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Overclocking, Benching, Events, Tweaking & Modding => Overclocking motherboards with AMD processors => Topic started by: agros on November 11, 2011, 10:38:34 am
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I m transfering here the discuss of 960T in order to talk about o/c.
There are some questions.
- Installing this new cpu (instead of a 720) I have to reset bios settings?
- This cpu has turbo boost, the previous one didn't have. Which bios option do I have to set? I have latest bios version(F10).
- If I want o/c I first need disable turbo boost and cool&quiet, right?
- About voltage... Bios says that normal is 1,475V. Is this really normal? I read in newegg that people easily o/c this cpu with just 1.2V
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Hi argos,
Thougth I'd drop by as this thread has had no replies I've just upgraded my old AM2 PC with the Phenom II X4 960T Black Edition plus GA-880GM-UD2H and 8GB of Corsair Ram. See my questions about the voltage settings here:
http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,7566.0.html
I cannot tell you a thing about overclocking, but as to 1.475Vcore being normal, well it is the published voltage for the CPU operating at 3GHz. But you are right it is possible to run this CPU at > 3GHz with Vcore set to < 1.4V.
See these:
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2078376
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2102831
The second appears to have been achieved by just upping the CPU multiplier !! But there's no note of what cooling was used, and your m/board's power system amd PSU will be stressed so be cautious.
Have you seen this?
http://www.overclock.net/t/1070723/my-new-960t-unlocked-to-a-x6-1600t/60
The last but one entry has another stunning overclock example.
I'm more interested in undervolting for lower power consumption as I prefer a cool and silent system. Some indication of what can be done can be found here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/undervolt-cpu-phenom,2348-4.html
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Helloo my friend! :)
I m glad to see someone post here after 20 days. But I' m more glad because we have this same cpu (plus same ram, mine works at 1333MHz).
Before I examine your links, I ll write some important lines-->
Yes, I m also more interested in undervolting for lower power consumption, but so far I was much disappointed.
The default core voltage(turbo boost disabled) is 1,35V. Never drops down 1,35. Even with c&q enabled. Thats bad. My previous 720 dropped down to 1.1V, my Sempron 140 drops down to 1,0V... Why 960T can't drop down?
I tried to reduce the core volt via bios. Minimum reduce is 1.27V. But then system wasn't able to start. I had to clear CMOS :(
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agros,
If you read my post you'll find out the reason why the voltage does not drop at idle frequency. My Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H rev 1.4 board does a better job than yours. With Turbo Core enabled and set to 3400Mhz, the CPU voltage can go as low as 1.275V and is stable. This is the voltage that is applied for the boosted freq of 3.4GHz, all others operate at 1.125V.
The only way you get you system to act more like your old CPU is to use a program like K10stat. Thsi article will give you a start:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/processor-power-management,2453.html
To save having to clear the CMOS when the system freezes, you can use AMD's overdrive program to adjust system parameters. But it can only change the voltage for the boosted freq and the maxc normal freq.
http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloads/amd-overdrive/pages/overview.aspx
If you only use the BIOS settings to tune your system, you have two options:
1. Leave Turbo Core enabled and find the lowest CPU voltage for a stable system running prim95 and/or AMD's overdrive stability test. Let's call that Sv. Then all other frequencies will operate at (Sv - 0.15V).
2. Disable Turbo core and then find the lowest CPU voltage for a stable system running prim95 and/or AMD's overdrive stability test. All frequencies up to 3GHz will operate at this same voltage.
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What do you mean your mobo does better job than mine? What exactly job? Core voltage depens on mobo?
If I enable turbo boost I ll have 1,5V and 1,3V-1,5V with c&q enabled. Now you tell me that I can get 1.27V, I dont know how to do that, but its not important because I dont use turbo boost, its useless. I disable turbo boost in order to make easy o/c.
As I said, I dropped the default voltage in its minimum reduce(1,35-->1.27) and system couldnt restart. So there is not something else to check via amd overdrive. It wont allow me anything below 1,35V.
2. Disable Turbo core and then find the lowest CPU voltage for a stable system running prim95 and/or AMD's overdrive stability test. All frequencies up to 3GHz will operate at this same voltage.
So you tell me that prim95 or amd overdrive will give me voltage below 1.35V ?...
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agros,
I'ts pity we cannot converse in Greek, as I appreciate I may not have explained myself very clearly. Better Job? I simply meant my m/board appears to be stable with voltage settings that make your system unstable.
The programs Prime95 and/or AMD overdrive are just used to test if your system is stable for a given o/clock or undervolt when put under stress.
The Ga-880GM-UD2H rev 1.4 allows the manual setting of the CPU voltage to be dropped by upto -0.6V from its normal value. What volatge range does your m/board allow?
If your m/board will not even boot if the CPU voltage is dropped below 1.35V then there seems little you can do. I assume you have updated its BIOS to the latest available.
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Its not the language, its that you dont read my posts.
Ok, those programs will tell me the right volt but this is not important. The important thing is HOW to set that volt... Via bios is impossible, as I explained.
The minimum reduce, I said, is from 1.35-->1.27 and that makes restart failure.
Tell me what you did in your (same)cpu. Did you drop voltage? How much?
I have the latest bios update(F10).
So, you final conclusion is that there is nothing I can do, and I ll always have 1.3V minimum?...
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Be assured I read your posts, and if you had read mine you would know the answers to all your questions and would have answered mine.
As to my conclusoin, if your system is not stable below a given CPU voltage, there's nothing you can do excpet maybe try a differnt m/board. Instead of dropping the CPU voltage in your BIOS you could try to use AMD's overdrive program.
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If u read my posts then u dont ask for things that already mentioned.
You didnt tell me... what did you do with your (same)cpu? Did u undervolt? how much? Dont avoid to answer. You suggest me things that u dont use in your system?
So u say that voltage is a mobo's issue. And how do u explain that this mobo is able to drop 1.1V with 720, but unable to drop below 1.3 with 960T?
What this amd overdrive could offer me? What I want is to auto drop voltage when idle. Can amd overdrive do that?
What is you wei cpu score?
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If u read my posts then u dont ask for things that already mentioned.
Believe it or not, I'm trying to be helpful, but that's not proving to be too easy.
You didnt tell me... what did you do with your (same)cpu? Did u undervolt? how much?
This is all in my previous posts ..... http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,7566.0.html
I had set the CPU voltage to 1.275 with Turbo Core enabled and found the other frequencies to operate at 1.12(5)V in CPU-Z. etc, etc.
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2128009
Dont avoid to answer. You suggest me things that u dont use in your system?
Like what? I experimented with both AMD overdrive and BIOS settings, that's all I have suugested you try.
So u say that voltage is a mobo's issue. And how do u explain that this mobo is able to drop 1.1V with 720, but unable to drop below 1.3 with 960T?
It looks like a combo of m/board and BIOS. What are the p-state CPU VIds of the 720? If the lowest default CPU VId of the 720 is 1.1V, that might explain it. In other words, it's possible your m/board + BIOS cannot drop CPU voltage below the factory set CPU VId, which unfrotunatley is set at 1.325V for the 960T.
What this amd overdrive could offer me? What I want is to auto drop voltage when idle. Can amd overdrive do that?
What is you wei cpu score?
Try it and see for yourself, but it will not auto the idle voltage below 1.325V. Only k10stat might do that. I have no idea what my WEI score is. If you had read my post you would have seen I moslty use Linux. I only loaded Win7 for the convenience of testing with CPU-Z , Hwmon, AMD overdrive and Prime95 etc.
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This is all in my previous posts ..... http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,7566.0.html
I had set the CPU voltage to 1.275 with Turbo Core enabled and found the other frequencies to operate at 1.12(5)V in CPU-Z. etc, etc.
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2128009
Yes, we talk in that thread too, but dont send me in a big post instead of answer me in one simple line.
But still your answer is not clear. What the "etc" has to do?
Do you always have turbo boot enabled? What about Cool & Quiet?
I want to clearly tell me your voltage scale when you work your cpu. From xxx to yyy. With/without turbo boost/c&q.
It looks like a combo of m/board and BIOS. What are the p-state CPU VIds of the 720? If the lowest default CPU VId of the 720 is 1.1V, that might explain it. In other words, it's possible your m/board + BIOS cannot drop CPU voltage below the factory set CPU VId, which unfrotunatley is set at 1.325V for the 960T.
Once more, I have to repeat what you havent read :(
720 has a scale 0.85-1.42V and TDP 95W. These numbers are similar to 960T's.
1.325 is for you, for me is 1.35
Try it and see for yourself, but it will not auto the idle voltage below 1.325V. Only k10stat might do that. I have no idea what my WEI score is. If you had read my post you would have seen I moslty use Linux. I only loaded Win7 for the convenience of testing with CPU-Z , Hwmon, AMD overdrive and Prime95 etc.
If it wont drop the idle voltage then its useless for me.
Ok maybe I ll check that k10stat if its easy in use and safe, but I wonder why this k10star has to do c&q's usual work...
Yes I saw that you use linux, I just asked for a wei score, if its possible. PCMark05 score? Lets compare.
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argos,
As I have already posted:
Turbo Core Enabled - auto - 3400Mhhz
CnQ Enabled
AMD C1E Enabled
Sytem Voltage Settings Manual
CPU Voltage 1.275 (sets B0 state voltage)
In WIn7 cpu-z, hwmonitor show all non-turbo frequencies work at 1.125V. There is no voltage change as freq changes, other than when turbo core kicks in
3400Mhz - 1.275V
3000Mhz - 1.125V
2300Mhz - 1.125V
1600Mhz - 1.125V
800MHz - 1.125V
Once more, I have to repeat what you havent read Sad
720 has a scale 0.85-1.42V and TDP 95W. These numbers are similar to 960T's.
1.325 is for you, for me is 1.35
The voltage scale you have quoted for the 720 is NOT the same thing as its CPU VId set. The CPU VId set for the 960T is as I have already posted:
B0 1.475V 3400MHz
P0 1.325V 3000MHz
P1 1.325V 2300MHz
P2 1.325V 16000MHz
P3 1.325V 800MHz
What's the set for the 720? My bet is the lowest voltage in its set will be 1.15V.
Ok maybe I ll check that k10stat if its easy in use and safe, but I wonder why this k10star has to do c&q's usual work...
Yes I saw that you use linux, I just asked for a wei score, if its possible. PCMark05 score? Lets compare.
If you had read and understood what I've written you would know exaclty why CnQ does do what you expect and ilde at a low voltage. On my system setting the P3 state CPU Vid with k10stat can drop the idle voltage to 0.8V. Be careful if you use it. For a k10stat explanation go here:
http://unfusedjournal.blogspot.com/2011/02/k10stat-tutorial.html
My WEI score is 4.1 because I only use a G210 videocard, but the processor score is 7.3 and the RAM score is 7.4 . I don't have PCMark.
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As I have already posted:
Turbo Core Enabled - auto - 3400Mhhz
CnQ Enabled
AMD C1E Enabled
Sytem Voltage Settings Manual
CPU Voltage 1.275 (sets B0 state voltage)
We know that turbo boost enabled will always give 3.4GHz, no need to mention. Try give the useful info--> If you have c&q on, then whats its scale? cpu voltage from what to what.
You can watch the voltage variation real time with a program like Everest.
I dont want to hear again for the turbo boost, I dont use it.
The voltage scale you have quoted for the 720 is NOT the same thing as its CPU VId set. The CPU VId set for the 960T is as I have already posted:........
What is "vld set"? I just wrote the specs as official amd gives them. The numbers of 960T are 0.825-1.475, as you wrote them yourself in the other thread. As you see, the low limit is similar.
If you had read and understood what I've written you would know exaclty why......................
Its funny to accuse me all the time that "I havent read and understood what you've written" while I showed you so many times that its you who dont read and dont understand what I m talking about. Just see this post, or the next quote-->
My WEI score is 4.1 because I only use a G210 videocard, but the processor score is 7.3 and the RAM score is 7.4 . I don't have PCMark.
I said the cpu wei score. Btw, I have cpu 7.3(7.4 with easy o/c to 3.7GHz) ram 7.4 (we have same cpu and ram) vga 6.8 and hd 7.6. Funny thing is that with 720(wei 6.8 ) I had 7.5 for ram and 7.8 for hd! I cant understand why.
You can install pcmark05 but keep in mind that cpu score will depend also on card.
...you would know exaclty why CnQ does do what you expect and ilde at a low voltage. On my system setting the P3 state CPU Vid with k10stat can drop the idle voltage to 0.8V
If this k10stat can drop to 0.8V when idle, thats good. And how much will immidiately get it when full load?
C&q can only drop to 1.3V for me, as I told you several times.
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its funny to accuse me all the time that "I havent read and understood what you've written" while I showed you so many times that its you who dont read and dont understand what I m talking about. Just see this post, or the next quote-->
Funny, is the right word. Because you really make me laugh argos. I've tried to be patient, understanding and helpful but I've had it, you're on your own. As to understadning, why is it you can't get your system as you want and I can? Do you actually know what a CPU Vid is yet?
Good luck, mate.
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I was the patient one. All u did was to force me repeat same things and deny answer staight to the point and to my questions. You are unable to write whats your c&q scale, althought I asked it several times... This is the useful info, not those numbers which are well known.
Laugh as much as you want, but first try understand what the other person says.
You really were a waste of time.
As to understadning, why is it you can't get your system as you want and I can?
What is that which you can but I can't?!... ???
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You are unable to write whats your c&q scale, althought I asked it several times...
Didn't I write it already above?????????????
3400Mhz - 1.275V
3000Mhz - 1.125V
2300Mhz - 1.125V
1600Mhz - 1.125V
800MHz - 1.125V
Laugh as much as you want, but first try understand what the other person says.
You really were a waste of time.
I understand perfectly what you are saying.
What is that which you can but I can't?!...
This ..
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2128009
and this ..
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2136419
Or have you actually got an further? Goodbye and good luck.
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Didn't I write it already above?????????????
3400Mhz - 1.275V
3000Mhz - 1.125V
2300Mhz - 1.125V
1600Mhz - 1.125V
800MHz - 1.125V
So the answer is--> from 1.12 to 1.27 ?! Then your cpu works with less of its power. Maximum should be 1.4 or 1.5...
How do you watch it? Do you watch it real time?
I understand perfectly what you are saying.
Your posts so far prove that a) you dont understand b) you avoid to answer many of my questions.
Read the next quote-->
This .. http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2128009 and this ..
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2136419
Or have you actually got an further? Goodbye and good luck.
But these images are not what I m tallking about. I dont want downgrade my cpu. You need read thread from the beggining.
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Hi :)
My 960T @ x5 1600T doesn't drop its voltage too when cool n quiet function is enabled... seems to be the case for each "zosma core"... :-\ My previous x3 720 b.e dropped its voltage to 1,075v but my 960T remains at the vcore set in bios...
