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Questions about GIGABYTE products => Motherboards with AMD processors => Topic started by: Hippie Tech on July 17, 2012, 08:53:44 pm
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Hi and good day all. :)
Here's hoping that someone out there knows of a quick/easy solution to this problem that has plagued the AMD Gigabyte 9xx mobos.
My experience with the anonymous Gigabyte tech support rep was most disappointing to say the least. Comments like " the board has been validated.." and " There were thousands of these boards sold and no issue were reported.", did absolutely nothing to ease my concerns. The response I got from Runn3r was just as laughable.
Either the bios is overvolting the NB and/or the tiny heatsink is inadequete and/or these mobos have faulty wiring/construction that is causing this extreme heat.
As a last resort, I'll be forced to void my warranty :( and use thermal adhesive to hold the Zalman NB-F47 chipset cooler in place.
Thanks in advance.
pEACe
HT
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How hot is it? Does putting a fan on it help? They are designed to run with one. Putting an aftermarket cooler usually takes away the air it gets from the stock CPU cooler.
Who are these thousands with overheating issues? I have no issues with my setup. What circumstances cause you overheating? we'll need a whole lot more info other than it's overheating to track down why it's overheating.
I see no response from Runn3r?
Why would you want to glue on a heatsink? Glue has worse cooling properties.
If you're going to put on a new NB heatsink, buy an all copper one with a fan and a heatpipe version would be best. ThermalRight makes nice ones that allow you to attach a fan.
Anymore, I find it best to buy the high end boards as they have higher quality chips and very good cooling solutions on the board already. It can save hassles as the hundred dollars on heatsink on the board is worth the extra cost of the motherboard, let alone the better quality chips to keep from having overheating issues in the first place.
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Hi Mark :)
At idle, the NB heatsink is very hot to the touch with the cpu at stock 960T settings. When gaming, the backplate on my gpu gets very warm aswell.
Using a fan to cool it, will only mask the problem. And what you said about aftermarket cpu coolers has me lol'ing. xD
I've run this cpu and my previous cooler, Zalman 9900NT, on 5 other mobos. (Asus 790gx, 970 evo, 990fx, MSI 890fx, 970). All of their respective NB heatsinks felt cool or barely warm. The NB on this 'high end' 990fxa-ud3 rev 1.0, that I tested with a PII 965be, was searing hot, btw.
Is my post that hard to understand ? I never said thousands were overheating. Plz re-read.
Runn3r's comment was from this PM. How does someone become an admin when they dole out noob advice like this !
"Hi
There is no technical problem if northbridge is just hot unless you experience any problem with your PC.
Don't worry about it, have a look at such comparison - if someone owns a car then noone checks the temperature of the engine itself, if there is no alarm sign that water in cooling system is too hot.
Please calm down and thanks for understanding
runn3R / GIGABYTE Forum Admin"
Thermal adhesive is a mixture of thermal paste and glue. It will be my last resort unless I can figure something else out. I'm thinking that an elastic or hairband might be enough to hold the NB-F47 in place... hmm..
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Hippie Tech ,you are over reacting mate.
Had many boards with 7xx chipsets (2 with 790FX ,one with 770 and one with 790X) ,owning a 890GX based board and a 970 based board as well.They were all hot or felt to hot.
As long as there is no stability issue ,everything is ok.
Enhance the air flow in your case and move on ,the board will be absolite before the north-bridge will burn or whatever.
If you just want it cooler just replace the cooler and the thermal paste.
Maybe your chipset is a rebadged 890 GX with the GPU running on empty inside it.If it is the case then most probable the silicon itself is made to stand heat as a GPU does.
My 890 GX based board is perfectly stable and it s really super hot.
You can simply sell the board and get another one.
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Hi Mark :)
At idle, the NB heatsink is very hot to the touch with the cpu at stock 960T settings. When gaming, the backplate on my gpu gets very warm aswell.
you do have a thermometer to put on it? Maybe a IR temp gun?
Using a fan to cool it, will only mask the problem. And what you said about aftermarket cpu coolers has me lol'ing. xD
You don't sound like you were around when those verticle heatsinks first came out. I remember when I bought my first one, Zalman 9500 92mm. It was awesome. kept the cpu nice and cool. Unfortunately it took the airflow from my passive NB and caused it to overheat when I was overclocking to get my 800MHz to run at full speed. It worked for a couple weeks and then began BSODing. I thought it was the ram so I went to swap it out when my hand slipped and it touched the NB heatsink and darn near burned me. I googled it and everyone was having the same issue. I got copper heartsink with a little 40mm fan and things were cooler. although I had to leave my ram at 667MHz and the NB overvolted for it to work, and it even crashed once in a great while.
anyway, whenever I use the verticle heatsink or waterblocks, I ALWAYS put a fan on my NB. Just gun shy I guess.
I've run this cpu and my previous cooler, Zalman 9900NT, on 5 other mobos. (Asus 790gx, 970 evo, 990fx, MSI 890fx, 970). All of their respective NB heatsinks felt cool or barely warm. The NB on this 'high end' 990fxa-ud3 rev 1.0, that I tested with a PII 965be, was searing hot, btw.
If searing hot I'd assume you have major issues. I'd just return it.
Is my post that hard to understand ? I never said thousands were overheating. Plz re-read.
I just assumed a plague was about a thousand plus.
Runn3r's comment was from this PM. How does someone become an admin when they dole out noob advice like this !
"Hi
There is no technical problem if northbridge is just hot unless you experience any problem with your PC.
