Kingston ram problems

[Aussie Allan]

  Intel Burn is like Nuking a system...... It's personal....... But I think it's overkill........did you get a look at the temps when it stalled ?

  Aussie Allan

[Ben]

Well guys it seemed you did the impossible, this is the second day running my system & still no crashes. Yippee.
When I say impossible I actually tried a couple of other sites before coming here. You are the only ones to have solved my problem & in a short time as well.
You deserve a pat on the back. I was so close to ditching my ram for 2 4GB sticks.
Thanks again.
Ben.
PS what is the difference between running the multiplier at it's max & having the performance setting at "Turbo or Extreme"?
As at the moment it is at 38x with performance at standard. Is there really any benefit?
Thanks again.
PS. Yes the temps were max 80c.
Ran the test again without a hitch, the animated flame stopped a couple of times but my computer did not lock up.

[Aussie Allan]

   Ben .....where are you in OZ anyway ?

     Glad I/we could help a fellow countrymen ...... Now if you could just get me out of this place by sending me a Qantas ticket ..... it's bloody freezing here during winter ........................ But I can't complain too much, ............. it's only lasts for "NINE MONTHS"  

  Try "Turbo" and check stability ............. there all small,incremental gains ............"Extreme".........I've never had any luck with this setting in the last 5 boards ....... as far as your PS ...... again there's marginal gain ..... but only if it's stable is it of any use

  Every build is different, every CPU is different, .... you just have to tweak these setting on and see if it's still stable and whether there's any performance gains or not, ...... quite often it only shows up in benchmarks or 1 or 2 extra frames at best

  you will get much better performance gains from clocking and/or faster/tighter memory

  Keep in touch

  Aussie Allan

[Ben]

Hey I don't know what your complaining about I am freezing my nuts of here its 20c & raining, South Aussie.
Any back to business, will give the turbo a go.
Will leave out the extreme.
A little more detail regards my system; Case is a Thermaltake Armor+MX, 1 Pioneer DVD r/w, 1 LG Blu Ray r/w, Monitor 27' AOC, 1 WD Blue,1 Terabyte HDD,1 Wd Blue, 500 GB HDD. Plus the 430 GPU which I intend to have upgraded soon, just undecided as to what one.
Will let you know how I get on with the Turbo setting.
Ben.

[Aussie Allan]

  LUXURY!..........this was taken off the UK meteorological office web-site for the UK 

Winter temperatures average 4.4 °C (40 °F )......................

Summer temperatures average about 15.6 °C (60 °F ) ...........

 precipitation regional dependent  , between 700mm to 2000mm PA

  It's warmer in my fridge...   My nuts have perma-frost........

  Keep in touch re tweaking and another little gem......tightening memory timings will have a far bigger impact then raising memory speed

  Aussie Allan

[Ben]

Ran Prime with Turbo on, froze half way through so back to standard.
Any ideas on mem timings?
Plus my Bios has CMD at 2 on A, & 1 on B channel  Should I just leave them alone or have both on 1 or 2? plus what difference does it make if any?
Ben.

[Aussie Allan]

  Hiya Ben

  Here's a ripper of a tutorial I think you're ready for..... long read so book  mark for reference, I have and still open it up probably weekly...

   http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Understanding-RAM-Timings/26

  you have  9-9-9-27 at 1600..........I'll let the tute guide you .........but because you already have 1.7v for memory 7-8-7-22 is possible....but at what Mhz....start with 9-9-8-27 and test....then 9-8-8-27 and so on......and heres another cracker that easy to follow for general clocking written by a Guru.

  Enjoy.......Aussie Allan

[Aussie Allan]

  Hiya Ben

  Here's a ripper of a tutorial I think you're ready for..... long read so book  mark for reference, I have and still open it up probably weekly...

   http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Understanding-RAM-Timings/26

  you have  9-9-9-27 at 1600..........I'll let the tute guide you .........but because you already have 1.7v for memory 7-8-7-22 is possible....but at what Mhz....start with 9-9-8-27 and test....then 9-8-8-27 and so on......and heres another cracker that easy to follow for general clocking written by a Guru.

  Enjoy.......Aussie Allan

  Sorry mate ... forgot to add the link...http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/538439-guide-overclocking-core-i7-920-930-a.html

  Aussie Allan

[Ben]

Thanks for this will do some serious reading here.
Will let you know how I get on.
Ben.

[Ben]

Enjoyed the reading, at lot to take in.
Anyway changed my timings, but should have first written down your recommendations, as it is I put them at 8,9,9,27.
Still works though.
So my changes thus far are;
CPU Vcore 1.340 (auto). VTT 1.225v (man), PLL 1.830v (man), Dram 1.700v (man), XMP off, CLK ratio 42x, Sys Multiplier 16.00, locked at 1600MHz.
Performance enhance = Standard (still having Turbo issues) migth leave it at standard for the now.
BCLK (1000) 100MHz CMD both at T1.
A few more things I am trying to get my head around, Hyper threading, Isochronous & virtualization.
I use my system for Video & photo, transferring,rendering etc, no games.
Thanks again.
Ben.

