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Re: AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE
« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2011, 08:58:13 pm »
Seems, boys, you dont like read my posts... For one more time I have to repeat my myself :(
I would get a 975/980 BE instead of that CPU as the unlocking to 6 core  is  based on luck,either due to the motherboard or due ti the CPU.If you really want a six core get one from the supported list.
If a X 4 suffice for what you are doing get one of the ones i proposed as they are good performers and they work with that mobo.
An AM3 CPU will work in a AM3 mobo of course ,but proper BIOS is needed as well as proper hardware TDP support.
Ask Gigabyte for a custom BIOS if needed ,they should be able to do it for you in case it is needed.
Anyway buy the CPU and if it doesnt work return it to the store ,as this should be allowed having in mind you live in a UE country.
Edit: If that PSU is 450 real Watt it will work even with a 125 W TDP CPU .TDP specified is only a theoretical limit ,the CPU -s having usually lower TDP -s in usage than the one specified and thus sucking less power.Easy Saver software from Gigabyte shows the power consumption of the CPU in real time if you need to check out.
I dont want 6 cores anymore, I m not gonna unlock 960T. I prefer 960T because its only 95W. And theres no any other x4 with 95W, plus that 960T is new, cheap, 8MB. Ask gigabyte where? Isnt this the official gigabyte's forum? How is official if noone can help in this simple matter? Has ever happened a same socket with unfitted cpu/mobo? And about psu, ofcouse can accept 125W but I also need low temps, u see theres no any fan in my system, its fully noiseless ;)
No it is not, that is how long it takes for them to reply. If you have ordered a CPU without looking on the compatibility list......then good luck.absic, if you read the comment, has told you to look on the CPU Support List.Why haven't you asked the store/s where you order from first?
Yes, until they reply me I wil receive my mobo. I guess Its normal this mobo not to exist in that board because its new. But you suggest me cancel order? Do you really believe that the store knows more than us? ::)
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Re: AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE
« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2011, 09:00:50 am »
The best choice for you is a Phenom 2 X4 965 BE.
As you say you are needing a 95 W TDP ,get the one with 95 W TDP as there are 2 types of 965 on the market ( 95W and 125W versions).
One more thing ,a 720 BE overclocked or/and unlocked like you use is no more inside what you call a 95 W TDP envelope.

And try to get rid of the bossy attitude ,it will leave your thread without any reply.
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Re: AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE
« Reply #32 on: October 28, 2011, 11:56:15 am »
"I prefer 960T because its only 95W"
HOW many times does it take to tell you there is NO 960T!
It was supposed to never be released to gen public, it was always only going to be OEM.
Then they let a few out to the public and then scrapped it..............

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Re: AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE
« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2011, 12:07:58 pm »
Musicman53:

Actually you can get hold of these processors. In the UK there are several suppliers with stock of them:
http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/11046734/art/amd/phenom-ii-x4-960t-3-ghz-6.html?Partenaire=partner&CodePromo=oui&srcid=867&key=aEYPBDUcaGRUXlIkckQCVH5LRnNYQiIUZ20UMAU0ET58dUN1GRRSWSNRAjByJQo/QHcpLg==

http://www.edock.tv/amd-phenom-ii-x4-960t-3-ghz-6-mb-l3-cache-am3-socket-black-edition-hd96ztwfgrbox.html

http://www.tomsondirect.co.uk/index.php/amd-phenom-ii-x4-960t-3-ghz-6-mb-l3-cache-am3-socket-black-edition-hd96ztwfgrbox.html

agros:
I do understand your frustration at not getting clear answers but although this is an Official Gigabyte Forum as it is hosted, maintained and monitored by them, it is basically overseen by only one person from Gigabyte. The rest of us here are user's, like yourself, who are trying to help. Even though I am a moderator, I do not have any more access to Gigabyte's resources than you do. If I have a question I have to go through the same steps as other user's and wait for replies.
Remember, when all else fails a cup of tea and a good swear will often help! It won't solve the problem but it will make you feel better.

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Re: AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE
« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2011, 02:34:50 pm »
The best choice for you is a Phenom 2 X4 965 BE.
As you say you are needing a 95 W TDP ,get the one with 95 W TDP as there are 2 types of 965 on the market ( 95W and 125W versions).
One more thing ,a 720 BE overclocked or/and unlocked like you use is no more inside what you call a 95 W TDP envelope.

And try to get rid of the bossy attitude ,it will leave your thread without any reply.

In my country there is no any 965 with 95W.
I havent unlocked 720.
I m not the one who call "TDP 95W", its an international term. If I o/c from 2.8ghz to 3.1 how much more is?... Do you know about "cool and quiet"? You remain at 1.1V if cpu doesnt do something serious.

What bossy attitude? I never had such and I dont want receive either. When people avoid my posts and force me to repeat again and again, if I blame those people do I have a bossy attitude? Just read the next quote...

"I prefer 960T because its only 95W"
HOW many times does it take to tell you there is NO 960T!
It was supposed to never be released to gen public, it was always only going to be OEM.
Then they let a few out to the public and then scrapped it..............