On auto voltage it remains at 1,35v, turbocore on or off and c1e on or off...
Only the frequence drops...
So in order to save power i've turned on cnq, turbocore and c1e state but lowered on purpose the vcore of my 960T at 1,25v which obviously prevents me to overclock it very well... (14,5x225 @ 1,25v and 16x225 @ 1,35v turbocore on)
But previously i've succeeded in o/cing it at 17x225 turbocore on @ 1,525v @ cnq on.
And now what interests me is saving power for 12h/24h use :D ;D
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I only want to say that a lot of this trying to save power and cut down on the power when in idle etc is generally not worth the effort. The amount of power actually saved is negligable and while the idea is admirable the reallity of it is fairly futile.
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Hi :)
My 960T @ x5 1600T doesn't drop its voltage too when cool n quiet function is enabled... seems to be the case for each "zosma core"... :-\ My previous x3 720 b.e dropped its voltage to 1,075v but my 960T remains at the vcore set in bios...
On auto voltage it remains at 1,35v, turbocore on or off and c1e on or off...
Only the frequence drops...
So in order to save power i've turned on cnq, turbocore and c1e state but lowered on purpose the vcore of my 960T at 1,25v which obviously prevents me to overclock it very well... (14,5x225 @ 1,25v and 16x225 @ 1,35v turbocore on)
But previously i've succeeded in o/cing it at 17x225 turbocore on @ 1,525v @ cnq on.
And now what interests me is saving power for 12h/24h use :D ;D
Helloo!
Glad to meet someone with same cpu's, from 720 to 960T :)
Indeed, c&q dropped 720's vcore to 1.1V but 960T wont go below 1.3V
If u set turbo core on then u ll have 1.4-1.5V
About o/c, u can easily get 4GHz with some +1.0V or so. I do it as 200x20
Now, getting to the point,
u said that u set power to 1.25V... How did u do that?
I only want to say that a lot of this trying to save power and cut down on the power when in idle etc is generally not worth the effort. The amount of power actually saved is negligable and while the idea is admirable the reallity of it is fairly futile.
Yes, but when u run an absolutely fanless system u need even the smallest energy saving ;)
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I only want to say that a lot of this trying to save power and cut down on the power when in idle etc is generally not worth the effort. The amount of power actually saved is negligable and while the idea is admirable the reallity of it is fairly futile.
I'm not really sure Dark Mantis... Lowering default vcore is interesting for those who want to save a little bit power/energy above all when letting work on idle (downloading) their pc's...even tough the difference must not be taller than that, but worth the bargain for me :D ;)
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Hi :)
My 960T @ x5 1600T doesn't drop its voltage too when cool n quiet function is enabled... seems to be the case for each "zosma core"... :-\ My previous x3 720 b.e dropped its voltage to 1,075v but my 960T remains at the vcore set in bios...
On auto voltage it remains at 1,35v, turbocore on or off and c1e on or off...
Only the frequence drops...
So in order to save power i've turned on cnq, turbocore and c1e state but lowered on purpose the vcore of my 960T at 1,25v which obviously prevents me to overclock it very well... (14,5x225 @ 1,25v and 16x225 @ 1,35v turbocore on)
But previously i've succeeded in o/cing it at 17x225 turbocore on @ 1,525v @ cnq on.
And now what interests me is saving power for 12h/24h use :D ;D
Helloo!
Glad to meet someone with same cpu's, from 720 to 960T :)
Indeed, c&q dropped 720's vcore to 1.1V but 960T wont go below 1.3V
If u set turbo core on then u ll have 1.4-1.5V
About o/c, u can easily get 4GHz with some +1.0V or so. I do it as 200x20
Now, getting to the point,
u said that u set power to 1.25V... How did u do that?
I only want to say that a lot of this trying to save power and cut down on the power when in idle etc is generally not worth the effort. The amount of power actually saved is negligable and while the idea is admirable the reallity of it is fairly futile.
Yes, but when u run an absolutely fanless system u need even the smallest energy saving ;)
I totally agree Agros ;) And yes i'm totally satisfied having changed my x3 720 BE for this x4 960T BE !
Concerning o/c when i let it on 4 cores i succeeded in o/cing it at 20x200 @ 1,525v turbocore OFF... and then since i've succeeded in unlocking the 5th core i o/ced it at 17x225 @ 1,525v turbocore ON but now in order to save power and because of its non lowering vcore when CNQ is enabled i've decided to lower manually through bios the vcore of my X5 at 1,25v (Normal Mode -> 14,5x225 + Idle -> 4x225) and 1,35v when turbocore is working -> 16x225 ;)
You only have to set all these parameters through bios Agros :D
Here's the cpu-z validator banner of my overclocked X4 960T @ X5 (http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/2151679.png) (http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2151679)
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Well my friend, I tried once to set value <1.35 and then system wasnt able to start. So I had to clear CMOS...
Can you help me? What exactly should I set? (just 4 cores)
Of course this won't be a solution. We ll have to re-set it each time we need more power.
We want a program to auto run vcore from 1 to 1.5 rage.
About o/c, I m not too experienced. Do u think that for 3.8GHz its better to set 225x17 than 19x200?
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Hi ;)
Your system should usually boot up at 1,30v or less (for example 1,275v) at its stock frequency --> 15x200, let's just try this...if it crashes just lower the frequency of your 960T using 4 cores, for example: 14,5 or 14x200 in order to check from which frequency your phenom is able to boot up with the vcores i've mentionned above... but remember each cpu even concerning the same model has its own abilities concernig o/c and voltage efficience...it depends of its core: "acbbe, ccbbe..." and its manufacture year... my 960T has "ccbbe cb 11 38" species for your knowledge...And for o/cing 17x225 should be better than 19x200 as a higher htt allows a higher memory bandwidth..but you only should see the difference in benchmarks not in day to day use...
Just know that thuban/zosma cores behave differently than deneb/heka/callisto cores...as the vcore set in MIT bios directly regards the turbocore vcore and when idling this turbocore vcore automaticaaly lowers to minus 0,1v... My settings in my bios are exactly: 1,375v (concerns turbocore) and 1,275v for idle (this line doesn't appear but is implicite as idle is the result of turbocore vcore minus 0,1v) but be careful cool and quiet and turbocore have to be enabled to allow cpu throttling, without that the set vcore never changes !!
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/38575-amd-phenom-ii-x6-1100t-black-edition-six-core-processor-review-2.html
When clicking on this hyperlink just read this review at the bottom of the page: it explains the fact that each cpu has its own vcore characteristics !!
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I could try 1.30 or 1.27(1.27V already failed as I said in previous page) but this is still high.
I don't want to lower frequency. Point is not to downgrade cpu but to use less power when idle.
I ll prefer 17x225 instead of 19x200, if you say its better :)
How much voltage do u raise for 17x225?
..but you only should see the difference in benchmarks not in day to day use...
Are you talking for o/c in general, or for this particular mode 17x225?
... My settings in my bios are exactly: 1,375v (concerns turbocore) and 1,275v for idle (this line doesn't appear but is implicite as idle is the result of turbocore vcore minus 0,1v) but be careful cool and quiet and turbocore have to be enabled to allow cpu throttling, without that the set vcore never changes !!
I dont use the turbo boost(also to avoid the 1.475 default vcore), I prefer easy o/c up to 4GHz when I need more power. But only for a while because temp will approach 65oC(no fans).
What is your live c&q scale and how do you watch it?
each cpu has its own vcore characteristics !!
Yes, each cpu has its own characteristics but 720 and 960t look like similar-->
official amd site says
720 has a scale 0.85-1.42V, TDP 95W
960T has a scale 0.825-1.475, TDP 95W.
C&Q can auto drop 720's voltage to 1V but cant do the same on 960T?
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Yes i'm talking for o/cing in general... i have raised vcore at 1,525v for 17x225 as my 960T is unlocked in 5 cores (need more power for a well/good use in comparison of 4 cores), but it was just for the cpuz validator performance now i have already told you my x5 is set: 16x225 for turboboost mode: vcore 1,375v and 14,5x225 @ 1,275v for idle or normal mode + cool and quiet mode 4x225 @ 1,275v.
Like i've already told you the turboboost vcore can be changed and lowered in comparison of its 1,475v (by default).
For my case i'm obliged to activate turboboost in order to have more performance, as i don't want to overclock too much my cpu as the set vcore in bios doesn't lower (for example if i o/c it at 4ghz it will need 1,525v or 1,55v which it's too much for me so i do a light o/c with a medium voltage 1,275v and i activate turboboost with an acceptable voltage: 1,375v.
And yes and this is what is disappointing cool and quiet doesn't lower 960T's voltage and i don't understand why maybe it is the case for every thuban/zosma cores... Can you inquire about it around you ? For my measures i use hwmonitor and cpu-z (both at the same time) and now i only use easytune6...but i will wait for a new version of coretemp which will correctly recognize my x5 as i used it before with my 720...this soft is wonderful as it gives equally the cpu load through percentage !
You don't have the choice with this cpu: either you overclock it but it will need high voltage or you downclock it or let it at its normal speed and you will be able to lower its voltage for saving power and for my case i think i have succeeded in finding a very good compromise ;D :D
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Yes i'm talking for o/cing in general...
Ok, let us not discuss about the results of o/c here, maybe in another thread.
.....so i do a light o/c with a medium voltage 1,275v
You told me to reduce frequency in order to reduce voltage. But you reduce voltage and you raise frequency?...
And yes and this is what is disappointing cool and quiet doesn't lower 960T's voltage and i don't understand why maybe it is the case for every thuban/zosma cores... Can you inquire about it around you ? For my measures i use hwmonitor and cpu-z (both at the same time) and now i only use easytune6...but i will wait for a new version of coretemp which will correctly recognize my x5 as i used it before with my 720...this soft is wonderful as it gives equally the cpu load through percentage !
If c&q is unable to work as it works on 720 then we need another application which can auto lower voltage to at least 1.0V when idle.
I unquired(asked) already here and also in a couple of other forums, but no any answer.
Cpu-z cant watch live the vcore, right? I use AIDA64, which is the son of Everest. I dont know about hwmonitor, is it good?
And about that ET6... can u use it to under/overclock without bios enter?
Are you sure you have 5 working cores?
How much wei do u have? How much pcmark05?
Or tell me another bench you use, so that we can make some comparison :)
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And yes and this is what is disappointing cool and quiet doesn't lower 960T's voltage and i don't understand why maybe it is the case for every thuban/zosma cores... Can you inquire about it around you ?
Yes, it is true for all 960T CPUs. Please read my contributions to this thread for an explanation. If you are unfamiliar with the terms p-state or CPU Vid , google is your friend.
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If c&q is unable to work as it works on 720 then we need another application which can auto lower voltage to at least 1.0V when idle.
I unquired(asked) already here and also in a couple of other forums, but no any answer.
I have given you the answer already with references, use the k10stat program. Here's my Xmas present, another reference to the k10stat program:
http://aspiregemstone.blogspot.com/2009/06/k10stat-amd-griffin-processor.html
I'm sure you could unearth more/better refs with Google.
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I only want to say that a lot of this trying to save power and cut down on the power when in idle etc is generally not worth the effort. The amount of power actually saved is negligable and while the idea is admirable the reallity of it is fairly futile.
I'm surprised you should say this. If I offered you two CPUs of the same make/model one which overclocks to 3.8GHz @ 1.4v and the other which overclocks to 3.8Hz at 1.5V, which would you choose?
So why would I choose to operate a CPU at 800Mhz with a Vcore of 1.325V, when it can work at 0.8v, or operate it at 3Ghz with a Vcore of 1.325v when it can work at 1.125V?
I don't have the means to measure the CPU power draw on the 12v line. But there are some published results here:
http://www.lostcircuits.com/mambo//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=103&Itemid=1&limit=1&limitstart=6
The idle Power draw for the 960T is likely to be around 10w, but that's only if Vcore is around 0.8v. While a CPU is not a simple ohm's law device, the power draw is still reckoned to be roughly proportional to the square of the Vcore. Operating the 960T at 800Mhz with a Vcore of 1.325V would consume approx 25W. Likewise, operating at at 3Ghz with a Vcore of 1.125V instead of 1.325V may use around 20% less power for the CPU.
Of course, the time a system spends in a low CPU state depends on its use, but I believe it's easy to underestimate this.
One of thses days I'll get myself a power meter and attempt to measure at least the system power draw and get some actual figures for the mix of power states my PC uses. At current UK electricity prices, based on my PC up time, I'd save about £1 per annum for every watt saved. It could amount to £30 per annum. Not a lot, but not futile, nor does it require much effort to have a 960T operating a more sensible voltages.
So until I can show otherwise, I prefer to lower Vcore for all operating frequencies, reduce power draw and produce less heat. The system is cooler, fans can be ramped down and noise reduced and the strain on the m/board vrm is less.
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I have given you the answer already with references, use the k10stat program.
I'm sure you could unearth more/better refs with Google.
But we already discussed about that.
You said that your capability is to have a scale from 1.12 to 1.27... This is not what we want, 1.27V means that you downgrade your cpu.
I have checked google but no results.
Most of the people have not yet known about 960T.
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You said that your capability is to have a scale from 1.12 to 1.27... This is not what we want, 1.27V means that you downgrade your cpu.
Can you please explain in what way you think I have downgraded my CPU by running it at 3.4GHz with a voltage of 1.275V instead of 1.475V.
Near the very beginning of this thread you said:
Yes, I m also more interested in undervolting for lower power consumption, but so far I was much disappointed.
The default core voltage(turbo boost disabled) is 1,35V. Never drops down 1,35. Even with c&q enabled. Thats bad. My previous 720 dropped down to 1.1V, my Sempron 140 drops down to 1,0V... Why 960T can't drop down?
And after everything I have written you are still asking this question:
If c&q is unable to work as it works on 720 then we need another application which can auto lower voltage to at least 1.0V when idle.
I unquired(asked) already here and also in a couple of other forums, but no any answer.
So let's be absolutely clear, do you still wish to operate your CPU so it idles at 800MHz with a low voltage or not?
As far as I am aware, I am only the only person on this forum, or any other forum you may have visited, who has bothered to explain why the 960T behaves as it does. I have also suggested ways to deal with this, and the most flexilbe option is to use the k10stat program which will enable you to run your 960T CPU at lower voltages than the default settings.
As to google, a search on k10stat returns 132,000 results, it' also easy to find others who think CnQ doesn't work with a 960T using a google search. E.g:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1184943/cool-n-quiet-on-960t
You are in abetter position than some, you've been given the answer, whether you choose to act on it is up to you. I really have no more to say on this issue.
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Can you please explain in what way you think I have downgraded my CPU by running it at 3.4GHz with a voltage of 1.275V instead of 1.475V.
