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GA-785GMT-USB3: USB Boot Problems

Re: GA-785GMT-USB3: USB Boot Problems
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2010, 04:16:27 pm »
You should be able to find the latest drivers on the TweakTown Forum. I know they have a driver archive for older drivers too which can be handy aty times.

Regarding the formatting of the USB drives you are of couse correct it's just that I didn't think anyone used FAT16 any more ;)

FYI, there doesn't appear to be any Beta BIOS for the GA-785GMT-USB3.  I've searched TweakTown ad found only 16 some odd posts concerning it.  None relating to my specific problem.

Re: GA-785GMT-USB3: USB Boot Problems
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2010, 04:18:49 pm »
I've made some headway!  It seems (presumably) the F3 BIOS is very, very picky about how the drive is prepared.  Following most of the instructions I found here, http://kmwoley.com/blog/?p=345, I was able to boot from the USB Flash drive.  However, instead of formatting the drive as NTFS, I formatted it as FAT32.  I also didn't actually copy the contents of a Windows Vista/7 DVD onto the drive.  Of course that meant I only got an error about "BOOTMGR is missing", but I was able to boot.

My best guess is the BIOS for some reason doesn't like the boot sectors generated by the other methods I've tried.  Now I have to figure out if there are any other methods to make Linux boot from USB Flash drives in a way that my BIOS will be happy with, or if I have to figure out how to boot Linux from Microsoft's Windows Boot Manager.  Either way, I'll post what I learn here.

I suppose I should also try rolling back my BIOS version to F2 and/or F1 and see if this problem is unique to F3...
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Re: GA-785GMT-USB3: USB Boot Problems
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2010, 04:21:52 pm »
Yes if you have the will to live still ;) It would be interesting to see if it is specific to F3. At least now you seem to be winning.
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Re: GA-785GMT-USB3: USB Boot Problems
« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2010, 04:30:54 pm »
“In mathematics you don't understand things. You just get used to them.”

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Re: GA-785GMT-USB3: USB Boot Problems
« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2010, 06:39:59 pm »
Until recently, I hadn't had the spare time to experiment.  Now that I have, the situation is even more confusing...  Or perhaps I should say mysterious.

As I said, I was able to use approximately the method here, http://kmwoley.com/blog/?p=345, to get the 64MB Flash drive to boot.  I was also able to get the 2GB Flash drive to boot using almost the same method.  I stopped short of copying Microsoft's Boot Manager in the 2GB drive's case.  The interesting thing is that now, no matter what method I use (Linux Live USB Creator, UBCD, UNetbbotin, or the Universal USB Installer), both Flash drives boot.  I haven't been able to test if this is an F3 specific issue, yet.  Now that both drives I've been using for testing boot regardless of the method used to prepare them; I'm unable to determine if the problem is revision specific.  

Another interesting wrinkle that I didn't notice until after making the Flash drives bootable (with DISKPART) is that both Flash drives appear as '"H"ard "D"isk "D"rive(s)' from within Q-Flash as opposed to "Floppy" drives.  Previously I chalked this up Q-Flash employing floppy emulation (i.e. CD boot disks).  Especially since Q-Flash correctly reported the capacities of both drives even as 'floppies'.

From these experiences, I've come to the conclusion that the GA-785GMT-USB3's BIOS is not picky about the bootloader per se.  But the BIOS is picky about the active status on the Flash drives and/or the partition table when using any other method to create them than Microsoft's DISKPART.  Right now, I suspect it's the partition table (or lack thereof) that is the key to this dilemma.  I guess my next step is to wipe the partition table on one or the other drive and see if that has any affect.  If that fails to 'reset' the drives to a non-bootable state, I'll have to scrounge up some more test drives.


I may leave this topic go dormant for a while...  Figuring out this puzzle has lost some of its urgency, if you know what I mean? ;D  Nevertheless, I'll be back with my findings eventually.
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Re: GA-785GMT-USB3: USB Boot Problems
« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2010, 07:04:38 pm »
Ah, welcome to the club. We can always use another tester prepared to take on a challenge.  :D

Some things that you might like to consider.
It seems as if some USB drives will not work in QFlash.
The smaller the USB drive the more chance of it working.
I have never done anything with my USB drives except for formatting them in FAT32 prior to using them for QFlash.

Don't know how this will affect your research but as they say: "All information is useful".
Remember, when all else fails a cup of tea and a good swear will often help! It won't solve the problem but it will make you feel better.