I  explained you that there is already in my country, I ordered it for 117€.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2011, 02:36:25 pm by agros »
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Re: AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE
« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2011, 05:44:08 pm »
Keep us informed about how your ordered CPU will behave installed on the board.
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Re: AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE
« Reply #36 on: October 31, 2011, 10:47:11 am »
Well, things now look like strange ???
The store I had ordered from told me that they wont receive it, so order was cancelled.
I talked to another store, they told me on Friday, exept if something change.
I also talked with another 3 stores, one told me next week and the other two told me after 15 or 20 days.
And I was ready to sell 720...

Meanwhile my friend vezina, I see that we have same cpu, same ram, almost same mobo and almost same soundcard(I have X-Fi Extreme Audio pci_xpress) :)
You also have PII 975, maybe I buy that(or 980), is it good? How much wei? How much temp?
« Last Edit: October 31, 2011, 10:58:58 am by agros »
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Re: AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE
« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2011, 09:13:27 pm »

Meanwhile my friend vezina, I see that we have same cpu, same ram, almost same mobo and almost same soundcard(I have X-Fi Extreme Audio pci_xpress) :)
You also have PII 975, maybe I buy that(or 980), is it good? How much wei? How much temp?

The X4 975 CPU has a 7,4 score in W 7.
Both 975 and 980 are quite warm CPU-s.

With the X4 975 BE ,which is used on the 890 GX board ,i have 40-62 Celsius with room temp 25-28 Celsius.

As you can see i am using a Corsair H 60 water cooler ,with a push - pull fan configuration ,exhausting air from inside to outside (opposed to what Corsair recommends).I m using Scythe Gentle Typhoon 120 in my case (very low noise fans)  ,2 for the water cooler ,1 for front intake ,1 for the upside of the case ,all of them tweaked for lowest noise RPM wise.

For my neighbour/friend  i ve used the X 4 980 with a Cooler Master TX 3 ,but it often hits 65 Celsius with only one fan on it which is a little over 62 the CPU max recommended.

I ve avoided in both builds the delivered coolers as the fans are quite annoying at high RPM-s.

For you i would say that  a PII X4 965 95W TDP version would be as nice as the 960 T ,if you find it available ,as if you haven t unlocked that 720 BE you will notice improvements performance wise from the fourth core.

If you happen to have a relative in Romania ,which may be quite possible :) ,you should take the chance and buy the CPU from one of our IT on-line shops somehow.

They also have the CPU you want available here -> hxxp://www.pcgarage.ro/procesoare/amd/phenom-ii-x4-960t-black-edition-30ghz-box/
It s like 115 Euros as price.
« Last Edit: November 01, 2011, 09:15:15 pm by Vezina »
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Re: AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE
« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2011, 09:09:43 am »
Ok, 960T is now in my hands!  :)

Suddenly a store said its available and cpu came to me the next morning.

The X3 720  has wei 6.8 and if I o/c to 3.6GHz goes to 7.0
I dont know if vga affects wei, my vga is average.   

Between Greece and Romania is Bulgaria. But why did you think I may have a relative there?

Now tell me which tests do you want me to do. Should be something that doesnt affect from vga, as pcmark05 does.

Two more question about 960T's cache, I thought it was 8MB but here-->
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-Phenom%20II%20X4%20960T%20Black%20Edition%20-%20HD96ZTWFK4DGR.html
says 6MB. And whats that "turbo frequency 3,4" ?
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Re: AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE
« Reply #39 on: November 02, 2011, 09:25:52 am »
The graphics (VGA) forms part of the testing for the Windows Experience Index and so if you have a brilliant machine but a crappy grapohics card then the score will be low as it is all reliant on the lowest score.
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Re: AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE
« Reply #40 on: November 02, 2011, 09:54:35 am »
Hi Agros,

There is a total Cache of 8Mb on the CPU but  it is made up by adding the L1, L2 and L3 caches together.

The trubo Core Speed is the speed the CPU will reach when it is under full load using automatic settings. It reaches this by shutting down cores and boosting the frequency of the others as the workload on the CPU demands. If you plan on O/C'ing the processor this feature becomes redundant as you really need to disable Turbo Core to get the most from the CPU.
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Re: AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE
« Reply #41 on: November 02, 2011, 10:44:41 am »
The graphics (VGA) forms part of the testing for the Windows Experience Index and so if you have a brilliant machine but a crappy grapohics card then the score will be low as it is all reliant on the lowest score.
Of course I know that the wei base score depens on the lower score (thats 6.8 for my vga, I also have 7.5 ram and 7.8 hd), but we were talking about cpu score only.
The question is--> A cpu with 5450 and the same cpu with 6990 will have the same wei score?

There is a total Cache of 8Mb on the CPU but  it is made up by adding the L1, L2 and L3 caches together.
So the cache difference between 960T / 720 is just 578kb?

The trubo Core Speed is the speed the CPU will reach when it is under full load using automatic settings. It reaches this by shutting down cores and boosting the frequency of the others as the workload on the CPU demands. If you plan on O/C'ing the processor this feature becomes redundant as you really need to disable Turbo Core to get the most from the CPU.
If I use less than 4 cores, then I ll have an auto boost from 3 to 3.4GHz, right?
Then I guess I ll have 3.4 almost all the time since usually I dont use programs which require 4 cores.

