey W, maybe you need to put another reservoir there or perhaps another rad in that position would have been far more helpful for me anyway. Since this will be the very first build with separate parts rather than the Koolance offerings that were more all in one combinations save the specific water blocks, tubing, and various hardware for the tubing I am totally open to suggestion. That is why I have been asking you so any questions too but you were saying that one didn't really even need a reservoir if I am not mistaken although I can't see putting a water cooled system together without one but then I may have misunderstood you as well which is a thing I seem to be pretty good at. ::) All that said do you think that with the 2 x GTX 480's in my loop that run pretty hot without them being overclocked that I should go ahead and put a reservoir in between them or might you or AA have any specific suggestions about what I should put where in the loop overall? I am totally in learning mode once again so I will certainly take any and all suggestions. My only issue now however is if I did actually need something that i don't have laying around here somewhere is that I have already spent WAY too much money... :o
So far this is one of the friendliest forums I have been around and especially you as a mod have been more than helpful where on other forums someone asking the more basic questions might have just been ignored which has happened to me back when I was first just learning to build a computer let alone do any water cooling. I am still unsure about some of the aspects of building with the specific parts since this is the first time doing so as I already said with such things as how to install the fans on the top and bottom of the three fan radiator and other basic things but having a fair idea of how to do it I am sure that I will prevail. You are correct though I do have about everything I need and have been installing some of it so that I will only have to install the CPU water block when it finally gets here. Remember I bought that HeatKiller from Aquatuning that was supposed to be in on the 2nd of May and then that turned into today, the 10th of May and I still won't know if they got it in today until this afternoon sometime.
Speaking of the Watercool HeatKiller CPU water block, it doesn't come with a backplate and the person who answered my email when I asked whether or not it came with one told me that one wasn't actually necessary but that many people bought one anyway. Should I then order a back plate for it anyway? I was surprised that it didn't come with a back plate actually because the two I have from Koolance have backplates so I assumed that they all came with them.
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Regarding the Heatkiller 3's backplate I really don't know why it doesn't come included as in my opion it should be. I reckon that if you are fairly competent with your hands that you could easilly customise any 1156/1155 backplate that you have to fit. I would advise using one though to sprtead the load. The motherboards today are much thinner than they use dto be and will bend and distort much more easilly.
The answer to the reservoir question is basically right. You do not need a reservoir and for many years didn't have them as an option. However they do make things easier and allow for expansion of the water as it gets hotter if you leave a bit of air in the reservoir. Acts a bit like a buffer. It also makes it easier to fill the loop and clear the air bubbles.
Thank you for the kind words and I am glad that you find it a friendly atmosphere here. I never mind helping anyone (as long as they remain civil) as there was a time albeit ages ago when the boot was on the other foot and I was the one learning. ;)
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DM where always learning...... and I've got a new post later on tonight that we all need to read, even it's just to remind us what we've forgot!
Now back to business....."Limited to our imagination"......I,ll try and expand on this a little with an example.
When I was designing my last rigg, Because I was going for so many water block cooling points, I was worried about compound water temp in the loop, that is the temp of the water going from CPU-GPU-2X Mosfets-TRI-Bridge block ..ext,ext ... it might start out at 28C but could be as high as 34-38C by the last block.... by putting in a "Y" Tube connector just after the pump outlet and another just before going back to reservoir, I still have a single loop circuit but I can split the temp load......CPU and GPU on one bypass as this is the blocks with the highest flow rating (in quick, out quick which help hold down temps down in a given cycle) and tri-block for north/south and 2 off mosfets which have an impeded flow because of block design, this also has another plus as the pressure load over the entire circuit is also reduced, helping overall efficiency still further.........just one way I used my imagination to build something that little bit better, faster , neater .
Aussie Allan
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Yes I agree. Some of these loops can get quite complicated especially if you are trying to find the optimum direction for the maximum number of components. I was just going over a very complex loop which a friend is building on another forum I help out on. He's watercooling everything including his pump! Well not quite the pump but everything else that you can think of. I am a bit concerned as he has a multi pump setup which is going to be running at about 30+ lbs sq in. and he's not finished yet!