Don't worry about it, have a look at such comparison - if someone owns a car then noone checks the temperature of the engine itself, if there is no alarm sign that water in cooling system is too hot.
Please calm down and thanks for understanding
runn3R / GIGABYTE Forum Admin"
sounds like Runn3r was having a bad day.
Thermal adhesive is a mixture of thermal paste and glue. It will be my last resort unless I can figure something else out. I'm thinking that an elastic or hairband might be enough to hold the NB-F47 in place... hmm..
At most I'd try remounting the original with good paste and a fan. No sense destroying it with glue and risk damaging the NB when you remove it. Besides, that heatsink looks weaker than the stock unit.
If stock isn't working with new tim I'd return it fast before you have to RMA it. If you're not happy now, you never will. Just move on before it's too late and you get stuck like I always seem to.
Luck
-=Mark=-
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Hey guys :)
I'm convinced that the stock heatsink is to blame. There is almost nothing to it and its design is obviously flawed. It needs 10-20g more mass and the bulk of it should be centered with the NB chip. EVERY other mobo I've seen does NOT run this hot.
And enough with the cpu coolers, Mark. lol ! The ga990fxa-ud3 belongs to a client and he was using the stock :o AMD HSF.
Hippie Tech ,you are over reacting mate.
Had many boards with 7xx chipsets (2 with 790FX ,one with 770 and one with 790X) ,owning a 890GX based board and a 970 based board as well.They were all hot or felt to hot.
As long as there is no stability issue ,everything is ok.
Enhance the air flow in your case and move on ,the board will be absolite before the north-bridge will burn or whatever.
If you just want it cooler just replace the cooler and the thermal paste.
Maybe your chipset is a rebadged 890 GX with the GPU running on empty inside it.If it is the case then most probable the silicon itself is made to stand heat as a GPU does.
My 890 GX based board is perfectly stable and it s really super hot.
You can simply sell the board and get another one.
Were they all Gigabyte mobos ?
What !? "Gpu running on empty inside it." ???????? ROFL 'then slaps forehead' :p One more noob/ bury you head in the sand comment like that and I'll delete my acct, deal with it on my own and just stay clear away from Gigabyte.
I'm about to see if zip ties or an elastic band will be enough to hold the Zalman cooler in place.
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Hey guys :)
I'm convinced that the stock heatsink is to blame. There is almost nothing to it and its design is obviously flawed. It needs 10-20g more mass and the bulk of it should be centered with the NB chip. EVERY other mobo I've seen does NOT run this hot.
Convinced? and you laugh at my comments. Try putting a fan on it. it will be the same as putting on a,so called, better heatsink. If it doesn't work with a fan send it back! If the fan works, swap heatsink of you wish and put on fans. I would personally rma for a better NB chip.
And enough with the cpu coolers, Mark. lol ! The ga990fxa-ud3 belongs to a client and he was using the stock :o AMD HSF.
Were they all Gigabyte mobos ?
Mine was DFI with a huge NB heatsink. It barely cleared the Zalman. Actually it touched it barely. But all MB brands had the issue. As I said this was a huge problem. An actual plague. lol Intel was trying to keep up with AMD at the time and were pushing their processors to the limits at stock settings. So a little thing like missing airflow and small oc would fry NB. Back then it was the NB holding things back. Not the CPU so much. You needed a cherry picked NB which you can't do, so you had to buy the top end boards to get the best possible NB. You couldn't just buy a NB chip and put one on yourself.
What !? "Gpu running on empty inside it." ???????? ROFL 'then slaps forehead' :p One more noob/ bury you head in the sand comment like that and I'll delete my acct, deal with it on my own and just stay clear away from Gigabyte.
ow, talk about the kettle calling the post black! It is much cheaper to one NB with the GPU on it already and just not enable it when not needed. It makes a whole lot of sense to me.
I'm about to see if zip ties or an elastic band will be enough to hold the Zalman cooler in place.
Wow! really? I have some bubble gum if you need it. lol
Just put a fan on it to see if there is a difference. If it is bad as you claim, just return it. It's obvious not just a heatsink issue if it gets that hot. I mean the others you stated were luke warm. If heatsink was a little too small then it wouldn't make that huge of a difference.
Just test other options before you go broke buying things you don't need or worse, miss your return date.
What were your temp reading? Hopefully you have a method of testing other than your finger. You may burn off your fingerprints before you figure this out.
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Were they all Gigabyte mobos ?
No!
What !? "Gpu running on empty inside it." ???????? ROFL 'then slaps forehead' :p One more noob/ bury you head in the sand comment like that and I'll delete my acct, deal with it on my own and just stay clear away from Gigabyte.
Yes boy,your 990X is a re-badged 8xx chip ,all 9xx chipsets are rebadged 8xx ,most probable in your case it s a 890GX.
Your insults will lead this useless thread into oblivion.
I'm about to see if zip ties or an elastic band will be enough to hold the Zalman cooler in place.
It s your useless choice.
Have fun :)
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Hi Mark :)
At idle, the NB heatsink is very hot to the touch with the cpu at stock 960T settings. When gaming, the backplate on my gpu gets very warm aswell.
Using a fan to cool it, will only mask the problem. And what you said about aftermarket cpu coolers has me lol'ing. xD
I've run this cpu and my previous cooler, Zalman 9900NT, on 5 other mobos. (Asus 790gx, 970 evo, 990fx, MSI 890fx, 970). All of their respective NB heatsinks felt cool or barely warm. The NB on this 'high end' 990fxa-ud3 rev 1.0, that I tested with a PII 965be, was searing hot, btw.