The amount of frequency is matter of o/c. If I o/c then I ll raise to 3.7-4.0GHz. Lets focus to the voltage.
Btw, I/you can o/c 960T easily to 3.4GHz with default voltage and turbo boost disabled ;)
So let's be absolutely clear, do you still wish to operate your CPU so it idles at 800MHz with a low voltage or not?
As far as I am aware, I am only the only person on this forum, or any other forum you may have visited, who has bothered to explain why the 960T behaves as it does. I have also suggested ways to deal with this, and the most flexilbe option is to use the k10stat program which will enable you to run your 960T CPU at lower voltages than the default settings.
Ok ok, I ll try this k10stat, can u give a download link?
I dont think u explained me why 960T behaves as it does because in the other thread seems u have same queries with me. You know not more things than I do. The "ways u suggested me" are not important. You miss the point, plus that u avoided answer in many questions I did to u.
If k10stat wont give 1.4-1.5V in full cpu load then I guess it wont be useful. But I ll check that with bench.
As to google, a search on k10stat returns 132,000 results, it' also easy to find others who think CnQ doesn't work with a 960T using a google search
We talked about k10stat several times, I meant other programs.
Its obvious that c&q wont work on 960T the way it works on 720.
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And for o/cing 17x225 should be better than 19x200 as a higher htt allows a higher memory bandwidth..
I enter bios to set it but if I change frequency (from default 200) and then choose manual vcore, theres a blinking msg "system voltage not optimized"... What this suppose to mean?
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And for o/cing 17x225 should be better than 19x200 as a higher htt allows a higher memory bandwidth..
I enter bios to set it but if I change frequency (from default 200) and then choose manual vcore, theres a blinking msg "system voltage not optimized"... What this suppose to mean?
It means that Gigabyte warns the end user that raising cpu & mainboard voltages is dangerous for hardware and doing that will desactivate the guarantee... I won't use k10stat software because i'm satisfied of my settings and i think that 1,26v (1,275v in bios) in idle and 1,36v (1,375v in bios) are very acceptable voltages for me ;D :D
Here are the screens of my three "states" of the settings i've made on my config' :
IDLE-->(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/4807/28792376.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/842/28792376.jpg/)
CHARGE TBC NOT ACTIVE-->(http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/7411/37931486.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/804/37931486.jpg/)
CHARGE TBC ACTIVE--> (http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/2095/16898838.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/39/16898838.jpg/)
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It means that Gigabyte warns the end user that raising cpu & mainboard voltages is dangerous for hardware and doing that will desactivate the guarantee...
lol yes, this is the obvious meaning. My question is why there's this message while there isn't if you only change the multiplier.
I won't use k10stat software because i'm satisfied of my settings and i think that 1,26v (1,275v in bios) in idle and 1,36v (1,375v in bios) are very acceptable voltages for me ;D :D
But the point is the auto adjustment.
Those images say that u have TDP 160W...
What is your wei cpu score? Mine is 7.5 with 4 cores if 4GHz.
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It means that Gigabyte warns the end user that raising cpu & mainboard voltages is dangerous for hardware and doing that will desactivate the guarantee...
lol yes, this is the obvious meaning. My question is why there's this message while there isn't if you only change the multiplier.
I won't use k10stat software because i'm satisfied of my settings and i think that 1,26v (1,275v in bios) in idle and 1,36v (1,375v in bios) are very acceptable voltages for me ;D :D
But the point is the auto adjustment.
Those images say that u have TDP 160W...
What is your wei cpu score? Mine is 7.5 with 4 cores if 4GHz.
X4 960T is for the moment not entirely recognized by cpuid softwares...before unlocking my 960T cpu-z said that it had "107w of tdp" whereas in fact it only has 95w... jut let see hwmonitor it says that my X5 has 115.5w of tdp changing till 177w in charge whereas in fact X6 thuban cores have only 125w of tdp even the 1090T & 1100T
Here is my screen just see the wattage --> (http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/3399/packfg.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/535/packfg.jpg/)
Otherwise the cpu score is 7,4 on my WIN7-64 home premium with the unlocked 5th core @ 3,26Ghz @ 1,26v and when i let it on 4 cores @ 3,5ghz...
Before my X3 720 had 6,9 with 3 cores @ 15x230 @ 1,40v cool and quiet ON 1,075v
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Otherwise the cpu score is 7,4 on my WIN7-64 home premium with the unlocked 5th core @ 3,26Ghz @ 1,26v and when i let it on 4 cores @ 3,5ghz...
Before my X3 720 had 6,9 with 3 cores @ 15x230 @ 1,40v cool and quiet ON 1,075v
So you have 7.4 with 5 cores @3.2GHz. I also have 7.4 in about that or more frequency but with 4 cores.
I had 6.9 in 720 too, with 3 cores in about same freq(3.4-3.6GHz). C&Q doesnt effect wei score, I quess.
Do u also get 7.5 if 4GHz?
Any pcmark05 score? :)
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I should reach 7,5 with 4ghz but now i don't want to check it as i don't want to mess in bios with my actual good settings ;D
Concerning pcmark05 it isn't set in my pc and...i don't want it except there's a portable version...
If you want benchmark results here are 2 screens of 3d mark vantage which is much better than your pcmark 05 in order to see what is able one pc: the 1st screen shows 960T 4 cores @ 4ghz and the other shows X5 @ 3,8ghz...let's compare :D
(http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/2572/3dmarkvantagex4960t4ghz.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/3dmarkvantagex4960t4ghz.jpg/)
(http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3489/3dmarkvantagex4960tx516.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/269/3dmarkvantagex4960tx516.jpg/)
Concerning your 960T could you tell us what is your stepping ? Mine is ccbbe cb 11 38 and you ?
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Before that Vantage,
theres something strange, I made 17x225 but gave 3.4GHz instead of 3.8...
And ram was 1499MHz instead of 1333.
Is this normal?
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Yes for the ram frequency it is normal: 225x6.66= 1498,5Mhz but for your cpu frequency: 17x225 should give you 3,82ghz... it's very odd :-\
You've forgotten to have give us your 960T batch/stepping...read my previous post i've given mine ;)
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So, with this way u also o/c the ram?
What is batch/stepping?
Anyway, heres a cpuZ image if I o/c to 4GHz(20x200, +1,25V) :)
(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/5429/52513397.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/585/52513397.png/)
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Good overclock !! Mine requires a superior voltage to reach this famous 20x200 (1,525v) and yes this way you also o/c the ram, otherwise the stepping/batch allows the user to check if his cpu has been manufactured in the good fab during a good period.... here is one example of a x2 555: what i mentionned in red concerns what i asked you...of course you should (as i made for my own cpu) have written this stepping on a piece of paper before the assemblage of your config' ;D :D
(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3576/x2555.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/4/x2555.jpg/)
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What do u mean "good fab"?..."good period"?
You mean that there are good models and bad models ???
Too strange to be real. AMD admits that?
Mine requires a superior voltage to reach this famous 20x200 (1,525v)
You mean that u tried 1.475 but crahed?
Well, I did. Some webpages+some music+online chess and... restart took place :)
I then made 19,5x200(3.9GHz) and seems to be stable.
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Yest it crashed at 1,475v but was stable at 1,525v ;) And yes it is known since first A64 based on socket 754 that batch/step allows users to know (with good inquiry of course) whether their cpus have been manufactured in a good fab (Global foundries have several sites of production indeed) and in a good period --> often last weeks of production in a year are the best as manufacture proceeds are better mastered by Amd/Globalfoundries...it's for this reason i've asked you to remove your scythe mugen in order to check this batch and tell us what it is about... take your time to do this ;) :D
And 19,5x200 it's good but don't forget that it won't lower its voltage and will remain at 1,475v...it's for this reason i've been obliged to make a compromise and lower my own voltage but nevertheless overclock the frequency a little bit in order to be above stock specifications ;D :D
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This story about good fab/good period looks like joke, does afficial amd admits it?
don't forget that it won't lower its voltage and will remain at 1,475v...
lower by who?.. I m the one who raise voltage from defailt 1,35 to 1,47.
Its manual job, not auto.
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It isn't a story (good fab/good period) and it is known by every GOOD overclocker since october 2004 (first A64 produced).
AMD have never spoken about that it's in fact overclockers who tested several samples and went to this conclusion ;)
And concerning lowering voltage i do know that you've done it manually but the aim when attempting to do a good overclock is to achieve to reach high frequencies with the lowest possible voltage...and as i know that you know that zosma core doesn't lower its voltage even when cool and quiet is enabled i just think it's odd that you want to run with such a power demanding configuration ??? ???
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Ok, I m sure its a rumor, probably created by Intel's fans :)
When I o/c its not forever, only when I need more power for a certain amount of time. For the rest of the time I want low temps and low wattage. That leads to a totally silent system ;)
That Vantage bench will give a score that also depend on card? Because mine is average (9800gt green).
Download link?
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I don't think it is an urban legend it is known by every hardware lover :-*
3dmark vantage depends on cpu and graphics card but at the end when the result appears we can see the detailled score (cpu apart from graphics)
So here is the download link http://www.3dmark.com/3dmarkvantage/ but be careful to run this bench your vga must be able to support dx10, just check for your gainward ;)
So have you removed your mugen in order to check your cpu batch my guy ?
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Can u give the exact link? I tried but download some patch... what is the size?
About the legend, I m sure 100% its a legend, its just that u accept what u hear if happens to have the "right" model :)
Of cource my vga has Dx10, I said its average, not old. I prefered a vga with PhysX than Dx11, plus that its green(no extra power connector).
Legend or no legend, there is no way to remove the heavy sink just to read the letters ::)
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I've just clicked on my own link for trying and there's no way to mistake ??? just click at the bottom right on "basic edition free download" and then just follow the instructions... it's reachable for everyone (even my 12 years old young neighbour).
So you shouldn't have any problem as your gainward supports dx10... what a pity that you are too lazy for removing your mugen heatsink we would have been able to compare our cpus... so it doesn't matter...
Good bench ! ;D :D
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I need a couple of hours to open pc, remove mobo out, change paste etc, and all these for something that I dont believe it. Its not logic to exist "good" models and "bad" models...
I just run that 3D Mark Vantage 1.1.0
the score is P5687, but this is about the graphics card, right?
Here is the result page--> http://3dmark.com/3dmv/3771341
Theres a cpu score--> 10141 in native 960T's function, whats yours?
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So ok i've understood for your mugen removing --> to long as you must be obliged to get your mainboard from the case off... it doesn't matter...but just inquire around you this is not a legend it really exists (good and bad period) !! Ask absic forumer ;D ;) And for the results i've already published them in the previous page just see... i have scored on 4 cores configuration at 4ghz and scored on 5 cores at 3,8ghz let's compare... you have a small score because of your legacy graphics card... but don't worry i know that it does its job for what you want...
Now just try to unlock your 960T...maybe you will be lucky and will be able to enable the 6 cores !! If right just bench on 3dmarkvantage to compare your result with mine ;D
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Ok, this 3dmark Vantage is for card bench. I wonder whats the difference with 3dmark06 (exept the speed, Vantage took me about only 4 min to complete).
I asked about your pc score with default timing(3.0GHz).
Powerfull cards are for children who play games 24hours per day :)
My score in 3.9GHz is 5849 and cpu score is 12802 ---> http://3dmark.com/3dmv/3775380
Lets make it clear, tell me your 3dmark Vantage cpu score with 4 cores in 3.0 and 3.9GHz to compare with my scores, 10141 and 12802.
My 960T is not unlockable, as I saw... Not too bad cause I want to remain in 95W and in low temps ;)
Btw, the other day I also tried the new PCMark7, maybe u d like to try it too. Gave me 2252 points in 3.8GHz --> http://3dmark.com/pcm7/238716
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Just tried it on my i7 920 and got 3866 at stock if you are interested.
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Which program? And whats your card.
Its pointless to compare different devices.
If u have a monster of 1500W and 1000dB noisy, I guess u ll really get a score of 1 billion ;D ;D
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Just tried it on my i7 920 and got 3866 at stock if you are interested.
Just tried it on mine all stock. Seems that mine isnt as far behind as I thought: http://3dmark.com/3dmv/3777357
Only the graphics appear to let it down: http://3dmark.com/healthcheck/3dmv/3777357
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Powerful video cards are not only made for no life and 24/24 players... they are also made for those who in spite of working very much want to play 4 hours a week for pleasure... and no i won't post results of 3dmark vantage with my 960t at stock and at 4ghz like you because the results for the cpu score will be the same as our cpus are the same... the interest surely is to compare when o/c have been made with different frequencies or unlocked cores in order to have an idea whether such frequencies are good or not or whether unlocking 1 or 2 extracores really bring benefits or not...besides i've spent much time to succeed in unlocking the 5th core and trying to o/c my cpu and now i'm satisfied of my results and i won't mess in bios again... but i've downloaded pcmark7 and i will post my results soon ;D
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Yes, I d like to play 4 or more hours per week too, but I dont see good games anymore :(
Today games have very good graphics but poor gameplay. No any hl2, far cry, doom3 or flatout2 in these ages. Just garbage and garbage.
So I now prefer to play online games and Mame.
i won't post results of 3dmark vantage with my 960t at stock and at 4ghz like you because the results for the cpu score will be the same as our cpus are the same...
Dont be so sure. Your score will be bigger because of your better card. Card effects score, I think.
You can run it with 4 cores in 3.0 and in 3.9GHz, u wont lose much time from your life :)
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Wohh Agros you've joined my way of thinking --> 4-5 hours of games per week is a good average !! It's clear Doom3 is must for me and its extension of course.. i hope that activision will make a 4 version ;D Nowadays i think there are good games too: the legacy Elderscrolls IV and now the fantastic Skyrim plus Fallout 3 and its extensions are for me the must !! :-*
And concerning the change of my settings in order to bench in 3dmark vantage at 3ghz and 3,9ghz @ x4 cores i still don't want even tough i won't spend much time in my life to do that as i've posted my scores in 5 cores mode and i've spoken about the CPU score which won't change as our cpus are the same and not about the global score...
Besides i've finished benching at pcmark 7 and here are my results with my settings: x5 @ 3,33ghz (14,5x230) and 3,56ghz in tbc mode (15,5x230)
--> http://3dmark.com/pcm7/239270
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If u know any really good game, then inform me. No adventure, no strategy, no simulator.
If u dont plan to bench with 4 cores, then its pointless to discuss about these matters.
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For the games why not trying the well known hack n' slash "Titan quest" or "Diablo" they should perhaps interest you ;) And for benchmarks did you see my score on pcmark 7 ? As i told you the last time i won't mess again in bios as i found the good settings with a good balanced power saving and overclocking... In a few while i will try to reach 20x200 on this 5 cores configuration in order to see whether my cpu can hold 4ghz @ x5... good luck for the future Agros ;D
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Hey, I said no adventure, no strategy.