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A little bit of Knowledge can be a Dangerous thing sometimes, especially if you have deep pockets, ....By the sound of it he's got a number of pumps in series, (Series for head, Parallel for flow) which does nothing to improve flow-rate really (Fact!) but overcomes restriction and resistance on a given circuit to a some extent, pretty handy too if a pump goes down,
Having ultra high head pressure set-ups in reality goes against current block design as most manufactures are opting for impeded flow in their blocks, high velocity coolant hammering into the fins and then get it out fast works well!
Most people haven't got there heads around the term "Critical Flow Rate" as yet, eg........Once a given fluid (at a set viscosity) has reached critical flow through a given restriction.......no matter how much more pressure is applied the flow rate will remain constant..... really is quite an exponential formula ......you end up throwing a lot of Watts and lb/per/sq/in for very little gain after a certain point.
Ive always remembered one handy engineering snip, and that is : " A 2" pipe can carry 8X more fluid at a given pressure then a 1" pipe"
If you put a flow metre in the circuit and fire up only one pump and take a reading , ...then fire up both pumps.......... I'll bet my left knacker the difference would be around the 10-15% mark at best............"Please God Let Me Be Right"
Aussie Allan
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Well now I don't know what I should do except try and get my money back from Aquatuning. The Watercool HeatKiller CPU water block now says "Shipping date unknown" right above the product itself so it appears as if i won't be getting the HEATKILLER special edition nickel black chrome CPU block from Aquatuning. I had a hunch that something was amiss this morning actually when they didn't get back to me regarding the backplate for that block. I'm not liking the fact that they are kindof ignoring me right now as t hey have not either answered my last comment/question about that block and have yet to tell me via email that they won't be getting it in today and that they do not know when it might come in now. Definitely not cool. If I had a customer that had just spent over $400 on my website I would be doing everything I could do to make sure that he/she came back for more the next time they needed more parts. I really wanted that particular block too as it is the best looking one for the motherboard I have and is just all around a well made water block. I sure hope that it won't be a hassle in getting my money back from them. I need it to be able to order another one from another site.
I tried to go onto the Watercool web site to try and order one of them directly from them but for some reason Firefox won't translate the page for me. From what I could make out on their site though they only sell to companies/people over on that side of the pond. MAN! I want this rig to be ready to game Yesterday! I still have that Corsair CPU H-70 if push comes to shove though but I really didn't want to use that thing.. Anyone have any other suggestions as to what CPU block I could use that IS in stock somewhere? I sure wish that I could contact that Watercool website though to see if they know of any resellers in the states that might still have one of the special edition blocks out there
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Hi WarYur
Doesn't seem to be going well for you in regard of the HeatKiller 3.0 and Aquatuning. They are a very big company and in general reliable athough any firm can have it's problems with deliveries. You could always try the UK Aquatuning site and see if they could help you. They seem to have most of them in stock.
https://www.aquatuning.co.uk/index.php/XTCsid/j1828s6ev57adva8v1nn0t2vvacjbstj
Allan I hope that you weren't attached to that left knacker! :o The OP in question is a cooling engineer and has been checking as he went with flow gauges etc.
I agree in principle though that you can only push a liquid so hard before reaching a point of diminishing returns.
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Hi WarYur
Doesn't seem to be going well for you in regard of the HeatKiller 3.0 and Aquatuning. They are a very big company and in general reliable athough any firm can have it's problems with deliveries. You could always try the UK Aquatuning site and see if they could help you. They seem to have most of them in stock.
https://www.aquatuning.co.uk/index.php/XTCsid/j1828s6ev57adva8v1nn0t2vvacjbstj
Allan I hope that you weren't attached to that left knacker! :o The OP in question is a cooling engineer and has been checking as he went with flow gauges etc.
I agree in principle though that you can only push a liquid so hard before reaching a point of diminishing returns.
I'd really like to see the data when he's further down the track.......And WarYur...the heat killer is a very good performer but if you google temp tables for CPU waterblocks you'll see there isnt that much between the best and worst ... maybe 6C across the lot...what set heatkiller apart is it's overall design especially mounting ang backplate design..........if I was you, I'd hold out.
DM!
