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Title: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 04, 2011, 03:52:23 pm
Hello All,

I've just found this article on the interweb, let's hope it happens.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Bulldozer-FX-Series-Launch-Data-Confirmed-by-Micro-Center-224931.shtml



Teknology9
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 04, 2011, 05:23:15 pm
Not long now then if that is correct! 8)
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Aussie Allan on October 04, 2011, 06:59:14 pm


  It's a very close race indeed....."4 hrs ago"  Intel have let slip they had to fast track a B2 stepping already and went to production 3 days ago

   a VT-d bug in the forthcoming LGA2011-based Sandy Bridge E processors, which are expected to be launched before 24 Nov

  The bug affects the processors' I/O virtualisation abilities, which isn’t likely to be much of a problem for home users (breathe a large sigh of relief). However, it will be a concern for businesses that that tend to take advantage of VT-d features much more often.

  On a related note, Intel has increased the cost of its X79 chipset by 20 per cent over the cost of the X58 chipset it replaces. This mean that the chipset alone could retail for somewhere in the region of $70 to the manufactures which we will eventually have to support (Foot the bill)

  Aussie Allan
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 04, 2011, 07:36:01 pm


Allan, why not do a " living with" review when you become a proud owner of this new Intel platform?
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Aussie Allan on October 05, 2011, 12:45:50 am


  Could be an interesting review/blog concept ..... "Birth of a X79" ..... with a blow by blow description of  a complete build from mail man to bench marks.

  The interesting thing is, I don't know what the hell it's going to look like but my build box has already got parts going into it.

 Got a 400Watt Peltier (TEC) the other day and a couple of miniature fluid heat exchanges .... was thinking of a chilled (-17C I worked out) split loop to cover the CPU only and leave the rest on water with a 6 second time delay for the cooling/pump to fire up first, ..(Yes! 2 PSUs)... Also have a Stainless Steel , perforated mesh,.... custom built case that's been sitting there for near on two years crying to be built

  The new Revo 3 X2 is appetising at 1200Mb/s but OCZ really screwed the pooch by killing the 100GB release and going for 240GB min and up ....

  For way less money I can buy a really pretty fair old Raid card,...... 4x Vertex 3s and raid the buggers for 2000Mb/s+..... (2TBMb/s+) and end up with 480GB of storage for a C drive.....bargain!

 So I'm going to have to make some decisions soon ......... like How I pay for the build for starters .....

  Aussie Allan
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 06, 2011, 11:36:54 am
Update

Here is some more info on the AMD Bulldozer FX Series, looks very interesting:


http://pcper.com/news/Processors/AMD-Bulldozer-FX-Processor-Benchmarks-Leaked


Teknology9
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: absic on October 06, 2011, 12:02:32 pm
Well, if these figures are true then I can't wait to get my hands on one of the Zambezi processors when they finally hit the shelves.  :D
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Night Gyr on October 06, 2011, 12:58:26 pm
Guys, remeber to use fresh or source-built Linux with BD, or you may actually see much lower performance than expected.

First, there is the Intel crippling compiler thing, they may claim whatever they want, but still it's most probably there, modified to a certain degree.
Second, and this is the most important thing, proprietary software adapts to hardware changes and changes versions very slowly. It may not yet contain the new AVX and vector instructions (especially the 256 bit float operations, AFAIU).
Third, they're proprietary, and they often cripple their software on purpose, just to make people buy more powerful hardware or upgrade to a newer version of the software for money. Thus, they may not include these new instructions either as in point 2.

Given all this, I highly recommend using BD only with Linux when it comes to heavy computational workloads, especially multithreaded, like scientific stuff or rendering. There's LuxRender, physical-based, fully open-source, and you can always get the code and build it with -march=amd-family-k11 (or how they call BD in GCC). Actually, this is the most right thing to do, rebuild the software with -march=native once you get a BD.

When I get one, I will build some 3d rendering code with and without AVX and 256-bit float instructions (if it's not the same thing, forgive my ignorance, haven't yet quite caught up with the latest instruction sets) and post the results, just out of curiosity.