If u bench with 5 cores then we havent something to compare, because I only have 4.
Changing some bios options is only a matter of seconds, so I wonder what is worrying u ???
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For the moment i don't want to mess in bios in acc section in order to go back to 4 cores instead of 5... however i just went in bios in order to gently re-overclock my cpu at 15x230 @ 1,30v and 16x230 (tbc mode) @ 1,40v... why not trying sooner wanting to change my mind attempting to unlock one or two extracores of your 960T ? Everybody owning this cpu has at least tried once to do that in order to see whether it is functional or not... ;) :D
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I already told u that my 960T is unlockable.
Call me if u find a way to auto reduce voltage when idle.
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Unlockable ? Oh sorry i don't remember... :-\ Let's make a last attempt: do it manually --> disable each core except the core "0" (impossible to disactivate) and like me enable step by step each core in order to see which one or maybe two are unfunctional because as regards me when doing what i'm telling you it permitted to me to see that according to ACC function the core "3" is unlockable but faulty -> once enabled win 7 crashes when loading...so the result is that i've got 6 unlockable cores but only 5 are functional :) ;)
960T cpu doesn't lower automatically its voltage as deneb cores (mine in any case) and in my settings i've enabled cool and quiet and turbo core function and set a medium voltage (1,30v now) which is the voltage that my cpu will reach in idle mode and 1,40v is the voltage in turbo core mode -> indeed when enabled this function automatically adds + 0,1v to the idle voltage... so this is the compromise i've found for a balanced overclocked/low consumption rig (920mhz in idle mode/3,45ghz in normal mode/3,68ghz in turbo core mode... all that with 5 cores enabled).
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Well, thanks for the instructions but in fact I dont want 5 or 6 cores :)
I dont want more watts or more heat. If I wanted a 6-cores cpu, I d had already taken it.
About voltage, as I said I lowered it once(1,27 that is the minimum I can through bios) and then system was unable to restart.
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Understood ! ;D So maybe in the future you will make a last attempt to unlock your cpu... Concerning lowering voltage i've succeeded in reaching 1,20v in bios (1,18v in windows) with a low frequency --> 13x200 and less...No way to lower more otherwise win 7 crashes :-\ :'(
Did you try to lower your stock frequency in order to see what is the bottom voltage that your 960T can reach ?
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Eee, no. This thing should be auto. I guess that if I lower frequency then I ll be able to lower voltage too.
But I dont want to enter bios all the time and adjust frequency and voltage :)
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Do as you want...but lowering voltage allows you to reduce your power consumption and the cost of your electricity invoice ;D
Don't forget that you can do what i'm telling you through the Gigabyte software that i'm using called "Easytune" ;)
Just download the latest version and use it !
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But yes... there's already a thread about ET here -->http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php/topic,7610.msg60334.html#msg60334
I posted in it the other day, I asked if I can raise cpu voltage through ET6, and the answer was no :P
Its really uncomfortable to enter bios all the time and adjust frequency/voltage :-\
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Oh...what a pity for ET6...You see that's why i've made this compromise between this mid voltage i've set and my overclocking (1,30v and 1,40v for tbc) caus' there's no other solution with this cpu as i don't want to hit 4ghz with 1,525v as it doesn't lower automatically and remains at the voltage set in bios !! Otherwise believe me i would have done it ! -> too cool : 4ghz @ 1,525v but cnq at 1,075v or 1,10v -> a dream...
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Are you sure you cant get 3,9GHz with 1,47V? (19.5x200)
This 960T cpu is excellent because u can easily raise frequency, only 95W default and really cool.
The only problem is that c&q wont auto drop from 1.35V to lower.
(is it my idea or we ruminate same things since last month? ;D)
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(is it my idea or we ruminate same things since last month? ;D)
I had to make it a bit bigger in order for my old eyes to be able to read it! ;)
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What is your screen resolution, grandpa? :)
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1920x1080 across each of three screens. Unless I am using eyefinity.
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With 1920x1080 these letters r clear. Maybe u need change monitor?
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It doesn't matter if we both ruminate (like cows ;D) those things since last month... i think i can hold 19,5x200 @ 1,475v @ 4 cores and 1,525v @ 5 cores... and as i said before to run at an accpetable low voltage i.e : 1,20v you will have to lower your frequency at 2,6-2,7ghz which is quite enough to run any softwares and games, why not trying this ?
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With 1920x1080 these letters r clear. Maybe u need change monitor?
Nothing wrong with the monitors (27" Iiyamas) just problem with tiny text and eyes ;)
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Maybe its in big distance far away from u? Can read the letters if u approach?
i think i can hold 19,5x200 @ 1,475v @ 4 cores and 1,525v @ 5 cores... and as i said before to run at an accpetable low voltage i.e : 1,20v you will have to lower your frequency at 2,6-2,7ghz which is quite enough to run any softwares and games, why not trying this ?
Yes I can do that. But I prefer this to be auto. 1,20 to 1,35 is not big difference. Its uncomfortable to enter bios all the time and change. I dont risk restart failure either. I think my system is green enough already :)
(like cows ;D)
You mean like camels.
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Maybe its in big distance far away from u? Can read the letters if u approach?
No, I tried that . It's no better!
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Your monitor is crt, lcd or led?
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No i prefer ruminating like cows (vaches in french) which are very popular and numerous in our country...camels only exist in deserts and zoos ;D
And when i've talked about lowering to 1,20v the voltage of your 960T through bios and lowering your cpu frequency at 2,6-2,7ghz i've wanted you to do it in once and forever (for good) without changing each time between load and idle as this frequency is powerful enough and the gain of lowering from 1,35v to 1,20v is very interesting and will allow you to reduce your electricity consumption... just try my recommended settings for good and you will see the power saving for one year !! ;)
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And when i've talked about lowering to 1,20v the voltage of your 960T through bios and lowering your cpu frequency at 2,6-2,7ghz i've wanted you to do it in once and forever (for good) without changing each time between load and idle as this frequency is powerful enough and the gain of lowering from 1,35v to 1,20v is very interesting and will allow you to reduce your electricity consumption... just try my recommended settings for good and you will see the power saving for one year !! ;)
Sounds like u r joking... :) I bought a cpu of 3.0 GHz, if I wanted a cpu of 2.6-2.7, I had bought that.
And u r talking about power saving but look your graphics card, do u know how much electricity spends? :P At least mine is green.
The power saving from 1.35 to 1,20V I guess its negligible, the heat is more important issue for me.
Question --> If I lower to 1.20V, will cool&quiet be able to auto increase 1.5V when necessary?
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I'm not joking at all agros !! lowering from 1,35v to 1,20v brings quite appreciable benefits ;) And 2,6-2,7ghz is a frequency which is totally enough for most of softwares/programs... And don't worry my much more modern and powerful graphics card than yours should spend the same quantity of power as in idle it automatically lowers from 820/1100 @ 1,15v to 300/300 @ 0,95v... it effectively consumes more power on full load...
And as i've already told you many-many times when you set manually the vcore in bios this set vcore is used for idle and normal mode and it is when performance core boost is enabled that this set vcore bumps to + 0,1v... for example on my rig the set vcore is 1,30v for idle and normal mode and when turbo core is activated the vcore automaticcaly bumps to 1,40v ;) :D
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As I said, if I wanted a 2.6GHz cpu I had bought it. My card has max power 75W and yours 127W... Also count 100W for your 3 disks :P
I do not use turbo boost, its useless to me.
These days I m looking for a good 2.1 speakers set, have u any idea?
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Do as you want agros because there's quite no difference between 2,6ghz and 3.0ghz in daily use... otherwise my graphics card is rather effective in power saving all the same in comparison of its performances... my 3 hard disks are green and only consume 28w each ;)
What are the exact settings that you have made for you cpu ? (vcore, frequency, ht link, cool and quiet or not...)
The best brands for 2.1 speakers are: altec lansing, creative, hercules, jbl and logitech you just have to see a few reviews about that ;)
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The difference between 3 and 2.6 GHz is 400MHz, but I guess u already know that :)
The more powerful card the more heat, so --> the more electric cost.
I had 40-45oC with my previous green card 4670 and now I have 45-50oC with 9800. With your 6850 I wouldnt be able to use it fanless.
About disks I made a mistake, 3 hd -->25x3=75W, not 100. My ssd -->0W ;D
Are you sure you have green disks? Then u receive not the best performance from them.
My exact cpu settings are the defaults without the turbo boost. Only when I need more power I raise to 3.5-3.9GHz with +0,5-1,2V.
Cool&Quiet of course on(auto).
Lately I see many speakers reviews, but havent found something good yet.
Usually I get advice from newegg.
Have u got a specific model for audiophiles to suggest me?
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Have you looked at the Ruark Vita range ? They are extremely competent and high quality speakers and I use them on my AV setup
http://www.stoneaudio.co.uk/?product=ruark+vita+120+system
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7.1? I want 2.1 :)
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400mhz for your use won't be noticeable: hack n' slash games, administrative works, multimedia, light audio & video encoding and internet surf... and lowering from 1,375v to 1,20v is really profitable...as your auto settings make that your 960T is at 1,375v by default...but as i said before do as you want ;D :D Anyway you wiil be early or late obliged to buy a more powerful video card for the actual games or the next generation because your poor green 9800gt isn't strong enough now... only for physics and 2D and light/old games (Doom3, HL2, far cry 1, Oblivion and wow...) My factory overclocked HD 6850 from HIS is a mid level video card which supports DX11 and can hold the last hit games with high power saving capacities... it consumes more power than yours but less than superiror nvidia and amd models...so my video card is a very good choice for those who want good performances and power saving... only one hard drive is green (the western one) i think i will buy in 1 year 1/2 a ssd for my os... concerning audio speakers i don't know i've told you the good brands but for the models you should read reviews... I have a creative 2.1 from 2005 (29w rms woofer + satellites) i think it is the inspire t3300... i'm satisfied about it but there is from time to time a big "bam" which comes from the woofer when powering on my pc and then nothing anymore...i think it is an electrical problem coming from it but not from my electrical installation... i will have to change it maybe in autumn and i will read reviews to have any idea...
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400mhz for your use won't be noticeable: hack n' slash games, administrative works, multimedia, light audio & video encoding and internet surf... and lowering from 1,375v to 1,20v is really profitable...as your auto settings make that your 960T is at 1,375v by default...
What do u mean '400mhz wont be noticeable'? The more MHz--> the better performance :)
My default vcore is not 1.375, its 1.350
Anyway you wiil be early or late obliged to buy a more powerful video card for the actual games or the next generation because your poor green 9800gt isn't strong enough now... only for physics and 2D and light/old games (Doom3, HL2, far cry 1, Oblivion and wow...)
You talk like I came yesterday in the pc world. Till last year I had a 4670 card and it was able to play almost all games. Now I have 9800 which is more powerfull.
But the problem is that there are no good games today. I m tired of checking garbage and garbage :(
Doom3, hl2 and Far Cry are 3D, not 2D...
My factory overclocked HD 6850 from HIS is a mid level video card which supports DX11 and can hold the last hit games with high power saving capacities... it consumes more power than yours but less than superiror nvidia and amd models...so my video card is a very good choice for those who want good performances and power saving... only one hard drive is green (the western one) i think i will buy in 1 year 1/2 a ssd for my os
Yes your card has Dx11 but has no PhysX as mine, hehehe :P
What saving capacities? Even in idle your card spends much energy. You can undestand it from the heat.
I thought u said that u have 3 green disks.
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It's clear that 400mhz are very good to take and offer better performance but i still repeat that they won't be noticeable for your classic use ;D I guess that you have a few knowledge in hardware and pc world but i think i have dived in for more years than you (since about march 2004 for my case).
I do know that the old games i've listed to you are 3D i'm not silly ;D i wanted to say that your gainward is sooner made now for 2D: microsoft word/bureautics, internet surf as its performances are limited and it is only good to run old but of course good games (the ones i've listed above).
And for your knowledge physics (property of nvidia) isn't worth anymore as dx11 brought by seven offers the same video effects and only less than 10 games support physics... my HIS consumes only a few power in comparison with gtx 560ti/570/580 hd 6870/6950/6970 and even though it consumes more power than yours the difference isn't as big as that and everybody would choose mine than yours in spite of that ;D
Yes only my western digital 750gb is green...and about the actual games there are all the same very good games like: fallout3, skyrim, crysis 1&2, battlefield and more...it's no use living in the past !!! I just would like a doom 4 !!
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My friend...
I dont need 3GHz, you say, for my classic use. And whats my classic use, do u know it? Classic use for you is when you dont play games? Usually I run many applications at the same time and of course I want speed.
So you r from 2004, I m from 2002 but this is not really important. When u say that soon or later I ll need another card, its like it was my first card... I have exactly the card I need. Strong enough for games and green enough to be fanless. Its a unique upgrade from 4670, there was not something better. I got it 15 months ago and it was brand new.
The games who use PhysX are not 10... The games who use Dx11 are 10 ;D Have u tried a game with/without PhsyX? Theres a great difference.
Of course everyone would choose your card than mine, but I m not everyone, I m special ;) Do u see my system? No fan at all. Does your system sound like a pneumatic drill? ;D
Dont repeat fallout, I told u no strategies, rpg, adventures. I ve checked already crysis and battlefield, single game is garbage. No one lives in the past, its just that companies today r unable to create good gameplay, only superb graphics to excuse the expensive cards. Thats not what we want. And dont be so sure that Doom4 will be same good as Doom3.
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Hi Agros,
The main thing is that everyone has their own interpretation as to how their system should work, which is a good thing, as we would all be using the same settings/software/hardware, real boring.
I mainly use mine for editing, photo/music/video.
The same with gaming ( I don't do games) each to their own, I have friends who play online.
As for power costs, I am lucky as I have a solar panel setup, 11 panels = 3.5 kwhs.
People are here to help one another, admittedly we can't please everyone, so try & be kind.
Ben.
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Hi Ben, I m as kind as my interlocutor is. Its unfair to blame only me.
What exactly is your problem? Maybe u didnt hear what u d like to hear in this thread? Or u havent ever read it?
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It's no point being angry Agros you've lost the party ;D 8)
I'm joking of course... Being fanless is very nice (i've already had about early 2008 two fanless Msi Geforce 8600 gts in sli mode for 1 year 1/2) they were quite powerful in sli mode but consumed more power than a mi-leved card and the fact that they were fanless i had to add 2 120mn fans... Whereas that my actual rig i've got no additional fans only the one of the graphic card, the cpu fan and the psu fan... My rig is very silent i hear the 3 hdd above all... Concerning physics effects are above all brought by vista & seven the user only shall use a dx10/11 graphics card to have the same effects... concerning video reading/encoding the last radeon series have a better render/video engine than the last nvidias... concerning the games hack n' slash games that you are playing are action/adventures all the same...
