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Questions about GIGABYTE products => Motherboards with Intel processors => Topic started by: gd on October 14, 2011, 12:24:10 am
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hi peeps .
mobo GA-X58A-UD3R
i just got a ssd and am having trouble with the mobo crashing after a cold start .
at first i had trouble with the mobo loosing the memory after a cold start .
i did the bios update , this fixed the memory problem but started a ssd problem .
what do i need to do to go back to the old bios ? .
just so i can test the ssd was working before the updated bios .
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Hi and welcome.
You don't exactly give us a lot of details to go on to be honest but I would certainly check to see if the SSD has any newer firmware that you can install.
What port have you got it on ?
What speed is the SSD ?
How big is the drive ?
What motherboard do you have ?
etc, etc.
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the mobo is in the topic name and first post .
marvell port 0 , size 120 , speed hmmm where will i find that out ? .
if you want bench mark results its around 245 writing and 410 reading .
im under the impression that the marvell chip is not upto the job of ssd's. yet
where ever i look and read about this chip its the slowest ! unreliable ! unstable and unwanted chip EVER ,,,,.
but thats not what i need to talk about .
i want to get the old bios back , there are 2 on this mobo and the 1 it uses is corrupted somehow .
i just need to be told how to get the old bios onto the other bios .
if i need to explain more pls post what you need to help me .
thanks
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Ok I understand now. There is two options to do what you want to do. The first is just to flash your BIOS again like you did last time but with the old (or another) BIOS file as the target. You can flash your BIOS as many times as you want.
Secondly is the option to recover the original BIOS from the Backup BIOS chip. To do that follow these instructions:
You can kick in the backup BIOS by shutting down the PSU from the wall, then hold down your case power button in and then turn on the power supply button, a few seconds later the board will start, shut off the power supply then. Then you can turn on the power supply again and power up the board normally and DualBIOS will kick in.
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do i need to press anything to make it kick in ? .
if not its not working doing the power off and unplugging way .
i unplugged the cable from the tower , then popped it back in while keeping the power button pressed , when it started to boot and i mean as soon as it did i turned the power off the power supply by the button on the power supply at the back where the power cable plugs in , i then turn it on again and it just boots to windows .
thanks .
what would happen if i start to load the bios and while half way i power down , would that make it kick in ? .
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I am afraid I don't know what will happen if you change the way of doing it. I just know that it works if you follow these instructions.
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thanks .
after testing it , it went into a loop and would not boot at all then i pulled the plug again
then when i went into the bios the old was back .
so thanks for the help ;) .
hope this will fix both at same time .
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nope its got 2 things wrong again . :'(
ok with the old bios i loose 2 gig of memory at start up , i shutdown and reboot and the other 2 gig shows up .
second problem is the ssd , it looses this the first start and find it after a reboot , but because its a ssd it looses files that need fixed too .
is there a fix for this , or have you heard of this before .
thanks
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How's it going Gd .... firstly I went to church today!
Sometimes you have to read between the lines........take the SSD out of Marvell and put it into ICH10R and leave it there.....If you have other PCI cards installed......get rid of them too.........second Take out your memory till you have just 1 left in the master memory slot for your board........this will give you the cleanest chance of getting the board configured and once done you can start adding your kit one bit at a time ;)
Hope this helps
P.S .....If you look at my sig.....I have experience with this board with lots hanging off it ;)
Aussie Allan
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hayup allen
ok i have 1 bank of memory in this is 2gig OCZ reaper 8-8-8 . total 3 x 2 gig strips .
1 ssd 120 gig OCZ . in ICH10R port
i have ati 5870 in my pci port but i need this lol or im blind .
whats next ? .
thanks
PS
i did my sig ;) thought it maybe helpful .
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As i said below ...... 1 dimm of memory........... GPU.....CPU......SSD in Intel port.......optical in Marvell....(it's all it's good for on the X58/A boards ) set to IDE even if it's a SATA DVD and set SSD to what ever you loaded OS with (IDE or ACHI)...
Reduce any peripherals as much as you can......if you can get there......go into BIOS and hit "Optimized Defaults and save and reboot.........Optimized Defaults sets up the board to go hunting for absolutely everything that's connected to the board anew......Go back into BIOS and setup as you would normally for the kit connected.....save and try to reboot to windows.......
report back with what happens
Aussie Allan
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all thats plugged in is whats needed to start-up .
it started ok , everything's showing up as it should .
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Hi
I think that you are misunderstanding Allan when he says just one stick of memory. He means exactly that, one module in the first white slot DDR3_1 only.
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i only have 1 stick in the first white slot like i posted
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i still have old bios in too .
