Official GIGABYTE Forum
Questions about GIGABYTE products => Motherboards with Intel processors => Topic started by: steve2470 on August 18, 2011, 05:42:11 pm
-
Hello all and thank you very much in advance for your help !
I allowed my (Mod edit) 15 year old son to install my GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R motherboard, to replace the old one that died. It would not boot up for more than two seconds, then would die, then would restart for two seconds, then would die, etc. It NEVER posted a BIOS screen.
I have now removed the mobo from my Antec 1200 case and am totally starting all over.
AFAIK nothing on the motherboard was damaged.
Here is my components list:
Case - Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower
CPU - Intel Core i7-980X Extreme Edition Gulftown 3.33GHz
RAM- 6 gigabytes of CORSAIR DOMINATOR 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
Graphics Card: Asus 590 GTX
RAID Card: 3ware 9650SE-4LPML PCI Express Lanes: 4 SATA II Controller Card
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower W0133RU 1200W
SSD's: 4x RAID0 OCZ Vertex Series OCZSSD2-1VTX60G 2.5" 60GB SATA II MLC
Please bear with me, I am very new at installing motherboards.
Questions: 1- How do I totally eliminate shorting out on the case ?
2- Electrical power wiring, how to eliminate mistakes in this area ?
3- Graphics card power, are the 8 pin connectors 100% mandatory ? I think they are but I'm open to correction.
4- Possibility that CPU is fried, how to eliminate this possibility ?
I have a BIOS beep speaker on the way from Newegg, it is not here yet.
Again, thank you kindly for your time and attention and energy.
Steve
-
Just a little input will leave rest to professionals. As your old MOBO died are you using same PSU.
You can get the low power die yet fans etc will run. You need to know what pins on PSU to short
out to enable metre test for voltages.
Other thought check CPU against memory spec ECC non ECC. This could stop boot.
Also would have tested with minium cards in & booted without drives.
Regards tinker.
-
Just a little input will leave rest to professionals. As your old MOBO died are you using same PSU.
You can get the low power die yet fans etc will run. You need to know what pins on PSU to short
out to enable metre test for voltages.
Other thought check CPU against memory spec ECC non ECC. This could stop boot.
Also would have tested with minium cards in & booted without drives.
Regards tinker.
Thanks. Do I leave the graphics card in ? Yes, same PSU.
I know the RAM is ok, it worked fine with my old mobo. AFAIK, RAM was ok but it's a possibility.
It's possible the cpu is fried because I never checked it explicitly with the old mobo.
-
anyone ? I'd really like to fix this mobo issue today. Thank you again !!!
-
anyone ? I'd really like to fix this mobo issue today. Thank you again !!!
Ok I put the mobo back on the six standoffs in the case and screwed it down carefully. Attached BOTH power cables carefully. CPU and cpu fun on ok, afaik. Power switch on securely. Graphics card in securely with proper 8 pin connectors.
Same problem. I think it's either the cpu or the mobo or both. Sigh.
-
As no replies at present will try to add a bit. Have you replaced the MOBO with same model.
No way of knowing if CPU is ok or memory if you don't know why your old setup died.
The only way to test PSU is find out what , think it's 2 pins to short out otherwise you cannot check
the voltage outputs. You need lower voltages to power CPU etc., Can you get hold of another PSU
doesn't need such high wattage to test board. The graphics needs power cable & also extra
power connectors to MOBO. Usually 2x4 pin to power CPU. were these fitted.
As your using old components from other MOBO might pay just to lay board on protected surface
try to power up just with graphic card, keyboard, mouse & old memory try one stick then swop
for another one. You can only do this by elimination. If the board will part boot there is a chance
CPU might be ok. Very important that no pins in cpu socket were damaged. This for one causes
memory loss. I would start with sorting PSU always keep spare even if old one so long as it has
all the correct connections. You would need to reprogam drives if not a direct replacement board.
Hope I understand correctly that new board is part booting. Did you press del key at start to
get into BIOS to allow it to accept your CPU etc., Best of luck.
Regards tinker.
PS our posts crossed.