I was planing to o/c 960T as much as it takes for default volts. But whats  best, do this or just use the turbo boost?

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Re: AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE
« Reply #42 on: November 02, 2011, 11:13:21 am »
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So the cache difference between 960T / 720 is just 578kb?
Yes. The X3 720 and the X4 960T are basically the same processor. The difference is that the 720 had one of the cores disabled because it failed the Quality Control tests during production. This will also disable the L1 and L2 cache on the 720 hence the slight difference in total.

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If I use less than 4 cores, then I ll have an auto boost from 3 to 3.4GHz, right?
This is done automatically with default settings and the user has no control over this but the answer is no. The CPU will throttle up and down as the system requires. If you are not using the PC much it might drop the CPU speed down to 800MHz then, when you start stressing the CPU by playing a game for example, the the speed will ramp up and will peak at 3.6GHz but this may be achieved by two of the cores having their speed dropped. It's a bit more complicated than that but I hope you can understand the basic idea.

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I was planing to o/c 960T as much as it takes for default volts. But whats  best, do this or just use the turbo boost?
Only you can decide what is best for your needs but, as another example, I have a 1090T which has a base speed of 3.2GHz with Turbo Boost up to 3.6GHz. I have disabled the Turbo Core feature and have my processor running at 3.8GHz across all 6 cores at 1.425V with CPU temps around 30C with a Noctua NH-D14 cooler and ambient room temps about 20C. This suits my needs and the processor will run at higher speeds if I wish to O/C it further, but I settled on this as the best compromise between core speed and the heat being produced by the processor.
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Re: AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE
« Reply #43 on: November 02, 2011, 12:01:04 pm »
Yes. The X3 720 and the X4 960T are basically the same processor. The difference is that the 720 had one of the cores disabled because it failed the Quality Control tests during production. This will also disable the L1 and L2 cache on the 720 hence the slight difference in total.
In the same way, 960T is an X6 cpu with 2 cores disabled because they failed the Quality Control tests?...
If the 4th core of 720 was failed then how some users unlocked it? I think that they disable cores in order to make many and different models and prices.

You also tell me that L1 &  L2 caches of 720 are disabled?

This is done automatically with default settings and the user has no control over this but the answer is no. The CPU will throttle up and down as the system requires. If you are not using the PC much it might drop the CPU speed down to 800MHz then, when you start stressing the CPU by playing a game for example, the the speed will ramp up and will peak at 3.6GHz but this may be achieved by two of the cores having their speed dropped. It's a bit more complicated than that but I hope you can understand the basic idea.
Not much clear, I m afraid. You described the cool & quiet function but with a top 3,4GHz instead of 3.
That "no" you said answers to what exactly?

Only you can decide what is best for your needs but, as another example, I have a 1090T which has a base speed of 3.2GHz with Turbo Boost up to 3.6GHz. I have disabled the Turbo Core feature and have my processor running at 3.8GHz across all 6 cores at 1.425V with CPU temps around 30C with a Noctua NH-D14 cooler and ambient room temps about 20C. This suits my needs and the processor will run at higher speeds if I wish to O/C it further, but I settled on this as the best compromise between core speed and the heat being produced by the processor.
And why do you have 6 cores x 3.8GHz at 1.42V all the time?
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Re: AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE
« Reply #44 on: November 02, 2011, 01:28:27 pm »
OK

An  X3 CPU is basically an X4 with one part of the processor disabled, which is why some can be unlocked. Why the cores are disabled is more often due to a core failure during production and testing although in the early days, some were locked off for marketing purposes. Disabling the Core also disables the L1 & L2 Cache of that core. If you want to understand this more in more detail it would be better to check out Wikipedia or AMD's website.

Cool 'n' Quiet and Turbo Core are features of the processors Where Cool 'n' Quiet throttles the processor down, Turbo Core boosts the frequency of the CPU when it is being used. How the Turbo Core works is dependant on the type of work the processor is doing.
I was saying no to your interpretation of what happens with Turbo Core, as the increase in CPU Core speed is often accompanied by some of the cores being throttled back, so not all 4 cores are running at the Turbo speed. You could find that only one or two cores are running at the higher speed but once again, this is not always the case and sometimes all 4 cores will be running at the higher speed.

The reason I have my CPU running at 3.8GHz with the Voltage at 1.425 is because, on my system, it is stable. I am running the GA-990FXA-UD5 motherboard and CPU voltage is handled differently to that on the AM3 motherboards.. When the CPU is put under load the CPU Voltage is pulled down (Vdrop) and setting the voltage at this level allows for the voltage drop when under load which means, when my processor is working at 100% the voltage drops down to about 1.36V to protect the CPU. If I bring the starting Voltage any lower than 1.425V then the system will fall over and BSOD because of the lack of power to the CPU when it is under load.
Remember, when all else fails a cup of tea and a good swear will often help! It won't solve the problem but it will make you feel better.