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Title: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: davidbec on June 05, 2012, 01:05:58 pm
I've seen the many many article and handson of the various Windows 8 tablets to be released this year and early next year. Some are pretty innovative like the Acer 700 with its docking system that lets you change the tablet from landscape to portrait.

Wired.com has a page up with most if not all of them on one page http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/06/windows-8-tablets-computex/

What I would say is that they are very good looking tablets, glossy, slim, extremely light and all the right curves to make them look really good.

The problem I would have with them is the majority are using the minimalist approach. Some have no USB ports on the tablet itself or "micro everything"; microusb, micro hdmi, microsd; micro... micro micro... So you are forced to use micro devices or travel with lots of adaptors.

Compared to the S1081. Personnaly I'd go with the S1081 still however just because of the availability of ports and because I know how to increase my resolution. Most of the tablets have 1366x768 and there is at least one with 1080p.

This brings my to my punch line.

If the S1081 had the 1366x768 resoution as I keep saying they should do. It would have no problems outshining the tablets on display today in Taiwan, due to their minimalist approach which makes them great ipad competitors only. For actually doing things they would pale significantly to the S1081 because of its ability to connect to any and everything all by itself. No added docks, weight or inconvenient keyboards to meddle with. No docking connectors to come off or get damaged by imporper docking.

However because it can only muster 1024x600. Gigabyte had best keep it under the tablet.

Come on Gigabyte, get with it!!! Please!!!
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: Dark Mantis on June 05, 2012, 07:47:36 pm
I am no expert on tablets or notebooks but as far as I have seen most every build has a downside that spoils it.  What I can never understand is why the manufacturere designs a great unit but spoils it by using one device or setting that just isn't good enough. It's almost as if they build in a fault so they can rectify it in the next revision. The same thing is there on most devices that  see for review.  :-\
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: davidbec on June 05, 2012, 11:47:06 pm
Everyone expect Apple.. and that's why they run the show and everyone else is just playing the "me too". If you look at the tablets that came out, (if you omit the dock) they are so similar. Then again so many of them have the same keyboard docks. The S1081 is so unique and powerfully competent that the resolution omission is glaring.

Except for that omission I have started thinking of it as like a "+1" tablet while the others I call "me too" tablets. Cause it has everything they have and then some. While they are just "me too" similar size, ports, thickness, micro everything as the next guy.

Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: davidbec on June 06, 2012, 11:57:34 pm
Just saw a short hands on by Sasha from Netbooknews. He found a Jeyway 10 inch tablet at Computex running Windows 7 and another running windows 8. He said that "what he really liked about it with was that the tablet had 2 full sized USB 2.0 ports. " ;D

Please send him an S1081.  ;D
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: Dark Mantis on June 07, 2012, 10:12:52 am
Good idea but wrong place. This is just a forum even though it is backed by Gigabyte and so "official". You would need to contact Sales and Marketing for review samples.
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: davidbec on June 20, 2012, 12:49:49 pm
The Microsoft Windows 8 tablet looks really good. Very Premium build.

Notice that it is heavier than the S1080 and 81, and almost as thick. Now if these really were issues or "bad things" why would Microsoft, which is the real person behind Windows 8 build a tablet like this to push windows 8 sales?

Answer.....

Because they are not "bad things".

I would like an S1090 please. With upgraded versions of all the ports the S1081 has. So yeah, just as thick.
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: Dark Mantis on June 21, 2012, 09:25:48 pm
If they are doling them out I will have one too!  ;) I agree that the full size connectors are best by far. These micro ports are a right pain in my eyes.
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: johnbash on July 13, 2012, 07:56:12 am
I dont think win8 tabs would be able to stand against ipad and andoid tabs
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: davidbec on July 13, 2012, 01:15:59 pm
I don't think so either generally speaking and they really should stop trying. Windows 8 tablets are for work. Androids are for play. I have seen and heard that the Apple tablets are getting a lot of business apps that work extremely well so I'm going to switch here and say that the iPad is also a good business tablet, but only because of its apps, not its capabilities. Any attempt to market Windows 8 tablets for consumption or leisure alone will fail. Too many cheaper excellent Androids around.

