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AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE

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Re: AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE
« Reply #45 on: November 02, 2011, 08:32:42 pm »
An  X3 CPU is basically an X4 with one part of the processor disabled, which is why some can be unlocked. Why the cores are disabled is more often due to a core failure during production and testing although in the early days, some were locked off for marketing purposes.
I guess that they r all for "marketing purposes". How else hey would had models with 2, 3, 4, 6 cores? (maybe we ll soon have X6 models=a X8 cpu with 2 locked cores). Or the models that cant be unlocked means that they was from some "failure"?

Cool 'n' Quiet and Turbo Core are features of the processors Where Cool 'n' Quiet throttles the processor down, Turbo Core boosts the frequency of the CPU when it is being used. How the Turbo Core works is dependant on the type of work the processor is doing.
I was saying no to your interpretation of what happens with Turbo Core, as the increase in CPU Core speed is often accompanied by some of the cores being throttled back, so not all 4 cores are running at the Turbo speed. You could find that only one or two cores are running at the higher speed but once again, this is not always the case and sometimes all 4 cores will be running at the higher speed.
I didnt say that all 4 cores run at the turbo speed.  I said "If I use less than 4 cores, then I ll have an auto boost(for the used cores) from 3 to 3.4GHz, right?" Is this correct?

The reason I have my CPU running at 3.8GHz with the Voltage at 1.425 is because, on my system, it is stable..
Yes I understood that its stable but the question is, why to have it in this condition when u r idle(I guess u r idle the most of the time). I can also make 720 to be stable at 3.6GHz but I only do that when theres a reason.
« Last Edit: November 02, 2011, 08:35:25 pm by agros »
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Re: AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE
« Reply #46 on: November 03, 2011, 07:05:15 am »
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Yes I understood that its stable but the question is, why to have it in this condition when u r idle(I guess u r idle the most of the time). I can also make 720 to be stable at 3.6GHz but I only do that when theres a reason.
When I do any overclocking I disable all of the CPU's energy saving features as these can lead to problems in getting the CPU to work properly at the higher speed. My PC tends to get a fair amount of use during the day with things like video or audio rendering running in the background while I do something in Photoshop or other programmes.

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I didnt say that all 4 cores run at the turbo speed.  I said "If I use less than 4 cores, then I ll have an auto boost(for the used cores) from 3 to 3.4GHz, right?" Is this correct?
I think we are talking at cross purposes here. If you install the CPU and leave everything at their default settings in BIOS the CPU will throttle down when idle and when under load the Turbo Core will kick in and give you the extra speed as needed. It does this by boosting the power to the cores. Sometimes all 4 cores will receive the boost but, often only a couple of the cores are boosted and the others are dropped back however when this happens the user doesn't usually notice it unless they are using monitoring software.
Remember, when all else fails a cup of tea and a good swear will often help! It won't solve the problem but it will make you feel better.

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Re: AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE
« Reply #47 on: November 03, 2011, 07:40:11 pm »
Ok, seems its better to leave this turbo boost since it will automatically boost whenever needs. Maybe we ll talk about this again later

meanwhile,
I m about to install my new 960T, but before I remove 720 and the heavy heatsink I d like to make some benches so that I ll do them again with the new cpu and so I ll check how much better is the new comparing to old. Which programs do u suggest me to use? I have wei and pcmark05, what else could I use?
« Last Edit: November 03, 2011, 07:40:44 pm by agros »
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Re: AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE
« Reply #48 on: November 03, 2011, 08:44:27 pm »
hello,
u can use 3dmark 06 and vintage or cpumark to bench it :)
u can test unlocking and overclocking
i'm looking for this cpu too
« Last Edit: November 03, 2011, 08:45:39 pm by dartuil »
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Re: AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE
« Reply #49 on: November 04, 2011, 08:41:16 am »
I already use 3dmark06 but this is for vga(I have about 12000 points for 720 2.80GHz+9800green).
You suggest me to use the programs "vintage" and "cpumark" ? Shall I find them via google?
Lets dont mess with unlock/overclock by this time.
What wei score(cpu score) do u have with athlon x3 425?
« Last Edit: November 04, 2011, 08:42:24 am by agros »
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Re: AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE
« Reply #50 on: November 04, 2011, 07:03:51 pm »
yes u can find on google :)
i get 374 on cpumark didnt try vintage yet
u can also try cinebench r11 or 3ds max 2011 :)
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Re: AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE
« Reply #51 on: November 06, 2011, 09:14:57 am »
I installed 960T 3.0GHz, here are some benches

wei............ 7,3       (720 2.80GHz had 6.8 )
cpu2.2........ 39.58   (720 had 47,82 - less is better)

pcmark05.... cpu score 9861
                   memory score 6416
                    graphics score  12476    

3dmark06.... general  12314
                    sm2.0   5713
                    hdr/sm3.0  4912
                    CPU score  4356

Theres a voltge query, with 720 I had 1.1-1.3V, now I see 1.3-1.5.... suppose 960T works also at 1.0V, why doesnt go <1.3?
« Last Edit: November 06, 2011, 09:16:14 am by agros »
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Re: AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE
« Reply #52 on: November 07, 2011, 04:15:13 pm »
sorry cant help with voltage
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Re: AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE
« Reply #53 on: November 08, 2011, 09:04:11 am »
What are the voltages and the numbers of your athlon?
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Re: AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE
« Reply #54 on: November 09, 2011, 07:36:26 am »
I found out why voltage is high, the default is higher than 720's (1.45V or so, cant remember exactly, I m in another pc now)

I have another good question :), I increased the clock frequency from 3.0 to 3.4GHz and  was stable.
When this works, the turbo boost 3,4GHz is auto disabled?
What is better to choose, o/c 3.4 or turbo boost?
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Re: AMD Phenom II x4 960T BE
« Reply #55 on: November 22, 2011, 03:12:37 am »
i think when u oc turbo will not be 3.5ghz maybe more
max voltage is 1.5 if i remember well :)
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