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X670 Aorus Elite AX 7800X3D

X670 Aorus Elite AX 7800X3D
« on: March 21, 2024, 09:07:20 pm »
Hello.
I have to admit I'm confused.
I purchased a upgrade a few days ago of a 7800X3D, X670 Aorus Elite AX (revision 1.0), 64 gigs of G.Skill 6000 at cl-30 RAM.
The board came with F9 bios.
I tested the board, CPU and RAM all with this F9 bios to make sure all was working as it should.
Later, I updated the bios to F22b, the system was quite a bit slower with all the same bios settings and benchmarks being used.
I then tried F21 (last non beta bios) and same thing, the system was slow as compared to the F9 bios, I tried this for a couple days, it was stable but slower. I got fed up and returned to F9 bios to get the extra speed I was getting originally.
My question is this......
Is it normal for updated bios to slow the system down, shouldn't newer be faster? Am I doing something wrong?
I do have a curve optimize of -30 (all cores) on all bios I tried, F9 is still noticeably faster than F21 and F22b.
The rest of my system consists of the following.
PSU = Seasonic Vertex 1200 watt
GPU = Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC
Boot = Samsung 980 (with heat sink) NVME (PCIe 4)
CPU Cooler = Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360mm
Case = Phanteks Enthoo Pro, 200mm fan front intake, 140mm bottom intake, 140mm rear exhaust.
Various other MVME and SATA SSDs and one 2tb HDD.
Monitor = 43inch Hisense 4k TV (I don't play games on this monitor, VR instead)
Windows 10 (22H2) with all updates
 
VR = Reverb G2v2, this system was built for VR
 
Any help or insight anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated since for the life of me cannot figure why newer bios'es are slower. LOL
 
Regards: Jack
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Re: X670 Aorus Elite AX 7800X3D
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2024, 07:14:05 pm »
Ok Why did you update the bios because it was there. If you were not having any problems then why did you update it. The bios updates are there for people having problems. Not to update when everything working fine!!!

This is right from them:

Warning:
Because BIOS flashing is potentially risky, if you do not encounter problems using the current version of BIOS, it is recommended that you not flash the BIOS. To flash the BIOS, do it with caution. Inadequate BIOS flashing may result in system malfunction.

One thing you can try is contact support and tell them what happen. They might be able to help or maybe tell the same thing don't update the bios unless you are having a problem.

I'm not trying Smart Ass, but any time you update anything like the Bios or drivers you can have problems.


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« Last Edit: March 22, 2024, 07:14:36 pm by dmdilks »
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Re: X670 Aorus Elite AX 7800X3D
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2024, 03:33:50 pm »
Hello.
Agreed, flashing bios can lead to unfortunate events.
When I purchased this board / CPU/ RAM, the shop offered to mount the CPU and RAM and test them to make sure all was well, they also mentioned they would update the bios for the board. (This way if something went wrong they can't say I screwed something up mounting the CPU). Otherwise I'd rather do it myself.
Once I fired up the system and looked at the Gigabyte site for this MB, I saw they hadn't updated the MB bios.
So After messing with the old bios (F9) for a while and running a few benchmarks, I decided to update the bios (F22b then F21) thinking it could improve things (especially speed), I was wrong, new bios was a bit slower so I rolled back to F9. System took all the bios changes well with no problems caused.
I use this system for VR only, for sim racing and also MSFS 2020, I use a Reverb G2v2 which is a higher res headset so it requires a lot of horsepower to drive it (3160 x 3092 per eye). So every little bit of extra speed I can get out of the system really helps in VR since the comfort zone is 90hz in VR (when frame rates jump up and down, it can cause discomfort (nausea)).
So I assumed new bios, better speed..... WRONG!!!! LOL
So now, I am happy with running the old F9 bios, the system has been rock solid.
Thank you for your concern however, I am quite happy to experiment with various bios and so on to get the best performance I can. I am 65 years of age and have been messing with computers since the early 80's.
I've not yet messed a system up by changing bios version on any motherboard (be it Asus, MSI or Gigabyte), maybe I've been lucky! LOL
Take care
 
Regards: Jack
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Re: X670 Aorus Elite AX 7800X3D
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2024, 01:27:28 pm »
I'm 71 and I have been using. building and repairing computers for the early 80"s too. I learn many yrs ago:  "If it isn't broke don't fix it". I don't update nothing unless I'm having a problem. Been there, done that, and move on from it.
X299X Aorus Master, i9-9940x-3.30Ghz, 64gb G-Skill DDR4-2400, MSI RTX-3070 8GB, Cooler Master case, Thermal-take PSU 850w, 1-M2-NMVe SSD-512gb, 3-Pny 1TB SSD, 2-WD Raptors 1TB, Win 10 pro 64bit, Asus 35" 144Mhz Monitor.

Re: X670 Aorus Elite AX 7800X3D
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2024, 06:35:25 pm »
I'm 71 and I have been using. building and repairing computers for the early 80"s too. I learn many yrs ago:  "If it isn't broke don't fix it". I don't update nothing unless I'm having a problem. Been there, done that, and move on from it.

Hi Dmdilks.
Nice to see another senior gent in these forums. LOL
I cannot believe how far these PCs have come from the days of having to plan out IRQs (dip switches on the cards) and DMA channels! LOL In a sense, it's better now but I still miss the days of hard setting devices like in the past, this way, stuff stayed put. LOL
Agreed with the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" I guess my hope when I see a new available bios is it will makes things better and faster, unfortunately, this is not always the case. Being into hi Res VR Sims, I need all the horsepower and speed I can muster. So back to F9 bios I went! :)
Take care and have a wonderful week.
 
Regards: Jack
I can't remember the last time I remembered something.