Nice Post.First,that was a lame comment,"There is no technical problem if northbridge is just hot unless you experience any problem with your PC." The boards you listed are a good example of how proper cooling for the NB should be implemented.Gigabyte has no excuse for this poor cooling solution,on any motherboard.Then again,I never had a gigabyte board go bad,so I cant complain too much.I own (2) GA-970A-UD3 boards,which are your basic budget gaming board.The north bridge is fastened to the board with plastic push pins.. :D The board in question," 990fxa-ud3 rev 1.0" is a step up from my board.I used my first 970 for 7 months with no issues.Now it will serve as a back-up,just in case this board takes a dive.I just put in a new 970 & a 965be,and put it through the paces.OC @ 3.9G with 1.376 Vcore. It idles @ 30C,and I cant push it past 39C on full load,for 40 minutes.Sweet ;D Using a Hyper 212 plus and Noctua NT-H1 paste.My theory is the NB will burn up,in 1 1/2 -2 years of heavy use.Having a case with good airflow,maybe longer.Well, @ 100 dollars for a 970,its not a bad trade off..I have a Antec DF85.It has 7 stock fans,and I added 2 more for the cpu cooler,and the case stays cool.I would like to know what gigabyte considers a safe NB temp,considering the cooling method it uses on the NB.Go figure.
If you look at the snapshot,on the left side,a quarter of the way down,you'll see temperature 3,which is @ 50C.That is the north bridge temp.I was compressing some huge files for 40 minutes pushing all 4 cores.This seems to be the max temp for the NB on my 970.When running basic pc tasks NB stays @ 40C - 42C.It's also summer,so 45C is common depending on the ambient temp.I have my rig in the basement.Its always cool.
http://postimage.org/image/x3tuo3tbj/ Load
http://postimage.org/image/fmt8i0du1/ Idle
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Try putting the PC in standby (S3) then wake it up then check the NB temps with HWMonitor or OpenHardwareMonitor notice anything weird.?
Specs:
AMD Phenom II 955 BE
Gigabyte 990FXA-UD5
CoolerMaster Hyper TX3
Silverstone Strider 600w
4GB Mushkin Blackline
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In general I don't like the methods of fixing or necessarilly design of some of the coolers for the northbridge, and that isn't just on Gigabyte boards. I feel the northbridge is treated like a second class citizen and not given much thought or expenditure to cool. It is very easy to custom fix some much better solution but I do agree that it shouldn't be necessary.
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Hi all :) IM BACK ! lol
First off, I'd like to thank Leo, @Gigabyte tech support, for restoring my faith and trust in Gigabyte. He has informed R&D about my findings and concerns, and has mailed me some thermal pads for the NB heatsink. They should arrive some this week. WOOT WOOT Leo !
Last week I decided to use some thermal pad material that was salvaged off some older gpus. On my first attempt, I placed 4 small globs near the corners of the NB pcb. Not only did this drastically reduce the NB heatsink's surface temps, it also made installing the heatsink much safer thanks to the added support. I also removed the plastic sheet that was glued to the base of the NB heatsink.
(http://img.techpowerup.org/120814/cool NB 1.jpg)
The second attempt worked a little better even though I did not refresh the (Artic Silver Ceramique) thermal paste. The heatsink is no longer searing hot.
(http://img.techpowerup.org/120814/cool NB 2.jpg)
Plan B... Modded NBridge8. ::) Thats if I can find some nylon nuts, bolts and washers that will fit.
(http://img.techpowerup.org/120814/plan B xD.jpg)
(http://img.techpowerup.org/120818/plan B xD 2.jpg)
@Dark Mantis +1 8)
pEACe
HT
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Hi Hippie Tech
Nice to see that you have officially joined us ;)
Sounds more like it ! I reckon that something was amiss though from what you said about the plastic sheet beneath the heatsink. I doesn't sound like it should have been there.
I also removed the plastic sheet that was glued to the base of the NB heatsink.
Anyway at least it is gone now and good riddance I reckon. I told you there were some good guys in the system, it's just getting past the others that is the hard part. ;)
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Hi Hippie Tech
Nice to see that you have officially joined us ;)
Sounds more like it ! I reckon that something was amiss though from what you said about the plastic sheet beneath the heatsink. I doesn't sound like it should have been there.
I also removed the plastic sheet that was glued to the base of the NB heatsink.
Anyway at least it is gone now and good riddance I reckon. I told you there were some good guys in the system, it's just getting past the others that is the hard part. ;)
Thanks DM !
Just to be clear, the plastic had a square cut out near the middle, with a foam pad/square surrounding it and the NB chip.
Thermally conductive plastic ? lol
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Thermally conductive plastic ? lol
Not in this lifetime!
If there was a window cut out of it centrally maybe the chip fitted through there. :-\
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Thermally conductive plastic ? lol
Not in this lifetime!
If there was a window cut out of it centrally maybe the chip fitted through there. :-\
Yes there was a window and it had a thin square pad lined around it. The center of the HS was bare aluminum.
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Well.. the hot weather is back and so is the hot NB. Its not as searing hot as it was, but still singes after a few seconds.
I am convinced that the main design flaw has to do with how there is only 2-3mm of aluminum sitting directly above the NB chip. Notice how the main mass of the heatsink is way off center ?
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Well.. the hot weather is back and so is the hot NB. Its not as searing hot as it was, but still singes after a few seconds.
Can you find the reading in ET6 or HWMonitor, or even a thermometer?