But the main point is, don't you think that your software will magically run faster when you drop a BD in. You'll have to rebuild or update it, but rebuilding and using Open-Source software is the best way to go.
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: absic on October 07, 2011, 03:05:44 pm
Well, there back!

http://uk.gigabyte.com/support-downloads/cpu-support-popup.aspx?pid=3891

Release date around the corner?
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 07, 2011, 04:48:38 pm
You beat me to it absic!!!! :)

I don't think they have populated all of  the Bulldozer CPU compatibilty information for the other AM3+ boards as of yet, but I'm sure they will. October 12th is the date according to reports on the interweb and with that information just published..........could be.
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: absic on October 07, 2011, 04:49:50 pm
Some UK on-line retailers have just started updating the AMD CPU listings to show them too!
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 08, 2011, 09:55:37 am
Must be close now then. They don't normally show them until it is imminent.
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Benz on October 09, 2011, 12:09:01 pm
The launch date is this week. Be patient :D
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Aussie Allan on October 09, 2011, 12:19:37 pm


  5:00 PM GMT - 12th OCT ....even if they haven't got stock  ;) :D ;)

  Aussie Allan
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 09, 2011, 12:32:35 pm

The competition are on the verge of launching a new CPU:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/computers/intel-readying-core-i7-2700k-cpu-to-spoil-amd-bulldozer-launch/6683
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 09, 2011, 12:44:29 pm

The competition are on the verge of launching a new CPU:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/computers/intel-readying-core-i7-2700k-cpu-to-spoil-amd-bulldozer-launch/6683

Yes that sounds about right. They are bound to have something to counter AMD's new line up. They have had enough time to prepare for it after all.
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 09, 2011, 12:52:28 pm
You're right DM, but don't quote me on that!!! :)

I wonder how AMD will respond, there no slouches yer know!!! :)
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: absic on October 09, 2011, 01:06:00 pm
AMD will have to respond by giving away new Bulldozer FX CPU's with every Mars Bar you buy!  :P
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Mario1 on October 09, 2011, 02:43:12 pm
AMD was streaming yesterday, an employee of AMD confirmed that the Bulldozer series will be out next week.
Some of the things he clarified:
1)Release is next week.
2)The 8 core version will be less than $250.
3)He mentioned something about us expecting 22nm products from them, but didn't say any dates.

Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 09, 2011, 02:47:53 pm
That's one thing AMD has in it's favour....the prices!
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 09, 2011, 02:49:25 pm
Yes, your right there DM especially in todays economic climate.
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 09, 2011, 02:51:55 pm
Ah! Maybe that's Intels plan...give away the new CPUs. That should shoot down AMD. ;D
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Mario1 on October 09, 2011, 02:53:36 pm
That's one thing AMD has in it's favour....the prices!
Yeah, you're right on this one.
To my knowledge the quad core Bulldozer will be priced at $129, which means the Phenom series will become dirt cheap.
The octa-core Bulldozer should be around $229, which is a great deal for an 8 core processor.

Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Aussie Allan on October 09, 2011, 06:11:47 pm


 I'm probably gunna get shot for this.....especially as I have no hard data as yet, .......so quote and kill me in 4 months!

  I think you will find in 20/20 hindsight (in four months) that after you factor in like for like performance against cost ,.... they will end up being very similarly priced.

  Aussie Allan
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 09, 2011, 07:06:32 pm
There is talk that the Bulldozer CPU may be packaged with a liquid cooling unit for the CPU. See here:

http://www.nordichardware.com/news/69-cpu-chipset/43865-amd-considers-shipping-bulldozer-with-water-cooling.html


There is another article here also:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/coolers/display/20110811072448_AMD_Considers_Equipping_FX_Chips_with_Liquid_Cooling_Solution.html
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Aussie Allan on October 09, 2011, 07:23:21 pm


  Add £100 to the list price if they do .... makes sense though ..... 95-100W is a barrier all parties will have to deal with .

  Aussie Allan
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 09, 2011, 07:37:05 pm

I wonder whether through large scale production, economies of scale, the unit price will be competitive, we shall have to wait and see.


Teknology9
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Aussie Allan on October 09, 2011, 07:44:00 pm


  Won't matter a hoot!......coolers will be third party, licensed units tacked on ..... everyone will want there cut! .... nothing personal, just business!

  Aussie Allan
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 09, 2011, 07:59:26 pm
Let's just hope they also sell the chips bare, no coolers for us with liquid cooling altready!
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: absic on October 09, 2011, 08:05:23 pm
They should ship with a Noctua NH-D14!  ;)
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 09, 2011, 08:06:27 pm
Noctua's current range of CPU coolers are compatible with the AM3+ socket if air cooling is your preference and they have a X79 mounting bracket which may be released in the future for Intel fans.

http://www.noctua.at/main.php?show=produkte&lng=en

And here:

http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-16898-view-Noctua-computx-2011.html

Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Aussie Allan on October 09, 2011, 08:13:19 pm

  As long as you're really, really careful ......wouldn't that be absolutely lovely............ I lost 2 Athlon 2400s in one after-noon with a chip off the edge .