The Windows 8 tablets have the capabilites and the apps. But they can never reach the price points that the Androids are sold at and they should not try to reach them either. Going against the iPad is a better bet. But should be done carefully, cause a lot of the people that buy apple buy it because of the brand, features (weight, appearance primarily) and familiarity, not becasue of the capabilities.  So it will take a tremendous amoung of marketing to move them away from apple. Gigabyte has a excellent capable tablet in the S1081. How many reviews have you seen on it by reputable hardware reviewers with industry influence? None. Who's talking about it? No one. The MSI and Acers are also fairly good, but again no ads, no reviews. Youtube does not count. Videos are short, the reviewer is sometimes biased, does not know certain things about the device and so is misleading, audio, or video or both are sometimes poor quality. Videos keep buffering. etc.

So even if Microsoft's tablet is great. If no one is talking about it, not one is advertising it. There will be no movement from the iPad to it. Even if it is superior.
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: davidbec on July 13, 2012, 01:17:19 pm
And you know what pisses me off.

Sometimes these manufacturers kill perfectly good hardware (which they refused to advertise) and say no one was interested.
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: davidbec on July 20, 2012, 01:28:06 am
Was bored today so I spent some time watching youtube videos of the Microsoft tablet. It's pretty impressive in many ways. A lot of care and attention certainly went into designing it.You can hear the presenters excitement and passion when he speaks.

Microsoft said the RT version is going to cost around what a similar android tablet cost. The Windows 8 Pro version is going to cost around what a Ultra book will cost.

Going to be a tough call for a lot of people deciding on the Surface vs a new Gigabyte S10xx. The Microsoft one is definitely going to be more expensive, but when you think of the quality and attention to detail they went through, the microSDXC and USB3 ports and of course that 1920x1080 screen. Then there is the whole "mindshare" of owning a beautifully crafted Microsoft tablet.

Gigabyte is going to have to come real good this time around. But they can make it happen if they really wanted to.


If only I could work there......
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: Ray! on September 04, 2012, 10:56:32 pm
I certainly don't begrudge the lower resolution of the S1080. I have a Fujitsu P1610, which has an 8.9", 1280x768 resolution screen, and I find it almost impossible to use with my normal reading glasses, because the text etc is so small. To that end, I can see exactly the same issues with a 10" tablet running very high resolution screens. And if you try to do any scaling, it can distort things, which makes it less than optimal.

I think one of the reasons that the S1080 and it's conterparts haven't done well in the marketplace, and especially with reviewers, is because most are enarmoured by the simple things that Android and Apple provides, cheezy apps etc. Most of those tablets are sold as playthings and reviewers etc are always loking for the next best plaything with new bells and whistles, not always practical tools.

The other reason is that Windows 7 isn't considered as a serious OS contender in the tablet market, and especially because the 'app' store is so bereft of fun things to download. That's one aspect of the marketplace that Windows 8 in the RT version is trying to capture, but retain the business end with the Pro version; though I still have my reservations about the 'not now called Metro' interface, I prefer the desktop.

One reason why I investigated the S1080 to a greater degree than I would normally have done, was due to the bagging it received, despite clearly having more functional features than any other tablet. After handling one in the flesh, it was a no-brainer for me. All I really think that the S1080 future should hold is a more (energy efficient processor, more RAM capacity - seems like the S1081 has that) and a more flexible BIOS. Mind you, I still think the S1080 is a better overall device than many of the newer tablets.
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: davidbec on September 06, 2012, 04:32:07 am
I bought my S1080 mostly because of the ports it had. I fell inlove with it after it was delivered.

The resolution is ok. But higher resolution is a must for me. There are phones with 4 or 5 inch screens having higher resloution than the S1080/81 and most people I think, are ok with the smallness of the text or they zoom in. On a 10 inch screen they should be ok. In most, if not all of the reviews I have read about tablets, the reviewer gives high praise to the higher resoloution tablets and they bragg about how good things look. So this is something that I believe the general public wants to see.

For me it would allow the odd one or two dialogue boxes to fit. And allow for more of the page in MS Word or the spreadhseet in excel to be seen. I actually use mine in 1152x864 with 10 or 15% scaling about 98% of the time.

Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: Ray! on September 06, 2012, 10:01:16 am
I run dual dual 23" desktop monitors that are 1680x1050, which give a pretty close relationship withn the S1080 at 1024x600 (1.6 vs 1.7 ratio). A lot of reviewers praise higher resolution because they are into video, photos, games etc, where text and the like are somewhat irrelevant, so higher resolution is a plus. Also, they are usually younger and don't have the visual issues associated with 40+ year olds. Just wait until they get a tad older. :)

What has to be recognised is that the generation/s that have grown up with technology are getting older and their physical senses will deteriorate, while their mental functions will remain. How frustrating to look at a screen designed for a 14 year old with perfect vision, when you're 50+ and mentally more adroit than the 14 year old. Nokia has been in this state for the last 30 years.
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: Ray! on September 10, 2012, 05:36:14 am
For those who might want to use Windows 8, but would prefer the desktop interface rather than the tiled one, here's a solution: http://retroui.com/. And at $4.95 for three devices, it's pretty good value, until someone cracks the system for free, or Microsoft relents.

My only reservation about Windows 8 at the moment is whether all the necessary device drivers etc will be available for the devices that I have.

Cheers

Ray
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: davidbec on September 10, 2012, 10:41:34 pm
You probbaly have a full backup of your tablet already so there is no risk, just install it and see how it goes. If your devices do not work wipe it off.

All of the tablet devices worked except the hard keys on the left. You may have to install the bluetooth drivers manually, but i am pretty sure everything else worked with the built in Windows 8 drivers.
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: Ray! on September 11, 2012, 02:20:36 am
I'm going to get the $14 upgrade and install it on my Fujitsu P1610 and see how it goes. I have a full system image of my S1080, but I'm never confident that the first iteration of any OS is going to be completely bug free. I've played with the RC version of Windows 8 on my Fujitsu and utterly hated the 'not now called Metro interface', as I'm not into any of this 'social' stuff that Windows 8 seems to be geared towards. So if RetroUI works as described and Windows 8 is as fast as it's been reported, then I might wait for the the first service pack and then give it a try on the S1080. In the meantime, I can learn more about Windows 8 and RetroUI on the Fujitsu.
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: davidbec on September 20, 2012, 01:32:53 am
Windows 8 on the S1080 is sooooo nice!. I reloaded the RTM yesterday on it.

Intel is going to have a big showing with all of the Windows 8 tablet manufacturers next week I am told.

Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: Ray! on September 20, 2012, 06:50:24 am
I'm yet to be convinced, which is why I'm going to give it a go on my Fujitsu, but the S1080.
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: davidbec on September 28, 2012, 12:10:56 am
Intel held their press conference/show today. Did not show any tablets as far as I have been able to gather, but they detailed the Clover Trail processor and spoke brieftly about Valley View; which is the next processor to be released next year. They listed the manufacturers for the Clover Trail Windows 8 tablets and Gigabyte is not among them.

Maybe next year for Bay Trail processor (Based on Valley View platform)?
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: Ray! on October 03, 2012, 04:44:01 am
I just noticed this on the Gigabyte website, the S1080 and S1081 are supposedly not upgradeable (it does state x64, but it's not entirely clear):

http://www.gigabyte.com/WebPage/104/index-en.html
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: Thaversonly on October 03, 2012, 11:24:16 am
The problem I have with them, the majority of the minimalist approach. Some no USB port on the tablet itself, or "micro-everything", microUSB, micro HDMI, microSD, micro ... Micro Micro ... So you would have to use a lot of micro-devices or travel adapters.
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: davidbec on October 03, 2012, 12:36:29 pm
Seriously! I have no idea which Windows 8 they used. Or whether it is the same one from Microsoft; but mine works. You will lose the buttons on the left hand side and the volume rocker. Perhaps that is what they mean.

I agree with you Thaversonly; the micro thing does not fly for me either. I need full USB, full SD. I dont mind the HDMI being micro, because I can't imagine having to use that in a place where I do not have a table and adequate space to put the tablet on. Most likely this is something that would have been planned ahead of time so I would know that I need the adaptor. But having ethernet, full SD slots and full USB are things that can occur at any time anywhere and you may be caught without the necessary...
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: Ray! on October 04, 2012, 12:06:17 am
Yeah, it sounded bizzare to me, considering what Microsoft has stated as being the minimum specs to run Windows 8, and the S1080 exceeds them by a country mile.