[Aussie Allan]

 
   Hyper threading, Isochronous & virtualization.

  First one is important for Photo and video editing...... you have say 4 physical cores..... software can make the system (OS/APP) think there 8 cores (4 virtual cores + 4 physical cores ) ..... applications  run faster .... it will reduce your over-clock ceiling, ... but not by very much and out-ways having it turned off (Hyper-threading)

  Second one I won't even go into in detail as I don't understand it that well myself....but what I'm prepared to say, ...  Isochronous Support is the option that enables and disables the lanes between the Northbridge and the Southbridge controllers. Enabling this option allows for multiple data streams of equal size between the two controllers........and Virtualization........Unless you use software that supports it or you want to run W7 and XP at the same time......you don't need it .... or thats my understanding of it anyway......I'm light in this area

  Aussie Allan.....PS   just a shot in the dark, try 8-8-8-24 cross your fingers and see if it runs

[Ben]

HA,HA we must think alike I just changed the settings to ,8,8,8,24.
Plan to leave virtual off.
The only other thing I have changed since last post is I now have XMP on. Multiplier at 34, now reading 3.78MHz.
I am running prime as I type, will let it go for an hour or so.
CPU 100%, Temps: Core 0 t0 3 = 60,60,60,60c fluctuating, Fan 1 =1713, Fan 3 =1316, fan 4 =1264.
For my readings I am using 'Speed Fan' 4.43 &' CPUID' Hardware Monitor, the readings seem to be pretty close to each other 1 or 2 degrees out, 'CPUID' showing the higher temps.
Have noticed that when I used "Intel's" BurnTest I had much higher temps 80c.
So if all goes well I might just leave it as it is.
Must admit this is the longest I have gone without it freezing or turning off.
Ben.

[Aussie Allan]

 Virtual off is good......sound like you don't need it anyway......more stability
  Intel Burn is a stress test I think  not real world.......I have a mate that can crash his system with Intel burn at the highest settings running 3.6.....but he can game all day at 3.9 and edit photos at 4.1.....I have water , and at 60-60-60-60 your system runs tighter then mine...my lowest / highest cores are 52 / 58C

  If it passes at 8-8-8-24 ... very cool for those dimms ..... if you want to press it a bit further..... 8-8-8-22 you never know .... when you think you have a stable clock.....run it over night ..... if it passes .... then it's stable.......3.78 is quite respectable......as your experience increases .... and with 60C temps on load......3.9 will be the next chapter if you're that way inclined ..... spend your time reading up ..... you're now in the area where your exploring the last 5% of what over-clocking is all about .... good for you!

  Aussie Allan

[Ben]

Okay, now running Prime, (small FFT) to begin with this time. System settings are now; Multiplier 42, showing 3.88 on Intel ID, but 4.10 on windows own System?
Also have re set my timings they are now 8,8,8,22.
Regards my temps, I am using only the 1 fan on my Noctua  CPU cooler, it came with 2 fans one to push, the other to pull, I am using the push one at the moment I suppose if I used both my temps would be lower, but by using the one fan my temps are pretty stable.
Temps are hovering mid 60c.
Ben.
PS. Regard your temps, why don't you stick your computer out your window you wouldn't need any fans or coolers, Haha.
At the most a heater.

[Aussie Allan]

  Hiya Ben....Wow, on ya way now!

 A side effect people really don't understand is if you whack on both fans you can lower the fan speed on both fans for the same CFM (Cubic Feet Minute) lowering the DBA (Decibels) quite substantially if you run a manual fan controller.....I recently added two AKASA speed fan controllers that have 3 channels and 2 USB headers .......(Not bad for $14US each).......nice little 3.5" bay mod.......10Watts per channel so I did a little handy wire mod combining 3 fans down to 1x 3 pin connector ........ now I have 6 fans over two controllers for the RAD in push pull and It doesn't sound like a hovercraft anymore

  8-8-8-22 ...... way cool you reached this ..... way better performance then trying to go from 1600 to 1800Mhz by a mile.....no more heat as well

  Thought about using the Arctic conditions that I'm blessed with........ but I hate sitting at the monitor dressed in a -7 one piece ski-suit

  Truthfully though there's some pretty weird people and  setups out here (UK)......know one bloke who has 4" lagged flexible ducting coming into his house ..... through a bedroom......into the lounge room .......suppling his Monster PC.......A year ago his wife gave him an ultimatum of "Me or the PC".......... to bad, ... she was really nice

  Aussie Allan