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My rig is very silent i hear the 3 hdd above all...
So u totally have 3 fans in your system? How many rpm and what temps? I guess 3 fan plus 3 disks are noisy enough.
I only have a slipstream 120'' in the back of the case(exhaust) in order to take out the hot air. Its just 500rpm and case has sound insulation, so I never hear it.
Do u know what PhysX is?...
Adventure games and action games r different kind of games.
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Yes i do have 3 fans in my system the ones i've told you...the speed of them vary according to the temp/charge (from 0 to 2200 for the cpu fan) i know what physx is don't worry but i repeat only a few games can benefit from it... yes there's a difference between action and adventures games you just have to try oblivion/skyrim and you will love them !! So i've reduced from 5 to 4 cores now and they run at 1,325v @ 14,5x245 for normal mode and 15,5x245 @ 1,425v for performance boost mode ;D ::)
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I guess that the speed of psu is stable, but if its adjustable u never have 0 rpm.
Is your cpu fan able to have 0 rpm? are you sure? How do u do that?
As I said the games with PhysX are many, the games with Dx11 are only a few. Check a game with/without PhysX, the difference is important.
I ve tried some adventures/rpg/strategies, never found them attractive so I permanently exclused them from the menu :)
I wonder why do u have 2 more disks to roll all the time. I have more disks for my files in another system, which mostly works as 'downloading device' and is greener(Sempron 140 40W, Ati 5450 19W). Do u have seperate system for your downloadings too, or you use the same pc?
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Hi man,
No the fan of my legendary tpnew 650w is adjustable but cannot hit "0" i guess the mini should be 200 rpm till 2000-2500 rpm for the max... however the 92 mm fan of my OCZ Gladiator cpu cooler can hit "0" during the 1st 20-30s after booting up my system...concerning my 3 hdd i would like to change them for one 2to (seagate or western d) plus one ssd for the system but for the moment it won't be my priority....I only have this pc which serves me to play, download, stock movies/mp3s/pics and work a little bit and encode mpg2 dvd movies to divx...Concerning games Skyrim is the dx11 game of the year you should try it or begin with Oblivion (dx9) it would be amazing that you shouldn't like those 2 games !!
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however the 92 mm fan of my OCZ Gladiator cpu cooler can hit "0" during the 1st 20-30s after booting up my system...
It would be better to hit 0 rpm during the day, when u r idle, for examble when u post here.
I only have this pc which serves me to play, download, stock movies/mp3s/pics and work a little bit and encode mpg2 dvd movies to divx...
You said... "only"? ;D
Why dont u use another system for downloading/stock? You can also connect this system to your lcd/plasma TV in order to watch movies, as I do.
Minimum cost, great benefits ;)
Concerning games Skyrim is the dx11 game of the year you should try it or begin with Oblivion (dx9) it would be amazing that you shouldn't like those 2 games !!
I checked Oblivion a couple of years ago.
I ve promised myself never look again adv/strat/rpg :)
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Yes i said "only" as i think it is a classic use of my pc...i don't want external hard disk to stock my files as all is external can be lost whereas my Antec case which contains my hdd's won't be losable ;D 8) :D
I realize i've mistaken my pc has booted up for 13mn and my Gladiator is still hitting "0" it shows that my 960t in spite of its 1,35v (turbo core disabled cool and quiet on and o/c at: 15x240 @ 4 cores) doesn't load many watts ;)
Concerning games what titles do you like ?
Here is the link of the "0" of my cpu fan after 13mn http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/651/gladiator1j.jpg/
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Its hard to see that image because of an advertisement in the middle. But point is fan be able to make 0 rpm again during the day. Is there any program which can do that? I was looking about this, before I give a better solution---> fanless heatsink :)
Do u have wireless connection?
The games I like r fps, action, driving, sport.
I didnt speak about external disks. I gave u an easy smart solution--> Use your main pc with ssd and the rest of powerful hardware. Make another pc with cheap, green material. Keep there your files. Connect it to a TV via hdmi cable. Work this system 24h. Use Remote Desktop Connection to enter. U wont need keyboard,mouse,speakers,floppy,dvd,fans,monitor.
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Thanks for your advises my dear....the soft i'm using is hwmonitor 118 free edition... i have wireless connection (hercules usb key)...concerning your driving games did you try the dirt series ?
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Yes I played and finished Dirt1&2. Dirt3 was worse so I soon abandoned it.
Can this hwmonitor 118 free edition stop cpu fan when temp is low?
Why do u use wireless connection for your main desktop pc?
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I've never tested dirt 3 yet but it seems to be good and it has a good multi option (split screen when playing at 2 ;D).
Hwmonitor 118 free can only display informations (fan speed, cpu/graphics/hdd temps) but cannot monitore fan speed...
I use wireless connection (mouse/keyboard) and wifi as my orange box is plcad at 8 meters from my desktop and is connected to my tv demodulator which is placed in my "salon" (living room) ;D :D
The 2nd pc (girlfriend one is just next to mine in the same room) --> centurion 534 silver/antec truepower trio 430/ c2d e7500 @11x340/abit ip35/xfx hd 5770/2x2gb hyperX pc2-8500 8)
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Is it possible to play split screen with a friend(at the same table) in dirt3? I think not.
I thought that u said Hwmonitor starts your cpc fan with 0 rpm.
When I speak for wireless connection I dont mean your mouse/keyboard/tv/2nd pc... I m talking for your desktop pc. Its better to use wired connection for this pc.
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yes it is plenty possible to play at this game (tried on a friend's pc) in split mode ;D As i told you hwmonitor only displays and doesn't monitore anything...it displays my "0" rpm during the 1st 3mn after booting up as my ma790 monitores my ocz gladiator cpu fan very well because of my 960t which doesn't warm at all @ 1,325v @ 5 cores... and i hate wired connection as my wireless internet connection is very quick !!
i wonder if i should go to 8gb memory it is worth or not, could you try to make the tests between 4gb and 8gb and tell me if the difference is big ? thanks !!
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I thought that hwmonitor was responsible for the zero rpm in the first minutes, but its your g/b mobo. Of course, this happens with my g/b too:) (the case 500rpm fan I ve told u earlier). Also note that Gigabyte mobos r able to control a fan, even if its 3-pin.
I d like to tell me for sure if in Dirt3 I can play split (at the same time, at the same table) with a friend. If yes, then I ll install it again.
Wired connection VS wireless connection --> 1-0 :) You have no reason to use wireless connection for your main desktop pc.
DDR3 modules are too cheap in our days, so u can easily go to 8GB. Which test do u want me to do?
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Yes just read the test on "jeuxvideo.com" type dirt 3 and read it it will explain to you that the split mode is on this third version of dirt...you can effectively play with the same pc and screen at two guys !!
I would like to know if there's a difference between 4gb and 8gb in a normal day to day use of your pc...can you tell me if you notice some changes ?
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But if u corfim it yourtself (about dirt3 split mode) theres no reason to read jeuxvideo.com
Its not easy to tell u specific changes from 4 to 8GB. I guess its not easy to everybody :)
We all add more and more ram in order to run a faster system... at least thats what they tell us.
One year ago I had DDR2 4GB, now its DDR3 8GB. But then it was Win XP and 3-core cpu :)
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Well, I re-installed Dirt 3. I go to the multiplay option and choose split screen. But then wants for 2nd player to press start. Which is this button? I go to control options but I see no 2nd player buttons configuration ???
Can u help today? :)
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I only played once at this game a few months ago... to configure the 2nd player a second gamepad must be connected to the same pc and then the user only has to follow the directives... it should be simple for a performer as you !! ;D
I will perhaps buy it when it will be less expensive :D ;)
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What gamepad? Me and my friend will play with the (same)keyboard. Player one's keys are the cursor keys. Which are are player's two keys?
???
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Playing dirt series without any gamepad but only with keyboard keys ?? ??? :o
This way of playing was good from 1997 to 2003 !!! We are in 2012 and playing with the microsoft xbox gamepad for pc edition is a must !! Above all with arcade rally games which are totally compatible with it !!
Playing with mouse & keyboard is only good for fps/hack n' slash and adventures/rpg games...
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My friend, we have the best car control with keyboard. I have tried with steering in the past but control was not good.
Just tell me, is it possible for the 2nd player to use keys? If not then I ll unistal it.
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I see that your pc behaviour/attitude is meant to be "ancient" ;D :D split mode regards 2 players playing each with gamepads or 1 with a gamepad and the 2nd with the keyboard... let's enjoy it ;)
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What do you mean "ancient attitude"?
I didnt get your last post, but as I told u I prefer to play driving games with keys only.
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I wanted to say that you have an old school way of playing.... so, have you tested it ?
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There is no old or new way of playing. There is the way that suits to you ;)
I have the best control with keys. So why should I use gamepad?
Test what? Since I cant play Dirt3 with keys for two players, I unistalled it.
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Well spoken Agros: there's only the way of playing that suits to you :D Logically you could play with your friend on the same screen: you with keyboard and him with a gamepad !
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Yes I know that, point was if its possiple keyboard for both players(like what happens in ColinMacRaeRally).
Well, there are many weeks passed, is there any updated news about 960T's auto undervolting? :)
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About dirt 3 why not trying it with your friend, it's worth it :D And about auto undervolting there's no point with core thuban !! CNQ allows lowering frequency but not lowering the vcore... ask some friends having 1090t/1100t on am2+ or am3 plateform if there are also concerned...my friends only have early phenom II or Intel plateform so i can't require about it...
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As I said, the only way to play with my friend Dirt3 split is via keyboard.
So, theres no hope with 960T? :(
Seems this is the bad side of having a x4 cpu at 95W.
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Ah ok understood about dirt 3 and 2 players with keyboard... about 960t did you ask some friends having thuban core (1055t, 45t...) in order to know whether it auto undervolts with them ?
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I have not any friends with 1055 or so cpus, but I guess there are plenty of them here, in this forum.
But its better to talk for 960T only. If there's someone who can auto undervolt this cpu.
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AH what a pity !!! me too... i don't have any friends having thuban core so i cannot require myself about undervolting.... so Agros just ask this question to the forum members here or make a new topic... we have to know the end of this story !! ;D
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so Agros just ask this question to the forum members here
;D and what do u think I m doing in this thread?
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So, well ;D let's make them reply....--> use your strength of persuasion ;)
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Hey Agros, it seems as if you have come full circle, this has got to be a first on this forum surely.
Also changing topic midstream, & then back to the original topic.
Any way as DarkstaR says, re, re post it, but maybe ask it differently.
Something like, " undervolting (auto) my, 960T CPU".
Followed by; "does anyone out there have or know of someone, or a forum that might have the answer to my question on undervolting (auto) a 960T CPU?.
Just a suggestion.
Ben.
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Simply well spoken Ben !! :D ;)
About myself my 960t is nearly sold and my 1055t is already ordered through a french e-seller... indeed i want now a genuine x6 before there aren't in stock anymore...in France there is literally a shortage of Phenom II X6 whatever the models... 1090t, 1100t and 1075t are out of stock everywhere and only 1045t and 1055t are foundable as long as there are still :o
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So a little word to say that my 960T has been sold and that the buyer is very satisfied... i'm satisfied too as regards my brand new 1055T 95w edition... i've gently overclocked it: 14x250 @ 1,375v turbocore off and cool and quiet on auto... All is wonderful and this famous cpu at least drops automatically its voltage in comparison of my last 960T : from 1,375v to 1,13v --> what a big happiness !! ;D :D
http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/1055t-idle-dom,1bc9f323e7153272e1208a72ad2c09b5.jpg.html
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Glad to hear that it all went well for you DarkstaR in your sale and now new system. It's always nice to have some new toy to play with. ;)
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Thanks for supporting me Dark Mantis i'm indeed very satisfied with my x6 1055T... Long life to AMD and Gigabyte !! :D ;)
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Let me remind u boys that this thread is about 960T...
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So a little word to say that my 960T has been sold and that the buyer is very satisfied... i'm satisfied too as regards my brand new 1055T 95w edition... i've gently overclocked it: 14x250 @ 1,375v turbocore off and cool and quiet on auto... All is wonderful and this famous cpu at least drops automatically its voltage in comparison of my last 960T : from 1,375v to 1,13v --> what a big happiness !! ;D :D
I wish I could get a 1055 in 95W too, but its not available in my country.
What's more energy eater, a cpu of 125W at 1.1V or a cpu of 95W at 1.3V ?
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Yes what a pity that this product isn't available in Greece... why not buying it through a french e-seller ? Just require yourself about the ship cost... As regards the power consumption of what you said i don't know... i would say that both are equal..ask directly to Dark Mantis if he should know...
Otherwise in the case you would really buy it just pay attention as my version (95W) contains these 2 capital letters: HDT55TWF whereas the standard version (125W) contains those 2 letters which allows to distinguish it: HDT55TFB ;)
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Buy from outside? And what about the guarranty?... How shall I change it if its/will be broken?
Is 1055 easy to o/c as 960T can? wei score? temp?
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Hi,
first of all I wanna thanks to Krisbee for an excelent guide how to "normalize" power managenemt of this CPU. It seems AMD just sux hard with their CnQ. With Krisbee's posts and K10stat utility I was able to cut down voltages as follows....
P0 - 3400 Mhz 1,225V (1,45V default)
P1 - 3000 Mhz 1,125V (1,3V default)
P3 - 1600 Mhz 0,97V (1,3V default)
P4 - 800 Mhz 0,784V! (1,3V default)
CPU NB voltage at all states stable at 2000Mhz, 1,0V
BTW I was able to unlock it to 6x, but till I will really need its power I locked it back to 4 cores.
With default voltage settings my Katana 3 was barely able to cool CPU under 40°C in idle state (1800 rpm, cca 2/3 of max)
With lowered voltages I never crossed 40°C at 1200 rpm after 1/2 hour prime testing... just awesome
Idle CPU temps are under 27°C with just 600 rpm B-)
my rig:
ma-ga770-ud3 rev 2
Phenom 960t at 3 Ghz (3,4 turbo), Katana 3 cooler
kingstone hyperX overclocked 1066 Mhz (1,9V)
ati 3650 passive
some Hdds, etc...
CnQ enabled, TurboC enabled, DDR2 set manual 1,9V, all other settings are at AUTO
just 1 note more, any other voltage settings in BIOS than AUTO (exept DDR2) resulted after win boot+ K10stat to BSOD....
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Hi,
first of all I wanna thanks to Krisbee for an excelent guide how to "normalize" power managenemt of this CPU. It seems AMD just sux hard with their CnQ. With Krisbee's posts and K10stat utility I was able to cut down voltages as follows....
