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TPM on bios / chip or both HELP
« on: September 03, 2021, 02:12:01 pm »
Hi.
A question about TPM.
My X299 Mobo Aorus Master have bios TPM enabled in Bios so is W11 Ready.
I don't understand why there is a TPM module plug onboard also . Is a missense. ( two TPM ?) one in Bios    one  onboard ?

Someone can explain me  ?


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Re: TPM on bios / chip or both HELP
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2021, 01:40:08 am »
Greetings,
"TPM" stands for Trusted Platform Module in computing.

Right now the jury is still out regarding what MS will or won't require for Windows 11  support.

Early predictions...   you'll need new hardware
Then... a BIOS update will be made available that will satisfy TPM / Windows 11 requirements
Now...  its still unknown what the requirement will be

Also note that MS has said there will also be a minimum CPU generation that will support Windows 11

At the moment what will be required still hasn't been defined or published, but things are slowly taking shape. 

If you do end up needing a TPM add on module, yours will be a 12 pin. 

https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/GC-TPM20_S#ov

I provided a link to this article previously.  It also describes what Gigabyte might do if the requirement can be met with a BIOS update.  It also includes info for minimum CPU requirements (AMD / Intel ) for W11 support. 

https://www.gigabyte.com/Press/News/1925

Some of the links in the above article aren't in english...

Try this one:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications

Running TPM.msc from a Run dialog cn provide more info about your system:



Keep an eye out, MS has not published the full requirements as yet.  I'd hold of buying a chip until you know its required...  and don't pay more that $25 for it if it is.   
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Re: TPM on bios / chip or both HELP
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2021, 06:07:47 pm »
Some additional info:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-11-microsoft-stands-firm-on-hardware-requirements/#ftag=MSF97b2187

Proposed loophole for older hardware:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-leaves-a-loophole-for-those-wanting-to-run-windows-11-on-unsupported-hardware/#ftag=MSF97b2187

The above is absolutely ridiculous. Manually install W11 on unsupported hardware and MS won't give you hardware or security updates.  The is like continuing to use W7 which is EoL.  This puts you as a user and your data at risk.  Why would anyone want to consider this as a viable option.  Its a dead end.  Windows 10 will be officially supported through Oct. 2025 

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Re: TPM on bios / chip or both HELP
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2021, 07:12:55 am »
Just to add a little note:

I do not have a TPM module but my motherboard does have a TPM 2.0 header. As an experiment I downloaded and ran the Windows 11 compatibility checker (updated and latest version from the Windows insider program) yesterday.

With the TPM disabled in BIOS the checker said my PC would run Windows 11 but there was an amber flag next to the TPM. I then enabled TPM in BIOS and ran the tool again. this time it said everything was OK.

So, from this I would think that, at the moment, the hardware has to be TPM capable for Windows 11 but, that you don't have to have an actual TPM Module physically installed.

The big problem is that Microsoft have not made any clear statements and have muddied the waters by their knee jerk reactions, when questions have been asked. Even the original compatibility checker had to be taken offline, soon after they released it, as it was not working correctly and failed too many capable machines. How are we supposed to know what is going to work if even Microsoft, at this late stage, don't!
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Re: TPM on bios / chip or both HELP
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2021, 10:45:45 pm »
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The big problem is that Microsoft have not made any clear statements and have muddied the waters by their knee jerk reactions, when questions have been asked. Even the original compatibility checker had to be taken offline, soon after they released it, as it was not working correctly and failed too many capable machines. How are we supposed to know what is going to work if even Microsoft, at this late stage, don't!

I have said right from the day Microsoft came out with windows 11. That Microsoft would change their mind to what would run windows 11. That you would need TPM to work to run windows 11.

When windows 10 came out they tried to make people run secure boot. They fell fat on their face with that one. I have always said Microsoft has always tried to make it on what software you can run. Over 80% of the people in the world can't run 11 on what Microsoft was trying to do. 

I was a Microsoft Partner for almost 15 yrs. I drop their program this yr. Because they are making you jump through hoops to be in the program. 
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