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So if it's started OK ..... while it's stable and running........flash Bios to latest ......configure again after "optimized Default" .....you know the procedure by now.........and see if you can start adding kit, one bit at a time starting with the memory.
Aussie Allan
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i only have 1 stick in the first white slot like i posted
Sorry my bad there.
As Allan says it is now a case of trial and error to see what you can refit and what gives problems. Just a single piece at a time and test and when you are sure that is ok then on to the next component.
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i cannot get the @bios to work ;( it keeps getting a runtime error .
could you as your using the same board and bios could you send me the updated ver1 pls .
then i can use the tool and update from the file you send me .
im using F1 and the updates is F7 or F8 ? .
thanks if you can help .
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It's up to F7L and F8A.......if you can help it.....don't use @Bios.....QFlash is safer.....Much....
this is why it's important to include all the information when requesting help to fix a problem........and follow the advise that's given instead of madly punching keys and settings .
Your board is revision 1.........mines revision 2..........like day and night ......I'm on FH3
Update (reload) @Bios........there's a new version that won't block your flashing with an error ;)
Also your error is runtime........probably nothing to do with @Bios.....Sorry....just telling it like it is!
Aussie Allan
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Allan is absolutely right there and as he says you must give all the information to get any help that is of real value. Luckilly he is very knowledgeable and experienced and picks up these little things.
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have i mist something or what did you ask for ? . :-\
ok today i have replaced the bios battery .
i also got a new PSU .
G7 modular power extreme 850 wat , as peeps were suggesting a power failure too . ::)
F7 added .
im back to just having 1 memory stick in , my Graphic card to be able to see with , mouse , keyboard hmmm ssd , cd-dvd-blu ray combo player thats it .
im going to add the next stick , if it starts and keeps going i will add the rest and test .
its looking good . :)
to fix runtime error i removed the @bios that came with cd , downloaded upto date version and it works ok no errors .
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Gd
Cool!....progress!......it's just a matter of approaching it logically and making one change at a time....this way you can keep your head in-front of what the machine spits out at you.
Keep us posted with your wins and progress........ don't hesitate if you have questions or problems.......that what where here for!
P.S Throw the install disc away.......I always do ;)
Aussie Allan
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thanks allan .
iv added the other sticks one at a time and waited 30 mins in between each installed stick to give it time to fail .
i have all 6 gig installed and its working ok .
my ssd is working too no blue screens .
whats next ? . :P
thanks
ps if i throw it away how would i get all my drivers ? .
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ps if i throw it away how would i get all my drivers ? .
You need the drivers for the LAN chip so that you can access the internet but apart from that you can download them all from the Gigabyte website where there will be all newer versions than you have on your driver disk. It is always better to download your drivers than rely on those on the instal disk which are always out of date.
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Good advice from DM as usual!
Forgot to answer your "What's next"
Start load the drivers one at a time and lightly test as you go.......don't throw them all on at once.......if you have a problem......which one do you target ::)
Start with the most critical........LAN.......then chipset......and so on........only put on the drivers and software that you really intend to use (re Gigabyte software!) if you don't use say USB3......leave them off for now......get the system up and running, stable with all your kit...... then start toying
Aussie Allan
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i got the memory working then mobo then last to be added was my ati graphic driver .
i get blue screen with dump and its counts to 100 then reboots .
i then have to install my ati graphic driver again , then it will work .
if i leave it shut down for 2 hours then start my pc again it will blue screen again and loose my graphic again .
apart from this its ok .
i have tested driver from disc and updated driver and all will do the same .
you should understand that this ONLY happens with the SSD drive being the main drive .
EVERY thing work ok on my sata2 drive .
ps
how can i get the F7L and F8A .
allan do you have your ssd as your main ? and boot from it .
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Right ....this is purely from memory so check the numbers before installing.......good chance it's the graphics driver......if it's the 280.xx there's been some reports of problems.....drop back to 275.xx and see if this stops the problems.....(make sure you rip out the old one first though and be thorough)
2) you just may have a problem with the card......I know .....bugger-it!
3) i have tested driver from disc and updated driver and all will do the same ..... if your using your original install drivers disc that came with the Board.....throw it away......chances are the drivers on the disc were out of date before you even purchased it.
4) version 1 Bios drivers for your board are on the Gigabyte website for downloading and installing.....I just checked!
5) Like your Board ,.... check the firmware of your SSDs and flash if needed.
6) I run an RevoDrive x2 and yes it's my main drive but these are not Sata but a PCI-E based card .....bottom slot!
