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Weird 3800X Boost behaviour on x470 gaming 7 (rev1.1) F40 vs F41C BIOS

Dear Gigabyte and forum users,

This is more or less a report of my very odd findings regarding the boostclocks in F40 vs F41c bios.

First of all, I bought a 3800x to pair it with a X470 Gaming 7 and a nice set of B-Die 3600c17. The motherboard came with The Zen 2 Supporting F40 bios with AGESA 1002. To my surprise and in contrary to the findings of reviewers and overclockers like 'Der 8auer', Gamers Nexus e.a.' the reported boostclocks surpassed the 'advertized' 4500Mhz boostclocks with ease! More rule than exception: 4550Mhz reported in HWinfo64. THIS WAS OUT OF THE BOX!! In short, i was a very happy man for sure! *The B-die did a great job too by the way.. 3733 c17 to start off with no problem at all (stock volt for now.)






I knew there was a newer bios, so after installing F41c i started testing again. To my disappointment the magical 4550Mhz boostclocks were gone. I did nothing else than Optimized defaults -> flashing -> Optimized defaults -> setup Ram + timings -> Boot again... Not a Khz above 4400Mhz..

So the new bios hampered the chip by a 150Mhz?  In my case is a repeatable issue. (or is it a 'feature' :P ) Of course i reverted the flashing sequence and am now back @ bios 1.40. And my healthy 4550Mhz boostclocks are back. What is going on here? Obviously the F40 bios id doing the better job, but apparently nobody knows? And what are my disadvantages with not having AGESA 1003AB?

Let me state i'm quite an experienced PC user and overclocker, and testing (my own) hardware extensively is my second nature. My knowledge and understanding of the basics of PC hardware is fine, so any indepth comment/reply is welcome. (tho im a former Intel user, i understand the basics of Ryzen OC (PBO/XFR) enough) 
« Last Edit: July 20, 2019, 04:06:24 am by jpmillman »

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Greetings,
The forums are not moderated or reviewed by Gigabyte staff.  They are user to user.

This should be reported to support if you wish. 
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Greetings,
The forums are not moderated or reviewed by Gigabyte staff.  They are user to user.

This should be reported to support if you wish.

PLease show me the way where to report it? On the other hand, i posted this for the end-user too! it might come in handy ;)

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Why reporting a minor beta bios issue?
All Bios with an letter extension like F41c are beta hence not perfect.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2019, 01:08:29 am by AgentFXA »
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Agent FXA, (Hope you are well)  8)
Since you mentioned it.  I actually felt the same.  150Mhz is not worth the effort as it will not yield any measurable real world  performance gains.  But I've found that people who buy AMD to overclock are very sensitive and prideful about their benchmarks.  Which is why I told jpmillman he could report if he wished. 

I haven't seriously OC'ed a processor in years.  Don't have the time, patience or desire.  All of my machines do exactly what I need them to.  Have more than what's listed in my sig.  Most important is stability.  I'm still all air, but will finally do water on my next build.  All of my gaming is on Xbox One now. 
« Last Edit: July 25, 2019, 04:19:31 am by shadowsports »
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Agent FXA, (Hope you are well)  8)
Since you mentioned it.  ....

Yes, thx Shadow, I am well and kicking..  and sounds like we're of same attitude towards the overclocking mania!
The 150Mhz are really not worth it ... I agree!

For the OP, GByte now posted a F41 bios without c hence the real thing...




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Weird 3800X Boost behaviour on x470 gaming 7 rev1 1 F40 vs F41C BIOS
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2019, 05:58:15 am »
I had a quick look at the wiki, I believe that the last editor of that page made a mistake and actually listed out the VOLUME totals, and not the WARE totals.

 

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