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Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2010, 01:39:23 pm »
Yes I would agree and it also depends on what software, games etc you are expecting to be running and the platform (Intel or AMD) that you are using.
Gigabyte X58A-UD7
i7 920
Dominators 1600 x6 12GB
6970 2GB
HX850
256GB SSD, Sam 1TB, WDB320GB
Blu-Ray
HAF 932

Gigabyte Z68X-UD5-B3
i7 3770K
Vengeance 1600 16GB
6950 2GB
HCP1200W
Revo Drive x2, 1.5TB WDB RAID0
16x DLRW
StrikeX S7
Full water cooling
3 x 27" Iiy

Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2010, 02:01:53 pm »
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(if a mother boards details state, memory support 1066, 1333, 1600, 1866 ddr3 sdram then I assume only those freq, will work with that motherboard. if it stated 1066, 1333, 1866, then Id assume that only those freq's will work. but my question to the last example, would 1600 work though not listed my manufacturer? if its a speed in between the min and max?) realted, the ud5 detail description of the memory supported skips a few freq... but I hate to assume...

And you would be quite right not to assume that. If you check you will find that 1600 Mhz is missing from quite a few spec sheets now. There have been problems running with it and the memory controllers on the CPU. That isn't to say that it is not possible to run 1600 but try and find a board that states it is compatible. I am running a UD7 with Corsair Dominator 1600 memory and it is rock solid.

Overclocking the motherboard/CPU will invalidate both warranties.

Stock memory speeds are the JEDEC standard ones and anything over them is basically an overclock ( although that won't affect your warranty as far as I know ;))

Memory speed makes little real world difference on the 1366 i7 platform. 1066 is the stock speed for the 1366 i7 platform. The main reason for getting faster memory is it makes overclocking easier. First thing you need to know is how far do you want to go. 4 ghz or below or over 4 ghz. By default if you run a 200 base clock with a 20x multi you will be at 4 ghz and the memory will be running at 1600. By changing the CPU and or ram multipliers you can increase or decrease the speeds of both to some degree if needed. If your not going to exceed 4 ghz there is no need to get ram faster then 1600. If you are going for all you can get then you may want to think about ram faster than 1600.
See this article at Anandtech for more info on memory performance on the i7 platform. http://www.anandtech.com/show/2792

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Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2010, 07:57:54 pm »
Thanks for the replies and help guys. :) 

Ok So it seems I am still confident in getting the x58a-ud5 with 1600 dominator memory modules. I dont need to buy the gt's and can save money here, I see the performance gain is only when extreme overclocking is taking place. And I dont want to overclock anything to the point where Im really risking lifespan of hardware.

I stil lwant 2 gtx 460 stock in sli, but have been thinking on adding a physx card.

Any one have experience with this technology with that motherboard? Id like to run a x16 x16 x4 or x8 for physx. if possible.

I will be playing games like battlefield bc2, bf2142, eve online, crysis, myst/riven/exile, mirrors edge ect...


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Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2010, 08:04:49 pm »
Well I'm glad we haven't put you off  ;)
Th1600 Doms should be fine and I am sure you will find them more than enough for your requirements. I reckon the physx card will make a difference in the games you are playing and the GPUs should work well together.
Gigabyte X58A-UD7
i7 920
Dominators 1600 x6 12GB
6970 2GB
HX850
256GB SSD, Sam 1TB, WDB320GB
Blu-Ray
HAF 932

Gigabyte Z68X-UD5-B3
i7 3770K
Vengeance 1600 16GB
6950 2GB
HCP1200W
Revo Drive x2, 1.5TB WDB RAID0
16x DLRW
StrikeX S7
Full water cooling
3 x 27" Iiy

Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2010, 02:20:35 am »
Do you need a monitor? 'cause I can help you there. I know quiet a bit about computer monitor. And I will be happy to explain you this complex topic very simply.

Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
« Reply #35 on: October 05, 2010, 04:14:19 pm »
Well, we do have a 26 inch 1920x1200 lcd monitor already but tbh wed like to get a second and Id like to get a third. A three monitor setup is my ultimate desire running from two cards, and a physx. I do not know anything about how this can be achieved so If you have any tips or info or resources to share, thatd be great :)

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Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
« Reply #36 on: October 05, 2010, 04:28:43 pm »
If you want true eyefinity(surround view) you need to use ATI cards.
Gigabyte X58A-UD7
i7 920
Dominators 1600 x6 12GB
6970 2GB
HX850
256GB SSD, Sam 1TB, WDB320GB
Blu-Ray
HAF 932

Gigabyte Z68X-UD5-B3
i7 3770K
Vengeance 1600 16GB
6950 2GB
HCP1200W
Revo Drive x2, 1.5TB WDB RAID0
16x DLRW
StrikeX S7
Full water cooling
3 x 27" Iiy

Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2010, 11:31:34 pm »
Well, we do have a 26 inch 1920x1200 lcd monitor already but tbh wed like to get a second and Id like to get a third. A three monitor setup is my ultimate desire running from two cards, and a physx. I do not know anything about how this can be achieved so If you have any tips or info or resources to share, thatd be great :)

Usually it is said that if you are getting a multiple monitor setup, it's best to get them all together to have:
 - The same revision
 - Coming from the same manufacture facility
 - Same internal components used.

Why?
Because, the back light lamp of the monitor. GE lamp (let's say) is not the same white as some other company lamp's. And a manufacture usually do buisness with several lamp manufacture to always ensure they have a continuous supply. Well the back light lamp of an LCD monitor is one of the things. A new revision of the monitor could mean the panel is different or different grade of the LCD liquid was used. Which can result in not the same colors. which is fine thing for an individual monitor, but when you have 2 or 3 next to each other.. you notice that your white is not the same on all other monitors. This is important for those who cares about colors. If you don't, then you have nothing to worry about.


Anyway, for your multiple display setup, you have different options.
 - You can get an ATi/AMD Radeon 5000 series which has multiple outputs.
 - You can get 2 graphic cards on the same system, allowing you to support 2 monitors (or in the case of the Nvida GTX 400 series, 3 monitors). Obviously more graphic cards, means more displays.
 - Get a specialized card with multiple outputs like select Quadro's or Matrox (yea, they still exist) cards. Although these are usually uber expensive or provide very low performance, as they are not designed to be gaming graphic cards.

It all comes down to: what do you do, what do you expect, and do you game or not. Oh and budget.
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Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2010, 09:21:19 am »
[It all comes down to: what do you do, what do you expect, and do you game or not. Oh and budget.

It always comes down to budget!  :'( :'( :'(
Gigabyte X58A-UD7
i7 920
Dominators 1600 x6 12GB
6970 2GB
HX850
256GB SSD, Sam 1TB, WDB320GB
Blu-Ray
HAF 932

Gigabyte Z68X-UD5-B3
i7 3770K
Vengeance 1600 16GB
6950 2GB
HCP1200W
Revo Drive x2, 1.5TB WDB RAID0
16x DLRW
StrikeX S7
Full water cooling
3 x 27" Iiy

Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2010, 05:25:03 pm »
I can spend as much of 2 grand if I want, But Id like to get some games too, and a comfy chair, new production monitors, another lcd monitor ect.

It seems I am forced to jump off the gtx460. I would be restricted in the future if I wanted to add a third card. I have to jump up to the 465 for 3 way sli. Im not sure what to do here. I was looking at 2x5770's tbh originally, and then jumped to the gtx460

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102858

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150497 this is a 2.1 x 16 lane. what is the difference from 2.0 pci-e?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129141&cm_re=5850-_-14-129-141-_-Product
« Last Edit: October 08, 2010, 05:45:34 pm by whenyournex2me »

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Re: First time builder, Build @ x58a-ud5
« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2010, 05:43:20 pm »
TBH the 5770 would be a letdown for you compared to the 256 bit cards. You really need to look at the 5850 for power performance.
Gigabyte X58A-UD7
i7 920
Dominators 1600 x6 12GB
6970 2GB
HX850
256GB SSD, Sam 1TB, WDB320GB
Blu-Ray
HAF 932

Gigabyte Z68X-UD5-B3
i7 3770K
Vengeance 1600 16GB
6950 2GB
HCP1200W
Revo Drive x2, 1.5TB WDB RAID0
16x DLRW
StrikeX S7
Full water cooling
3 x 27" Iiy