-
As no replies at present will try to add a bit. Have you replaced the MOBO with same model.
No way of knowing if CPU is ok or memory if you don't know why your old setup died.
The only way to test PSU is find out what , think it's 2 pins to short out otherwise you cannot check
the voltage outputs. You need lower voltages to power CPU etc., Can you get hold of another PSU
doesn't need such high wattage to test board. The graphics needs power cable & also extra
power connectors to MOBO. Usually 2x4 pin to power CPU. were these fitted.
As your using old components from other MOBO might pay just to lay board on protected surface
try to power up just with graphic card, keyboard, mouse & old memory try one stick then swop
for another one. You can only do this by elimination. If the board will part boot there is a chance
CPU might be ok. Very important that no pins in cpu socket were damaged. This for one causes
memory loss. I would start with sorting PSU always keep spare even if old one so long as it has
all the correct connections. You would need to reprogam drives if not a direct replacement board.
Hope I understand correctly that new board is part booting. Did you press del key at start to
get into BIOS to allow it to accept your CPU etc., Best of luck.
Regards tinker.
1- No, my new mobo is a Gigabyte. Old one was Asus.
2- I don't have a spare PSU right now. I'll try to use one in a backup computer to test the mobo.
3- The new mobo won't even boot to the BIOS screen. It goes for 2 seconds, stops, restarts, goes again for 2 seconds, stops, etc. I really think either the mobo is bad or my cpu is bad or maybe both.
-
I would start with different PSU had a couple go down on low voltage side. Might pay to look at
CPU pins as they are easily damaged. Unless a PSU voltage goes high CPUs don't go too often
unless they have really bad cooling. It's possible you have a bad board but as your using old
gear sort that first.
Regards tinker.
-
I would start with different PSU had a couple go down on low voltage side. Might pay to look at
CPU pins as they are easily damaged. Unless a PSU voltage goes high CPUs don't go too often
unless they have really bad cooling. It's possible you have a bad board but as your using old
gear sort that first.
Regards tinker.
Ok I've been watching the LED's very carefully. The Phase LED indicates by red that the CPU is fully loading.
Northbridge phase LED seems to be going to yellow. It's either the NB LED or the DDR Phase LED.
I'll check the psu now.
-
Stevo
Sorry for the long wait mate ... on-suite renovation blues......Now down to it!.............Start with the bare board ....add CPU and cooler,.....one stick of memory in slot one,....add VGA (Video card) one drive and a DVD...........PSU....... keyboard and mouse (Ps2 keyboard if you have one kickin around) and try and effect a boot on the motherboard box if you have nothing else.
Now things to look out for with the bench build prior to boot!.........with a magnifying glass and a good light ....the CPU nest for bent pins.........they can look almost like shadows if there's a few of them bent.
Remember thermal goop........remember finger tight cooler........remember to connect ALL cables including both for VGA.........look for any FMO ( foreign metal object) strand of wire screw nut or scorch marks ..........it sounds like you had a short somewhere.......Lastly , explain to the boy......" The old bull/young bull story" ;)
report back with your findings..........Aussie Allan
-
If you have a 2nd PC try to swop graphics card if not PSU. That will eliminate something
else as you didn't mention any screen activity.
Regards tinker.
PS: our posts crossed Allan. Any chance you can take a look at my AHCI post reply.
-
Stevo
Sorry for the long wait mate ... on-suite renovation blues......Now down to it!.............Start with the bare board ....add CPU and cooler,.....one stick of memory in slot one,....add VGA (Video card) one drive and a DVD...........PSU....... keyboard and mouse (Ps2 keyboard if you have one kickin around) and try and effect a boot on the motherboard box if you have nothing else.
Now things to look out for with the bench build prior to boot!.........with a magnifying glass and a good light ....the CPU nest for bent pins.........they can look almost like shadows if there's a few of them bent.