P0 - 3400 Mhz 1,225V (1,45V default)
P1 - 3000 Mhz 1,125V (1,3V default)
P3 - 1600 Mhz 0,97V (1,3V default)
P4 - 800 Mhz 0,784V! (1,3V default)
Is this scale auto?... I mean, will your cpu auto drop to 800MHz/0.7V when idle?
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yep, its auto, auto-idling at 800 Mhz/0,7V, no other customising is necesary, just set P- states in K10stat, thats all
BTW just read this arcitcle http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/processor-power-management,2453-6.html
they cut down phenom 945 idle voltage at 0,6V ! will try it on 960T this evening
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Buy from outside? And what about the guarranty?... How shall I change it if its/will be broken?
Is 1055 easy to o/c as 960T can? wei score? temp?
Locked cpus are often more difficult to overclock because the user has to raise the htt only in comparison with the unlocked models (black edition) which can be o/ced with multi and htt of course...mine is now gently overclocked at 14x250 @ 1,375v turbo core off and cnq on... but my big satisfaction is that my brand new 1055T auto drops its voltage in idle mode at 1,13v (less good than deneb core such as 955 or 965 c3 which can lower to 0,85v).
Follow the very good advise from japuaa with his k10stat software and try it ;)
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yep, its auto, auto-idling at 800 Mhz/0,7V, no other customising is necesary, just set P- states in K10stat, thats all
So u start this cpu with its default values(3.0GHz - 1.35V) and then goes auto-idling to 800MHz/0.78V?
And if u put on a heavy application, it will go to 3.0GHz - 1.50V?
If yes, I ll give it a try too...
Locked cpus are often more difficult to overclock because the user has to raise the htt only in comparison with the unlocked models (black edition) which can be o/ced with multi and htt of course...mine is now gently overclocked at 14x250 @ 1,375v turbo core off and cnq on... but my big satisfaction is that my brand new 1055T auto drops its voltage in idle mode at 1,13v (less good than deneb core such as 955 or 965 c3 which can lower to 0,85v).
Follow the very good advise from japuaa with his k10stat software and try it ;)
Come on... we talk for this specific cpu. You had 960T, so u already know how easily is to o/c it. You can get 4.0Ghz with a small core raise and nothing else.
960T is also black edition.
So u drop to 1.13 but out friend japuaa claims he drops to 0.78 :)
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Its just like u wrote ;-)
1) u HAVE TO set all voltage settings in Bios to auto/normal (exept RAM voltages)
2) CnQ auto, TBC auto.....
3) find out the lowest voltage settings in K10stat for each state
as CnQ lowers/raises clocks u can observe voltage reduces/raises too - as u set 'em in K10stat
u can test voltages in K10stat without need of clearing CMOS, becasuse K10stat stats are not saved in BIOS, so when ur rig goes BSOD u can just restart and custumize voltage again
there is 1 EXEPTION - when I lower P0 state (3400Mhz) below 1,225V, my rig wont even restart, I have to clear CMOS all the times I tried lower P0 voltage as specified higher
yesterday I managed to obtain these stable results
CPU CPUNB
P0 - 1,225V 1,05V
P1 - 1,125V 1,025V
P2 - 1,025V 1V
P3 - 0,86V 0,975V
P4 - 0,68V 0,95V
tested only few times in Sisoft Sandra CPU power management benchmark which IMHO tests all P-states at all possible combinations...
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any news Argos?
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Ok, I downloaded the K10Stat091 setup(118kb), I unzipped it and I run the K10STAT.exe and I get this window
(http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/5555/57923679.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/856/57923679.png/)
Now what exactly should I do in order to have auto undervolting below 1V?
My voltage settings are auto. C&q is auto(on). What is tbc?
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choose P-state bookmark
u will see 5 P-states
set voltages as I posted above, but on firts try u should increase my voltages by 0,125 for sure, for example like this:
P0 - 3,4 Ghz CPU 1,27V CPUNB 1,05V
P1 - 3 Ghz CPU 1,15V CPUNB 1,025V
P2 - 2,3 Ghz CPU 1,025V CPUNB 1V
P3 - 1,6Ghz CPU 0,88V CPUNB 0,975V
P4 - 0,8 Ghz CPU 0,7V CPUNB 0,975V
BUT first of all be ready for, BSODs, maybe u will have to clear CMOS, etc....
IF this config will be stable (after few benchmarks, prime95, AOD stability test etc...), try lovering voltages by 0,125V - 1 BY 1, not all together! and test them again.. and again... and again.. :)
find out the lowest voltages for all speeds, they could differ from my config (different chip, different cooling etc), and be sure to run K10stas at startup after all....
My border voltages are:
P0 - 1,225
P1 - 1,125
P2 - 1
P3 - 0,86
P4 - 0,68
In windows I can go even lower, by 0,25V, I also ran few benchmarks at these settings, they are stable in Windows, BUT computer wont restart at all! So Iam using voltages as I posted above, stable, no problems.
TBC= turbocore technology,in K10stat it has P0 state
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choose P-state bookmark
u will see 5 P-states
In the P-state tab, there are 4 states, not 5. What do you mean 'bookmark'? There are also 5 profiles to choose in the profile box.
BUT first of all be ready for, BSODs, maybe u will have to clear CMOS, etc
Before the BSODs and the effort to catch the limits, we should first check if this works. Just a simple safe adjustment to see voltage goes below 1.35...
Anyway, I set it as u said
P0 - 3,4 Ghz CPU 1,27V CPUNB 1,05V
P1 - 3 Ghz CPU 1,15V CPUNB 1,025V
P2 - 2,3 Ghz CPU 1,025V CPUNB 1V
P3 - 1,6Ghz CPU 0,88V CPUNB 0,975V
and I press apply, then ok. A sudden restart took place. After restart I re-open K10stat but I didnt see the settings I had made.
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bookmark is a wrong word.. I should said P-stat tab.... sorry
U see only 4 P-states? thats wierd, Ive got 5...
p0-3,4Ghz
p1-3Ghz
p2-2,3Ghz
p3-1,6Ghz
p4- 0,8Ghz
dunno whats wrong, maybe... do u have the latest version of K10stat? 1.54? do u have TBC enabled in bios? I have Win XP, u have Win7, maybe theres problem... realy dunno, Iam afarid u have to use "experiment-failure" aproach.... try default voltages and lower them just slightly by lets say 0,0125 and try to find out whats the lowest stable voltage for ur CPU...
and reseting settings in K10stat after crash, Bsod, etc is good for u, because in case that wrong setting remained, ur computer wont start/restart and then u have to clear CMOS after each failure
here is some guide for K10stat, maybe it will help u
http://unfusedjournal.blogspot.com/2011/02/k10stat-tutorial.html
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Ok, I read carefully that link. First 2 pages talk about description of this application and the rest is how to launch with windows, how to command line etc.
But in fact, I cant understand how this thing works :D ???
I followed your instuctions and put on
P0 - 3,4 Ghz CPU 1,27V CPUNB 1,05V
P1 - 3 Ghz CPU 1,15V CPUNB 1,025V
P2 - 2,3 Ghz CPU 1,025V CPUNB 1V
P3 - 1,6Ghz CPU 0,88V CPUNB 0,975V
There was indeed an auto voltage lowering but in a couple of minutes my screen became unclickable. The second time I had a BSOD after one minute...
Are there any minimum safe settings?
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Ok, I read carefully that link. First 2 pages talk about description of this application and the rest is how to launch with windows, how to command line etc.
But in fact, I cant understand how this thing works :D ???
I followed your instuctions and put on
P0 - 3,4 Ghz CPU 1,27V CPUNB 1,05V
P1 - 3 Ghz CPU 1,15V CPUNB 1,025V
P2 - 2,3 Ghz CPU 1,025V CPUNB 1V
P3 - 1,6Ghz CPU 0,88V CPUNB 0,975V
There was indeed an auto voltage lowering but in a couple of minutes my screen became unclickable. The second time I had a BSOD after one minute...
Are there any minimum safe settings?
Still.... its wierd u have only 4 P-states....
Voltages I posted, are border for my CPU chip, maybe Ive got better sample then u have and ur CPU cannot handle such low voltages...
Ok lets try:
3,4Ghz - 1,3V
3Ghz - 1,2V
2,3Ghz - 1,1V
1,6Ghz - 1V
and do not mess with CPU(NB) voltage, leave it on default (1,15V) or just sligtly undervoltaged (1,1V etc.)
These must be stable (in case u have locked 5. and 6. core), and if these setting will be stable, try to lower volatges till the first sings of instability occurs...
Could u make a screenshot of ur K10stat "P-state" tab and "Info" tab? When ur computer is idling, what P state shows K10stat info tab? 1,6Ghz or 800 Mhz? Because Iam afraid ur lowest P-state (800Mhz) will bee still set on default voltage (1,3V) = no power savings in idle state....
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Maybe I have 4 states because I have 4 cores.
I tried what u suggest
3,4Ghz - 1,3V
3Ghz - 1,2V
2,3Ghz - 1,1V
1,6Ghz - 1V
and no bsod but the difference was infinitesimal. I checked it for some minutes and I had 1.344V at the 99% of the time.
How much of the time do u have 0,8V when your pc does nothing?...
And here is the screenshot of p-state tab(screenshot of the info tab already exists in previous page of this thread). Do u see something?
(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2942/no1a.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/138/no1a.png/)
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when idling I have 99% of time 0.7V at 800 Mhz
ur K10stat window should look like this...
http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/7430919/img/7430919.gif
or
http://blogimg.goo.ne.jp/user_image/4e/a3/5dce171804b37cf3983b9de5613a0a73.jpg
if u have CnQ enabled in Bios and instaled CNQ drivers in Windos,CnQ automaticaly raises/lowers clocks of ur CPU from 800Mhz to 3,4Ghz,
BUT
I think ur problem is that u do not have set voltage for ur lowest P-state = 800Mhz (because u dont have it in k10stat window).... so as u set voltages for all P-atates exept the lowest ONE (800Mhz) ur CPU at 800Mhz is still using default voltage = 1,3V...
Really I dont know why u have only 4 P-states, every1 with 960T (exept u) have 5 P-states, so I ask again: Do u have the LATEST version of K10stat utility?
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Well...
I used version 0.91 and that was not the latest one.
I found a newer version, 154 from August 2011, found here--> http://sites.google.com/site/k10stat/.
As u see in the image
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/515/58818427.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/59/58818427.png/)
Theres a small difference with the image u gave(http://blogimg.goo.ne.jp/user_image/4e/a3/5dce171804b37cf3983b9de5613a0a73.jpg), as u see the bar of 'autos' in your image is in upper position and so is the 'boost'.
I unticked the 'boost' box, too. The 'NumCore' is 0-3, is this strange?
Also note that, in both images, first line is B0, then it is PO, P1 etc.
I gave your first numbers
P0 - 3,4 Ghz CPU 1,27V CPUNB 1,05V
P1 - 3 Ghz CPU 1,15V CPUNB 1,025V
P2 - 2,3 Ghz CPU 1,025V CPUNB 1V
P3 - 1,6Ghz CPU 0,88V CPUNB 0,975V
P4 - 0,8 Ghz CPU 0,7V CPUNB 0,975V
and after a couple of seconds a bsod came. Then I gave your seconds numbers
3,4Ghz - 1,3V - 1,15
3Ghz - 1,2V - 1,15
2,3Ghz - 1,1V - 1,15
1,6Ghz - 1V - 1,15
0,8Ghz - 0,9V - 1,15
and yes!... Works. I m all the time at 0.9V ;D
Now a question. Why do I put at 3,4-->1.3V and at 3,0-->1.2V, since the maximums are 3,4-->1.47 and 3,0-->1.35 ? Maybe this means that I wont be able to get the highest volts when/if it will be necessary? I mean, my numbers will be from 0.90V to 1.30V only?
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dont have much time, just in short
960T is drastically overvoltaged from factory....
lower voltages on stock clocks= lower power consumtion on stock clocks
u dont need to burn CPU in idle (800Mhz) at 1,3V... because it will work only only at 0,9V (even lower when u pimp it)
according to some articles mentioned above, u can lower power consumtion by lets say 30W in load and 10W in idle.... besides power consumtion, ur CPU temp will be lower and ur CPU service life would be longer....
yep ur numbers after K10starts will be only from 0,9 to 1,3V - that why we did all of this :)
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But then we undervolting our cpu. This is NOT what we want. Our cpu should be able to get 1.35 (or 1.47 when turbo boost), not only 1.30...
What do u mean "960T is drastically overvoltaged from factory"? All cpu s have some factory defaults.
I asked u "So u start this cpu with its default values(3.0GHz - 1.35V) and then goes auto-idling to 800MHz/0.78V? And if u put on a heavy application, it will go to 3.0GHz - 1.50V? and u answered me "Its just like u wrote", remember? ::)
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its question of preferences.... I want to have maximum power efficiency and lowest temeratures, so I undervolted my CPU as low as possible (but still with default clocks 800-3400Mhz), against factory default voltage I lowered power consumtion by 30-40watts in load and even more if idling (because power consumtion is significantly higher if u run CPU 800Mhz at 1,3V against 800Mhz at 0,7V)
If u wanna oveclock ur CPU u just can, just set the highest P-state on max (1,45V) and oveclock it (I saw 4Ghz at 1,45V with 960T)... and u can boil eggs on ur CPU..... its ur choice, but not mine ;-)
BTW ur from Greece, how does ur fanless cooling manages hot summer days?
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Seems u do not understand me :-\
We dont talk about o/c.
In my previous post I mentioned to you the higher limit, not the lower. If cpu can only go up to 1.30V and not up to 1.35 or 1.47V then this is no good. We want a scale between 0.80V - 1.35V (or 1.47 if turbo boost), is this possible or not?
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yep it is possible... u can scale voltages as u like (0,8V-1,45), or even lower or higher - the only limit is stability ....but, I dont know why u should when ur CPU runs good at lower voltages ???
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Because we can't get 3GHz with 0.8V...
Its really simple but seems u can't understand it--> The point is to get the maximum capacity of our cpu WHEN is necessary. Not all the time. Most of the time will be 0.8V, yes. But when I need all the power I must have it, 1.35V (or 1.47 if turbo boost).
So, how should I set K10stat in order to have the right scale (0.80-1.35/1.47) ?
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ohhh man....
dont u see it i K10stat? it works as u said... or... it should work as u said....
thats THE point, why we did this... to save enegry at 800Mhz/0,8V and to have a stable rig in game at at 3Ghz/1,3V
thats why we set different voltages in alll P-states...
maybe, dont u have some other power saving or oc`ing program instaled? there could be some conflicts between these and K10stat....
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Seems you forget all the time what we discuss about, plz try to be concentrated. You gave me values for 0.90-1.30V. Thats not what we want for the highest limit. Can u give me values for 0.90-1.35/1.47?