Me Meck inginear .... See, eavan spill like one.......in principal I'll stand by my statements.........Over the next couple of days I'll dig up some links you might find handy reading,...and although I don't want to get into a pissing competition or free a vasectomy paid for by Gigabyte, I'll agree to Water pistols at 10 paces.
Aussie Allan
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Fair enough Allan! As I say in principle I would agree with your hypothesis but he is one of these that isn't short of a bob or two and likes to push things to the limit even if it isn't cost effective! He does a lot of LN2 and DICE etc. The more off the wall the better.
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DM
The US and Canada website are exactly the same as the ones for any other country but thanks anyway. I just got an email back from Aquatuning says thing the guy I was taking to in the offices over there as any communication whether it says US or UK goes to the same place in Germany. I kindof flamed the poor guy for not being up front with me and then found out that he was out for the weekend so now I feel badly for doing so. I have now asked him if he could give watercool a call or email and ask them to at least send them one of that water block for me anyway but he also may have refunded my money back to PayPal too. Now PayPal I am still pretty upset with because knowing their habit of taking money first out of your bank account and then going to any credit card on their system for you I went in and deleted totally my bank account and left the credit cards there so that they would be forced to take the money from the credit card but that backfired on me for some reason as they had my bank account still on file somewhere and took me into arrears making me scramble to put $200 back into checking and having to pay about $60 worth of overdrafts. Grrrr.... Luckily I had the money elsewhere but still... So anyway are you saying that maybe I should just choose one of the other Watercool water blocks for my CPU or what? Which one would you get that they have?
AA
So you are saying that I should just wait for when watercool gets off their duff and sends Aquatuning one of the water blocks that I want? You want ME to be patient? Interesting concept... LOL. You are probably right of course but I really wanted to have this rig up and running by now. However I just send Aquatuning a note saying for one thing that I was sorry for making any flame oriented comments (I hate humility!) ;) and two if they hadn't already put the money for the block back into PayPal I would appreciate them getting an exact date from watercool and that I might wait for the block if it isn't that much longer. If I spoke whatever language that is on the main watercool pages I would find the appropriate phone number and call them to find out from the horses mouth so to speak if they planned on ever sending Aquatuning that water block but since I can't tell which phone numbers are for what I am kindof at their mercy especially since I won't know if they will send that water block tomorrow or three months from now...
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If you want to know what the numbers are for even in another language you cna always use your friend Google.
I was just mentioning that there were most of the Heatkiller range in stock in the UK store fo Aquatuning so I can't see why they can't arrange to send one from there.
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If you want to know what the numbers are for even in another language you cna always use your friend Google.
I was just mentioning that there were most of the Heatkiller range in stock in the UK store fo Aquatuning so I can't see why they can't arrange to send one from there.
Ya but, Looking at one languages pages is the same as looking on any other of the specific language pages which of course would include the actual German site becasue it all comes from the same warehouse in Germany. Sorry if I wasn't making that clear enough. I know they have other Watercool water blocks on their site as do many of the places in the states that carry them but each and every site in the US specifically does not have that special water block so it sure must have been one that everyone wanted as they are all showing out of stock for it. I suppose I could do the Google thing for their specific office numbers at watercool and I have a Vonage line in my place so it shouldn't be TOO expensive to call them but I wonder if they have anyone there that speaks English? I guess there's only one way to find that out huh? Since Google is pretty much embedded (if that is the correct word for it) in my Firefox browser as it brings up their different tools when I hit upon something that one of them can be used automatically to include the language translator I just thought that if I could have done that it would have already suggested it but you never know so now I am off to see if I can find a Watercool phone number and someone that understands me over there after I get done here. I'll have to look up the time difference once again becasue now I can't remember how many hours ahead of us you guys are. I think it is as much as 8 hours though right?
Also I was asking too if any of the ones that they do have in stock would be alright but keeping in mind that the color scheme for my rig is just as important to me as the power I can tweak out of the build. AA mentioned that there was only a difference of around 6* C between all the blocks but to me 6*C could make a huge difference if it was a difference of shutting my system down or not. I'm even re-considering the usage of the silver colored hardware that I have for installing the tubing but I can't get away from the silver colored GTX 480 water blocks because I can't spend too much more. Me has no deep pockets here boss. Sadly... :'( Don't I wish I did! I would be running a computer the size of half my living room if I did. LOL... WMWAHAHAHAAA. (or however you might spell a deep maniacal laugh)
So is that "special edition" of the Watercool CPU block any different in the inner workings of it? I can Google that as well but figure you already know.