Remember, you will blister around 140F (60C) if you hold on to it long enough. 160F (70C) will usually blister almost immediately.
I am convinced that the main design flaw has to do with how there is only 2-3mm of aluminum sitting directly above the NB chip. Notice how the main mass of the heatsink is way off center ?
Is the chip lining up with the cut-out?
What kind of thermal paste do you use on the NB? Use something non-conductive.
Being off center should be fine as long as the whole chip is covered.
-=Mark=-
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Well.. the hot weather is back and so is the hot NB. Its not as searing hot as it was, but still singes after a few seconds.
Can you find the reading in ET6 or HWMonitor, or even a thermometer?
Remember, you will blister around 140F (60C) if you hold on to it long enough. 160F (70C) will usually blister almost immediately.
I am convinced that the main design flaw has to do with how there is only 2-3mm of aluminum sitting directly above the NB chip. Notice how the main mass of the heatsink is way off center ?
Is the chip lining up with the cut-out?
What kind of thermal paste do you use on the NB? Use something non-conductive.
Being off center should be fine as long as the whole chip is covered.
-=Mark=-
The NB/ system temp reading is not accurate or if it is, its not coming from the NB. 35-40c should feel cool to barely warm at best. It could be the VRMs or SB as they are always cool or barely warm. The bios, ET6, Speedfan ect. all read the same for what is supposed to be the NB.
The chip is obviously covered and lining up with the cut out. lol.. Its the design and weight that makes it so inefficient. And as I've already stated, I used Arctic Silver Ceramique. When the new thermal pads arrive, I'll be switching to AS5.
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The NB/ system temp reading is not accurate or if it is, its not coming from the NB. 35-40c should feel cool to barely warm at best. It could be the VRMs or SB as they are always cool or barely warm. The bios, ET6, Speedfan ect. all read the same for what is supposed to be the NB.
Software programs are all over the place. most don't even say they're for the NB. you just get a temp1, temp2, etc type reading. You can pick up a cheap thermometer just about anywhere. Try coffee shops, wal-mart etc. they are used a lot for making espresso.
The chip is obviously covered and lining up with the cut out. lol.. Its the design and weight that makes it so inefficient. And as I've already stated, I used Arctic Silver Ceramique. When the new thermal pads arrive, I'll be switching to AS5
I wouldn't use AS5. It has silver in it. If you get too much it can get on other parts of the chip and cause problems. I use MX-4, but the ceramique is fine and not an issue for you.
I wouldn't use thermal pads on the chip either they can run 10C hotter easily. Use paste alone.
What happened with the copper heatsink? or is that is what is giving you problems?
also, the design is just right. It is common for chips to be made to run 60C all the time. It is a safe temperature. I'm sure it's the same reason you replaced your CPU cooler. It was running a little warm so you replaced it with better as you don't get an option for better stock cooler like MB offer. I know all of my Intel processors always have ran about 60C on normal load and around 70C on stress load.
Just because it is hot to your finger doesn't mean it is hot to the chip. They can withstand very high temperatures. They are not made of meat and start cooking at low temps. 100C for a lot of chips is not uncommon and a safe temp. heat wears things down over time from heating and cooling all of the time, but your computer will be out dated before that happens. This is why they charge much more for higher end boards. You get a $100 heatpipe cooler included.
Luck
-=Mark=-
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I would just like to say that Mark's answer was spot on and you should listen to him.
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I would just like to say that Mark's answer was spot on and you should listen to him.
What answer ? ::)
Mark needs to read the posts a little more carefully before he responds. As I have previously stated, I have seen my fair share of AMD mobos and know what to expect.
Speedfan and other apps are not all over the place and always match what the bios temp readings say. I've run my current cpu on 4 other mobos and they all show similar CPU temps. If the readings are off, that means the bios has a temp offset written into it.
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Here is my 3rd try with the thermal pad mod.
Turns out I used way too much the last time. Once compressed, the thermal pad material spread twords the NB chip and partially covered it ! lol.. This time I used about half the amount and its paying off. It's gone from 'searing' to 'hot' and now it feels like a slightly hot cup of coffee. :)
The thermal pads that Leo from tech support sent me have arrived. BIG thanks Leo ! I will eventually try them out even though they are alot thinner than what I was expecting..
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I dont know the NB temperature of my sons GA-970A-UD3 AM3+ but it is pretty warm to the touch. I found a couple of asus chipset cooling fans laying around and it clipped right on the NB heatsink. I hope it is helping to cool a litte better.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-Passive-Water-Heatpipe-CPU-Chipset-optional-fan-/300419396789?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45f26434b5 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-Passive-Water-Heatpipe-CPU-Chipset-optional-fan-/300419396789?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45f26434b5)
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I dont know the NB temperature of my sons GA-970A-UD3 AM3+ but it is pretty warm to the touch. I found a couple of asus chipset cooling fans laying around and it clipped right on the NB heatsink. I hope it is helping to cool a litte better.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-Passive-Water-Heatpipe-CPU-Chipset-optional-fan-/300419396789?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45f26434b5 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-Passive-Water-Heatpipe-CPU-Chipset-optional-fan-/300419396789?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45f26434b5)
How does the heatsink feel now and what cpu HSF are you using ?
A few weeks ago, I put a 140mm fan inside the 5.25" drive bays and found out how sensitive this heatsink design is to changes in the case's air flow. I thought that the added air flow would help but it actually made things hotter. My theory is that the HS is creating a wall and thus ruining the normal air flow. Its as if the HS is not catching any air.
