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GA-X58A-UD3R electrical noises [solved]

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Re: GA-X58A-UD3R electrical noises
« Reply #510 on: August 24, 2010, 10:53:30 pm »
Don't worry you are not the first to jump to the wrong conclusion. At least you had the sense to check and were big enough to admit your mistake. ;)
No harm done.
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Re: GA-X58A-UD3R electrical noises
« Reply #511 on: August 28, 2010, 04:26:48 am »
Hello dears,

I have installed the fvb bios for x58a ud3r rev1, and i still have noises around the cpu.
We're waiting for the solution from gigabyte.

Kind regards,

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Re: GA-X58A-UD3R electrical noises
« Reply #512 on: August 28, 2010, 10:31:54 am »
Yes I am afraid that none of the BIOS updates have been a complete success so far which is making me wonder if it is indeed possible to cure this problem by software controll. I think it would have happened by now and if that is the case Gigabyte should be upfront about it and come clean.
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Re: GA-X58A-UD3R electrical noises
« Reply #513 on: August 28, 2010, 03:28:04 pm »
In this thread I read that to disable C1E & Eheist will reduce noise. Where do these settings appear in teh Bios.
I have F5 bios and I cannot find these settings.

I have read some of this thread and found changing Vcore from auto to normal helps but I am curious what this setting does and ask should not all teh auto settings for voltage now be set to normal?

I am new to this.

I have a new Gigabyte GA X58a-ud3r board with i7-930 and noise is slight espeially since changing to XMP  memory setting and Vcore to Normal.

What I am dissapointed with is general speed its not much faster if any than my dual core e5400 chip gigabyte G41 es2l board pc . Is there test facilities to prove install and speed is correct and all eight threads are used.
Also how do you make sute the chipset drivers are loaded where in the registry are they stored?
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Re: GA-X58A-UD3R electrical noises
« Reply #514 on: August 28, 2010, 04:29:09 pm »
OK I am learning now
I have found the C1E setting and disabled it and the noise has gone.

Setting Vcore voltage to Normal and disabling C1E has worked for me no noise.

Strangley changing all voltage settings to normal stopped the system booting into windows it would open to the logon screen then try to open and get the desktop then reboot.
Changing all the voltages back to Auto except Vcore made it work again. Quite why is not yet understood?

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Re: GA-X58A-UD3R electrical noises
« Reply #515 on: August 28, 2010, 04:42:08 pm »
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Strangley changing all voltage settings to normal stopped the system booting into windows

That is because just changing the setting from "auto" to "normal" isn't enough, you then need to manually configure the settings.

The C1E and EIST etc are all power saving modes and by stopping the computer from accessing them means that the power doesn't fluctuate through the coils as much and stays high. This makes for a steadier state and hence less noise.
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Re: GA-X58A-UD3R electrical noises
« Reply #516 on: August 28, 2010, 04:48:21 pm »
Not knowing what to configure them to is the problem, its a case of where do you learn this.

So far the noise is gone and the system is seemingly running ok.

I am full of questions so I will ad dmore to this forum shortly.
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Re: GA-X58A-UD3R electrical noises
« Reply #517 on: August 28, 2010, 04:58:40 pm »
The best way to learn all that you need to know is to read through the threads on this forum. Most of your questions will have been already on there.
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Re: GA-X58A-UD3R electrical noises
« Reply #518 on: August 29, 2010, 11:32:39 pm »
Being a motherboard repairer, and a big Gigabyte fan, I thought I'd offer some insight. The squealing and whistling people are hearing is harmonic distortion, or crosstalk. It's the CPU VRM (Voltage Regulator Modules) making the noise. The VRM's are made up of capacitors, ferrite chokes, and other components, all the amazing circuitry you see around the CPU socket, and the noises means they're running out of frequency because they're either:

A) Faulty

If they're faulty this would explain the noise. Remember the big faulty capacitor headlines when a Taiwanese capacitor firm stole an incomplete electrolyte formula? I'm still replacing these nearly ten years later. They were electrolytic, not solid state like most GB boards today, but faults still happen and get missed in batches.

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B) Recieving too much or not enough power

This can be down to the PSU as some have reported. Taking voltages down in the BIOS cures it in some cases. Harmonic distortion happens normally too. I repair TV's and all sorts of consumer equipment, and I have TV's whose PSU's whistle faintly while the TV is off, when switched on the whistling disappears. My 16" TV for the Xbox 360 does it, when the room is quiet and the TV in Standby it gets annoying. It's just the way high frequency voltage supplies work, and not necessarily a fault. VRM's are a critical part of a motherboard, the power has to be filtered and smoothed so it is perfect. The PSU is the first step to this, as here's what it does:

    * Voltage conversion – changing the 115/230 VAC line voltage into one or more other voltages as determined by application.
    * Rectification – turning the AC into DC.
    * Filtering – smoothing the ripple of the rectified voltage(s).
    * Regulation – making the output voltage(s) independent of line and load variations.
    * Isolation – separating the supply outputs from any direct connection to the AC line.

