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UD9 + oversized CPU coolers + Tall ram heatspreaders is it possible?

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Re: UD9 + oversized CPU coolers + Tall ram heatspreaders is it possible?
« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2010, 08:57:37 pm »
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Do you have any thoughts on how a 2.8 GHZ six core CPU might compare to a 3.3 GHZ six core CPU if they are both overclocked? Do low MHZ CPU's overclock better then high MHZ CPU's? Also my brother mentioned that overclocking a CPU will reduce its lifespan is that true?
Overclocking is always a bit hit and miss and no two chips will clock the same so it is very difficult to say how a chip will react. In genreal though the higher mhz chips are cherry picked as being the best of the bunch and so you would expect to get a better overclock than on a lower speed chip. Any overclocking will inevitably decrerase the lifespan of the chip. This is mainly due to the extra heat generated by the increased voltages needed to get a stable overclock.
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You pretty much have me sold on the other case and going with water cooling. I'd like to order the case and start working out the details with the fans and cooling now so that I will be ready when I decide on the MOBO and CPU. There are two configurations that I am looking it one has triple quad fans on the top and sides and the other has a window on the left side and triple quads on the top and side. Which one should would you recommend?
First you must decide on whether you want to be able to show off the insides of your build. Personally I like to make it all neat and tidy and have ultra violet lighing etc but of course this is not to everyone's taste. Obviously if you want  to see the insides you need to accomodate some windows. The thing to consider about fans is they are noisy, even though you can try and reduce it by the type of fans you use the more fans the more noise. Realistically I would say you would need about 8 for two quad radiators and maybe a couple more for airflow through the case. This is based on what we have discussed already. If you go for a much more heat intensive system then we would have to revise the spec. The actual layout of the case depends more or less on your preferences within reason. Let me have any other questions that I haven't covered.
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Re: UD9 + oversized CPU coolers + Tall ram heatspreaders is it possible?
« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2010, 03:19:26 am »
Which case and fan configuration do you recommend? I'm thinking about running two processor on two loops.

A horizontal configuration sounds nice as there is less stress for the mother board... The U2UFO extended seems to only have triple-quad or zero fan options for the top and side. I do like the idea of air being pushed directly into the 12 DIMM slots and around the Revodrive.

As I understand it I should put filters on all of the fan slots. Which fans and filters do you recommend.

What water block should I look at to cool the nVidia 465's and the SR-2 motherboard? Maybe it would be better to look for video cards that are already set up for water cooling?

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Re: UD9 + oversized CPU coolers + Tall ram heatspreaders is it possible?
« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2010, 07:50:21 am »
The case configuration depends on your personal choice, where it is going to be situated (you don't want four fans blowing on your leg all day) and what components it must accommodate. Also if you are planning to have a window(or two) it is no good them being against the wall. So think about the siting of the case. Personally I like the sound of the top one better but as I said that is personal.
I use a fine wire mesh fan filter that just screws onto the outside of the fan housing when you install it. It all depends on what you can get locally. The fans I would tend to recommend are the Scythe Gentle Typhoons 1450rpm. They shift plenty of air while being quiet.
For water blocks get the EK full board water blocks. They are more efficient easier to install and less likely to have problems with. I don't think you will find any graphics cards already fitted with blocks.
I have used this company for a lot of my liquid cooling parts. They are not in the US yet but I am sure they would ship if you needed them to.
https://www.aquatuning.co.uk/index.php/XTCsid/j1828s6ev57adva8v1nn0t2vvacjbstj
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Re: UD9 + oversized CPU coolers + Tall ram heatspreaders is it possible?
« Reply #33 on: August 08, 2010, 06:49:49 pm »
Earlier you mentioned phase change technology

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Someone mentioned Phase change cooling to me but it seems risky due to condensation issues. Plus it sounds louder to me. What is your opinion?

 but I am afraid I forgot to answer it. Do not even consider it. Apart from needing to be a real enthusiast to install and keep running it has all the sorts of inherent problems that come with below ambient cooling systems. Insulation and condensation being the first two off the top of my head. It is a brilliant system if you really want to push the limits of a overclocked computer as it tends to run at approximately minus 60 degrees. No good though for day to day computing where you want a nice stable system for 24/7.
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Re: UD9 + oversized CPU coolers + Tall ram heatspreaders is it possible?
« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2010, 08:14:12 pm »
...Thats what I thought (regarding phase change).

What about SDD's in raid? How well will the motherboard work in raid? I have looked at various raid cards but they seem to be limited at 700-500 MBPS. If I use the motherboards raid options could I break that limit? How much would a motherboard based raid take away from other types of system performance. I heard that dedicated raid cards were better due to no requiring extra resources. I am aiming for ~1000MBPS in raid 0.