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No offense HippieTech I just reckoned that Mark made some valid points like about using a thermometer instead of "hot to the touch" sort of gauging.
How about using a movable fan on a gooseneck like I use on my testbench as you can change the direction and distance fromn the heatsink that way. Also you can use a far bigger fan that most of these chipset sized fans.
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No offense HippieTech I just reckoned that Mark made some valid points like about using a thermometer instead of "hot to the touch" sort of gauging.
How about using a movable fan on a gooseneck like I use on my testbench as you can change the direction and distance fromn the heatsink that way. Also you can use a far bigger fan that most of these chipset sized fans.
None taken DM. :) Who needs a thermometer when you have logic and experience. xD
I have tried placing a stock AMD CPU fan near it and it didn't help. With 3 120mm fans above it, there should be plenty of airflow around the NB.
My main goal is to find some washers and bolts for the modded NBridge8 cooler. The uber thin pads, Leo sent, will work great as liners for the washers.
For LOLz, here is how (see pic) I dealt with the heat coming off the back of my old GTX 285. Yup, incense sticks. 8)
pEACe
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How would I be able to contact Leo at Gigabyte.
Thanks
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How would I be able to contact Leo at Gigabyte.
Thanks
Why ?
Check out Gigabyte's U.S. contacts page or start a RMA ticket.
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The thermal pads from Tech support are way too thin for the NB but perfect for the VRM heatsink. :) It used to get warm but no more ! wooot !
The pad from the VRMs is now being used on the NB heatsink and showing another slight improvement with the temps.
Tbh, I don't think things will get much better with the stock heatsink. It lacks the mass/design necc for proper cooling performance. Things really take a dive, when my room temp gets past 22C.
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Hi,
I've used Gigabyte boards for years and recently replaced my ageing 790X with a 990FXA-UD3. First thing I did was to remove the Northbridge and replace the bubblegum type thermal paste with some non conductive MX-2. You might also find one of these handy: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-007-AN&adword=google/pla/PUP_Components_Cooling_Heatsinks/Other_Coolers/HS-007-AN/&pup_ptid=41169927275&pup_kw=&pup_c=pla&gclid=CKiYy7vPuLICFeTLtAodzF4AFw . I use one in my system and fine tune it with Speedfan.
The best way to determine your actual northbridge temp is to enter your bios and look under PC health status for system temp. You can correlate this with something like speedfan which uses your SuperIO Chip=IT8720F to determine sensor temps and is an excellent application.
Just to add that my northbridge tops out around 38c although Gigabyte will tell you that they are good up to 90c (not that i would be happy in that situation.)
I hope this helps some..
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Hi,
I've used Gigabyte boards for years and recently replaced my ageing 790X with a 990FXA-UD3. First thing I did was to remove the Northbridge and replace the bubblegum type thermal paste with some non conductive MX-2. You might also find one of these handy: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-007-AN&adword=google/pla/PUP_Components_Cooling_Heatsinks/Other_Coolers/HS-007-AN/&pup_ptid=41169927275&pup_kw=&pup_c=pla&gclid=CKiYy7vPuLICFeTLtAodzF4AFw . I use one in my system and fine tune it with Speedfan.
The best way to determine your actual northbridge temp is to enter your bios and look under PC health status for system temp. You can correlate this with something like speedfan which uses your SuperIO Chip=IT8720F to determine sensor temps and is an excellent application.
Just to add that my northbridge tops out around 38c although Gigabyte will tell you that they are good up to 90c (not that i would be happy in that situation.)
I hope this helps some..
Hio Kemical.
Been there and done all of that. heh..
While the temp readings from the bios and various software do match, the supposed NB reading is not accurate. Other mobos I've tested show similar numbers yet the NB heatsinks were always cool or barely warm to the touch.
My rig has 11 fans. Do I really need another ? :P
case - 4x 120mm + 1x 140mm
cpu - 3x 120mm
gpu - 2x 92mm
psu - 1x 135mm
I have tried placing a spare AMD cpu fan near the NB and on a seperate occasion I put a spare 140mm in the optical drive bay. I couldn't get the cpu fan close enough to make a difference. Adding the 140mm fan made the NB run hotter ! ???
The 90C line they gave you is laugable if not insulting. Anything over 55C will significantly increase the temperature swings the mobo has to endure when booting up or shutting down. The board will eventually become damaged due to warping and/or solder reflow.
Once the room temp gets to be 25C or higher, the stock Gigabyte NB heatsink is simply incapable of handling the heat. Period.
pEACe
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The 90C line they gave you is laugable if not insulting. Anything over 55C will significantly increase the temperature swings the mobo has to endure when booting up or shutting down. The board will eventually become damaged due to warping and/or solder reflow.
Well regardless I'm only passing on what was written in the reply. I do want to take back some of what i wrote above as after spending a weekend researching the UD3 (I always do this with any new kit I purchase) I've found that much of what i wrote is incorrect.
I've found that the best info by far for the boards in question can be found here:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1023100/official-gigabyte-ga-990fxa-series-owners-thread-club
Just to save time on searching this bit of info I found really helpful:
Q: In CPUID HWMonitor, which temp is what?
A: TMPIN0 = system temp; TMPIN1 = CPU temp; TMPIN2 = NB temp
Hope this helps some.. :)
Just to add that after getting the above info I now realise my Northbridge is running around 40c idle and 50c under load. The system temp always stays at a cool 30ish but as long as the northbridge doesn't get any hotter than I'm ok with it. Does the above info help you revise your situation any?