Remember thermal goop........remember finger tight cooler........remember to connect ALL cables including both for VGA.........look for any FMO ( foreign metal object) strand of wire screw nut or scorch marks ..........it sounds like you had a short somewhere.......Lastly , explain to the boy......" The old bull/young bull story"
report back with your findings..........Aussie Allan
********************************************************************************
1- Thermal paste looks to be ok and not excessive
2- I did a "breadboard" installation with mobo out of case with 24 pin mobo cable plugged in securely and 8 pin cpu cable plugged in securely, both 8 pin vga power cables hooked up to the vga card, power on switch hooked up to mobo and one stick of RAM in white slot furthest from CPU. PSU was the same this time. I will swap out the psu next time as well as the vga card.
3- No foreign metal objects or screws, since I pulled it out of the case and laid it on a nice white clean and dry towel with no static electricity.
4- Dumb question, do I have to plug in a keyboard and mouse to test it ? I have not been doing that at all. Is that the entire problem ? If it is, I feel very foolish.
5- Pulled Intel cpu out, no bent pins to my naked eye and also with a flashlight. The only thing resembling pins are the very very short "pins" in the middle of the bottom of the cpu, unlike the old school intel cpu's where you could easily see the pins.
6- I did not use an optical drive or SSD this time.
Where have I made mistakes so far ? Thank you again.
Steve
-
If you have a 2nd PC try to swop graphics card if not PSU. That will eliminate something
else as you didn't mention any screen activity.
Regards tinker.
PS: our posts crossed Allan. Any chance you can take a look at my AHCI post reply.
**************************************************************************
I will try to swap out the graphics card next.
-
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261145-31-perform-steps-posting-boot-video-problems (http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261145-31-perform-steps-posting-boot-video-problems)
I have found that link above to very helpful too, fwiw.
-
OK, I think I've narrowed my problem down to one or two of two things:
1- a bad PSU
and/or
2- a defective motherboard.
Odd thing is, when I hold the CMOS switch in, it will run but not post video at all. Off to swap out PSU's......
-
OK, I think I've narrowed my problem down to one or two of two things:
1- a bad PSU
and/or
2- a defective motherboard.
Odd thing is, when I hold the CMOS switch in, it will run but not post video at all. Off to swap out PSU's......
There's a good chance one of the rails is gone in the PSU.......It's an unfortunate fault to have really.........Not being able to boot means swapping parts in and out till it fires up..........Highly doubt VGA will cause the PC not to boot.....you probably have your finger on it with the PSU......because if it aint.........you might have a new square Frisbee for the Dog.
Aussie Allan
-
I oddity I have found with the X58A. During some testing on SATA 3 (which this board isn't) the PC
part booted shut down & panic, appeared to have died. I then removed power leads let capacitors
drain, then held in CMOS button at rear of case. Thankfully was then able to boot into bios & reset.
Have never had this happen before so might pay to drain CMOS before you try new PSU.
very quirky bios.
As stated in earlier post you need mouse & keyboard connected. Newer bios is set for USB
keyboard but USB mouse is switched off by default.
Regards tinker.
-
I'm waiting for my new PSU to arrive from Newegg. Here it is:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139010 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139010)
CORSAIR Professional Series HX750 (CMPSU-750HX) 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
Hopefully it's not DOA and works properly.
-
It might be one or more bent pins on the CPU socket. Check out this thread in full: http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,6322.0.html
-
Lets hope that's the problem Steve. I'm using Cooler Master 600w Silent Pro is quiet. Don't
forget the bios tip so at least you start with clean bios before you rebuild. Don't rule out
anything. Was your graphics working on old board during the fault. Capacitors often fail
though they dont usually short out things they are connected across main leads for
smoothing. Hope to hear soon it's sorted.
Regards tinker.
-
Lets hope that's the problem Steve. I'm using Cooler Master 600w Silent Pro is quiet. Don't
forget the bios tip so at least you start with clean bios before you rebuild. Don't rule out
anything. Was your graphics working on old board during the fault. Capacitors often fail
though they dont usually short out things they are connected across main leads for
smoothing. Hope to hear soon it's sorted.
Regards tinker.
Yes, the graphics card was working fine.