In my view, this race to make something the thinnest possible and thus lose some fundamental peripheral device support, is nuts. It's like a few years back when mobile phone makers were trying to make phone the smallest possible and they became almost unuseable for many. Now they are becoming huge.

I think Gigabyte has hit 'nail on head' with their design choice and there's no point in trying to copy the others in their race to create paper thin tablets.
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: davidbec on October 10, 2012, 12:37:55 am
Well Acer and Lenovo have declared their hand. Engadget did a preview of the Acer W510 and a brief look at the Lenovo Thinkpad 2. Acer is starting around $500, while Lenovo is $649.

Neither would get my vote however against an S1081.

Could you imagine hanging one of these off a microusb port? http://www.diamondmm.com/ati-theater-hd-750-usb-tv-tuner-tvw750usb.php

Thinking of getting one for my 1080.
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: Ray! on October 11, 2012, 05:38:33 am
I tried Windows 8 again on my P1610 to see how I'd go, but again, I simply can't get used to it. I'm a solid desktop user, even with my tablet, so the user interface of Windows 8 is alien that nothing I did could get me to like it. Even the most simple of actions such as loggin on and shutting down have been given a confusing multiple step process. I tried the desktop, but it was all too hard.

I pity users who are upgrading from XP/Vista and buy a new PC with Windows 8, they are going to be in a world of hurt trying to work it out. I think I'm going to stay with Windows 7 until such time as Microsoft brings out a dedicated desktop version of Windows 8, without the not-Metro interface. I am certain that they will do this, as the kickback over the current interface is going to be huge, once people have no other option.
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: Ray! on October 27, 2012, 09:59:27 pm
OK, I did a bit of a backflip here, as I was able to get Windows 8 Pro for $15 online, so I thought it might be worth trying it out on the S1080. After the download and conversion from ISO, I created a second partition on the S1080 SSD and started to do a dual boot install. This became a world of pain as the installation kept stalling all the time at the point where you selected the drive on which the install should go. It was only after finding this guide, did things succeed: http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/2344-dual-boot-installation-windows-8-windows-7-vista.html (this forum came up quickly).

The installation didn't take all that long surprisingly, but the required registration process was an absolute pain. The system would not accept my email address, which ended in .com and I had to use another email address which ended in .com.au. After some further stuffig around with usernames and passwords, all was good and I had a functioning dual boot S1080.

Everything looked quite good, but unfortunately, none of the apps would work, as the screen resolution didn't meet Windows 8 requirements. So I went to the Registry in Windows 8 to do the modification that allowed me to change the screen resolution in Windows 7 and tried again. Unfortunately, Windows 8 doesn't seem to accept the registry fix and doesn't allow me to change the default 1204 x 600 setup (it comes up as the maximum). So unless I can find a solution to this, the Windows 'Modern' interface will not work. It's a shame really, as the interface looks as clean as it could get, even at the lower resolution and so it baffles me why this is a retriction.

The desktop works fine, but I don't really intend to use it, as during the Windows check process, many programs that I use don't work in Windows 8. I'll keep plodding along to see if I can get the Modern interface to work, but if it's a bust, I just reformat the partion and return to a full Windows 7 system.
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: Ray! on October 28, 2012, 08:25:09 pm
Problem Solved! It appears that Windows 8 only has one instance of 'Display1_DownScalingSupported' in the Registry, so what I did was create another DWORD in the second list, restarted and I could change the resolution, and everything is fine. The two locations are:
 
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\{4D36E 968-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}\0000
 
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\{4D36E 968-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}\0001
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: davidbec on October 28, 2012, 08:41:13 pm
Wlcome to the "Windows8 on 80" party!!

Check that all of the devices are working. I had to do some extra work to for bluetooth.