The CPU VRM's do a lot of smoothing, the capacitors and chokes are responsible, it also converts the 12v into the 1-5v a CPU needs, and distributes the rest around the system. They still should NOT hum, whistle or buzz, as they're DC-DC converters. I think Gigabyte are being ignorant, and I'm disappointed, I thought your QA guys tackled things head on!! I read just 5 pages of this thread!

This doesn't give a definitive answer, but I hope it's given the less tech savvy people an insight to just how important VRM's and PSU's are. I use a EX58-UD3R, and have no problems. My PSU whistles and hums while off, but I turn the mains off!

It won't be the CPU, otherwise Intel will have noticed faults in the batches and put out a recall, or possibly kept quiet because they don't want their rep damaging. A faulty CPU could cause hum, but the machine would crash a lot more.
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Re: GA-X58A-UD3R electrical noises
« Reply #519 on: August 29, 2010, 11:42:45 pm »
Excellent explantion Tidosho  ;) Very interestingly put and easy for the uninitiated in electronics to understand. I think the part about the too much or too little power is quite correct and this is why by disabling C1E and the other power saving settings and keeping the load up high the noise tends to disappear in most cases.
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Re: GA-X58A-UD3R electrical noises
« Reply #520 on: August 30, 2010, 02:45:38 pm »
From my experience it seems to be mostly the changes in voltage fed to the cpu (or the resulting change in current or power?), I currently have all C-states turned on and the cpu set to constant 1,0v (it reads as 0,98v) and no noise whatsoever. When the cpu was set to auto the voltage changed between 0,98v and about 1,2v (between idle and load), which resulted in really loud noise (I have a 450w chieftec gps-450aa-101a) but when I launched anything that loaded one core to 100% (I didn't check what happens with less than 100% since that's a bit more problematic) the sound was completely gone. Since just working at 0.98v can't be the cause of the sound I'm assuming it's the change of voltage that causes it, while that might seem to imply that the noise should be gone in complete idle when the voltage is 0,98, it's important to remember that there are no really longer periods of idle as the cpu will be waked up at least a few times per second (on my current linux it's about 1000 per second) which could cause very rapid changes in voltage, then again I'd think that changing voltage is too slow to react this fast so this theory might be worthless;p. Alternatively (I'm just guessing without any knowledge) it might be that the voltage regulating logic has certain parameters, and when it's set to operate at between 1 and 1,2v these parameters (due to limits of the logic, physics, whatever) cause noise at the 1v, but when it's set to operate at constant 1v the parameters are different and don't cause noise. Oh btw I think that a newer bios (I'm on F6n) significantly lowered the noise for me when on auto voltage, though still not to an acceptable level. I haven't done much testing since setting the voltage remedies the problem for me, although I still sign-up if gigabyte decides to replace the faulty motherboards for fixed versions;)

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Strangley changing all voltage settings to normal stopped the system booting into windows it would open to the logon screen then try to open and get the desktop then reboot.
If you have the memory set to a higher frequency than 1066, you need higher voltage for the memory and qpi/something (if i'm not mistaken), I'm not sure but if you set it to normal it might be the low normal and not the normal from the xmp profile of the memory modules. I just set the cpu voltage to something and leave the rest at auto.

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Re: GA-X58A-UD3R electrical noises
« Reply #521 on: September 05, 2010, 03:57:11 pm »
hi.
i just build my new setup.
 
i7 930 with Corsair h50
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and I'm getting this noise when ever i enter a 3d game or something that is CPU intensive and the noise is definitely coming from the CPU area of the Mb.
the computer was running fine for 2 days then this noise came out of nowhere also I'm experiencing audio stuttering, blue screens and games are freezing
 
should i just return the Mb to the retailer or? i live in Iceland so.
« Last Edit: September 05, 2010, 07:14:46 pm by Davian »

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Re: GA-X58A-UD3R electrical noises
« Reply #522 on: September 05, 2010, 04:01:48 pm »
It sounds like a latency problem. Try running DPC Latency checker and see what readings you get. You will propbably find that there are some well into the red.
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Re: GA-X58A-UD3R electrical noises
« Reply #523 on: September 05, 2010, 06:30:19 pm »
nothing red. just this noise from the motherboard now
It sounds like a latency problem. Try running DPC Latency checker and see what readings you get. You will propbably find that there are some well into the red.

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Re: GA-X58A-UD3R electrical noises
« Reply #524 on: September 05, 2010, 06:40:38 pm »
Can you post a screenshot of the dpclatency display when you are doing something that makes the audio splutter etc?
« Last Edit: September 05, 2010, 07:20:58 pm by Dark Mantis »
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