Conflicts and o/c is another story, dont mix them.
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nope, i did not forget...
every single CPU has its own limits, so u have to figure out ur CPU limits (lowest/highest clocks/voltages) at ur own... cant help u with that
everything I can gave u is lowest clock/voltages for my CPU, but as u said before these are unstable for ur CPU...
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The highest limit is specific---> 1.35/1.47
We dont worry about that. So u must not aim for 1.30 only.
The lowest limit is our point.
What exactly I said its unstable? I m afraid u forget again.
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Iam concentrated enought :-* seems our understanding of each other english language is the major problem
u mean the highest voltage limit for CPU? AMD says its around 1,5V...
u wrote:
"....(I tried )your first numbers
P0 - 3,4 Ghz CPU 1,27V CPUNB 1,05V
P1 - 3 Ghz CPU 1,15V CPUNB 1,025V
P2 - 2,3 Ghz CPU 1,025V CPUNB 1V
P3 - 1,6Ghz CPU 0,88V CPUNB 0,975V
P4 - 0,8 Ghz CPU 0,7V CPUNB 0,975V
and after a couple of seconds a bsod came...."
so.... these are unstable, so u tried second values and....
"3,4Ghz - 1,3V - 1,15
3Ghz - 1,2V - 1,15
2,3Ghz - 1,1V - 1,15
1,6Ghz - 1V - 1,15
0,8Ghz - 0,9V - 1,15
and yes!... Works. I m all the time at 0.9V Grin"
from here it seems all of ur questions were aswered before... I cannot give u the best/highest/lowest/most stable clocks setting for ur CPU at 1,3V for obvious reasons... u HAVE TO figure em out on ur own....
please be specific, what EXACTLY do u want?
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Although I explained u several times the point, for some reason seems u cannot get it.
Ok I ll tell it once more and I hope it will be the last.
U dont have to give the highest limit. This is specific. Standard. Defacto. It is 1.35V (1.47 if turbo boost). So we do not discuss about it. We must not discuss about it. It is out of the negotiation. Because if we dont have 1.35(1.47 if turbo boost) then we r undervolting our cpu and this is not what we want. We want get the full power when need.
Yes u gave me
3,4Ghz - 1,3V - 1,15
3Ghz - 1,2V - 1,15
2,3Ghz - 1,1V - 1,15
1,6Ghz - 1V - 1,15
0,8Ghz - 0,9V - 1,15
and works, I have 0.9V most of the time. But the scale is only 0.90-1.30, right? How can I have 0.90-1.35/1.47 ?
BTW ur from Greece, how does ur fanless cooling manages hot summer days?
Yes, lately summer came and I added another slipsteam 120'' fan 700rpm on Scythe Mugen II(theres also one in the exhaust position at 500rpm).
I guess I ll disable it when I ll start my room's air-condition :)
Its good that Gigabyte's mobos r able to control the rpm s, so they start fans in slow rythm.
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How can I have 0.90-1.35/1.47 ?
Easily... just set it in K10stat... but u dont have to, because, I am afraid u r misunderstanding... u have full power even at 1,3V, voltage does not affect CPUs raw compute power
CPU at 1,3V/3,4Ghz has the same compute power as CPU at 1,45V/3,4Ghz (or 1,2V/3,4Ghz etc. etc.) = voltage affects power efficiency, not compute power -> u do not need to raise voltage for stock clocks, and if u do, u only raise ur CPUs temperatures and power consumtion NOT the performace in games/aplications ;-) did u get it?
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I feel like I ll shoot myself with your posts...(http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/2616/plaf0ja.gif) (http://imageshack.us)
I m not talking about raise voltage for stock clocks. I m talking about stock voltage for stock clocks.
3Ghz need 1.35V in 960T. You cannot have 3 Ghz with just 1.2V, I m sure you already know this.
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3Ghz need 1.35V in 960T. You cannot have 3 Ghz with just 1.2V, I m sure you already know this.
Nope I dont know.... I have been running my 960T already for 4 weeks at 3,4Ghz/1,225V - 3Ghz/1,125V - 0,8Ghz/0,725V. No problem at all 8) -> Stock voltage settings sux hard -> Forget `em! ;)
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If your cpu works up to only 1.22V then u dont use all of its power. Tell me your full scale. From xxx to yyy. Minimum must be as low as posibble. But maximum should be the default maximum. If your default maximum(which u ll get ONLY when need) is 1.35V then why u would reduce it???
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If your cpu works up to only 1.22V then u dont use all of its power. Tell me your full scale. From xxx to yyy. Minimum must be as low as posibble. But maximum should be the default maximum. If your default maximum(which u ll get ONLY when need) is 1.35V then why u would reduce it???
... u have full power even at 1,3V, voltage does not affect CPUs raw compute power
CPU at 1,3V/3,4Ghz has the same compute power as CPU at 1,45V/3,4Ghz (or 1,2V/3,4Ghz etc. etc.) = voltage affects power efficiency, not compute power -> u do not need to raise voltage for stock clocks, and if u do, u only raise ur CPUs temperatures and power consumtion NOT the performace in games/aplications ;-) did u get it?
my stable pstates (in use 2-4 hours/day)
b0 3,4Ghz/1,225V
p0 3Ghz/1,125V
p1 2,3Ghz/1,025V
p2 1,6Ghz/0,875V (or 0,9V dont remember exactly)
p3 0,8Ghz/0,725V
CPU temp max 42°C (22°C ambient room temp, scythe Katana III cooler - 65W TDP CPU recomended) after 1 hour prime95 test...
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As I said, I dont talk about raise voltage for stock clocks. Stock voltage for stock clock.
You use your pc only 2-4 hours per day? U r a green user ;D
So, if I understand u well, u run your cpu from 0.72V to 1.22V real time?
No o/c, no c&q, turbo core on?
But when u run a game or something powerful like that, then u disable K10stat and u have 1.47V, right?
This sounds bad. Seems K10stat is not so auto.
So u claim that u can run default 960T's frequency(3.0GHz) at only 1.12V instead of 1.35... stable.
I tried once to reduce from 1.35V to 1.27V from bios, and a BSOD came.
Can u set 1.12V for 3GHz though bios, or you can only set it through K10stat?
Is your room temp only 22oC? Its summer here and I have 25oC with my air-condition on :)
What do u mean 65W TDP? who?
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oh maaaaan, THIS is debilitating, every single question of yours has been answered before, I cannot figure out if u r such a noob, or cannot read, or just stupid... no offence ;)
So, if I understand u well, u run your cpu from 0.72V to 1.22V real time?
No o/c, no c&q, turbo core on?
yep 0,725-1,225V realtime
no o/c, cnq on, turbo on, C1E on, no cores unlocked, all voltage settings in BIOS auto/default
But when u run a game or something powerful like that, then u disable K10stat and u have 1.47V, right?
This sounds bad. Seems K10stat is not so auto.
no, K10stat is always running -> 0,725-1,225V in game, when idling, constantly, stable and ready till the end of time itself :)
So u claim that u can run default 960T's frequency(3.0GHz) at only 1.12V instead of 1.35... stable.
I tried once to reduce from 1.35V to 1.27V from bios, and a BSOD came.
Can u set 1.12V for 3GHz though bios, or you can only set it through K10stat?
yes I claim it
as I already said before, voltage setting below 1,225V in BIOS (even in K10stat 1.225V/3.4Ghz ) is unstable for me, I leave all voltage settings in BIOS auto/default -> all voltage changes are set in K10stat
(and again as I already said many times before, your CPU`s lowest stable voltages is different from my CPU`s lowest stable voltage, for obvious reasons)
CPU voltage settings in BIOS is only for "B0" Pstate, so u cannot set other Pstates voltage in BIOS...
if u still dont understand it, pls read very carefully again and again and again first Krisbee`s posts in this discusion...
Is your room temp only 22oC? Its summer here and I have 25oC with my air-condition on :)
What do u mean 65W TDP? who?
we have loooong winters here ;) 600 meters above sea level...
my CPU cooler Scythe Katana III is recomended for CPUs with max 65W TDP... so I wanna proof u that this coooler can easily handle undervolted 95W TDP phenom II 960T...
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oh maaaaan, THIS is debilitating, every single question of yours has been answered before, I cannot figure out if u r such a noob, or cannot read, or just stupid... no offence
I m sorry but u r not concentrate, u dont answer my questions so u force me repeat myself all the time. Plus that I m afraid u r the noob. No offence, too...
Just yesterday I repeated to u that i m not talking about raise voltage for stock clock, but u still write to me that "u do not need to raise voltage for stock clocks"... Who is the stupid then?
no, K10stat is always running -> 0,725-1,225V in game, when idling, constantly, stable and ready till the end of time itself
The advice in the given link is, when we play games to turn K10stat OFF.
yes I claim it
as I already said before, voltage setting below 1,225V in BIOS (even in K10stat 1.225V/3.4Ghz ) is unstable for me, I leave all voltage settings in BIOS auto/default -> all voltage changes are set in K10stat
(and again as I already said many times before, your CPU`s lowest stable voltages is different from my CPU`s lowest stable voltage, for obvious reasons)
CPU voltage settings in BIOS is only for "B0" Pstate, so u cannot set other Pstates voltage in BIOS...
if u still dont understand it, pls read very carefully again and again and again first Krisbee`s posts in this discusion...
I didnt compare my lowests with your lowests, u use to go out of the main point all the time.
Try focus to the point, be straight and clean--> U say that u can get low numbers with K10stat while u cannot get them through bios, right?
And dont recall that Krisbee, you have already great confusion with your own posts, believe me u dont need 3rd person to confuse furthemore yourself.
so I wanna proof u that this coooler can easily handle undervolted 95W TDP phenom II 960T
Never asked u to proof me about that, but I remind that my cooler is fanless.
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I m sorry but u r not concentrate, u dont answer my questions so u force me repeat myself all the time. Plus that I m afraid u r the noob. No offence, too...
Just yesterday I repeated to u that i m not talking about raise voltage for stock clock, but u still write to me that "u do not need to raise voltage for stock clocks"... Who is the stupid then?
maybe I overwrited myself, or u still dont understand, really dunno
with raising voltage I mean, that u do not need to raise voltage above ur custom lowest stable voltage settings at all Pstates.... -> why u would burn ur CPU at 1.4V/3.4Ghz when it could perfectly work at 1.225V/3.4Ghz..... Is it clear now?
The advice in the given link is, when we play games to turn K10stat OFF.
yep It is written there, but I do not turn off K10stat in games and till now i did not observe any lags or stuttering in ETQW, Demigod, Stalker, GTA4 etc...
I didnt compare my lowests with your lowests, u use to go out of the main point all the time.
Try focus to the point, be straight and clean--> U say that u can get low numbers with K10stat while u cannot get them through bios, right?
And dont recall that Krisbee, you have already great confusion with your own posts, believe me u dont need 3rd person to confuse furthemore yourself.
Krisbee just did not have such a patience with u ;) ;D
YES, I CANNOT GET SUCH A LOW VOLTAGES IN BIOS, IN BIOS I CAN ONLY GET 1.225V for "B0" Pstate, but every other Pstates will be set by BIOS to 1,1V or so.....
ur last question was also answered here agros,
If you read my post you'll find out the reason why the voltage does not drop at idle frequency. My Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H rev 1.4 board does a better job than yours. With Turbo Core enabled and set to 3400Mhz, the CPU voltage can go as low as 1.275V and is stable. This is the voltage that is applied for the boosted freq of 3.4GHz, all others operate at 1.125V.
The only way you get you system to act more like your old CPU is to use a program like K10stat. Thsi article will give you a start:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/processor-power-management,2453.html
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I really do not know what is wrong with u... with first 2 Krisbee`s post I was able to manage my CPU voltages almost immediately, with no other questins from my side... try to understand the meaning of our words... I am afraid I cannot help u more, beacause..... my vocabulary is not large enough, or Greek english is different from Czech english, or there are some sun disrutpions, really dont know how to satisfy u... ??? I always wondered why ur karma is -5, now I know why ;D no not really ;D Iam a very calm man, but u just trying to drive me crazy :o ;D
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Well spoken japuaa and don't worry your english is very comprehensive... i've always wondered why Agros had less 5 at his karma and i'm beginning to understand it now too...just see my previous posts in order to help him (it's in this topic a few pages earlier) and you will see... it's just like he's never satisified with our answers and advises for helping him ??? Otherwise my changing from my previous 960T to my new 1055T 95w edition is worthful and now i don't encounter any problem for auto lowering vcore in idle mode ;D whereas my 960T wasn't able at all to make it even with cool and quiet enabled... ??? >:( I think it's proper to the zosma core as i had callisto core, heka core and now i have thuban core and none of those cores did encounter such a problem :D ;)
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maybe I overwrited myself, or u still dont understand, really dunno
with raising voltage I mean, that u do not need to raise voltage above ur custom lowest stable voltage settings at all Pstates.... -> why u would burn ur CPU at 1.4V/3.4Ghz when it could perfectly work at 1.225V/3.4Ghz..... Is it clear now?
lol, did I ever told u that I prefer to be burned at 1.4V and refuse to be at 1.22 ?
Krisbee just did not have such a patience with u ;) ;D
YES, I CANNOT GET SUCH A LOW VOLTAGES IN BIOS, IN BIOS I CAN ONLY GET 1.225V for "B0" Pstate, but every other Pstates will be set by BIOS to 1,1V or so.....
Krisbee was left the dialogue when he understood that he could not answer my questions.
Dont write with capitals, dont try to give the impression that u said something several times. Just try focus in the main matter and dont turn around like before, when u told me "why do u prefer burned at 1.4V ?"....
I really do not know what is wrong with u... with first 2 Krisbee`s post I was able to manage my CPU voltages almost immediately, with no other questins from my side... try to understand the meaning of our words... I am afraid I cannot help u more, beacause..... my vocabulary is not large enough, or Greek english is different from Czech english, or there are some sun disrutpions, really dont know how to satisfy u... ??? I always wondered why ur karma is -5, now I know why ;D no not really ;D Iam a very calm man, but u just trying to drive me crazy :o ;D
Theres nothing wrong with me. If u cant understand what I m talkingh about and force me to repeat all time, seems more that the wrong is in your side.
Maybe u r not enough familiar with computers or u dont care as much as I do in energy saving and cooling.
What is carma -5?
Well spoken japuaa and don't worry your english is very comprehensive... i've always wondered why Agros had less 5 at his karma and i'm beginning to understand it now too...just see my previous posts in order to help him (it's in this topic a few pages earlier) and you will see... it's just like he's never satisified with our answers and advises for helping him ??? Otherwise my changing from my previous 960T to my new 1055T 95w edition is worthful and now i don't encounter any problem for auto lowering vcore in idle mode ;D whereas my 960T wasn't able at all to make it even with cool and quiet enabled... ??? >:( I think it's proper to the zosma core as i had callisto core, heka core and now i have thuban core and none of those cores did encounter such a problem :D ;)
And why would we be interested in your new 1055? This thread is for 960T.