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No the special edition only differs from most of the others in the range by it's outward appearance. There is one cheaper one that is not quite so good.
Depending on where you are in the States we are roughly 8 hours ahead of you.
I agree 6C is a big difference and to be honest I doubt that you would ever see that much, probably more like 2-3C.
You obviously have the same sort of ideas as me when it comes to computer building! ;D
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Hiya, and Good Morning! LOL, this is about the time of day (early morning that I start to play my PC games so that I don't wake the neighbors. That is probably the only reason we are on at the same time a lot because some days I don't play anything so I am all about looking up stuff regarding the next rig I am TRYING to build. I really like the skinneelabs reviews a lot. Very informative and he or someone there anyway in a review on the HK ver 3 LT was saying that he put a 1mm layer of Silicon caulk on top of the impingement plate and got even better results with his tests doing that on both the LT and LC models. Pretty cool... I would imagine that you would have already seen it but here is the URL anyway; http://skinneelabs.com/heatkiller-3-0-lt-lc/2/ (http://skinneelabs.com/heatkiller-3-0-lt-lc/2/)
Now I am wondering what the HK ver 3 LT block that is that golden color looks like and/or matches the gold looking color on the P67A-UD7 I have here. I did finally write to Watercool to see if they were planning on sending aquatuning anything in the near future or could I buy the CPU waterblock I wanted from them directly. It remains to be seen what they will answer and IF they will bother answering some idiot in the states. LOL... I added that I understood that was really none of my business whether or not they were about to ship their products to aquatuning but I really did need to know so that if not I would go and try for another water block. ;D I needed to give it a shot anyway... I did look look at the block that looked a bit like the special edition one but it's not even an LT model and I suppose no matter what it looks like that is the model I want. Just nothing silver colored. Yuck! As I said earlier though I may have to have some silver color in there or buy all new hardware which probably won't be happening unless I go out and steal some hubcaps or something. (NOT!) I really like the black barbs and such with the UV blue tubing I bought though...
Ya well I may have the same sort of ideas that you have but there is a rather large difference in what you know and understand about water cooling and even computer building than i do. I did find out that it is possible to teach an old dog new tricks though! 8) I get a kick out of building computers and I wish I hadn't found that out mid life but I will be enjoying my games and building newer and faster computers in a rocking wheelchair one day. LOL... Well, now I am off to play a bit and then hit the sack.
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I get a kick out of building computers and I wish I hadn't found that out mid life
That's probably that there weren't any around when we were younger. Real shame just think of the fun we could have had.
I think Watercool should write back to you if only as a concerned customer as after all if it wasn't for the likes of you they wouldn't have a market. A fact that I am sure isn't lost on them.
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YES! Watercool did write back and told me that they knew that Aquatuning was out of that block and that they were on the process of making them now and that they should have some in "a few days". Unfortunately I had already told Aquatuning to go ahead and do a refund yesterday and so now that money is in limbo somewhere. LOL, Impatient we were... Sorry am I.
Anyway I just wrote Aquatuning back and asked if they couldn't just rebill me through PayPal when the block does come in but I am not sure if they will do that or not.
So what did you think of the mod that skinneelabs did to the HK 3 block they were testing to get better temps? Think it's a good idea to do that?
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It seemed to work better after the customisation but don't forget these are the lower end blocks not the one you have ordered. I really don't think I would bother doing that unless my temps were reaching the critical point. Also skinnee is using a lot of water pressure compared to most people.
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Yes, I noticed all of the pumps he had going and extra everything to boot... Sure wish a had A CPU water block! ::) LOL, I almost burned my laptop up last night playing a new game on Steam. I really thought it was a goner there for awhile but I finally found the trouble and got it back up and running again. Phew! Out of the blue my system starts to shut down during the game and the temps were upwards of 80*C on the i7 Q740 in this rig. When I booted it back up the CPU was still running at 50% and the temps were still way up there and the CPU which has Turboboost was well over what it's maximum frequency should have been at around 2.7 Ghz! EEK! I couldn't figure it out right then and there so i went to bed.