  When you think about it , .... I tried for two years to find-out what thermal compound Intel use under there heat spreaders .... Anyone?

  Aussie Allan

  
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 09, 2011, 09:04:51 pm
I reckon the 1366 coolers should be compatible in mounting brackets with the 2011
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Aussie Allan on October 09, 2011, 09:21:36 pm

  Don't know ..... performance they'll be fine-ish ... but the four fixing points ..... Don't know ..... remember there adding another 645 pins to the grid which doesn't handle prime numbers very well ..... so odds on it will be a rectangular format and not square for the nest

  Photo's can be deceiving ..... but surly not from Giga!..... look at the size of this puppy in pic 2! :o

  Aussie Allan
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Aussie Allan on October 09, 2011, 09:55:51 pm

  And to be fair to the thread ..... I'm not biased ::)... at all ... ::) Really  ... ::) ....well maybe a little bit ... :P

  Aussie Allan



   Anyone want to hazard a guess as to the Photo ?
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Aussie Allan on October 09, 2011, 10:44:04 pm
Let's just hope they also sell the chips bare, no coolers for us with liquid cooling altready!
  If you get right into it DM .... there's not really that much in it .... Till now AMD still use TIM under there spreaders ...so with a Gillette Blade and patience .... it's a no brainer to remove it....... and you will see from 5 to 10C better performance .... even more if you cut a high quality thermal pad as a PCB protector to go around the Die! ;) ;)

  Intel now use a low temp solder (70-80C) which make it a real bitch to remove ..... you have about a 75% chance of turning it into a Christmas decoration.

  Also because it's soldered ..... there's only about 2-3C in it with it off ..... now if I could just work out a way to get the thermal pad in there without taking off the spreader  ::)

  Aussie Allan
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: patriot34 on October 09, 2011, 11:57:52 pm
Currently, a disappointing 8150 for the bulldozer!! ???
 We did not wait for the moment I gave up taking. :-\

 Video test.Tr. http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci/haberleri/AMDnin-8-cekirdekli-FX8150-islemcisi-video-inceleme.htm
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Antikapitalista1 on October 10, 2011, 12:29:58 am
There is talk that the Bulldozer CPU may be packaged with a liquid cooling unit for the CPU. See here:
http://www.nordichardware.com/news/69-cpu-chipset/43865-amd-considers-shipping-bulldozer-with-water-cooling.html

There is another article here also:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/coolers/display/20110811072448_AMD_Considers_Equipping_FX_Chips_with_Liquid_Cooling_Solution.html
Oh, I know that I am being so offensively off-topic, but I hope that it is not such an abhorrent transgression, as some people have gone so astray as to post pictures of ugly Intel sockets...

Actually, it would be awesome if there were less competition and more cooperation... Honestly, I do not understand what the problem is... and why a ready-made water-cooling systems are either so expensive, or suck so much!

What if AMD put in place some kind of voucher system? The vouchers could be used for obtaining a water-block (certified by AMD, of course), thus the processors could be supplied without those useless air coolers. (Or one could also get an AMD certified air cooler, perhaps only one kind, like today, to make matters less complicated and not divert them from my point.)

Now I understand that the water-blocks would have to be obtainable "free of charge", only for the voucher, simply for legal reasons (at least here in the EU—note that I am not a lawyer), as anything else could be considered (prohibited) "product bundling". But still, if AMD chose decent water-blocks, then the price difference would not be great—and the difference between them being only in the inlet and outlet diameters... and perhaps there could be only one ("AMD standard", or at least "AMD sanctioned") diameter which would ensure acceptable flow resistance even in more complicated setups (more water-blocks and longer tubing). (Or the most hardcore setups could use another water pump—it would be no big deal in such setups.)

This way ATI (my shorthand for the graphics division of AMD) in cooperation with its graphics card makers could launch a similar program for full-cover water-blocks. Well, I understand that things would not be so clear here, as a decent full-cover block costs at least 100 € or so, but I believe that those monstrous heat-pipe coolers are pretty expensive, too. Perhaps if things were so nicely standardized, there could be something like product lines featuring factory-installed full-cover water-blocks?