You previous posts didnt lead to something. Someone helps only with straight and clean answers ;)
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DarkstaR and japuaa I think you are coming to see what is really happening here with the OP. He has gone through literally loads of other members and bored them all to death in the end. I think he just likes to post anything and it has even crossed my mind that he is going for the award for the longest single thread by one OP. ::)
I really wouldn't get drawn in to his games because you can never help somone who doesn't really want it and would rather argue all the time. I think his name was given a lot of thought before choosing it. ;D
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DarkstaR and japuaa I think you are coming to see what is really happening here with the OP. He has gone through literally loads of other members and bored them all to death in the end. I think he just likes to post anything and it has even crossed my mind that he is going for the award for the longest single thread by one OP. ::)
I really wouldn't get drawn in to his games because you can never help somone who doesn't really want it and would rather argue all the time. I think his name was given a lot of thought before choosing it. ;D
Well spoken japuaa and don't worry your english is very comprehensive... i've always wondered why Agros had less 5 at his karma and i'm beginning to understand it now too...just see my previous posts in order to help him (it's in this topic a few pages earlier) and you will see... it's just like he's never satisified with our answers and advises for helping him ??? Otherwise my changing from my previous 960T to my new 1055T 95w edition is worthful and now i don't encounter any problem for auto lowering vcore in idle mode ;D whereas my 960T wasn't able at all to make it even with cool and quiet enabled... ??? >:( I think it's proper to the zosma core as i had callisto core, heka core and now i have thuban core and none of those cores did encounter such a problem :D ;)
TY guys, I was just wondering: where is The error? Now I am pretty sure it is not on my side :D
lol, did I ever told u that I prefer to be burned at 1.4V and refuse to be at 1.22 ?
several times, do u even read ur own posts?
Krisbee was left the dialogue when he understood that he could not answer my questions.
And I will do the same....
Theres nothing wrong with me. If u cant understand what I m talkingh about and force me to repeat all time, seems more that the wrong is in your side.
Maybe u r not enough familiar with computers or u dont care as much as I do in energy saving and cooling.
What is carma -5?
;D suit urself :-*
karma -5 = other users ratings for ur usefulness here
So this is the end.... Live long and prosper ;)
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It has been indeed an interesting journey, I was so hoping for a conclusion, must admit I really enjoyed reading this, but you all deserve a pat on the back for trying, I had the same problem with him a while back (different topic).
I actually thought we where getting somewhere at one stage, 'Pandora's Box' comes to mind on this subject with a touch of a paradox & a conundrum thrown in.
Well down all.
Ben.
PS. Now for some serious problem solving.
PPS. I wonder if he/she/? will come back?
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Great thanks to Ben, Dark Mantis and Japuaa to have closed this topic and above all for having made Agros understand that trying to make the longest thread by constantly relaunching and relaunching each last post without any constructive argument leads to nothing... :-X
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DarkstaR and japuaa I think you are coming to see what is really happening here with the OP. He has gone through literally loads of other members and bored them all to death in the end. I think he just likes to post anything and it has even crossed my mind that he is going for the award for the longest single thread by one OP. ::)
I really wouldn't get drawn in to his games because you can never help somone who doesn't really want it and would rather argue all the time. I think his name was given a lot of thought before choosing it. ;D
Hey, u r mod but u talk like this ??? I feel sorry for u.
Your post is a shame.
If some1 gets bored as u say, he can leave the thread.
Do u know what "agros" mean? But your own name is funnier. Focus to the point, not to the names
several times, do u even read ur own posts?
U just need to read the whole thread and be serious.
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I had the same problem with him a while back (different topic).
Which same problem? In which thread?
Great thanks to Ben, Dark Mantis and Japuaa to have closed this topic and above all for having made Agros understand that trying to make the longest thread by constantly relaunching and relaunching each last post without any constructive argument leads to nothing... :-X
lol :) I didnt relaunch and relaunch. I replay only when they force me to do so. If there isnt straight answer... what do i have to do?
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Otherwise my changing from my previous 960T to my new 1055T 95w edition is worthful and now i don't encounter any problem for auto lowering vcore in idle mode ;D whereas my 960T wasn't able at all to make it even with cool and quiet enabled... ??? >:( I think it's proper to the zosma core as i had callisto core, heka core and now i have thuban core and none of those cores did encounter such a problem :D ;)
IMHO 960Ts voltage problems are associated with BE edition and unlockable cores... AMD surely set these Pstate voltages very high, because they know users will unlock potentially defective cores, those surelly need higher voltages... :) and I can imagine situation when some experiments with unlocking and o/cing cannot be reversed with clearing CMOS...
NWM... After some voltage customization in K10stat I am fully satisfied with my new 960T :D 0,725V- 800Mhz are great numbers even better than those voltages on low power consumtion CPUs ("e" series CPUs) from AMD.... trully amazing chip, one of the last mohycans from 45nm production :D
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Hi all :)
From what I've read and seen with my 960T, they all don't know how to down volt themselves when CnQ is enabled. I never use it, so its no biggie for me lol... And it has nothing to do with unlocking the potential cores.
Disable CnQ, set Load Line control to 'norm' and your temps will be fine.
Btw, how do you like my x4 24/7 oc ? 4ghz 1.35v. :o x6 @3.7ghz 1.3v. is just as sweet !
pEACe
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Hi all :)
From what I've read and seen with my 960T, they all don't know how to down volt themselves when CnQ is enabled. I never use it, so its no biggie for me lol... And it has nothing to do with unlocking the potential cores.
Disable CnQ, set Load Line control to 'norm' and your temps will be fine.
Btw, how do you like my x4 24/7 oc ? 4ghz 1.35v. :o x6 @3.7ghz 1.3v. is just as sweet !
pEACe
I donot have LLC settings in BIOS :/
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Where exactly is this LLC?
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Load Line control is the first option under 'ADVANCED' in the bios.
What mobos are you guys using ?
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Load Line control is the first option under 'ADVANCED' in the bios.
What mobos are you guys using ?
ga-ma770-ud3 rev 2.0
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I believe LLC is a new feature that 8xx and older chipsets don't offer.
Have you disabled Turbo Core ?
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Load Line control is the first option under 'ADVANCED' in the bios.
What mobos are you guys using ?
I have Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3 v1.5
and there is no any LLC in bios-advanced.
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And why I said 'if'... I think its only available on AM3+/ 9xx boards.
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Hi.
I have undervolt my 960T with GA-970A-UD3, it work´s very well :)
Only 1.2v
Full load temp X4 33c X6 36c
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2379852
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2386037
works well as X6 3600Mhz with 1.3v :)
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1.2v is not great difference from default 1.3v, but how did u do it?
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Hi.
I have undervolt my 960T with GA-970A-UD3, it work´s very well :)
Only 1.2v
Full load temp X4 33c X6 36c
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2379852
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2386037
works well as X6 3600Mhz with 1.3v :)
Hio :)
Thx for getting interested in undervolting lol.. here is what mine can do.
x6 = 3.3ghz 1.25v., 3.5ghz 1.275v., 3.7ghz 1.3v.
x4 = 3.4ghz 1.25v., 3.8ghz 1.3v., 4ghz 1.35v.
(http://img.techpowerup.org/120514/4000 x4 prime95.jpg)
pEACe
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How much impressive your 960T is, Hippie !! :o Its zosma core is very effective and efficient could you tell us what is its stepping ? (i.e: ccbbe cb 11xx dpm or else...) thanks ;) In any case your purchase is very worthly 8)
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How much impressive your 960T is, Hippie !! :o Its zosma core is very effective and efficient could you tell us what is its stepping ? (i.e: ccbbe cb 11xx dpm or else...) thanks ;) In any case your purchase is very worthly 8)
Heyo and ty DarkstaR :) Yep I am very fortunate lol..
Gigabyte should get some credit b/c none of this would be possible without the amazing power management of my 990x. I luv this mobo even though the northbridge does get hot.
The stepping codes are CCBBE CB 1142EPM and check out these temps ! heh..
Room temps were 18-22C, I'm guessing.. 4ghz x4 1.35v ...
gaming
(http://img.techpowerup.org/120615/4000 x4 gaming.jpg)
prime 95
(http://img.techpowerup.org/120615/4000 x4 135v prime95 2.jpg)
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1.2v is not great difference from default 1.3v, but how did u do it?
H!
How did i do it. I put CPU voltages at 1.2v and ran Prime95 Small FFTs 12 hours :)
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INCREDIBLE !! :o What a bargain, your are very lucky :-* Indeed my ex-960T was only able to be unlocked as X5 and now my new 1055T 95W edition is overclocked at 14x250 @ 1,375v @ 24/7 @ CNQ enabled... it could be set at 1,35v in idle mode but during benches or heavy games i get blue screens and in order to hit 4,0 Ghz i'm obliged to set its vcore at 1,55v for more stability which is too high for me... :-\
(http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/2308665.png) (http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2308665) --> just click on this banner in order to see the whole screen...
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INCREDIBLE !! :o What a bargain, your are very lucky :-* Indeed my ex-960T was only able to be unlocked as X5 and now my new 1055T 95W edition is overclocked at 14x250 @ 1,375v @ 24/7 @ CNQ enabled... it could be set at 1,35v in idle mode but during benches or heavy games i get blue screens and in order to hit 4,0 Ghz i'm obliged to set its vcore at 1,55v for more stability which is too high for me... :-\
(http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/2308665.png) (http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2308665) --> just click on this banner in order to see the whole screen...
Tbh, I can hardly believe these numbers myself. :p
1.475v is my limit. Call me chicken if you want. heh
Will you be upgrading your mobo anytime soon ? Going from my Asus 790gx to the GA990x added 200mhz to my OCs, while using the same voltages.
And ty for reminding me of my Athlon II x4 630 days. :)
(http://img.techpowerup.org/120616/very cool 19k 3DMark06.jpg)
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Yes Hippie those numbers are very impressive... your cpu batch/stepping is worthy ;) if i'm right my ex-960T was ccbbe cb 1138 dpm... otherwise thanks for advising me to change my mobo in order to get a newer and more performant chipset (990x/fx) but i'm not interested cause this change wouldn't make the bargain (about 150 € mobo + ddr3) only to hit 200-250 mhz higher... moreover i've just changed in february of this year my memory from 2x1 gb Gskill pc2-6400-pk to those marvellous 4x2 gb Geil Black Dragon pc2-8500 which cost me 110 € :o ) so i think i will keep my rig about 3-4 years and only change my graphics card when necessary...
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I have borrowed a WATTmeter and.....
idle 0,725V 800 Mhz - 80W
in game 1,225V 3000Mhz - 130W
awesome :)
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I have borrowed a WATTmeter and.....
idle 0,725V 800 Mhz - 80W
in game 1,225V 3000Mhz - 130W
awesome :)
Those look like x6 numbers to me. ;)
@DarkstaR If DDR2 is not slowing you down then you're good.
OC'ing aside, sata3, usb3 and better HD graphics made it very worth while for me. I wasn't expecting the HD to get better but everything is a bit sharper that it was.
pEACe
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Those look like x6 numbers to me. ;)
only x4
but those are consumptions of the entire computer ;-)
aaand it was not 3Ghz - 1,225V but only 1,125V
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Those look like x6 numbers to me. ;)
only x4
but those are consumptions of the entire computer ;-)
aaand it was not 3Ghz - 1,225V but only 1,125V
Wow.. I will have to try that right now lol.. brb.. xD
update...
I'm playing it safe b/c BSODs scare me so. :p
On 6 cores it seems Prime95 stable @3ghz, 1.2v. And on 4 cores 1.150v is okie too. :)
(http://img.techpowerup.org/120620/3000 x4 1150mv prime95.jpg)
pEACe
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Wow.. I will have to try that right now lol.. brb.. xD
update...
I'm playing it safe b/c BSODs scare me so. :p
On 6 cores it seems Prime95 stable @3ghz, 1.2v. And on 4 cores 1.150v is okie too. :)
pEACe
nice :) u have really good chip, with x6 I cannot go lower than 1,33V - 3Ghz... seems one of locked cores of mine is kind a defective... :/
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Wow.. I will have to try that right now lol.. brb.. xD
update...
I'm playing it safe b/c BSODs scare me so. :p
On 6 cores it seems Prime95 stable @3ghz, 1.2v. And on 4 cores 1.150v is okie too. :)
pEACe
nice :) u have really good chip, with x6 I cannot go lower than 1,33V - 3Ghz... seems one of locked cores of mine is kind a defective... :/
Tx again. Not only is it a good cpu, its also BSOD friendly. If the OC is not stable, the benchmark will usually crash back to the desktop. With Prime95, one of the cores will stop and the other 5 will contiune stressing.
Is your ram @1333mhz and/or manually set in the bios ?
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How did i do it. I put CPU voltages at 1.2v and ran Prime95 Small FFTs 12 hours :)
You mean that either the deafult 1.35V or the modified(from bios?) 1.20V bring the same performance for 960T ?
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oh no.... pls not again.... :-X
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so simple question but so difficult to answer ???
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Simple logic should answer that lol... ::)
Or run some benchmarks and find out for YOURSELF. :p
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Hey, I did not ask you.
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Hi agros long time no hear from you, good to have you back.
Also a bit of decorum would be nice once in a while.
Actually I thought you answered your question, maybe I should re-read it.
Ben.
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I think all that bail out money is clouding his perception on things. :o
pEACe
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Hi agros long time no hear from you, good to have you back.
Also a bit of decorum would be nice once in a while.
Actually I thought you answered your question, maybe I should re-read it.
Ben.
I m older than u here and I never left :)
I always have decorum and I want it from others, as well.
My question was to our friend Bredband. But maybe u want to answer instead of him, if u know?
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As you say you are older than me on this site, if that is the case then you should know that others may input some help regarding our problems.
Whenever I post a problem I know that others will be reading this & try to help me, sometimes they may be way of the mark, but then that could be put down to my bad explaining, but I do not fob them off because of this, if someone wants to put in their 10 cents worth be it right or wrong I do not get upset as I am probably just as guilty at this as they are. We are human, plus it is very hard to fix someone's problem especially when you are not with them & all you have is just a list to go by.
I do hope that you get your system up & running at optimum levels with low voltage, my system is probably a candidate for voltage overkill but then I have solar panels on my roof, which I use to compensate for this.
Ben.
PS. Good Luck.
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All this blablabla is offtopic. U dont help this way.
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Please keep this thread friendly agros as it is open to all to comment or help in their own way. ;)
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But why do you tell this to me? I m always friendly with friendly people.
So tell that to Ben.
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