This morning with a fresh outlook I opened up the Task Manager and found this program or whatever called PresetationFontCache was running to beat the band so then I went online and luckily found a fix for it which of course was simply turning it off and deleting everything attached to it but I still can't figure out what turned it on in the first place besides the obvious (the game).
I think I need to go and take a look at the game's forum on Steam before I fire it up again tonight. Oh, the game was (is) called "Hydrophobia: Prophecy"
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Laptop stands with USB fans work a treat and cheap.......I've done reviews on a couple including phase-change mats..........they all work! tilt the keyboard forward a touch too making for better access to the keyboard!
Aussie Allan
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I think I need to go and take a look at the game's forum on Steam before I fire it up again tonight. Oh, the game was (is) called "Hydrophobia: Prophecy"
Hydrophobia if I remember right is Rabies!
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Ya I have a three fan (120mm) aluminum NZXT underneath my laptop but I had NO idea what to buy when I got that one. I should probably change out the stock fans one of these days too but just haven't gotten around to it yet. Hey, it's on the list though... I will have to go and take a look at your reviews though Allen. Where might said reviews be located? Now Phase Change would be pretty cool! (pun intended). I was wondering how I could OC the Intel Q740M in this thing.
I don't know though now I am thinking I should have my head examined for buying a Toshiba (sorry Toshiba) because there hasn't been even one driver update for the gforce GTX 460M in it. At first we couldn't install the WHQL drivers from the nvidia site becasue while trying to install them a little note would come up that we should go to the Toshiba site to download graphics drivers becasue of how they integrate everything along with the way it goes to sleep when you close the lid and other stuff. There was quite a talk up on their forum on this subject and finally a few of us found out by trial and error that we could install beta drivers for some reason.
I guess there is another way to get around Toshiba and alter some files in the nvidia folders to make them install on these machines but after installing the beta driver the next time I tried the WHQL and the darn thing installed great and so now we can be up to date on the graphics end of things.
Toshiba sells these laptops as a gaming laptop and then never upgrades their graphics drivers and that is ludicrous since nvidia puts out newer drivers with the coming of newer games usually. That way you can run the games, faster, better, brighter... You know the drill.
DM you are so right...
hy·dro·pho·bi·a
noun /ˌhīdrəˈfōbēə/
Extreme or irrational fear of water, esp. as a symptom of rabies in humans
I guess this game is a remake that never made it to the shelves and I am beginning to see why. It could be a great game if they would stop with all of the pause for a short clip things that are going on. It is visually pretty good but I began playing once again last night and it just disappeared from my screen with no errors and so I changed to Fallout; New Vegas for a while. I never get tired of the Fallout series and they should be coming out with a new DLC here on the 15th I believe. LOL, you can sure tell I am not married eh?
Man, I was looking at the new Z68 boards GB is now putting out and now I want one of those! Oh well, you have to always expect stuff like that to happen any time you buy something new a few weeks/months later something twice as good comes out. I probably should have waited for socket 2012 to come out or the one after that but I can't think of what that one is right now. I usually skip one new thing before getting new stuff. I hope that nvidia comes out with something newer pretty soon but i guess the 500 series is still fairly new.
I see you prefer ATI, are they better cards or is that just a preferential thing?
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I think you mean socket LGA2011 actually!
The AMD Radeon cards in my opinion are better as they are more stable, quieter and don't get so hot. They also tend to be a bit cheaper. Probably if you want brute force power then the nVidia cards are slightly in front but not by any amount. I like the dependability of the Radeons and the fact that they don't fry anything within a 10 foot radius. Their power requirement is not so high either. Then there is the Eyfinity which as soon as I can afford another huge monitor I will enable and enjoy no end. All in all better cards I think. ;)
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I think you mean socket LGA2011 actually!