The camera app is fairly poor you might find "Youcam" is much better.
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: Ray! on October 28, 2012, 09:09:51 pm
I installed Windows 8 primarily to learn a bit about it, now that it's in it's final version. I can't use it fully, as it simply won't run many of my applications, especially my most important one which is navigation. In time this will improve, but at the moment I'm fairly restricted. We'll see how it goes.
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: davidbec on November 26, 2012, 11:47:38 am
I was browsing Amazon a few days go and looking at the tablets that are now on sale. I also came across an article showing what Intel was planning for 2013 and it does not appear like a new Atom is going to be released until the very end of 2013 or even 2014 when they release their next CPU 22nm architecture with the Ivy Bridge graphics included. Yes they are dumping PowerVR.

With that in mind it means that the Z2760, which Gigabyte elected not to use in the S1082 is the last Atom chip we will see for a long time.

So what are my options for an upgrade next year?

I am looking favourably at the Acer W510.
It has the Z2760 and a full sized USB port. USB 2.0, which is not so good, but I don't really have any choice. It does have HDMI, and a micro SD card slot. Again I would prefer a full sized SD card slot, but yet again no other choice. The MS Surface and the Samsung Ativ 500T also use micro SD.

It comes with a 64GB SSD and Bluetooth 4. It is also very light at 1.3lbs compared to 1.89 for the S1080, and 1.6lbs in the Samsung.

The Samsung Ativ is nice looking but runs the CPU at 1.5Ghz vs 1.8 in the Acer. The only benefit I see is the pen. But I can buy one of those. The other thing is that the Samsung is 11.6 inches with the same resolution as the Acer. A little big for me. Eveything else in the specifications remains pretty much the same, the price is also very close although the Samsung seems to be the favourite.

What I found strange however was that in a review I saw of the Z2760 the Windows Experience score for the processor was the same (3.4) as my N570.

What are you looking at for next year?


Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: Ray! on November 27, 2012, 02:59:45 am
I'll be using the S1080 for some time to come, unless it fails for some reason. While I have Windows 8 running as a dual boot, I'm mainly using Window 7, as I'm still not entirely convinced that Win 8 is fully sorted out.
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: davidbec on December 02, 2012, 12:07:29 am
Microsoft has announced the Surface Pro will have a USB 3 port and a Displayport. Additionally it will be .57 inches thick. Take note that the S1080 and family are .59 so is thick suddenly ok again?
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: rnomis on December 22, 2012, 06:40:17 pm
I am reasonably happy with windows 8 on my S1081 despite being ripped off by Microsoft over the price for the upgrade (it didn't seem to discount the offer code so with tax this was UK £30!)
Anyway, it boots up faster than win7 I have the 64GB SSD version and boots in around 30 seconds. I had to merge the partitions to get it on but so far OK.

I have two problems:
I have hacked the registry to get the higher resolution but it crashes when I try to run any apps. This is a known issue so for the moment I am keeping it to the standard resolution while I wait for some kind soul to rewrite the Intel driver (you would have thought that with their resources they would have done this already). The apps are not that important for the moment.

The other and more pressing problem is the Bluetooth driver. There doesn't appear to be one installed. I see that davidbec had a problem which he seemed to have resolved.

Quote
I had to do some extra work to for bluetooth.

 It would be great if someone could document how to do this. I have a company iPhone with a generous data package and would dearly love to pair my S1081 with it as I did with windows 7

thanks in advance

Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: davidbec on December 22, 2012, 07:42:01 pm
Hi and welcome to the Windows 8 on S10x party!

To fix my Bluetooth I just had to download the driver from gigabyte. Bare in mind however that I have an S1080 not an S1081. I reloaded it a few weeks ago and interestingly enough I did not have to do the gigabyte download.
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: rnomis on December 23, 2012, 03:23:03 am
Thanks for the information. However, I have now installed it twice and added a desktop icon but it will not run. When I open the file location, it points to rundll.exe
Not sure where to go from here.
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: davidbec on December 23, 2012, 08:37:03 pm
Can't remember exactly how I got mine installed. Have you tried getting windows to browse just for the driver for the device rather than running the install program?
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: davidbec on January 11, 2013, 12:16:53 pm
Enter the Latitude 10 from Dell
http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/latitude-10-tablet/pd?ST=dell%20latitude%2010&dgc=ST&cid=76289&lid=4563070&acd=G2fvFRSL

Pretty descent to be honest. It has FULL USB, FULL SDCARD. Oh Joy!! Gorilla glass and a swappable battery. Intel Z2760 for long battery life, micro HDMI, 64GB SSD and  8MP back camera with flash.