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The 90C line they gave you is laugable if not insulting. Anything over 55C will significantly increase the temperature swings the mobo has to endure when booting up or shutting down. The board will eventually become damaged due to warping and/or solder reflow.
Well regardless I'm only passing on what was written in the reply. I do want to take back some of what i wrote above as after spending a weekend researching the UD3 (I always do this with any new kit I purchase) I've found that much of what i wrote is incorrect.
I've found that the best info by far for the boards in question can be found here:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1023100/official-gigabyte-ga-990fxa-series-owners-thread-club
Just to save time on searching this bit of info I found really helpful:
Q: In CPUID HWMonitor, which temp is what?
A: TMPIN0 = system temp; TMPIN1 = CPU temp; TMPIN2 = NB temp
Hope this helps some.. :)
Just to add that after getting the above info I now realise my Northbridge is running around 40c idle and 50c under load. The system temp always stays at a cool 30ish but as long as the northbridge doesn't get any hotter than I'm ok with it. Does the above info help you revise your situation any?
I am familiar with the owner's clubs on that forum, and all they did was help to confirm that many others are also feeling the heat. lol
They are wrong about the NB temp as TMPIN2 is actually a ghost reading of the CPU. When CPU Unlock is enabled TMPIN2 shows 12C and does not budge, even when stressed. My screenshots should be self explanitory.
Speedfan reads TMPIN2 as Temp3
(http://img.techpowerup.org/120917/locked cpu.png)
(http://img.techpowerup.org/120917/locked cpu AOD speedfan hwmon.png)
(http://img.techpowerup.org/120917/unlocked AOD speedfan hwmon.png)
My problem will be solved as soon as I can find a couple of washers that will work with the push pins on my modded NB heatsink. I have bought 2 aftermarket chipset coolers and both have issues because the holes on the mobo are wider and spaced farther apart than norm. WTG Gigabyte ! :p
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Hmm I think your correct in your assessment that the sensor reading is actually a ghost reading of the cpu temp +10 degrees. My reasons for saying this is because I was checking the temp trace found in speedfan and it matched the cpu's troughs and peaks exactly but as I said above, +10 degrees. My old 790X gigabyte board gave a similar weird reading at that sensor point although that said 80c or something like that and there was nothing on my system at 80 plus degrees.
I've also noticed that if i blast a fan on the northbridge and monitor the TMPIN2 temp, the figure just won't budge but if I monitor what i originally thought was the northbridge temp, then some decrease in temperature is seen. So I guess I was in the right place originally anyway.. Thanks for helping to clear that up.
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The cpu and ghost readings are not 10C+ apart. Look at the Prime95 screenie a little closer. Thats the core temp you're looking at.
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Dude I'm talking about my own data not yours.. Perhaps i should have included a screenie for clarity.
Edit:
This is why i said the above, my data is slightly different to yours as I'm using the 990FXA-UD3
(http://imageshack.us/a/img145/5459/captureavw.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/145/captureavw.jpg/)
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Duh oops ! ;)
How does AMD Overdrive read the sensors on your board ?
They seem to be having problems with the 900 series. The previous two versions couldn't read my gpu ! haha
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Hi,
I can see the GPU (5870) but other stuff like chipset is a little bit out and some sensors don't even register. Like you say I'm unsure if this is down to the chipset or Windows 8 Pro.
One thing I do love about this board though (amongst others) is the onboard sound. It's incredible! I've never heard anything so good especially for onboard stuff. In games I can hear a pin drop.. awesome stuff.
I'm getting a 8150 in a few weeks to replace my 965 and it will be interesting to see how this chipset reacts to the new cpu. One it was actually designed for...
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All I want to say is.. woot woot ! ;D
Big thanks to Randy at cuttingedgecomputers.ca for supplying the free washers. ;)
(http://img.techpowerup.org/120926/coool nb.jpg)
The Logisys CC8 (aka NBridge8) is simply amazing and well worth the cash. The base of the HS barely gets warm and the normal heat build up, between the NB and gpu, is no more.
http://www.logisyscomputer.com/viewsku.asp?SKUID=CC8&DID=VGA
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Looking good!
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Heyo and ty Kem :)
Now its even better with my new HD 7870. xD The VF3000N is on its 4th gpu ! haha eg. GTX 285 > HD 5830 > HD 6870 > HD 7870
The performance and temps are blowing my mind ! Room temps were at least 22C when I was playing Trackmania the other day.
(http://img.techpowerup.org/121003/TM temps064.jpg)
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This is.. WHAT A WELL COOLED MOBO LOOKS LIKE ! ;D
(http://img.techpowerup.org/121009/PA031144 720.jpg)
..gaming with a little 10-12C air blowing in the window... ::)
(http://img.techpowerup.org/121008/TM tempss.jpg)
(http://img.techpowerup.org/121009/4300 x6 22 2400 1250 AVP norm.jpg)
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Hi all,
Whilst I am confused which indicator represents the Northbridge temperature reading. I am using HWMonitor and Open Hardware Monitor and their temp readings are similar. I bought 990FXA-UD3 along with FX8150 a month ago. I am just starting using VMWare Workstation 9. As far as I can tell you, once I started running two VM sessions, browsing the web and watch movies. The system will shut down around 5 - 10 minutes later. I have contacted Gigabyte support, their response are, let's say not useful. At the time of this writing, I only have VM sessions opened, one of them is idle, and another one is installing software. The Open Hardware Monitor telling me the temperatures are
Temp #1 47C
Temp #2 64C
Temp #3 87C
The Temp #3 did reach to 101C in a number of occasions, many occasions hit 98C.