Aussie Allan
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thanks allan .
i downloaded this tool and it works very well .
http://majorgeeks.com/BlueScreenView_d6200.html
it shows all the dump info when the pc crashes and tells you why .
just i dont understand what im looking at .
so if you could take a look while i test the ideas you posted .
i will then be able to post whats in these error logs .
thanks .
ps
i can borrow a m8s GeForce GT 340 tomorrow and take my ati 5870 out .
and test with a different card altogether ;) .
ssd is upto date too ;)
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Just to answer your question earlier (asked of Allan), I have a slightly different motherboard the GA-X58A-UD7 and boot off a Corsair 256GB SSD with no problems. I think it was more likely your firmware that was causing the problem.
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i had problem with ssd from start .
i updated the ssd firmware and it made no difference .
the link to the tool i posted should take the guessing out ,, but i dont understand the tool .
it works nice just i dont really understand what's on screen ,, but you or allan would .
then you can just tell me what line you need to see or have .
well looking at the tool thats what it it doing .
thanks
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Eeeeeeer .... we don't have remote access to your machine ;) .....possibly you could post a snip of the error screen it generates and we can have a squizzy then :)
Aussie Allan
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you dont need remote but if you do i will let you .
but i could send the file for you to look at .
thanks
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Possible fix with the extra information provided;
Windows Update (KB973879) has been causing a “blue screen of death” (stop error) in many computers running Windows Vista 64-bit edition.
This has been proven to effect Windows 7 installations as well....
The specific error is:
A problem has been detected and Windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your computer.
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Technical information:
*** STOP: 0x0000007E (0xFFFFFFFFC0000005, 0xFFFFF800020393AA, 0xFFFFFA60021EE7D8, 0xFFFFFA60021EE1b0)
Link and fix here....http://www.techerator.com/2009/08/fix-windows-vista-64-bit-gets-blue-screen-after-windows-updates/
If it's not a fix it's a step in the right direction.
Aussie Allan
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no allan i dont have that update in my update history .
i could not get hold of my m8 to borrow the card too ;( .
im going to format and put win7 64bit back on the ssd .
when its finished im not going to use my disc's for the drivers , i have got them on my backup hd ready .
no updates until i test it again .
did the screen shot not help ? .
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Gd
We all have our forte's ....a screen full of zero's and one's doesn't float my boat.....but getting better!
Day's end ....you shouldn't be having these problems as your kit seems to be good.....I think what you posted as your next course of action is the way to go
Just start with the minimum in the system and do it right from the get-go ..... ACHI......SSD......load the drivers one at a time ..... check stability between more drivers ......take notes.....and see where it falls over,.... if it falls over again
And yes start with the latest Bios! and only use the latest drivers of gigas website ....let me know how you go!
Aussie Allan
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:D your funny allan .
i have only added the network driver like Dark Mantis suggested .
thats all im going to add , then i will see if it starts up after a couple of hours .
ok just 1 thing to make me smile today ,,,, is it fixable ? will it eventually work or should i be looking to replace something .
thanks
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ok just 1 thing to make me smile today ,,,, is it fixable ? ........YES! Continue smiling!
will it eventually work or should i be looking to replace something . See above!.....I do feel we will have a good result with this post log.....
But we still have to appease the PC god..........Burn a chicken to make sure !
Aussie Allan
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Just to point you in the right direction and give you some idea of the problem the BSOD screen that you mentioned has the STOP code 0x7E which equates to 0x7E = Corrupted OS file, possibly from overclocking. Run sfc /scannow and chkdsk /r
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no luck for me today .
had blue screen again on first boot .
the error type is the same .
only driver in place is the network , everything else is whats installed while main install .
thanks
do you want pic of error log ? .
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Gd
Man this doing my head in.......Ive just re-read the entire post twice to see what we might have missed.
Can you tell me what ports you have everything connected too .... including the CD/DVD and what controllers you have active in BIOS
List what you have IDE or ACHI,ACHI/RAID active with as well.....where missing something!
Aussie Allan
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ok iv just done a fresh install using my m8ts gt 340 and it did it with that too ;( .
i have everything in the peripheral area turned off .
except sata controller at the top and i have it set to ACHI mode .
i have the hd in port 0 , my rom in port 3 and when its in i have my backup hd in port 4 .
my cards in the top port and set to 16x
i have the cpu at x21 and the memory running in standard
i updated bios to f8a and its still the same .
if it happening without any drivers installed ,,, it maybe something in the bios im doing .
cos i use 64 bit i have it set to 64 bit in the bios area i set it to both and its the same .
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i just read it all too .
no1 asked how fare it gets before it blue-screens .
well i get my desktop up and the sound of it booting up , i even can open 1 or 3 folders .