Very cool. The best Part!! It can be yours for under $600.

Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: davidbec on February 09, 2013, 12:31:28 am
Here I have the new Microsoft Surface Pro compared to the Gigabyte S1185. Both are expected to be in the same price range.


OS
Windows 8
 Windows 8 Pro

CPU
S1185 - 3rd Generation Intel® Core™ i5-3337U Processor (1.8GHz-2.7GHz)
Surface - 3rd Generation Intel® Core™ i5-3317U Processor (1.7GHz-2.6GHz)

Display
S1185 - 11.6" Capacitive Multi-touch Panel 1920x1080 IPS LED backlight
Surface - 10.6" Capacitive 10 point Multi-touch Panel 1920x1080 Cleartype PLS LED backlight

System Memory
S1185 - 2/4/8GB DDRIII, 1 slot (Max 8GB)
Surface - 4GB DDRIII

Chipset
Mobile Intel® HM77 Express Chipset

Video Graphics
Intel® HD 4000 Graphics

Storage
S1185 - 64/128/256GB mSATA SSD
Surface - Micron C400 64/128GB mSATA SSD

I/O Port
S1185 - USB (3.0)*1, USB (2.0)*1,VGA, HDMI, Headphone-out jack (Audio-in Combo), MicroSDXC, SIM card slot, Keyboard dock connector
Surface - USB 3.0, microSDXC, Headset jack, Mini DisplayPort, Cover dock

Audio
1.5 watt speaker*2, Microphone

Communications
S1185 - Wireless LAN: 802.11b/g/n, Bluetooth: Bluetooth V4.0 +LE, WWAN (3.5G): 3.5G Antenna built-in, 3.5G Module supported (optional)
Surface - Wireless LAN: 802.11b/g/n, Bluetooth: Bluetooth V4.0 +LE,

Webcam
S1185 - Front: 1.3 Megapixel,  Rear: 5 Megapixel
Surface - Front and Back unknown exactly but 720 capable

Battery
S1185 - Li-polymer, 7.4V, 39Wh
Surface - 42 W-h

Dimensions
S1185 - 297 x 183 x 13.6 mm - 2.2lbs
Surface = 275 x 173 x 13 mm - 2lbs, VaporMg casing

Extras
Surface - integrated kickstand, digitizer and pen with 1024 levels of sensitivity.
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: Ray! on February 09, 2013, 11:11:23 pm
You just pointed out something I'd missed completely. The S1185 uses an mSATA SSD, while the S1080 series uses a SATA I/II/III SSD.

This:

(http://www.theinquirer.net/IMG/705/224705/adata-msata-540x334.jpg)

vs this:

(http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/2011/08/830_Series_SSD_Drive.jpeg)

Also included in the S1080 series is a mini-PCIE slot, which is the same as an mSATA slot. I've installed a mini-PCIE to SD card adapter in mine and can now use an SD card (up to 32GB) for extra internal storage. At some point in time I want to see if an mSATA SSD will work in this slot.

mSATA drives are a fair bit more expensive than SATA SSDs, so why did they go this way with the S1185? And have they removed the mini-PCIE slot as well. Considering the increase in tablet dimensions, the S1185 could have hosted quite a bit more than the S1080.
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: davidbec on February 10, 2013, 04:34:58 am
yup unfortunately they are using mSATA. Depending on the manfacturer there could be a large performance hit compared to a SATA SSD.

I was tryng to find information on the PCIE slot and I do not believe it supports the SATA protocol, which is required in order for it to support an SSD in the slot.
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: davidbec on February 13, 2013, 01:44:33 pm
Just a word of warning to persons who are interested in purchasing Windows 8 tablets, especially those running the Intel Z2760 processor. The SoC that this processor is used in does not support the SATA protocol and as a result many of the tablets which use it will not carry SSDs or hard drives. Rather the manufacturers have been including eMMC drives. These are essentially SDCards without the casing, soldered onto the main board.