I am currently waiting for the NB heatsink purchased from ebay, as I am not able to find any computer shops selling them.
I will post again once I applied Artic Ceramique and the new heatsink.
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Hio guy
Tbh I don't think anyone knows lol..
What I do know is that Gigabyte should have done a recall on these boards a long time ago. For whatever reason the northbridge on this thing wants to melt through the board, once the gpu becomes engaged.
Which chipset cooler did you buy ?
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Hi
I bought NCA-610 Serpent Northbridge. One review said the fan was noisy. From the look of it, I believe it is the only one that comes with the clips/arms long enough to secure the heatsink on the MB.
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Hi
I bought NCA-610 Serpent Northbridge. One review said the fan was noisy. From the look of it, I believe it is the only one that comes with the clips/arms long enough to secure the heatsink on the MB.
Lets hope it will be a good fit.
I for one am done with this mobo and have decided to take tech support's offer and send the board in for a refund.
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Refund? you are so lucky. Gigabyte tech told me the problem is not conclusive. Go figure!
I wonder if ASUS M5A99X EVO R2.0 wouldl be better? or in general avoid 990FXA chipset?
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None of the other 900 AMD chipsets I've run/ setup get anywhere near this hot. So its definitely not a 900 series issue. I hope Gigabyte's r2/v2 version fixes that.
The board will be mailed off tomorrow and it will be missed because I have learned alot and have set many personal oc bests with it. NO complaints there. :)
Had one final session before I packed it up.
Phenom II x4 960t @4410mhz 252 x 17.5, 1.5v, 2016 ht / 2520 nb
HD 7870 @ 1275 / 1375, 1250mv, +5% power limit .. or 10% ? forgot lol..
(http://img.hwbot.org/u41557/image_id_858038.jpg)
And for the record, I will continue to consider buying/ recommending Gigabyte products with all my future upgrades and builds. Its good to know the support is there, if/when you need it.
pEACe
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Hi All,
Just flashed Bios to F9. Re-run Open Hardware Monitor. The Max. Temperature #3 is 88.0C with 2 VM sessions + Browser the web, and downloading over an hour without causing system shutdown. However, I can still cause the system freeze by running existing + more apps, e.g. running 2 additional video converter sessions.
The tweak in Bios F9 definitely makes the PC runs longer without shutting down . The current temperature #3 is 93.0C, with 2 VM sessions + browser. I have been running uninstalling a Service Pack on one of the VM sessions over 5 minutes. Then the temperature #3 drops to 80.0C.
Still waiting for NB cooler.
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The NCA-610 Serpent Northbridge arrived. Installation is a complete failure as I am unable to secure the heatsink through the provided plastic studs. Probably a better chance if I can secure the heatsink with the clip, but 990FXA-UD3 has no hooks that I can secure to. I am re-using the default heatsinks and replaced the thermal paste and pad (VRM) with Artic Ceramique 2. Tested with 2 x VM sessions, one installing software, browser and watching movie, the temperature #3 is at around 80.0C. No more 990FXA-UD3 for sure.
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The NCA-610 Serpent Northbridge arrived. Installation is a complete failure as I am unable to secure the heatsink through the provided plastic studs. Probably a better chance if I can secure the heatsink with the clip, but 990FXA-UD3 has no hooks that I can secure to. I am re-using the default heatsinks and replaced the thermal paste and pad (VRM) with Artic Ceramique 2. Tested with 2 x VM sessions, one installing software, browser and watching movie, the temperature #3 is at around 80.0C. No more 990FXA-UD3 for sure.
That makes 3 chipset coolers that are not compatible with these boards. In case you missed it, the other two are the Logysis CC8/ Nbridge8, and the Zalman NBF-47.
I used to think that the stock heatsink was mostly to blame, but no more. After comparing it to my new mobo, I am convinced that the bios is overvolting the NB/ HT/ cpu and not reporting the correct voltage and temperature values.
If I'm right, and it is juiced, this will explain why the NB on my 990fx does not get roasting hot when the gpu is engaged and why it does not oc as easily as the 990-ud3 does.
pEACe
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R.I.P.
I am forced to retire Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3.
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Sorry to hear that.
I would call tech support directly and insist they do something about it. You probably got the same guy I did when I first started my ticket.
gl
pEACe
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Is widely known and accepted the fact that the UD3 comes with the crappiest HS of the range. That's just a fact whether people some people like to accept it or not.
Now, changing the even crappier TIM on it should be a priority for all owners of this MoBo.
I'm kinda screw because on Argentina Gigabyte has not real representation and the people from the tech support can barely understand Spanish and/or English let alone write it. So I can't really get any type of direct contact with them, only via my retailed which he refuses to accept any responsibility unless my board burns up because of the temps (quite literally).
Changed the TIM for me dropped almost 20C. Even though I left the outer pads on, thing that I will correct on my next clean-up.
I'm trying to find some proper "bolts, nuts and washers" to firmly secure it since at the moment I don't have any money to purchase an after-market HS for my NB, specially since they are quite expensive and rare on my whereabouts.
Lately is quite hot in my city (30c to 40c) and the highest I've seen my NB while gaming was at 64C (Albeit not horrible is still crappy, woulnd't mind seeing it lower, like the Asus counterparts of lower end MoBo's), usually is around 58-60C. Before I changed the TIM was almost peaking flippin' 80C on the previous heat-wave that my city got.
The fact that it also starts at around 50C as soon as I turn on my PC after like 12 hours is just plain crappy.