The AMD Radeon cards in my opinion are better as they are more stable, quieter and don't get so hot. They also tend to be a bit cheaper. Probably if you want brute force power then the nVidia cards are slightly in front but not by any amount. I like the dependability of the Radeons and the fact that they don't fry anything within a 10 foot radius. Their power requirement is not so high either. Then there is the Eyfinity which as soon as I can afford another huge monitor I will enable and enjoy no end. All in all better cards I think. ;)
Some say tomata, ... some say tomutu , I don't have Half of DMs experience and Knowledge but I know it really comes down to personal taste and application, if your mainly gaming Either brand will produce excellent results .... But if you change your main workload to include say editing ... "CUDA" ( accelerated Mercury Playback Engine) is like a dishwasher! ... Once you use it , you'll never go back.
Sure they run hot, you just have to treat them like a Nuclear Reactor and throw plenty of water at them, Utilizing CPU and GPU at the same time to accelerate software,... if set-up properly is Magic on a 27" Monitor ..................It's part of the Future I'm sure!
Aussie Allan
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Yes I am sure that you are right there. They each have their strengths and depending on which you value more is which way you go. Just a shame you can't install both at the same time!
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DM, I thought that there was a way that you could install both but perhaps I am getting something mixed up there. We have observed that it is possible that I can do that! :o Like saying 2012 rather than 2011 which of course IS what I meant. Hey, I DO have several great excuses... ;D
I have pretty much always bought geforce so I guess it turned into a habit. You are SO right about the heat though. I called my last rig the fireplace because during the winter all I had to do to get warm was sit near my PC , monitor, and battery back-up and I could be nice and toasty in a very short period of time. Those GTX 480's are especially hot and the more when OCed. I guess they turned the heat down a bit in the 500 series. Maybe the next round of nvidia cards they will get it right.
I get to buy whatever that is too. That is IF I am able to save the money up in time. I try and skip a new technology each time something radically different comes out like in the CPU and graphics cards. It seems all the other components in our PC's don't have the rivalry that AMD/Intel, and ATI/nvidia does. It's too bad too because I would wish for sound card companies to have some competition going on. If you have ever tried to use
Not that there isn't any competition between motherboards and other parts but obviously the graphics and CPU industries are the most competitive and we get to enjoy the outcomes. It's great now though being able to play any game out there just about on the very highest settings and/or in 3D as well. I thought I read where nvidia's 3D surround was somewhat better than ATI's Eyefinity(?) As AA said though, you have a much better understanding of what is better and why than I do DM but hey, what's wrong with brute force? ::)
I only have the one Acer GD235HZS 23.6" 1080P at 120hz. After I went and saw "Avatar" in 3D I was sold though and went and bought that nvidia 3D kit and the Acer monitor although I wish that I would have held out for one of the other ones that were coming out at the time (I can't remember the names of the monitors I was looking at right now but I have been really happy with the Acer anyway). It would be pretty neat to have 3 of them though no matter which graphics card you were doing 3D in. Actually I do have other monitors but none that work together for 3D vision. My apartment wasn't built the right way for me to have the room for three monitors across my desk anyway with all the other "stuff" I have on there. Now what I would like to have would be three 55" 3D capable flat screens in either eyefinity or 3D vision! Talk about immersion!
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Now what I would like to have would be three 55" 3D capable flat screens in either eyefinity or 3D vision! Talk about immersion!
It is something that I have sat and imagined also. However I think that would need a bit of "brute force" for that sort of display.
Of course at the moment we are in the part of the cycle where the hardware is driving the software unlike a few years ago where it was the other way around. Now the software is trying to utilise all the power the hardware has put at it's disposal but still can't manage it, although I am sure it won't be long before some new innovation comes along that will eat up all the spare Ghz available.
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I am sure you are right. Interesting that you had also thought of the huge displays. I was at a magazine and book store earlier today to get a Latte and was reading their PC mags and saw a Samsung conglomeration of a bunch of panels hooked together as one huge monitor and they were reviewing it but it only got a 7 out of 10. I don't think I would like something like that because all of the panels edges can be seen so it wouldn't be as immersive as I would want it to be. I'm happy with my little 23.5" Acer 1080P and 120Hz for 3D gaming although it would be nice to have three of them. Doesn't look that will happen any time soon for me though...