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Re: P55 Mobos CPU sensor problem
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2010, 10:52:12 pm »
Browsing was an example..it happened also while listening to music on kmplayer, etc.

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Re: P55 Mobos CPU sensor problem
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2010, 10:57:40 pm »
Have you tried running DPC Latency Checker to make sure you don't have a problem with that.


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Re: P55 Mobos CPU sensor problem
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2010, 12:11:36 am »
I dd the test. It's all green and yellow, max value 1997 us. I have no idea how that's related.

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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2010, 07:15:54 am »
Ideally it should all be green, so it might be worth investigating further. I would also run it for a long time and see if it gets any worse especially when you have the problems. This is not related to your temp sensor problem but is a seperate problem to do with the short chirps/beeps.
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Re: P55 Mobos CPU sensor problem
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2010, 09:26:42 am »
The DPC latency check had a consistent graph ( I watched for several minutes), with a green range, followed by a yellow spike, and so on. All the spikes were about the same value~2000. Ran it on my laptop and the results were totally different, all green, no spikes. Can you explain what could be the source of this?

Against my better judgement :) I flashed the latest BIOS (F11) with the following results:

With C3/C6 state enabled, in Windows ET6 and HWInfo read an idle CPU temp of 17 degrees, about 20 degrees less than the core temp(~36) and the fan is set at ~500 RPM.

With C3/C6 disabled, the temp is read at ~26 degrees, so core temp -10 and RPM is set at ~800. I had the exact same results with the prevoius MoBo (USB3) with an equivalent Bios date release (F8).

With the original Bios of the UD3 board (F9), both with C3/C6 state enabled/disabled the temps were read at core temp -10 (~26 degrees).

It is clear that the C3/C6 state triggers some weird issues on my system for various reasons. For the moment I keep it disabled on the latest bios version and hope for the best (so far, I didn't encounter the problem with this setting). I will most definitely report  my finds for anyone facing this problem.
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Re: P55 Mobos CPU sensor problem
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2010, 09:54:47 am »
Yes it definitely is weird but I am sure it is down to a badly written BIOS.

As far as the latency goes it is not huge but there obviously is some problem there that is causing it to raise form the normal level. Finding the source of it could be more difficult. The thing is is can be hardware or software that causes it. More usually software as it is normally caused by the badly written code of a driver or something similar that doesn't accesss the core in the proper manner.
You can try going into Device Manager and disabling anything that isnt needed for the system to run. Then enable one at a time checkeing always to see if it has an effect on the latency.
Failing that you can do likewise with Processes in Task Manager.
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Re: P55 Mobos CPU sensor problem
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2010, 09:58:14 am »
Badly written by Gigabyte , I presume.

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« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2010, 10:00:46 am »
Yes, I'm afraid so. Gigabyte write all their own BIOSes the same as other motherboard manufacturers.
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« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2010, 10:18:11 am »
LOL I knew that..it was just a language confusion because in my native language we refer sometimes to "flashing" a BIOS as "writing it", and for a moment I believed you suggested it was a bad BIOS flash. :)

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« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2010, 10:24:57 am »
Oh no. ;) It can be confusing at times with the different languages. It' suprising that there are not more errors really. ;D
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« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2010, 08:13:21 am »
Well, after some e-mail ping-pong with GGTS i informed them about the problem and they sent me their latest BIOS (F13b - beta) for testing. However, since I didn't encounter the problem anymore with the latest official BIOS (F11) and C3/C6 state disabled, I'm not gonna do the update until it gets official.
I made this post to inform everybody that IMO disabling C3/C6 state could be a solution for anyone who encounters this problem, and also someone reported on another thread that he got the same issue after a Bios update and solved it by clearing CMOS and loading optimized defaults.
It is good to know that Gigabyte is still updating the BIOS for this board (I still have a problem with my Razer Abyssus mouse that isn't detected correctly sometimes  - buttons work but no movement - until I shutdown and unplug the system). If anyone is interested (for various reasons) to test the latest beta BIOS Gigabyte provided for my problem, I can send it via mail or post an upload link here, if it's not against any policy.

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« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2011, 08:32:11 pm »
To keep it simple: on 2 Gigabyte mobos running an I5 760 I got the same issue: after a random period of time, the CPU sensor on the motherboard gets "stuck" to an erroneus value (-35 to 0 degrees Celsius, read in BIOS). This causes the CPU FAN (which is set to auto in BIOS) to drop to the minimal RPM...

I have the same problem on Gigabyte P55A-UD3. After a long reliable use (6 months) has twice changed the CPU temperature in BIOS on the negative - 20 ° C. An automatic reduction of the minimum fan speed and CPU load. After switching off and turning on the PC shows the temperature well again. I'm afraid it will destroy the CPU overheating, because the BIOS controls the speed of the CPU fans with nonsensical temperature values. Has anyone found a solution to the problem?

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Re: P55 Mobos CPU sensor problem
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2011, 08:39:15 pm »
Hi

It might also be worth taking out a ticket with GGTS because that way they will know there is still a problem and they also might be able to help you fix it.
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Re: P55 Mobos CPU sensor problem
« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2011, 10:59:49 am »
Boglav, DM,

This is by no means an isolated problem! It's not confined to the P55-USB3 and the P55-UD3, because I get this happening with my P55-US3L. The reported CPU temperature starts off as something quite sensible but then after a random period it starts showing figures like +3 degrees C, 0 degrees C, -20 degrees C.

As you know, DM, I have even worse problems with my board, but I nonetheless reported this particular one to GGTS several weeks ago as an aside to the others. They made no comment on it whatever and I've had no feedback from them at all on it.

I myself found that experimenting with the power-reducing settings of C1E, C3/C6/C7, EIST, or turning off the CPU temperature monitoring had absolutely no affect on this. This may differ from board model to board model, though.

So, boglav, you've been somewhat wasting your time, looking for a cause elsewhere. It's pretty obvious that this is a BIOS fault, or at least highly related to the BIOS. It's as plain as the nose on your face. And I guess that what's happened - and this must have taken place a good while ago - is that Gigabyte have taken a core BIOS and applied it across a range of P55s. Thus, due to odd differences in the BIOSs, the temperature-reporting error pops up on only certain of those models.

I get the impression that GGTS are in denial about it. I suspect they find it highly embarrassing, given that they've made a bit of a mess of adapting the core BIOS to individual boards. But the lack of any purely software-based solution from Gigabyte suggests it might be down to a defective temperature sensor that they've used on the board, and perhaps no amount of tweaking of the BIOS can correct it. If so, then for obvious reasons there won't be a solution forthcoming.

The only sensible workaround is to forget about meddling with those power-saving settings and instead fit manually-driven fan controllers in the PC. At least you'll then be assured that the CPU fan will always be running at the revs at which you set it, irrespective of what the BIOS reckons the CPU core temperature is.

Gigabyte may well have taken a cautious and piece-meal approach to initially finding a solution via the BIOS. But even if a BIOS update were to work, Gigabyte would need to be systematic in updating other BIOSs for the other boards that are known to be affected. Thus far, there's no evidence that they're doing this.

BTW, I'm fairly certain I mentioned this happening with my own board several weeks ago in these forums.

You're not alone in this, boglav. You haven't been imagining it!
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Re: P55 Mobos CPU sensor problem
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2011, 11:18:31 am »
forumjoe, I would suggest following up your original query with GGTS as sometimes things do go astray there and often a second email can get an answer. Certainly worth a try.
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