Thus enthusiasts would be spared the sorrowful looks on their piles of useless dismounted air coolers of no utility to them (or anyone else, for that matter).

It could even be a huge advantage for AMD (+ATI), because now they could push for a whole water cooled platform, as they produce all its key components. And such a move (and certification program and cooperation with other producers in this field) could even create further incentives for users to choose an ATI graphics card, I mean a Radeon, if they have decided on an AMD processor. Not a full-blown vendor lock-in, but still a mild tie-in...

So... why not?

Oh, I know why not... a lot of morons would then start playing with those components, knowing that they cannot burn them... No, they cannot, but that probably means that they could damage them all the more easily, simply by setting insane voltages... often until a breakdown point, when an avalanche current damages their chip... but even when they are raised below their immediate breakdown point, but still very high, the higher fluctuations may wear it out much sooner. And operating some parts at much higher frequencies may also contribute to their earlier demise...
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 10, 2011, 07:16:01 am
Yes, you make some good points there but I suspect that like a lot of useful information and ideas that come from the forums like ours it will be totally ignored. It is our place to come up with helpful suggestions just to be ignored by everyone.
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: absic on October 11, 2011, 11:46:38 am
Some early sightings of the new Bulldozer FX CPU are being reported. Here are a few links:

http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/1137265-new-fx-8120-bulldozer-pics-benches.html

http://www.legitreviews.com/news/11636/

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=352045

The third link has some benchmarks of the FX-8150 versus Intel's I7 2600K which seems to show the new AMD processor still lagging behind in most tests. It does win one section easily though..... Power consumption!  :D
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 11, 2011, 12:21:09 pm
In a word I would say "disappointing". I wasn't planning on purchasing certainly not in the near future anyway but I was still expecting better figures than that and more of a challenge to Intel's domination of the market. If nothing else but to drive down prices across the board. Can't see that happening now. :-\
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 11, 2011, 01:13:35 pm
Well it is still early days, perhaps it's best to wait and see if anymore reviews from the likes of Toms Hardware underline these stats or otherwise. If they are correct how many AM3+ MB's will sell.......I still wouldn't go to Intel!! :)
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 11, 2011, 01:23:10 pm
Generally I go wherever I get the best value, not just now but for longevity too. At the moment that is Intel but I used to run AMD platforms for a long time. It's the same with the GPUs, my last few have all been Radeons because they are just a better all round card but I would switch without hesitation if I thought that Nvidia were a better buy.
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 11, 2011, 01:42:25 pm
Yes, that is surely the way to view the situation are you therefore staying with your your current MB DM and not going with the X79? AMD are more affordable for the system builder who has a tight buget. I think the AMD 1090T BE represents good value, thats my opinion, but as the saying goes " you pays your money, and you takes your choice"!!! :)
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 11, 2011, 05:04:04 pm
I think you are probably right as for value for money but the i5 2500K is a very good powerhouse that overclocks well too.

I am not sure regarding the X79 board yet. I would like to jump onboard as I reckon it's going to be a powerful setup and I would like to use it to replace my X58 gear. I think it might be just too expensive for me though so I haven't made any decision yet.
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Aussie Allan on October 11, 2011, 05:26:46 pm
  I too was hoping for better performance out of the first Bulldozer reports as well ..... the way things sit, they may very well increase the unit price with LGA2011  .... I'm guttered Bulldozer didn't come out of the blocks on fire ..... with below average benchmark performance even against a 1 year old Intel processor ..... why would Intel even consider dropping the price of the their newest chip yet to be  released!

  Unless AMD can do something magical in Bios updates and stepping's .... there still will be a substantial Monopoly for years to come, with the very real possibility in the future............ of a one horse race!

  Aussie Allan
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: kosobai on October 12, 2011, 04:02:32 am
"I'm guttered Bulldozer didn't come out of the blocks on fire ..... with below average benchmark performance even against a 1 year old Intel processor..."

Never mind Intel, the shocking thing is that Bulldozer can't even compete against the Phenom II x6s. Another Pentium 4 turkey abound.