I connected my bios beep speaker and all I heard was a very soft beep. Only one beep. It boots up for only two seconds or so. I'm really starting to think it's my psu. Yes, I will remember the bios tip, thanks.
-
Hope you have keyboard & mouse in this time Steve. ;)
Regards tinker.
-
Hope you have keyboard & mouse in this time Steve. ;)
Regards tinker.
USB mouse plugged in, PS2 keyboard plugged in, working vga card securely plugged in and monitor works, good RAM module in white slot furthest from CPU, CPU and HSF installed, beep speaker installed, both VGA power connectors on same rail of psu, both power connectors to the mobo (24 slot and 8 slot)... and..
nothing... same.... one very soft beep. I really think my psu has given up the ghost. We'll see after my new one gets here. I did your BIOS tip, Tinker, exactly as you stated it, also.
on edit: Actually the noise I heard was not the speaker beeping but probably a fan noise. During the very short bootup the speaker did not beep at all.
-
Not that it will make any difference until you get new PSU Steve but.. check your manual
for memory. Think you will find first white slot is DDR1 dual is DDR3 so slot 1 white is
nearest CPU. Slot 5 which you used is for final 3 channel memory config. Best sort that
beore you fit PSU.
Regards tinker.
-
Not that it will make any difference until you get new PSU Steve but.. check your manual
for memory. Think you will find first white slot is DDR1 dual is DDR3 so slot 1 white is
nearest CPU. Slot 5 which you used is for final 3 channel memory config. Best sort that
beore you fit PSU.
Regards tinker.
I shifted the good RAM module to the white slot nearest the CPU (DDR3_1). You were right, it made no difference. I'm looking forward to testing the new PSU.
-
Hi
Before you start chucking money at the build I would suggest making sure that your CPU is supported by the motherboard's BIOS that is installed. If not you will need to use a supported chip to flash the BIOS first and then you can replace the original CPU again.
-
I somewhat doubt that the PSU will solve your problem, but good luck. You mentioned that you checked the CPU, but have you checked the socket on the motherboard yet? You'll want to go in there with a flashlight and preferably a magnifying glass.
Also, boo hoo, call the whaaambulance, etc.
-
I wonder what happened with the OP...
-
Maybe he has fixed it and gone as often happens. People sometimes forget to come back and let the forum know how they got on. On the other hand maybe he 's just busy at the moment.
-
Maybe he has fixed it and gone as often happens. People sometimes forget to come back and let the forum know how they got on. On the other hand maybe he 's just busy at the moment.
Hi, sorry for my absence.
The mystery is now solved !
Apparently my Asus 590 GTX graphics card was defective and frying motherboards. It took a qualified PC tech to finally narrow down the cause. He tested absolutely all options and it WAS the cause.
Once again, thank you for your time and I'm never again building a PC. Way too much frustration.
-
Frying or fried! .... Wow! ....quite a surprise really it being the video card .... New builds are just getting harder and harder .... what happened to zero tolerance quality control
Sorry we couldn't put our finger on it sooner for you .... but to be fair, ....really is a fault that right out there
Hope you end up with a beast of a machine .....and yes!...... home builds are not for everyone.
Aussie Allan
-
Frying or fried! .... Wow! ....quite a surprise really it being the video card .... New builds are just getting harder and harder .... what happened to zero tolerance quality control
Sorry we couldn't put our finger on it sooner for you .... but to be fair, ....really is a fault that right out there
Hope you end up with a beast of a machine .....and yes!...... home builds are not for everyone.
Aussie Allan
Somehow my Intel processor also got fried, probably my fault. My professionally built PC will be same processor, same ram, some Intel mobo (sorry, only compatible one on their store shelf), two Nvidia 520 cards in SLI, same SSD's in RAID0. I did try for a Gigabyte mobo first on their store shelf but it was not 100% compatible with my processor for some reason.
Again, thanks for your patience and help.
-
Sorry to hear!.....but it's been a pleasure.
Aussie Allan
-
Sorry to hear you lost so much but glad your sorted now Steve. As I mentioned in earlier post
about Graphics card you can't rule out anything.
Regards tinker.