Here http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/11/lenovo-thinkpad-tablet-2-review/ (http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/11/lenovo-thinkpad-tablet-2-review/) is the Lenovo X2 review. In it you will see the test results from a number of tablets which use the Z2760 and eMMC drives. Average read speed is 82MB/s and average write 34MB/s. SSDs tend to be in the +200MB/s area for read and +150MB/s for write.

So be aware when making your purchase that if the tablet uses an eMMC drive your performance will not be as high as you expected and sometimes the fault will not be the processor.
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: Ray! on February 13, 2013, 09:21:04 pm
I have to say that Gigabyte got so many things right with the S1080 series of tablets that it's a shame they have moved away from this. The first thing is the ability to easily open the back and get access to the components. Then the use of and ability to change HDDs/SSDs, add mini-PCIE storage (via an adapter) or a mobile data card, the ability to change the battery and simply be able to clean the insides.

The Microsoft Surface, for example, appears to be the complete opposite: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Pro+Teardown/12842.

I'm personally very happy that I bought the S1080, after seeing so many reviews of newer tablets that don't seem to offer anything better, but in fact seem to be inferior in so many ways.
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: davidbec on February 14, 2013, 01:41:00 am
You are so right Ray.

From the time I saw the specification on the S1080 I knew I had to have one and I have not looked back since. I thought the tablets coming out especially this year would surpass it in terms of performance and capabilities but it did not happen. None of the non-Gigabyte units exceed it in capabilites and the performance on the Atom units are no different for busniess use. Games and movies are better, but that's all.

I was hard on gigabyte when I first saw the S1082 specifications, but now I think I understand why they did not go with the Atom this round.

The 2014 Intel Atom though looks to be a game changer.
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: davidbec on May 03, 2013, 12:51:09 pm
CNET has posted their Windows 8 tablet roundup.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-3121_7-57582331-220/how-to-choose-an-entry-level-windows-8-tablet/

Missing of course is the Gigabyte range of tablets.

In the comments area people are talking about what tablet they like and what they have purchased. Some have mentioned that Baytrail is set to arrive later this year, so they are holding out for that. I too am holding out for a Bay Trail tablet with lot of useful ports along the sides. Hoping that the processor and chipset are allowed to really stretch themselves and show what they are capable of and believe me what they can do is quite a lot.

There is mention of a  new Windows 8 Toshiba table coming on the market targeted at businesses. It is supposed to have a full SD slot, full USB3, micro HDMI and WWAN, 3G or 4G, don't recall right now. It is said to be .5 inches thick and weighing in at 826grams. Processor, RAM and size of the disk were unknown at the time of the article.

There are rumors of a Microsoft Surface 2 tablet coming soon. Some speculate that it may have 7 or 9 inch screen options. Time will tell I suppose.


until next time...
Title: Re: What do you think of new Windows 8 tablets?
Post by: davidbec on June 10, 2013, 05:03:57 pm
Well Computex 2013 has come and gone.

I know we (me) were looking forward to seeing soem new tablets from the various manufacturers. These did not appear. Mostly because as you perhaps now know, the Intel Baytrail CPU will be released later this year as as a result I believe most manufacturers are developing tablets based around it.

We did see the W3 from Acer released and it is now up for preorder at prices ranging from $350 - $380USD. There were a few others, but nothing to get excited about.

It's all up to Baytrail later this year. Before the holiday season they say.

Early performance estimates place the CPU well above the current Atom and the GPU should be well over 100 percent faster. All this with 14 hours (according to the marketing) of battery life. Additionally it will support SATA, USB 3 and higher than 1080p resolution screens. Three things the current Atom 2760 is lacking.

So you get the impression that this Atom is going to be the BOOM!! And it probably will be. Time will tell. I suppose.

Gigabyte launched/released the S10A tablet at Computex 2013, however details are not the website as yet. It is using an AMD Tamesh A4-1200 CPU inside the casing of the S108x line we are familiar with. So it has the same ports, resolution and features as the current tablets. The AMD CPU however has a very powerful GPU inside it although the CPU portion runs at just 1Ghz. Once we start to see reviews we will know how this combination works out.

So that's it from me for now...