The good news is, of course, that the price of Phenom IIs will hit the floor. It might be a good idea to pick up a 1100t after all...
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 12, 2011, 06:48:49 am
Must admit I am considering that road myself. Bang for buck it should work out to be the best option. ;D
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: absic on October 12, 2011, 08:23:04 am
Now available for pre order from here: http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/CPUs+%2F+Processors/AMD+Bulldozer+FX/

I'm sure other sites will soon be showing them but this gives an idea of cost in the UK

Edit: Scan UK have just revealed their pricing too: http://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/all/cpus-amd/amd-fx-series-multi-core-socket-am3plus
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Aussie Allan on October 12, 2011, 08:36:35 am

  With regards to what I said before...........

  They could still be a worth while grab if they clock like a champ .....Aria recon they can get 4.8Ghz stable......which says to me they have had them to play with for 3 or 4 days themselves and probably on Air!............ wonder if 60% is out of the question!

  Aussie Allan
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: absic on October 12, 2011, 08:53:26 am
A few early rreviews for you:

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1741/1/

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-fx-8150.html

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the-bulldozer-review-amd-fx8150-tested
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 12, 2011, 09:51:46 am
Some more prices:

http://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/all/cpus-amd/amd-fx-series-multi-core-socket-am3plus
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 12, 2011, 10:19:55 am
More food for thought:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8150-zambezi-bulldozer-990fx,3043.html

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2011/10/12/amd-fx-8150-review/13
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: kosobai on October 12, 2011, 10:46:42 am
"...we had no idea whether Bulldozer would be good, bad or indifferent, so we urged caution. Turns out we were right: the FX-8150 is a stinker."


I wonder if AMD will drop out of the desktop CPU market to focus exclusively on the server market?
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Benz on October 12, 2011, 09:06:20 pm
Horses***... And they really expect people to buy this? Yuck, I'd rather die than to buy this garbage.
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 12, 2011, 09:56:33 pm
Here's more info folks:

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/32110-amd-bulldozer-fx-8150/

I wonder if AMD's share price has gone down and Intel's risen.
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Aussie Allan on October 12, 2011, 10:09:19 pm

   People don't realize that this effects .......and I mean everyone .........AMD have spent 2 years developing Bulldozer which I will now refer to as  "BambiCore" .... What were they thinking , releasing a chip that scores less then the chip it's replacing or am I missing something!

  Any hope of Price cuts filtering down with the 2011 chip are now a dream ...... Motherboard manufactures will take a hit with AMD boards, ....and because of  inflated prices of Intel processors......competition will have to be cut-throat for main-board manufactures to keep unit sales at 2011 figures ..... further reducing R&D expenditure .

  The only hope we have now (which is a double edged sword) is if Intel now go for the throat and cut prices ruthlessly ..... forcing AMD out of the desk-top arena........which would be a very savi corporate step.

  8 yrs ago I was AMD .... my decision then , as is now, was performance driven ..... If "Bambicore"seriously outperformed Intels next chip .... I would have swapped back again with no regrets .....For the first time in a very long time I'm stuck for words ......so I'll us single and double words.

  Gutted ..... Disappointed ...... misled ........ corporate suicide .....

  Aussie Allan    
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 12, 2011, 10:21:08 pm
Quote
For the first time in a very long time I'm stuck for words


Thanks AMD, Bulldozer was worth it after all!!!! ;D


Nice one Al.

Seriously, I agree with Aussie Allan. I to was expecting better from AMD after all of the information about how it would compete with  Intel it is a disappointment to see that it has not been realised.

Teknology9
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: kosobai on October 13, 2011, 01:03:40 am
AMD's feeble offering is bad news for all of us. If they do disappear, then Intel will have a free rein to start charging $1,000 a piece for 486DX parts.

Bulldozer shows promise, but it's not yet ready for the big time. AMD had better die shrink/tweak/scale up the Phenom II as a stocking filler until they get more consistent performance from their new chip.
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: malum on October 13, 2011, 03:09:45 am
Wow this is very very disappointing.  :'(
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: autotech on October 13, 2011, 03:36:34 am
They have a roadmap for at least two more years in the desktop area all we can do now is hope they get it together. Makes my 1090t look good though if the price drops enough i will get a spare as i used to have this at 4.2 but turned it down to 3.8 and now it wont go much  higher.

Mix of ram and thermal compond im sure. But really disappointed the new am3+ didnt do better was looking foward to it.
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: patriot34 on October 13, 2011, 10:55:38 pm
This was a logical explanation to me.
http://blogs.amd.com/play/2011/10/13/our-take-on-amd-fx/

In addition, I also criticized the performance of the first place. But now some of the tests show that the processors are bad. f / t compare the 8120 and 2500 than 8120 may be taken as p stands. In addition, the acquisition ocdeki more.