15 20 seconds after the boot-up sound it crashes counts to 100 and reboots , if i let it just try doing a reboot after it will just keep blue screening ,, if i press the on off and turn it off then start it again its fine . maybe replace some lost files .
so its something after boot ,,,, but only just after .
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no1 asked how fare it gets before it blue-screens .
well i get my desktop up and the sound of it booting up , i even can open 1 or 3 folders .
15 20 seconds after the boot-up sound it crashes counts to 100 and reboots , if i let it just try doing a reboot after it will just keep blue screening ,, if i press the on off and turn it off then start it again its fine . maybe replace some lost files .
so its something after boot ,,,, but only just after .
You say it happens just after boot but then carry on to say that you can open folders. So do you mean it happens literally just after boot or after loading Windows onto the system ?
If it is after Windows loading try running in safe mode and see if the problem is still there.
Also just to re-iterate something I said earlier that seemed to get lost, or ignored.....
Just to point you in the right direction and give you some idea of the problem the BSOD screen that you mentioned has the STOP code 0x7E which equates to 0x7E = Corrupted OS file, possibly from overclocking. Run sfc /scannow and chkdsk /r
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1) turn off quick boot ....there's information posted that is lost to you while under quick boot.
2) if you shoot (Photo) with the screen turned at about 10-20 degrees to the side .....we might be able to see what's on your screen ;)
3) turn off USB mouse and keyboard function ..... we need to have nothing interfering (more drivers loaded to do nothing)
MORE INFORMATION
IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL
The IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL error is caused by a buggy device driver or an actual hardware conflict. If you've recently added new hardware to your system, try removing it and see if the error goes away. Likewise, if you've recently loaded a new device driver
NTFS_FILE_SYSTEM
An NTFS_FILE_SYSTEM error indicates hard disk corruption. If your system is bootable, run CHKDSK /F on all of your partitions immediately.
Here is a source that might help you pin down the driver or conflict ...... there's a bit of reading but not half as much as time already spent ;)
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc750081.aspx .... with problems like yours.....sometimes connecting the person with the right information can work wonders ..... hope this is true this time!
Aussie Allan
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i spent the hold day and part of today reading and looking .
all i have managed to figure out is that i have a conflict with the ssd and something else .
i have also figured out that if i leave my computer turned off for to long all i need to do to stop it from blue screening is .
1 turn my pc on .
2 turn it off as soon as it turns the screen on , dont let it load any windows files .
3 turn my pc on and it boots without blue screen .
i used to have to do this with my 6 gig of memory until i updated the bios ,
i used to get 4 gig showup and if i did a reboot all my memory would showup .
thanks
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You know if I was seeing this last post page for the first time ..... I might think you had a crook CMOS battery!...not common but it can happen !
Aussie Allan
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well i must admit that i did replace the battery for that same reason last week , also power supply .
i live nr Mansfield , nottinghamshire .
can i bring it to you lol .
there are loads of programs that claim to be able to fix blue-screen errors .
none are free ! .
thanks
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Thats a 400+ ml round trip :D :D :D
there are loads of programs that claim to be able to fix blue-screen errors .
none are free ! .
And none work!.....I know your desperate to fix it but don't throw your money away.
I'll go through your post in the morning when fresh.....and we'll have another go at it
Aussie Allan
Update!......do you have another keyboard......like a old PS2 one ?
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i do have a keyboard and a old mouse .
i can make a video of it booting if you want .
but its just like i said it is .
i get to my desktop for 3 to 10 seconds or so and it blue-screen .
if i just let it reboot it will keep blue-screening and bye doing so starts loosing files .
but if i turn it on then off before it boots anything ! its fine again until its left OFF for 2 to 3 hours then it will blue-screen if turned on again .
thanks
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What in fact you are describing is the procedure to kick in the back-up BIOS....... Which possibly suggests you have a fault with the Main bios (corrupt) or there is possibly a hardware fault with the BIOS chip itself.
But to go back a step.....are you saying you have already tried the old keyboard and mouse with no change to the problem?
Aussie Allan
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nope i never tested with old keyboard and mouse . ps2 your talking about ? not just stock usb ? i have both but old are up in loft .
i have some old com port stuff too lol .
there up in the loft until tomorrow , then i will go get them .
i just did a test ,,,,,, im not building my hopes up cos i only left it 1 hour . :o
but it booted without a blue screen .
and all i did was boot without any keyboard or mouse connected .
im off to bed , its 1.30 am and im knacked ,,,,, im so knacked i could not wait any-longer or i would have fell-asleep .
i will do this same test when i get up and let you know then .
like i say ,,, i dont think it was the right amount of time i waited to test but fingers crossed lol .
thanks ;)
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Well it certainly wouldn't be the first time a dodgy keyboard caused a load of grief. Often too it is one of the last things that you think of.