Like Hippie Tech, I also believe that there is a overvolting of the NB, like my CPU vCore had it to 1.475v by default (even as high as 1.5v with the LLC on auto), which is really stupid since my chip can run at stock with 1.275v.
I will start testing the minimum voltage for the NB these days, hopefully that will decrease the heat output a bit.
Thanks for making this thread and all the inputs and ideas, Hippie Tech.
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Is widely known and accepted the fact that the UD3 comes with the crappiest HS of the range. That's just a fact whether people some people like to accept it or not.
Now, changing the even crappier TIM on it should be a priority for all owners of this MoBo.
I'm kinda screw because on Argentina Gigabyte has not real representation and the people from the tech support can barely understand Spanish and/or English let alone write it. So I can't really get any type of direct contact with them, only via my retailed which he refuses to accept any responsibility unless my board burns up because of the temps (quite literally).
Changed the TIM for me dropped almost 20C. Even though I left the outer pads on, thing that I will correct on my next clean-up.
I'm trying to find some proper "bolts, nuts and washers" to firmly secure it since at the moment I don't have any money to purchase an after-market HS for my NB, specially since they are quite expensive and rare on my whereabouts.
Lately is quite hot in my city (30c to 40c) and the highest I've seen my NB while gaming was at 64C (Albeit not horrible is still crappy, woulnd't mind seeing it lower, like the Asus counterparts of lower end MoBo's), usually is around 58-60C. Before I changed the TIM was almost peaking flippin' 80C on the previous heat-wave that my city got.
The fact that it also starts at around 50C as soon as I turn on my PC after like 12 hours is just plain crappy.
Like Hippie Tech, I also believe that there is a overvolting of the NB, like my CPU vCore had it to 1.475v by default (even as high as 1.5v with the LLC on auto), which is really stupid since my chip can run at stock with 1.275v.
I will start testing the minimum voltage for the NB these days, hopefully that will decrease the heat output a bit.
Thanks for making this thread and all the inputs and ideas, Hippie Tech.
Hio Tiki :) .. and no probs. 8)
I was hoping this would encourage Gigabyte to work on this issue. So much for that idea.
In case I wasn't clear on this before, removing the foam (and the plastic lining) made reinstalling the heatsink a little tricky because the heatsink will easily wobble on the tiny NB chip with out the foam support. This also made it difficult to tell if it was sitting flush.
The temperature difference between my old and new mobo is amazing, btw. Check out my Bitcoin mining farm ! I added the 5850 2 weeks ago, the vf3000a.. just yesterday. lol
pEACe
I think this officially makes me a Zalman fanboy. :p Pun intended. haha
(http://img.techpowerup.org/121212/PC121368 12.jpg)
OpenCL Bitcoin miner
(http://img.techpowerup.org/121212/777 mhash.jpg)
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What enhancements have you got after you ve changed the cooler on the chipset ,excepting the temperatures ?
The performance increased ?!
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What enhancements have you got after you ve changed the cooler on the chipset ,excepting the temperatures ?
The performance increased ?!
The lower temps mean that the potential is there. I will/should have a little more room to oc and/or performance if I add a third gpu.
Now that I have the 2nd vf3000, the psu's exhaust is luke warm at best. Its begging for more. lol
I'm running the stock nb cooler, btw.
pEACe
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Anyone knows what is the stock voltage for the 990FX chip or the lowest voltage that can run with? I would like to have some idea what voltages ranges to test. Thanks.
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Hi and good day all. :)
Here's hoping that someone out there knows of a quick/easy solution to this problem that has plagued the AMD Gigabyte 9xx mobos.
My experience with the anonymous Gigabyte tech support rep was most disappointing to say the least. Comments like " the board has been validated.." and " There were thousands of these boards sold and no issue were reported.", did absolutely nothing to ease my concerns. The response I got from Runn3r was just as laughable.
Either the bios is overvolting the NB and/or the tiny heatsink is inadequete and/or these mobos have faulty wiring/construction that is causing this extreme heat.
As a last resort, I'll be forced to void my warranty :( and use thermal adhesive to hold the Zalman NB-F47 chipset cooler in place.
Thanks in advance.
pEACe
HT
You can improvise with 40mm, 50mm or even 60 mm X 12mm fan and place it on top Northbridge heatsink. I dont like noise, so i divert some airflowfrom my Scythe Mugen2 tower cooler. I used paper,scissors,ruler,sellotape,and insulating tape.
The temps are acceptable now, I can hold my finger on NB without burn.
Here are pictures:
https://www.imageshost.eu/image/zIS
https://www.imageshost.eu/image/zId
https://www.imageshost.eu/image/zIt
Hint: If you use AMD stock cooler, you wouldn't have those issues with high NB temps and hot VRM's , because stock CPU cooler blows air BOTH ON CPU AND SOCKET SURROUNDINGS. But, stock cpu cooler performance is crap, i don't use them since 2006.
My specs:
Gigabyte 970A-DS3P
AMD FX 6300 @ 4.4 GHz
12GB RAM
Gigabyte Radeon R9 280 OC 3072 MB GDDR5
Everybody are welcome to join my Facebook group Overclocked Caffe
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1532630213633043/
Cheers!
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I HAVE GA-970A-DS3P MOTHERBOARD, AND THE NORTH BRIDGE HEAT SINK IS TOTALLY VERY HOT, WHEN IN IDLE STATE...... IT STAYS 66-70 DEGREE CELCIUS... PLEASE SOME ONE HELP ME,,,, VERY HOT