 In addition, I also would like to add. Radical innovations always come by amd processor architecture. Built-in memory controller, the current FSB structure, module, system, etc ... Intel is now also copies the module system in the future.
 Sory translate to English
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Aussie Allan on October 13, 2011, 11:45:15 pm
  Quote ...This was a logical explanation to me.

                                                    Just to put this in a firm perspective ...No intentions to hurt anyones feelings

   A very good salesman...... can convince some people that the car that they just bought.......... that sound like a freight train,...... blows smoke like a bush-fire.......... is actually a cutting edge new feature ....not me!

  Remember this chip was developed to go up against Intels new flagship........not the 2500 that every ones benching it against......but the soon to be released LGA2011  

  Which I might add will also be going to a quad channel configuration.........effectively almost doubling the bandwidth to around 42.7GB/s   ...   up from 25.6GB/s.

  That's 66% folks!......these are the sort of figures AMD had everyone believing was coming with FX

  There has for me been only two stated figures that Bulldozer has edged out Intel on, .... one was thermal output :-X ...... and the other was the link bellow re "Battle field 3" ....... so am I reading this right when it takes going from 4 cores to 8 cores to get an extra 2 frame per second ::)

  And accounts for 2 years of development .....

               I know think the final showdown between Bulldozer and LGA2011 will be like a one sided Biblical battle

                                                                        LIONS 47 .....CHRISTIANS 0

  Aussie Allan

      
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 14, 2011, 07:16:47 am
Make sure that you recheck Allan! One of those bloody Christians must be hiding somewhere! ;D
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 15, 2011, 10:20:00 am
Here is some more info, makes for interesting reading:

http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=2CAC78FA-1A64-67EA-E465579944E3453E


Teknology9
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: patriot34 on October 15, 2011, 10:22:05 pm
  Quote ...This was a logical explanation to me.

                                                    Just to put this in a firm perspective ...No intentions to hurt anyones feelings

   A very good salesman...... can convince some people that the car that they just bought.......... that sound like a freight train,...... blows smoke like a bush-fire.......... is actually a cutting edge new feature ....not me!

  Remember this chip was developed to go up against Intels new flagship........not the 2500 that every ones benching it against......but the soon to be released LGA2011  

  Which I might add will also be going to a quad channel configuration.........effectively almost doubling the bandwidth to around 42.7GB/s   ...   up from 25.6GB/s.

  That's 66% folks!......these are the sort of figures AMD had everyone believing was coming with FX

  There has for me been only two stated figures that Bulldozer has edged out Intel on, .... one was thermal output :-X ...... and the other was the link bellow re "Battle field 3" ....... so am I reading this right when it takes going from 4 cores to 8 cores to get an extra 2 frame per second ::)

  And accounts for 2 years of development .....

               I know think the final showdown between Bulldozer and LGA2011 will be like a one sided Biblical battle

                                                                        LIONS 47 .....CHRISTIANS 0

  Aussie Allan

      

LGA2011 will be out but the socket structure will also change. And unfortunately (as people are forced by Intel to be exploited) people will have to buy new motherboards too. For now upgrading from 955BE to 1100T seems to be more suitable for me. Never have I thought using Intel and never will I. As you said, marketing and selling ability is a great trade. I will stick with AMD though.
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Aussie Allan on October 15, 2011, 11:23:02 pm


                         Never have I thought using Intel and never will I


    And if AMD are not in the desktop business in 6 years ?

  Aussie Allan
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: agros on October 15, 2011, 11:57:19 pm
Hello, let me ask something about bulldozers, and sorry if it is already mentioned :)

In my country bulldozers will come in about 10 days. I have the system of my sign and I m thinking about buying a x6 sAM3 cpu.
Can this mobo(rev1.5) accept bullzoders?
Do u suggest me wait and buy bullzoder, wait and buy 1100T after bulldozer come(because prize will go down) or buy 1100T now?
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Aussie Allan on October 16, 2011, 12:03:45 am

  Every one will have different advice ...... My point of view! ..... Wait for Father Christmas ..... there's a hell of a lot of dust to settle.

  Aussie Allan 
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: agros on October 16, 2011, 12:05:15 am
But can this mobo takes bulldozer?

One more question, whats the TDP of bulldozers?
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Aussie Allan on October 16, 2011, 12:24:55 am

 If your board is version 3.1 .... your in luck .......if it's lower ....... probably not!