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Re: UD9 + oversized CPU coolers + Tall ram heatspreaders is it possible?
« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2010, 08:34:20 pm »
Me too ;D
No seriously I bought my board X58A-UD7 expecting great things from my SATA3 and RAID0 configuration but I 'm afraid it was a big let down. They sell it as 4x the speed of ordinary SATA2 but in no way did it live up to expectations. In fact the Intel ICH10 controller which is only SATA2 outperformed the Marvell 9128 SATA3 controller. I am hoping that a firmware update will fix this anomaly but we will have to wait and see. They have certainly dragged their heels over it so far which makes me even more concerned in case it's a hardware problem. Anyway I take it that you are asking regarding the UD9 board. If that is right then you will be up against the same problem at the moment as it uses the same chip. The SSDs in a RAID0 formation should work well if my single SSD is anything to go by. Mine is only SATA2 but the newer ones are by all accounts very fast. I don't have any numbers I'm afraid but I am sure that a bit of googling can get you them. The Crucial SATA3 C300 have just dropped in price quite dramatically by roughly 35%. I don't think that in normal circumstances a dedicated RAID card would make a substantial difference but bearing in mind what I have been explaining about the Marvell let down it might be a good investment.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2010, 08:36:15 pm by Dark Mantis »
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Re: UD9 + oversized CPU coolers + Tall ram heatspreaders is it possible?
« Reply #36 on: August 09, 2010, 12:52:21 am »
What is your opinion on CPU lapping? Not worth the risks?

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Re: UD9 + oversized CPU coolers + Tall ram heatspreaders is it possible?
« Reply #37 on: August 09, 2010, 08:21:21 am »
In my opinion it is going a little over the top. CPUs are pretty flat on the surface anyway and with a bit of thermal compound it would make very little difference. It is competition stuff when you are trying to squeeze the last little mhz out of the system.
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Re: UD9 + oversized CPU coolers + Tall ram heatspreaders is it possible?
« Reply #38 on: August 09, 2010, 09:10:28 pm »
Yeah the 980x arrived today and it looks flat through to box. I still haven't decided if I should send it back and wait for the 990x or go for the duel processors so I didn't open the box.

As I understand it some CPU's preform better or have a flatter top. How would a cpu test mine to find out if it is a good sample or should be RMAed?

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Re: UD9 + oversized CPU coolers + Tall ram heatspreaders is it possible?
« Reply #39 on: August 09, 2010, 10:10:27 pm »

As I understand it some CPU's preform better or have a flatter top. How would a cpu test mine to find out if it is a good sample or should be RMAed?

Sorry I didn't understand the question. Do you have a reason for thinking there might be something wrong with the processor?
Gigabyte X58A-UD7
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HCP1200W
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Re: UD9 + oversized CPU coolers + Tall ram heatspreaders is it possible?
« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2010, 12:17:23 am »
No, I just thought there might be something to look for to make sure I got a keeper. I don't know how much about the manufacturing process and the level of variances there are cpu to cpu... I guess I should just keep an eye out to make sure the core temperatures are close to each other?

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Re: UD9 + oversized CPU coolers + Tall ram heatspreaders is it possible?
« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2010, 12:33:07 am »
Yes that is a good indication of quality but most of the high end chips are good quality anyway. They are hand picked for the best out of the wafers.
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i7 3770K
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6950 2GB
HCP1200W
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StrikeX S7
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Re: UD9 + oversized CPU coolers + Tall ram heatspreaders is it possible?
« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2010, 01:36:08 am »
Wasn't sure if I should start a new thread so I'm posting this here:

I'm trying to figure this out.... So there are three hard drive controllers on the UD9. Can any of them break the speed of a Revodrive with 4 combined SSDs in raid 0? I was looking at raid cards and it looks like they are limited to 70,000 IOPS and 400-600 MBPS. I am hoping to break 75,000 IOPS and 750-1000MBPS.

Also I don't know much about SSD's. I saw the term TRIM on a few threads, after consulting Wikipedia I learned that it has to do with maintenance and sustaining performance.... Seems important an important feature to have.

 So basically I want to know:

* What drive controller would give me the fastest performance when doing raid 0 and about how fast would that be?  

* What is the fastest raid option (card or onboard) for the GA-X58A-UD9 and how fast would that be? (Sustained/Random Read/Write + IOPS)

Also if there is another forum that you think would better be able to answer this question then point me to it.

Re: UD9 + oversized CPU coolers + Tall ram heatspreaders is it possible?
« Reply #43 on: August 10, 2010, 01:59:43 am »
Here is a layout of the room (to help with case plans).

The large red input devices will be powered by three separate "legacy" computers. I'm thinking I'll put one computer under the L-desk, toward the bottom of the layout while the other two (mac G4's) should fit on the other desk to the left of my special 30" color reference monitor (a Lacie 730, ~130% NTSC gamut).

So the best space I see for the big mod mountain case would be in the corner section of the L-desk or underneath portion that is at the bottom of the layout page.
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Re: UD9 + oversized CPU coolers + Tall ram heatspreaders is it possible?
« Reply #44 on: August 10, 2010, 02:13:34 am »
Basically I'm trying to figure out what the optimal set up would be in terms of performance. If I had a horizontal setup and had a window on top then how would I be sure that my ram has optimal cooling? I don't think water cooling the Ram is an option as it will void the warranty if I remove the stock heatsink. I could send the ram back and look at something like the Hyperx H20. The reason why I was looking at the top triple was too keep the ram and miscellaneous parts cool. If I went that route there would be the option of using low ~600 RPM fans, no? Besides not having a big window to show off the system what would be the disadvantages of a second triple quad on the top?

Can I overclock the Ram to get a higher speeds or lower latencies?

I'm thinking I'm going to stick with the 980x for this build but I might upgrade to a duel Xeon in Q3 of 2011 when they have 8-core set ups with a 50 GBPS QPI. At that point of time I might add a second loop for the second processor.

What is the best fan controller out there? I like the idea of something that would lower the RPMs of the fans when under low loads, and I want plenty of safety alarms.

I would need a pump too. Besides that what else? Flow meters and temp probs?