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its fixed . :D
its my on-board usb ports .
all the combo usb ports dont make BSoD ! .
i added the extra ports to the ports that are on the mobo and attached the new ports under where my graphic card is .
i put my keyboard and mouse in there and no problems after 2 cold restarts .
i have tested this also bye booting up left it all morning testing every part and every thing's ok .
i just got a normal usb keyboard and plugged it into the offending port and before i could lookup and my screen it had blue-screened the same error i have been getting all along .
so i thankyou all for your help and advise .
im glad you never giveup on me lol .
thanks again ;D
i will be back later to let you know ether way whats happening .
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;) ;)
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Cool! Glad to see that it's finally working ok. ;)
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today's a good-day .
ok i formatted moved the ssd to 6gb port on marvell .
reinstalled 64bit win7 onto the ssd .
installed my 2 hd backup .
added all my usb stuff in the other ports .
installed all upto date drivers and updated windows fully .
and its still working .
if i use the other usb ports it crashes still .
are they no good ? or is it the conflict thats doing it ? dont forget this only happens when the ssd is connected still .
thanks allen & DM !!
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I would say that as it only happens when the SSD is connected it must be because of a compatibility problem between them. Have you mad esure that the drive has the latest firmware installed and the motherboard has the latest BIOS version ?
I don't want to spoil things but you are probably looking for a problem by installing the SSD on the Marvell port. These Marvell 9128 controlled ports dont work properly and you will most likely find that it will drop your drive or f**k it up in some other way! They are not as fast as the Intel ICH10R controlled ports which are to SATA2 so the best port to connect your SSD to is SATA2_0. Make sure that you have it configured to AHCI as well.
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i think you have a glass ball there DM ::)
i started to load my black opps up and while updating it i lost my main hd and at the time it was my ssd .
so i moved every thing to the ICH10R side of the chipset .
allan did say to leave it there , but i thought he was just talking about testing .
the main thing is ,,,, my game is loaded lol .
its going to be after xmas before i can replace the mobo ,,,, and im think of going with the 1155 chip .
are there any good gigabyte boards coming out thats fast takes ssd and will take the 1155 chip and preferable take my memory .
the chip set is just faster than marvell at writing but nowhere near as fast at reading .
but thats ok as long as it runs .
thanks
the sd firmware is 2.15 and drive is 6.1.7600.16385
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It's crystal, none of that cheap rubbish here! Glass ball indeed!
As for upgrading the board, there is the new Gigabyte Assassin 2 (G1.Assassin2) that will be released any day now. That will be fast and have all of the added extras like the Bigfoot and Creative chips etc. all onboard as standard. This should make a big difference to games especially. Won't be cheap though. If that is too much money there is the G1.Sniper instead that is already on the market.
As for the Marvell ports I suspect that there is something not quite right if you are not getting better speeds from the Intel Southbridge controlled ports. Make sure that you have the best drivers for the Intel ICH10R chip. Are you running the IRST drivers ?
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i had a BSoD today . :(
was not the same error tho ,, irq is less than equal . never mind im already saving up for after xmas .
but that mobo has a dam gun on board too lol i want it just for that alone . 8) :D
it sounds like its going to kick ass to .
the layout is differant to , the memorys on both sides of the cpu .
i could not see how much it was ,,, but it will defenatly be FASTER than this 1 here .
thanks
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You are talking about the GI.Assassin2 by the sound of things with the gun heatsink. This is a LGA2011 socket motherboard which will take the new SandyBridge- E series processors. It will be far from cheap but it will also be the fastest thing around I am sure! So start saving the pennies now. It should be due out very soon as from my sources Intel have cut back a bit on the spec to enable an earlier launch date than originally expected.
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yup its around £430 to £470 depending on where you order it from ! amazon was cheapest .
there even giving 3 year warranty on the board there that confident .
i dont understand why its at rev 12 on it launch , or are there 11 other assassin boards .
i seen its a new chip to , but after reading about it and its reviews im having that board and chip .
i spend loads on this one , and the kids want this one .
all im taking out this one is the ssd and PSU if it will run the new board .
thanks DM
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Can you post a link to the board as the only one I can find on Amazon is the original GA-Assassin 1366 socket version.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigabyte-SKT-1366-G1-Assassin-Motherboard/dp/B004NBYD78/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1319715306&sr=8-1