     
                                    TDP you ask!.... Take your pick! ..... 95 to 125W at stock clocks


Model Number # of Cores    Base Freq.    Turbo Core    L2 Cache    L3 Cache    TDP

FX-8170P    8    3.9 GHz    4.5 GHz    4 x 2MB    8MB    125 W
FX-8150P    8    3.6 GHz    4.2 GHz    4 x 2MB    8MB    125 W
FX-8130P    8    ?? GHz    ?? GHz    4 x 2MB    8MB    125 W
FX-8120       8    3.1 GHz    4.0 GHz    4 x 2MB    8MB    125 W
FX-8120      8    3.1 GHz    4.0 GHz    4 x 2MB    8MB    95 W
FX-8110      8    ?? GHz    ?? GHz    4 x 2MB    8MB    95 W
FX-8100      8    2.8 GHz    3.7 GHz    4 x 2MB    8MB    95 W
FX-6120      6    ?? GHz    ?? GHz    3 x 2MB    8MB    95 W
FX-6110      6    ?? GHz    ?? GHz    3 x 2MB    6MB    95 W
FX-6100      6    3.3 GHz    3.9 GHz    3 x 2MB    6MB    95 W
FX-4120      4    ?? GHz    ?? GHz    2 x 2MB    4MB    95 W
FX-4110      4    ?? GHz    ?? GHz    2 x 2MB    4MB    95 W
FX-4100      4    3.6 GHz    3.8 GHz    2 x 2MB    4MB    95 W

 Aussie Allan
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 16, 2011, 10:41:29 am
Hi ,

Over the last few days there has been a bit disappointment , may be that's an understatement, regarding AMD Bulldozer but may be there could be some light on the horizion for some. Have a read at some of these comments:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/315752-10-buying-bulldozer


Teknology9
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: agros on October 16, 2011, 02:06:36 pm
Why dissapointment? prize is low, cache is big, TDP is low, cores are many...

Are you happy with your 1090? Do u suggest me to buy it replacing 720? (Now its 160€ but will be drop down after buldozers come).
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 16, 2011, 02:20:18 pm
That's just it, it isn't such a diisappointment though some thought Bulldozer would challenge Intel more. Initially I was disappointed but I use Adobe software alot and it will be more suitable for my purposes.


Quote
Are you happy with your 1090? Do u suggest me to buy it replacing 720? (Now its 160€ but will be drop down after buldozers come).
 

Yes I am very happy with my 1090T but I want to upgrade my MB so I am waiting to see how things are in the near future before I either stay with AMD or go the Intel route. I think only you can decide what is best for you ,but ask yourself what you use your PC for now and what your future requirements will be. The  deciiding factor could be what you can afford.

Teknology9

Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: agros on October 16, 2011, 06:00:27 pm
I dont do somethiung special with my pc, just for entertainment :) But of course I want a fast sytem.

What score  1090 has in wei?
How far can u go in o/c? (I get my 720 from 2.8 to 3.6GHz with +1,25V)

I heard that when bulldozers come, the present x6 models will disapear... Couls this be real?
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 16, 2011, 07:46:24 pm
Hi argos,

The WEI subscore for my 1090T BE is 7.5, I haven't heard that the AMD hexacore CPU's will disappear but may be somebody will can confirm this either way.

Teknology9
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: absic on October 16, 2011, 07:55:00 pm
I'm running a slightly O/C'd 1090T at 3.8GHz with temps between 25-30C using a Noctua NH-D14 Air Cooler and a WEI of 7.6 on the GA-99FXA-UD5. I have also had this same chip up to 4.2GHz on my current motherboard and also on the GA-890FXA-UD5 and the GA-790XTA-UD4 but as I am not that fussed about pushing things too far I have always pulled it back to 3.8GHz and have been able to lower the voltage to keep temps down.
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 16, 2011, 08:01:22 pm
@absic, are they going to discontinue the 1090T?

I don't overclock by the way argos......just in case!!!! :)
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: absic on October 16, 2011, 08:09:07 pm
I haven't heard of plans to discontinue any of the AM3 processors but I will try and find out.
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 16, 2011, 08:11:48 pm
No me neither, I might buy another just in case.