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Re: GA-785GMT-USB3: USB Boot Problems
« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2010, 08:47:45 pm »
Just to add alittle bit more to what absic has just said, I have booted with all different sizes of drive from less than 64Mb to 16GB and only ever formatted them using windows to FAT16 or FAT32. So far I have not had a problem with them being recognised. Maybe this is because all have been formatted through Windows. If you need any more information for your testing feel free to contact me.
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Re: GA-785GMT-USB3: USB Boot Problems
« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2010, 11:59:28 am »
« Last Edit: October 13, 2010, 12:23:22 pm by absic »

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Re: GA-785GMT-USB3: USB Boot Problems
« Reply #38 on: October 31, 2010, 02:57:42 pm »
From these experiences, I've come to the conclusion that the GA-785GMT-USB3's BIOS is not picky about the bootloader per se.  But the BIOS is picky about the active status on the Flash drives and/or the partition table when using any other method to create them than Microsoft's DISKPART.  Right now, I suspect it's the partition table (or lack thereof) that is the key to this dilemma.  I guess my next step is to wipe the partition table on one or the other drive and see if that has any affect.  If that fails to 'reset' the drives to a non-bootable state, I'll have to scrounge up some more test drives.


I may leave this topic go dormant for a while...  Figuring out this puzzle has lost some of its urgency, if you know what I mean? ;D  Nevertheless, I'll be back with my findings eventually.


Did you find a solution?
I have your same problem ("Boot Error") with a JetFlashTranscend 4GB and a GA-8902FXA-UD5.
I don't need and don't want to install Windows 7 or Vista, I would like to have a bootable pendrive with a iso linux image.
I used unetbootin to create the thumb.
I have also tried Linux Live USB Creator, but with the same sad result...
I think it's a problem of Gigabyte motherboards or their drivers, because I never had similar problems with other brands.
I'm sure the usb flash drive is bootable, I  tested it on another computer.
« Last Edit: October 31, 2010, 02:59:05 pm by ciao »
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Re: GA-785GMT-USB3: USB Boot Problems
« Reply #39 on: October 31, 2010, 03:10:18 pm »
There is an issue booting with certain USB pendrives. If possible use the smallest drive you can as this seems to increase the chances of success.
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Re: GA-785GMT-USB3: USB Boot Problems
« Reply #40 on: October 31, 2010, 03:40:21 pm »
There is an issue booting with certain USB pendrives. If possible use the smallest drive you can as this seems to increase the chances of success.

Smaller then a 4GB drive? Wow...
I'm really surprised. Is 'it possible that a last generation motherboard has problems so silly?
I hope they close this issue soon, because I've seen many posts like this surfing google and many of them are long-standing...
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Re: GA-785GMT-USB3: USB Boot Problems
« Reply #41 on: October 31, 2010, 03:43:55 pm »
To be honest I have not heard anything about this being worked on but that doesn't mean that it's not. :-\
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Re: GA-785GMT-USB3: USB Boot Problems
« Reply #42 on: December 29, 2010, 08:22:42 pm »
(See end of post for known problems!)

Thanks to this thread and others, I was able to get one 2GB USB drive working and booting.

1. start > run > cmd (with admin rights!)

2. diskpart

sel disk 1
clean
cre par pri
active
format fs=fat32 quick
exit

3. syslinux -d /boot/syslinux f:

(f: is my USB volume letter)

Bingo. USB drive that boots any OS under F8 and F9 bios revisions, and probably others.


Btw, all the guides about using syslinux tell you to use the switches "-mad", but in order to work with Gigabyte boards just the "-d" is necessary. Diskpart handles the functionality of the "-a" and "-m" switches.

== Now for a problem that I can't fix! ==

If your USB disk has a NULL "Friendly Name" (you can find this in device manager in Windows device manager, in device properties > details > Friendly Name), the GA-MA785 board will crash (with flashing text).

Seems that a bit of code in the bios expects all devices to have a Friendly Name, and a device which doesn't causes a hard crash. Q-Flash doesn't care, however. The USB device without a friendly name can still be used for a bios update. It is detected in Q-Flash as  HD 1 0.

Hope this extra info helps!
« Last Edit: December 29, 2010, 08:24:18 pm by k9wazere »

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Re: GA-785GMT-USB3: USB Boot Problems
« Reply #43 on: December 29, 2010, 11:08:02 pm »
Thanks for the update. Hopefully it might help someone else in the future. ;)
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Re: GA-785GMT-USB3: USB Boot Problems
« Reply #44 on: December 30, 2010, 06:59:38 am »
But with Grub4Dos still fails...