Cheers,

Teknology9
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Mystikalrush on October 16, 2011, 08:28:07 pm
Latest i heard, the entire family of AM3 is to EOL Q4 2011, sure it wont be completely gone till maybe another 3-6months.
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 16, 2011, 08:36:26 pm
Terriffic......well that's made my evening....not!!! :)

Well, I'm at a crossroad now...Intel or AMD...... to early to decide.
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: agros on October 16, 2011, 09:03:58 pm
Hi argos,

The WEI subscore for my 1090T BE is 7.5, I haven't heard that the AMD hexacore CPU's will disappear but may be somebody will can confirm this either way.

Teknology9

7.5 for unclocked 1090T? Thats very good.
I get 6.8 for x3 720 2.8GHz and 7.0 if I o/c to 3.6GHz.

I heard that the only difference between 1090/1100 is 100MHz?..

I think I m gonna buy the 1090T :)
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 16, 2011, 09:08:26 pm
Hi argos,

I am not sure if they will become end of line, see the posts above, but if you do purchase one  BIOS info is here:

http://uk.gigabyte.com/support-downloads/cpu-support-popup.aspx?pid=3621
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: patriot34 on October 16, 2011, 11:19:54 pm
AMD FX B3 is working on revision.

http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci/haberleri/AMD-Bulldozer-FX-ailesinin-B3-revizyonunu-hazirliyor.htm
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Aussie Allan on October 17, 2011, 07:30:58 am

  AMD will be working this way for the next few months at least......excellent that there trying to look after the bottom line.........you and me!

  Aussie Allan
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 17, 2011, 09:56:29 am
Good news people, thanks patriot34.

Here is a variation on the same theme:

http://lenzfire.com/2011/10/amd-bulldozer-b3-revision-fx-processors-are-being-prepared-61624/





Teknology9
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Aussie Allan on October 17, 2011, 10:57:17 am


  GOOD NEWS!.....DAM!......These were critical to my new central heating boiler! ;)

  Aussie Allan
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 17, 2011, 10:57:24 am
Thanks teknology9 . Definitely easier reading that! :D
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 18, 2011, 03:08:58 pm
Yes, lets hope it will be a stepping in the right direction...........ouch that was terrible!!!! :D
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: patriot34 on October 18, 2011, 09:05:50 pm
Good news people, thanks patriot34.

Here is a variation on the same theme:

http://lenzfire.com/2011/10/amd-bulldozer-b3-revision-fx-processors-are-being-prepared-61624/





Teknology9

There also my share. Kartal (Blackeagle) :)))

looking for hope.
 Boards have invested in :) ;)


AMD FX series CPU is going to discount.
 
http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Is-Already-Cutting-8-Core-FX-8150-Bulldozer-CPU-Price-228076.shtml
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 24, 2011, 07:34:28 pm
Hi Folks,

I've come a cross an article, which sites other sources, regarding the developemt of the pending AMD Bulldozer B3 stepping.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2011/10/24/amd-bulldozer-b3-stepping-due/1


Teknology9
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 24, 2011, 07:41:54 pm
I have read about the release of the B3 stepping as well. It would seem to be a reality and soon.
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: teknology9 on October 24, 2011, 07:45:34 pm
Hi DM, yes time will only tell and reveal what the boffins at AMD have done to improve the CPU, I bet they have had some interesting meetings since the CPU's launch.

Teknology9
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: malum on October 25, 2011, 01:49:19 pm
They better have had some very interesting meetings.
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Aussie Allan on October 25, 2011, 02:50:36 pm


  I don't dare publish ................. but just saw a photo of two Bulldozer CPUs sticky-Taped together :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

  Aussie Allan
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 25, 2011, 03:06:26 pm
Ah! The upcoming Dual Processor.  ;D
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: absic on October 25, 2011, 03:11:07 pm
Nah, it's the new 16 core room heater!  :D
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: soarwitheagles on October 26, 2011, 07:00:09 pm
Nah, it's the new 16 core room heater!  :D

AMD's new name:

Absobloodylutely
Mucked up
Dicky Device

Soar
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 26, 2011, 08:15:36 pm
Or

Another
Massive
Downfall
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Dark Mantis on October 26, 2011, 08:26:34 pm
Of course there is always the other side.....

I've
Not
Trashed
Enough
Little companies
Title: Re: AMD Bulldozer FX Series Launch Date
Post by: Aussie Allan on October 26, 2011, 09:44:21 pm


   I still think push them together and call them INTELIMAD.......or just MAD for short

  Mutually
  Assured
  Destruction

  Aussie Allan